Maybe Don't Do This? (Mic the Vegan Dismisses Ex-Vegan Megan Moon)

[@PumpkinMozie]

Thanks for standing up for Megan...this dude seems totally tone deaf to her situation. At least she’s attempting to keep her animal consumption down. He should focus on people who are actually over-consuming and being irresponsible about their diet. He also clearly has no idea how food works in South Korea. Which is fine, but he shouldn’t be acting as if he knows what he’s talking about when he clearly doesn’t. Honestly it’s hard enough to be vegetarian here, let alone vegan. I’m actually amazed that she pulled it off at all. Vegan alternatives (except tofu and soy milk) are not sold here unless you want to pay out the ass to order them online and have them shipped from the other side of the world (bad for sustainability). Veganism is just not a thing here.

[@earth355]

He belongs to vegan-science religion

[@angelalee7012]

Yes! Food in South Korea is a Whole Thing. There's the limit access to vegan or vegetarian options and then the whole family/social/cultural issues around food. The fact that she kept it up for so long is commendable.

[@amandalima9176]

One quick research about veganism in South Korea, and you can see that. I want to study abroad, and have been deeply researching about it. It's hard to find vegan places, informations, even vegans themselves.

[@XxEvilTiggerxX]

Oh yeah, let me just sit here and avoid potential heart disease in 30 years while my intestines are bleeding NOW. In what world is this man living. Idk who Megan is or her background in veganism/reasons she went vegan, but she seems nice and like she is trying to keep the animal product intake as low as she can without harming herself while her health improves. I still can't get over the fact that his reaction to someone saying blood was pooling in their abdomen was "have you tried protein powder in pancakes and eating amaranth??"

[@hollygolightly1750]

These cult-like vegans are quite full of themselves! You could literally be on your death bed and they’d hate on you for eating an egg 😂 ridiculous

[@Justheartoobserve]

Megan is my favorite KZbinr in South Korea. Been watching her for 5 years. She is a very nice person who loved eating vegan and improving her health. She is always talking about health and showing vegan restaurants and dishes in South Korea. I feel like people who are saying bad things about this haven't watched any of her videos and don't care that she was in so much pain. This dude is talking out of his a##. I hate vegans who are always putting others down for not living their lifestyle or quit being vegan. It's like pushing your religion on others.

[@GCT1990]

Wait... Avoid Heart disease, are you trying to say that by eating animal based products you have a increase in heart disease? Because there's literally not one medical entry which concludes that argument. In 60 years Si Ce that myth was introduced by certain companies who paid to advertise like they do, there's never been a study which backs that claim besides epidemiological papers which haha, if you believe epidemiogical findings... I really don't know what to say

[@eunicer4107]

100% agree with you

[@zaya5629]

@@GCT1990 High cholesterol and saturated fatty acids found in animal-based products are known to increase the risks of cardiovascular diseases and type-2 diabetes. That's not even controversial in this day and age. Also, go read the scientific papers titled "Plant‐Based Diets Are Associated With a Lower Risk of Incident Cardiovascular Disease, Cardiovascular Disease Mortality, and All‐Cause Mortality in a General Population of Middle‐Aged Adults" and "A Systematic Review of the Association Between Vegan Diets and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease".

[@iseenargles13]

I’ve watched her channel for years and she’s been vegan for over 5 years. She clearly didn’t want to stop being vegan, but when your stomach is literally full of blood, I think you’re going to do whatever it takes to feel better. And she’s trying to still be as ethical as possible. It’s so rude for him to insinuate she’s not trying hard enough.

[@PinkSparklerToontown]

imagine judging someone when their stomach is FULL OF BLOOD, ffss

[@julieannelovesbooks]

Exactly! He’s so chill about literally her abdomen filling up with blood. Like, ‘you’re eating eggs now so you’re at a higher risk for heart disease’. Dude!!! She’s would’ve had much bigger problems if she’d gone into the doctors much later and had to have surgery. If eating vegan damages her body that much it can’t be worth it and I can’t understand how his skull is too thick to even see that.

[@bigbaldin]

You guys should watch his full video before you make stupid comments like this :) and on the other hand, he made this video without much emotion, he didn't mean to blame anyone nor did he want to tell her how she should have reacted. It doesn't mean that he doesn't care, learn the difference

[@scamdem1c]

@@bigbaldin well he doesnt care and thats the truth. mic hates former vegans. that guy has a nasty attitude. there are alot of vegans who dont like him because of his extreme vegan bias and sheer hatred for meat eaters. mic is also known for outright lying and misrepresenting facts. hes one of the worst plant based personalities on youtube.

[@bigbaldin]

@@scamdem1c nope. That's not true. He doesn't hate former vegans. He just doesn't like it when former vegans give absurd reasons for their change. Mic is pretty good in explaining his opinion and he makes differentiated statements that are not hateful. So please stop spreading that he is just hateful towards former vegans, that's just nonsense

[@scamdem1c]

@@bigbaldin you see the passive aggressive attitude he has towards former vegans, and even current vegans who dont share his views. hes been interviewed a few times by other vegans too. unedited. he doesnt even hide his condescending demeanour towards former vegans, or other peopIe in general. hes crazy. either a psychopath or just nutritionally deficient above the shoulders. also look at his physique. hes got the physique of someone clearly deficient in alot of ways. yet he has the audacity to lecture others about diet.. someone was literally bleeding their intestines out. and mic, as always, acts like a know it all. im not spreading that he is hateful towards former vegans. its mic himself who openly acts that way. btw, this isnt the first time mic went around bashing(and claiming hes not) on former vegans. hes done this so many times already. maybe just to get attention? what a horrible guy

[@kangaroomommy4457]

I'm curious if her gastroenterologist told her not to reintroduce certain trigger foods because of the severity of her reactions. Blood pooling in your abdomen is pretty effing serious.

[@livyann2143]

YES! Its not just some diarrhea or abdominal pain (which are just as valid reasons to change your diet) its literally BLEEDING from her intestines. I would personally tell her- "do your best and take care of yourself first". Like honestly... if my doctor told me my intestines were bleeding because of being vegan, there would be no question on if I would introduce the minimum amount of animal products that I need. Turns out Im one of the people whos GI system HATES animal products luckily, but if roles were reversrd I would be horrified at people criticizing me for trying to stop my intestines bleeding! As someone whos struggled since birth with severe GI issues and has a feeding tube, I know how horrible GI issues are. It completely controls your life and ruins your relationship with food! Its really hurtful to hear people dismiss and judge people for doing what they need to do in regards to GI issues. I hate that it comes just as much from vegans as carnivores and those who follow paleo or whatever. More love, less judgement.

[@Rivracost3]

@@livyann2143 when he said IBS doesn't kill, heart disease kills, I was shocked. Like she had blood pooling in her abdomen from her IBS and she doesn't have any heart disease issues so that doesn't even make any sense. She is obviously in far greater danger from her IBS than heart disease.

[@scarlet8078]

Good point. We see patients pass on due to similar conditions. Note that this is an inflammatory condition and any allergy like this can become fatal. Furthermore, each time the intestines are becoming so inflamed that there is bleeding, an infection may result and lead to hospitalization. This is no joke, and the likelihood of this otherwise healthy young woman passing as a result of hypothetical future heart disease (which has not been diagnosed) is much lower than of her DIAGNOSED inflammatory condition

[@polyanthesis]

This sounds like Crohn's, not IBS

[@ksmspeace]

@@Rivracost3 specifically he said heart disease "is the number one killer" and IBS isn't - which is accurate but it shows I think even more starkly the problem with his approach. Heart disease is the most prevalent killer in the whole population, but THIS INDIVIDUAL is clearly at a higher risk of disability and maybe even death from IBS, and is ALREADY suffering reduced quality of life. So like, go ahead and recommend your heart healthy stuff to the general population, but maybe if you're addressing a specific individual you should give their current severe problems a bit higher priority than far-future mortality risks.

[@JennRighter]

Wtf is she supposed to do in that circumstance? I really don’t understand why people hone in and criticize people like Megan, it’s nasty and mean.

[@lidahall5928]

I mean, yeah. It's very easy to say "They should do better!" when you've never experienced anything remotely similar. Being told you *have* to change your diet by doctors is an extreme example.

[@JennRighter]

@@lidahall5928 he was so weird about it. What he said, how he said it. I don’t watch his channel but I’ve watched a handful of his videos. Not enough of them to truly form any opinion about him, but from what I did see prior this video surprises me. 🤷🏼‍♀️ But again, I don’t know enough about his content.

[@nataliaa.1094]

Totally agree

[@Nayr747]

Because it gives ammunition for anti-vegans to use to say that veganism is harmful. It can be twisted by them to claim that going vegan makes you bleed internally and possibly kill you, which is total bs but stupid people will believe it.

[@forestgreen9002]

@@Nayr747 Just because people will use something as ammunition doesn't make what they're twisting any less valid. We can't do away with the harm someone is experiencing because we fear the ammo it may give others. All we can do is try to anticipate and refute but still be compassionate to those afflicted like Megan.

[@tillydavvers]

I think out of all the 'ex-vegans' Megan is the only one where it actually seems like she still cares about her environmental impact/animal product consumption. She still seems so conscious and not just like 'well I can't be vegan so might as well eat burgers all the time' I truly think that she's doing more to maintain a plant based centric diet than people like Bonnie who justeat chicken everyday now apparantly 🙄

[@earth355]

V vegetable police went vegan again

[@Wooplot]

What i thought too. She isn't just going on the deep-end eating copious amounts of animal products it seems.

[@DoubleTheDom]

She is a nice person for sure!

[@CreativeQueen89]

Nothing wrong with eating chicken

[@tillydavvers]

@@CreativeQueen89 except how 99% of chicken is factory farmed and she claimed she was an ethical vegan - if she was an ethical vegan she wouldn't be ok with eating chicken at practically every meal. So many exvegans just seem to stop caring at all when they have to go back to animal products. Makes it hard to think they ever cared in the first place.

[@HarukaNUsagi]

People like Mic really annoy me.. Megan has been vegan for a long time. She is also an educated woman who speaks three languages who made a life for herself in another country. She knows what she's doing, Mic. I would choose life over bleeding intestines and expensive protein products any day.

[@kaceywaceyy]

omg i watch megan sm and i didnt know she speaks there languages :00 what is the third language?

[@HarukaNUsagi]

@@kaceywaceyy hi there. Spanish is her third language. I believe she learned it in high school from her best friend.

[@kaceywaceyy]

@@HarukaNUsagi woah that so cool, thanks for letting me know :))

[@_kikster]

It's annoying that Megan has had tests done, consulted the results with her doctor and Mic the Vegan basically said that everything she decided to do was wrong and he has a plethora of different options that will definitely work

[@JoJo-dj2zc]

I agree! He honestly sounds like he lives in bubble where his life conditions are the only ones he took into account ( after a 20 min reseach about ibs on wikipedia)

[@ksmspeace]

@@JoJo-dj2zc what annoys me is how he throws up these studies on screen for an air of credibility, and most people not versed enough in the field to question it, but the more you look into it the more you realize he's either not trying in good faith to contextualize them or is quite bad at it. Sometimes he points out a distinction or hole in the research that's actually a rather good insight, but he's the kind of guy who thinks that's what he's doing every time he cherry picks a study and pretends it's representative.

[@jenih8675309]

I lived in S Korea for a few years and I am very impressed that she was able to be vegan there for so long. Pretty much everything has fish sauce or anchovies in it. And yes, imported specialty foods are extremely expensive.

[@kayk6330]

same with Japan. but i think someone making that KZbin money can order from three likes of iherb frequently lol

[@jennoscura2381]

I have been lucky to find vegan kimchee at grocery stores here in the US. Kroger affiliates have it. But the kimchee at the Asian market isn't vegan. I would assume that most of Kimchee sold in South Korea isn't vegan.

[@mikailagray]

@@jennoscura2381 i think she mentioned once that her mother in law makes her vegan kimchi now

[@Trainfeastfast]

I lived in Asia. Easy to be vegan. Her mother in law made her food with ease. This wasn’t a decision based on complication on finding the food.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@jennoscura2381 Me too, I absolutely LOVE vegan kimchi! But in South Korea, one would have to make their own, because it's not well-known or popular there.

[@kawaiigeneral]

Mic is really good at being insufferably smug quite often.

[@maderaverdes]

It might be his only skill...

[@charlie8286]

@Victor Vandolf disliking his videos you are still helping him win money. KZbin monetizes videos with views, not likes or dislikes, just stop whatching his videos

[@rinlila6974]

I mean he compared buying a meat burrito to your brother to buying a slave

[@bigbaldin]

@@rinlila6974 he did not do that and if that's what you've heard, then you should learn to comprehend better

[@bigbaldin]

It might sound so if you're not able to not react emotionally to facts that don't fit into your opinion. I saw quite a lot of his videos and he definitely doesn't fit into your description. How insecure are you, that you throw around this provocative nonsense?

[@myneoangel4299]

I lived in Seoul for over a year.... you’re not going to find Qorn or whatever brand in the store 😂 that’s ridiculous. It truly irks me when people think that everyone has the same access to foods across the world. It’s not true.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Well said! 👍🏽 Whenever I've lived outside the US (like in Guatemala and Tunisia, for instance) I've noticed how much more difficult it is to find vegan food and even vegan food ingredients to make our own. Mic just doesn't realize how much more choices he has. . . Both because of where he lives, and also because he's wealthier than a lot of people are.

[@kenmyvn]

Thank you for considering that she lives in South Korea. They do have a lot of vegan options there, but it’s obviously nowhere near similar in accessibility like it is in the US. I lived in Japan in 2019 and as someone with zero food allergies, it was not the easiest to find ingredients and be vegan. There are opportunities to import online but it’s not sustainable.

[@PumpkinMozie]

Exactly...finding mock meats, let alone completely vegan, is almost impossible in SK

[@MsZeldasaga]

Even vegetable dishes like kimchi aren't vegan. Korean food has animal products in nearly every food they have, even where you least expect it

[@ChaiChabeela]

@@MsZeldasaga yupp. I lived in Korea, am married to a Korean and had to break it to a vegan in America talking about how she loved Kimchi that it was not vegan by default. If it isn't specifically marked as vegan, it has shrimp or fish sauce in it. Korea also throws pork broth and anchovie broth in everything. I once went on a work trip that was basically a seafood eating binge for the higher ups. We went to an oyster restaurant and the "meat free" option was rice and oyster broth. Most of the temple food made for buddhist priests is vegan, though.

[@ChaiChabeela]

@Claire Youmans as an Italian American, the sugared garlic bread hurt me DEEPLY

[@Olivetree80]

@@PumpkinMozie there are vegans in SK though

[@unoriginal1086]

I mean, she didnt exactly fully return to animal products but more just added some. Its MUCH better than the average meat eater and I commend her for oysters and eggs. These are some of the least bad choices (eggs arent great but its better than meat with the right sources.) Edit: Oh I didnt see the salmon but still I really think this is the best she can do right now and theres millions of perfectly able bodied people who chose not to go vegan, even in vegan friendly places (like Portland or Toronto) and she is still trying her best in a not very vegan friendly place with tons of dietary restrictions. Like why grill someone for not being able to be vegan when you could just try to educate those who are choosing to eat meat. But this is just my two cents (not directed at Swayze but at Mic)

[@thatsalt1560]

Exactly!

[@michaelmartin1848]

Also you can tell he doesn’t do any research about these people before he makes videos on them. He didn’t even realize she lived in Korea and speaks Korean. A little more research and she would have realized she is an extremely compassionate person and stopping being 100% was obviously very upsetting to her.

[@beanqueenie_324]

Thank you actually taking into account that she's in a country where things may be impossible to find and/or EXTREMELY expensive.

[@therabbithat]

Expensive? Ohhh... I thought it was Megan markle .... Sorry, bad with faces

[@AimeeColeman]

@@therabbithat You thought prince Harry's wife was a youtuber? 😅

[@SwiftieM]

@@AimeeColeman I laughed too hard at this 😂

[@lavenderteal8485]

@@AimeeColeman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lindavel43]

This! I think if you live in a big city like Seoul or Busan it's a little more convenient to be vegan. But not if you live somewhere else. Also Kimchi has animal products. And many Korean dishes have animal products.

[@korrinmackenzie1566]

I feel so bad for her living is South Korea and not being able to eat soy. That sounds like it would suck!! Tofu/soy is a really popular food with most traditional dishes

[@Rivracost3]

it is SOOOOO freaking hard to have a soy allergy, pretty much all cookies, cake mix, pretzels, mock meats, crackers, some sauces(like any sauce with soybean oil) are all a no go. Not to mention how amazing soy sauce, teriyaki and miso seasoning can be.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I know I'm a year late here, but somehow I missed this video when it dropped; and I just wanted to say -- *_omg YES!_* One of my South Korean friends is allergic to soy, and it was incredibly difficult for her to find and/or make vegan food when she was living in South Korea. Soy is ubiquitous. 😋 She's an American citizen now, and she's vegan (and she makes the most AMAZING vegan kimchi! I think she could sell it if she was an entrepreneurial type of person) and she was impressed Megan was even able to be vegan for five years in South Korea with a soy allergy!

[@samw282]

His dismissal of her immediate symptoms in favor of potentially decreasing risk for heart disease later on shows how little he knows about medicine and how he should not be giving advice. His response is heinous.

[@sashabee57]

literally his whole video is pointless and dangerous

[@sashabee57]

like fr why does this guy act like he knows more than a doctor 🙄

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

@@sashabee57 tbf... Because doctors get basically no training on nutrition/health maintenance

[@Petros_Michalakopoulos]

He is cherry picking everything to fit his narrative

[@springsweettart7421]

It's like he just watched the video and took what he wanted so he can just Google whatever he needs to make an argument to villainize her for being non-vegan.

[@therabbithat]

He's being such a bully 🙁 I blame youtube echo chamber, never makes him look in the mirror. She was bleeding! I'd want to try his suggestions then send him my bloody stool samples to analyse.. research and stuff!

[@catherinecase1142]

I'm glad you're patient enough to address the content of what he says. I just can't get past the smugness.

[@taintmueslix]

I know, right? Unnatural Vagine is the smuggest!

[@Sarah_Grant]

He's such an ass!!

[@luckyloaded]

That’s guy’s whole attitude was SO off putting. I would hate to be in a room with him. But I LOVE Megan. I’ve been watching her channel for years.

[@katieamarsh]

He strikes me as someone who would list all the reasons I should go off my psych meds and just do essential oils and yoga. 🤣

[@maderaverdes]

The smugness oozes out of him similarly to how he probably assumes saturated fat does in non-vegans. :) It's very irritating how he laughs at his own little jokes based on nutrition information he doesn't completely understand, yet thinks he's qualified to talk about so casually to viewers that will take his word at face value. Yeah pretty sure I couldn't be in a room alone with him either!

[@maggiep6605]

I don't think Mic fully appreciates how complicated it can be to figure out IBS triggers. It took years to figure out the effect that my menstrual cycle had and longer to be able to control those symptoms, and my ibs is way more mild than megan's.

[@maderaverdes]

I don't think Mike appreciates many things that are complex since it doesn't warrant making smug youtube videos that will get views and make him look "smart" to a lot of people. Seems to be a theme at least, and unfortunately dismisses people suffering from actual health issues with consequences Mike will likely never understand. Pretty sure this is a form of ableism disguised as "activism" all too common in the vegan YT community.

[@vaguelyvegan7340]

I only figured out this year my menstrual cycle affected my issues, and I haven't quite figured out what to do about it. I can't imagine what bleeding intestines and brick like cramps must feel like. I would be so terrified in her position. It's amazing she didn't dismiss plant based foods entirely.

[@Denidrakes69]

PMS means dermatitis all over my hands. The Mirena meant dermatitis all over my entire body, including my eye lids, and awful digestive issues. Honestly, if doctors spent more time looking at hormones, our lives would be much easier!!

[@zxyatiywariii8]

So many things are affected by our menstrual cycles! It can even affect immunogenicity, when we get a vaccine, where we are in our menstrual cycle. Unfortunately the vast majority of research has originally been done primarily on men, because of the possible risk of teratogenicity if a woman were to get pregnant during the course of the study. I've worked as a MRVS (medical research volunteer subject, "mervs") for years, but it's very hard to find women "guinea pigs" who are of childbearing age but who are also at zero risk of pregnancy (I'm asexual -- I don't want any sex, with anyone, anywhere, anytime, for any reason, ever.) So even nowadays, it's much harder for research studies to find enough women who want to sign up.

[@Katt_Dubbs]

As someone with a PhD in public health, who also has an MPH, and is a vegan - the public health community doesn't claim him. I'm concerned about his future in public health.

[@Mooshroomia]

He shouldn’t even be giving dietary advice as a Public Health expert... he isn’t a dietitian

[@Katt_Dubbs]

​@@Mooshroomia You can specialize in Public Health Nutrition, which would give him * some * credibility, because it is a path some take to become an RD or RDN, but I don't think that's his case. But exactly - he doesn't have the experience nor the qualifications to be giving such advice. (I could write an entire dissertation on why many dietitians aren't even qualified to give dietary advice, but I digress).

[@Mooshroomia]

@@Katt_Dubbs Yes, I’ve thought about going into Public Health Nutrition myself. I’m actually an undergraduate studying to become a Dietitian. Could you expand on why you believe some dietitians aren’t qualified? I’m morbidity curious now

[@maderaverdes]

@@Katt_Dubbs One thing I've noticed in vegan youtubers with advanced degrees is that they seem to talk about scientific articles like they don't know how to critically read them or understand the statistics (or just like understand how statistics work at all). What kind of stats education does one typically get in an MPH program, or some of these nutrition-focused advanced degrees (I'm pretty sure none of the ones I've heard of on YT are PhD level)? Also, I'm getting a PhD in entomology, which might unrelated to public health, yet several people I've worked with in vector research (studying ticks and mosquitoes specifically) have their MPH. And, I mean, of course, they would never deign to give nutrition advice...idk just seems weird that he would flaunt having an MPH like he did without also saying he was doing the nutrition focus, if he actually was (as you pointed out-this seems improbably).

[@samanthab6642]

We need more comments like this under his video.

[@stormypeel3592]

A well thought out video. My son has Crohn’s Disease and it pisses me off when people dismiss the pain and suffering he goes through every day.

[@oceanafaadh3328]

Men always gotta be questioning and disbelieving women about literally everything🙄 Apparently they know our bodies better than we do🙄🙄🙄🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

[@kayk6330]

so funny how your comment is the only one touching on this

[@b.benjamineriksson6030]

I fail to see why this would be a male vs female issue... This is a vegan don quijote ranting against someone with bleeding intestants.

[@AA-cf4es]

@@b.benjamineriksson6030 so you fail than.

[@spacecase7566]

That’s the vibe I got too lol.

[@Jedhaase]

You're one of the very few vegan youtubers I watch. When you make videos regarding others you don't immediately try to be criticizing but try to be very understanding, compassionate, and rational.

[@LML1248]

As a vegan who struggles with severe IBS/bloating and multiple intolerances, I have so much compassion for megan. A person doesnt know what they’ll really do until they’re in that much pain. I get where Mic is coming from, but he doesn’t know what this kinda pain feels like. I’m glad you covered this because Mic’s comments are the last thing she needs right now. “IBS isn’t the number one killer, but heart disease is”. IBS may not be the number one killer, but for those of us who suffer from it, it sometimes feels like a number one killer.

[@19Thunderbird94]

This was such a weird comment from him. Just because a disease isn't as common as e.g. heart disease doesn't mean that it can't be dangerous for those who suffer from it.

[@themagicknightress7132]

It would suck to live in east Asia with a soy allergy bc I feel like almost everything is made with soy sauce or something

[@vogelchenzwitschert8754]

Yes!! Especially in South Korea! No tofu, no soy sauce, no spicy paste, no fermented bean paste.. she can't eat at any restaurant ever. She can't even cook normal food because she can't use the ingredients that are just as essentially to the SK kitchen as salt and pepper are in western countries. This guy is totally talking out of his butt. She had blood in her abdomen FFS. She is in a country where there is basically no vegetarian stuff, don't even mentioning vegan food.

[@nyaralasolaszorszagban]

Thank you for standing up for Megan, I feel like Mic isn’t even trying to understand. Until he knows what it feels like to literally feel like your intestines are inflamed after almost everything you eat and how it can ruin every aspect of your day to be in pain, he might never understand, and this poor girl even has a soy allergy. Vegans with such a negative, mean attitude really put such a horrible mark on the whole movement, which is really sad.

[@HUMANNICO]

People be acting like asking someone to eat a mega restrictive, dull, complicated and expensive diet is easy peasy. People want to enjoy food. Not just eat for survival.

[@taintmueslix]

carnie dipshits be strawmanning plant-based diets as one type of diet

[@janeann3331]

@@taintmueslix temper temper good argument.

[@lilcrabbybabby]

@@taintmueslix remove "dull" and you do have every vegan diet. I think a lot of vegan foods are tasty. But yes, they are more expensive, restrictive and complex than diets with meat in them. They also are harder to to access for the vast majority or people in the world

[@simeoncarter3768]

@@lilcrabbybabby Go ahead and remove expensive too if you want to talk about every vegan diet. There are plenty of ways to eat a cheaper healthy vegan diet than if one ate animal products. As far as restrictive goes, pretty much every vegan I know has tried way more foods than they had before they went vegan. In these times especially there are so many ways to make things or just buy pre-made things that taste just like meat, egg, etc.

[@Nayr747]

Vegan diet is absolutely not more expensive. I was on food stamps for years and had no issue being vegan. Bananas, oats, beans, rice, etc are the cheapest foods you can get. It's also not a dull or boring diet at all. You guys are just lazy and unimaginative.

[@lottiedoherty190]

the low fodmap diet is horrible, I genuinely wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It's so restrictive and hard to follow, but it does work and does help with IBS symptoms. I hope anyone struggling with IBS feels better soon

[@sopjous]

not to mention a vegan diet without soy and gluten would already be really difficult for Meghan, as fruits and vegetables alone often are crazy expensive in South Korea and most vegan options are either imported (aka expensive) or marked up anyway because of the stereotypes and elitism surrounding new veganism in SK (a traditional Korean buddhist diet would be interesting, but I'm pretty sure that is very low on protein)

[@abcefg4504]

We dont need much protein

[@AA-cf4es]

@@abcefg4504 Maybe you don't.

[@lindavel43]

@@abcefg4504 But Megan does need more protein. She does body building competition. So she needs one protein to build her muscles.

[@amandagrogan4536]

I have endometriosis, which is one of the most painful conditions you can have (according to NHS research). When you eat food and it effects your body (with endo it can cause IBS like symptoms) you have to deal not only with the intense pain but also there is the mental health side of it. Chronic pain is a completely different ballgame and if you've never experienced it, it can be hard to understand how scary it is and how it effects your entire life. You start wondering about every single food you put in your mouth and if it will effect you. You don't know what is safe anymore for you, Esp when fruit and vegetables start effecting you, it's overwhelming because we're so often told they're "healthy" for you. It's not healthy for you if it makes you in immense pain. The way he dismisses her pain and implies heart disease is a bigger priority to mitigate is quite frankly disgusting and damaging. Chronic pain gets dismissed already by so many people, and it's a constant battle for people with it, every single day. I don't think he has any idea what people with chronic pain and chronic illness suffer from every single day, and all the elements they need to juggle to try and lower their symptoms to a liveable and manageable degree.

[@scarlet8078]

I agree. He sounds like a really privileged male dismissing a female's health issues. He even conflates it being "all in her head" insofar as he accuses her of just not wanting to be vegan. Right... like she's been a vegan influencer for all this time, but really WANTS to have bleeding intestines & get medical advice that tells her to eat a balanced diet. Mic is terrible. He's like a male version of Freelee, but bc he's a male, people are less hard on him & tend to tolerate his arrogance

[@AA-cf4es]

@@scarlet8078 this! He is condescending and mysogynistic, soft sexism is a thing; idk why nobody else seems to notice this.

[@verapaunovic8125]

He sounds bitter. I don't know why. Maybe he doesn't like people who are into sport. And yes 40g of protein is not that much especially if you are an athlete. Proteinphobia is a real thing.

[@kayk6330]

can you elaborate? like why people would feel that way?

[@MictheVegan]

I went to state in track, I get why you would hate me with how she edited out any empathetic sentiments in my video.

[@ChlorineHeart]

@@MictheVegan It does matter how much you say fake empathetic words when your actions clearly indicate a different intention and utter arrogance.

[@fuzzycatbutts]

@@MictheVegan Your "empathetic sentiments" don't negate all the shitty assumptions you made in your video, nor do they cancel out all the decidedly un-empathetic comments you made. Unless UN edited out you saying, "Psych! I have no business lecturing this woman who is following medical advice," you're still a jerk.

[@magyararon6918]

@@MictheVegan 🤡

[@abic5468]

Thank you for addressing this so patiently and understanding. I had to eat animals products again after three years of being vegan. I was literally on the floor for days with extremely extremely painful stomach pain. It radiated from my stomach to my chest. It started to happen more and more frequently. It was debilitating. My doctor diagnosed me with gastritis. Since I started introducing animal products back into my diet I am getting better, and haven’t had an attack in months. I have close calls but no attacks. I can’t eat spicy food, drink coffee, or eat chocolate. Those are my triggers. Mock meats also trigger me too.

[@samv.h6455]

The body builders he mentioned are “Nattys” because they said so, yeah, they could be eating a vegan diet but also taking steroids or doing THT both are EXTREMELY common in the body building world

[@AmIFreeYet]

Thank you for this. I've been an on and off vegan for over 10 years and I really try the best I can. I've been watching your channel for years and believe in the vegan cause. However, my body does not allow me to be totally vegan like the woman you're talking about. It sucks that vegans like Mic can't be more understanding of what a horrible decision some people are faced with. I want to be vegan. But you can't fight your body. I try my best and support the movement.

[@scarlet8078]

You're doing the right thing, & there are ways to be a totally ethical vegetarian or omnivore. In reality, hybrid farming is the way of the future, where animals & plants live in harmony together on farms. The animals are free range and fertilize the soil & pollinate the crops, thereby increasing both yield & nutrient content. Our planet cannot support more people going vegan, & without animals giving nutrients to the soil, the crops lose their nutritional value. Everyone in agriculture & farming knows all of this, which makes the toxic vegan activists like Mic & Freelee quite absurd. It's a grift

[@maderaverdes]

@@scarlet8078 While I agree that Freelee is quite toxic, and Mike isn't the best...all these other blanket statements ignore tons of complicated aspects re: farming, food webs, trophic cascades, etc. I highly recommend reading a basic textbook on ecology if you're interested such topics.

[@Bexstarartist]

Wow you must be very superior

[@vincevince2414]

As if starting to eat meat to stop to immediate intestinal bleeding you’re having is comparable to the possibility of slightly higher heart disease risk few decades later in your life that your 2 eggs a day are adding....

[@scarlet8078]

Exactly, and a healthy young woman like her has such a low risk of the type of heart disease he's discussing, it's far more likely that her demise will come as the result of some other illness. It's a non-issue

[@galveronika5020]

You just need to believe when somebody says "it hurts" or "it is not good for me". Just believe it man! You never know what is going on inside others.

[@galveronika5020]

Also the flowers are nice and not poop coloured 😅

[@fadingimperfection]

Thank u for this ❤️ from an ethical vegan with severe IBS (leading to multiple hospital trips over the years). I don’t know how I’d survive if I was also allergic to soy.

[@julieannelovesbooks]

Yeah that sounds hard! My best friend is allergic to milk products and gluten intolerant, so now she’s trying a low fodmap diet recommended by her doctor, and she’s eating so much tofu and tempeh etc. It already looks so hard and I try to help her come up with recipes and I’ve just been searching vids on KZbin and recipes online etc and it looks hard enough as it is.

[@heidih3048]

@@julieannelovesbooks Sorry.. you're right

[@Veronica-fc9td]

I just found out I have gastroparesis after being vegan for over 20 years and I have to do a low low low fiber low low low fat (yes even healthy fat) diet and may not be able to stay vegan anymore. Anyway..... I really hate that KZbinrs or IG try to tell you you can cure your gastro issue with a certain diet when in reality you need to see a freaking DOCTOR. it infuriates me that people would rather see her on a feeding tube than she eat some eggs. Sick people are judged so harshly.

[@Veronica-fc9td]

@@Denidrakes69 I'm just at a loss... I'm on a liquid diet most days..just water some days ...I have no idea what I'm going to end up able to eat.

[@pixiekolesa7416]

Had gastroparesis when I was younger and even the mild case I had was terrible. Days where it hurt to drink water, struggling to grow sufficiently as a child... Especially since a slow emptying stomach typically leads to gastritis or ulcers, the former in my case. Still struggling with stomach problems and still struggling with how to swap out animal products for vegan ones without causing flare ups

[@skullfullofbooks7398]

I hate when people make blanket statements about legumes. Peanuts are legumes, to which I am allergic. I cannot have isolated pea protein, as for me it seems it is cross reactive to the peanuts. I cannot eat chickpeas, as I seem to want to vomit after trying to eat them for some reason. Legumes are so weirdly individual.

[@science-y9209]

It's you.. most don't get any kinda problem eating legumes.... Take me for instance.. I'm highly allergic to meat fish and dairy.. I never did well on a carnivore diet even though I'm just a 15 year old.. and yeah I do have canines which are pretty sharp .. (my mum's canines are almost flat like that of an herbivores. . And she's always been a vegetarian).. If was hard in the beginning but since my mum cooks everything from scratch.. it didn't really bother me.. I loved that meaty flavour but now .. it's totally different..

[@Tehstool]

This video of Mic's really rubs me the wrong way. It's pretty dogmatic. He even goes as far as to suggest that the doctor's recommendation might be wrong even though it solved her problems. I'm glad you made a video on this.

[@ardenigleheart9467]

I’m always here for Mic the Vegan getting schooled. That guy is so arrogant

[@scarlet8078]

His attitude is a lot like the male Freelee, but bc he's a man, people give him more latitude & think of his as more respectable, whereas she's labelled a b-word. Don't get me wrong - I think they're both arrogant & terrible representatives of the vegan community - but it's weird how so few people call him out

[@MiddayLady]

It's kinda gross how he thinks he's a better expert at her specific needs than her DOCTOR. While he obviously has no in-depth knowledge about needs of a sportswoman or her condition or even about how much she weighs... it's kinda mind-blowing how sure of himself he is. Also her guts were literally bleeding and he goes 'oh maybe being vegan was just inconvenient yeah it was inconvenient bc her GUT BLEED. This was like the epitome of mansplaining. EDIT TO ADD: oh yeah and that part about her being so silly for not trying to make protein-powder pancakes and gulping the shakes like a -haha- such a silly person were maddening. He just made that up and then pretended she's kinda dumb, wth??

[@danielaxc2900]

Remember the ableist post Goji Mam made against Miley when she stopped being vegan? And Mic gave him kudos on it? One of many reasons these people suck.

[@jessicakyle6855]

Man, if every ex-vegan just went back to eating oysters and eggs that would be great. It shows real commitment to the cause of reducing suffering and doing the best you can. When ex-vegans go back to eating McDonald’s burgers claiming their vegan diet was nutritionally insufficient... that’s when it starts getting sketchy. She hasn’t done this. She’s doing better than 99%of the population.

[@moonlightmelodiesasmr3766]

I love Megan and have for a long time. It’s sad she’s not vegan anymore but I can also relate to the digestive issues. Mine aren’t as bad as hers and I’m still vegan but it’s still relatable. It really sucks that vegansim is so hard for some people.

[@JannaWillard]

I had a conversation on Twitter with someone who completely dismissed food allergies and brain fog as reasons to be omnivorous. I have a friend who is allergic to legumes and soy--as in, anaphylactic shock. And my husband had serious cognitive difficulties when he was vegan as a child. We have talked about possibly going vegetarian at least, but we'd have to be really careful about his nutrients and so on, and we're both not great about remembering to take supplements. (Not an excuse, but it's a barrier.) We have a small flock of chickens for eggs and I love them. They are like pets to me.

[@-danny.]

Aww I want chickens !! So cute 🥺

[@ina5503]

Keep trying your best! Every change counts.❤️

[@JannaWillard]

@@-danny. They are so funny and cute. My two favourite hens are named Tweedledee and Honey. It's really neat to watch them do their chickeny things and see how they are with each other.

[@JannaWillard]

@@ina5503 Thank you! I have to keep reminding myself of that. I'm more consistent if I start with small changes; if I jump in all the way, I don't last. And I have to keep my child and my husband in mind whenever I make dietary changes.

[@nataliaa.1094]

If I experienced these issues I'd probably go vegetarian and try to get the most ethical products possible. I'd never risk my health for any reason. I've been an ethical vegan for 14 years now and gladly never experienced any issues.

[@jasminpage3540]

I have been a fan of Megan's for a while now and most of the stuff he mentioned she has tried... At least what she had access to. Even the plant based/different kind of proteins. Nothing really helped her. I understand that it was a hard decision, but I think it was the right one for her. She really did not make this decision on a whim. It was hard for her. She tried everything she could.

[@dolifa]

I lived in Korea for 6 months and i never saw lentils or chickpeas being sold in regular markets.

[@Olivetree80]

This is why we need lab grown meat. Some vegans think that their whole paradigm would be corrupted if they thought about this issue in a complex way, when that's not the case. One's values about animals doesn't need to change just because this is some people's reality. First comes survival.

[@jenm1]

It's not that simple though. Survival doesn't mean jumping into eating the most sentient animals possible

[@emmanarotzky6565]

What are you talking about? The comment you’re replying to is about lab grown meat, no sentience involved.

[@jenm1]

@@emmanarotzky6565 "first comes survival" is a reference to someone having to eat meat right now when LGM isn't available.

[@Richiefitness]

Why mock meat at all? Should be repulsing to you your vegan

[@mary-catherineelizabeth7277]

@@Richiefitness I've never understood this. I'm vegan because animals deserve to live, not because they don't taste good. Very confused as to what is supposed to be so repulsive about mock meat or why we have to pretend meat doesn't taste good.

[@thatsalt1560]

Wow. He's so merciless. She was bleeding inside! I have no such problems at all! I eat soy and legumes and have no problems whatsoever. Let people like me be "perfect" vegans, but don't attack this poor woman who had severe health problems and who obviously is unhappy about not being able to be completely vegan. Seriously. Leave her alone.

[@forever_seeking]

The empathy in these comments and video 😍. As someone dealing with Digestive issues and benefiting from a low fodmap diet I relied heavily on tofu for protein. That alone felt difficult I couldn't imagine not being able to have soy.

[@stargazerbird]

Mic’s flippant style I not suited to every subject he covers. I found this one really annoying. As a fellow IBS sufferer it was frustrating hearing his advice. He clearly does not know how it works. Pea protein is bad for me. Lentils are terrible for my IBS. The dose is the poison for us. So you may be able to eat one small amount of one of them a day, but not enough to be able to get enough protein.

[@MrDesbreko]

Thank you for continuing to talk about people with IBS with such compassion. I would love to be vegan if I could. I have a rather extreme case of IBS. If I hadn’t found a diet that worked for me I would have had to go on disability as I was unable to leave the house. Even the low FODMAP diet isn’t restrictive enough to control my symptoms. I have been careful with my diet for 7 years and I’m now able to replace some meat with eggs and whey protein. All vegan sources of protein need to be extremely limited or I will be in a lot of pain. I’ve tried to gradually go vegetarian or vegan and it has never gone well. Unless there is a major breakthrough in medication or probiotics or something I’ll have to wait until cultured meats are widely available in order to be vegan. Tips for aspiring vegans/vegans with IBS: find a diet that actually controls your symptoms for at least a few months before trying to reduce animal product consumption. Add foods back one by one and try to identify whether it’s the protein or carbohydrates in a given food that sets you off. Just don’t try to replace more than ten grams of animal protein with plant protein at a time. It might be that you end up like me, only able to eat a handful of vegan meals a month and five or so vegetarian meals per week. Something is better than nothing.

[@julieannelovesbooks]

I’m so extremely proud of you for still trying to eat some vegan and vegetarian meals, even if it’s just a couple of them per month. I’m sorry to hear your journey has been so hard and painful and I’m glad you’ve found something that works for you. Please look after your health, I think you being healthy and being able to live your life is more important than eating more vegan meals. If it reduces your quality of life so severely it’s not worth it❤️

[@Sindri27]

I've got IBS D and nothing the doctors do can help it. being vegan didnt worsen it or make my symptoms better. I did the Fodmap diet as well and did find some trigger foods to avoid. Like blackbeans but I can eat others. Mainly they need to be canned and rinsed really well. More than just diet plays a role with IBS. Ive lived with it for 28 years. Stress can make it worse I find.

[@julieannelovesbooks]

@@Sindri27 this makes so much sense. Your mental state can influence your body, especially your intestines. I find when I’m really stressed I always have horrible cramps too. I get why it’s not the same thing you experience, just saying it’s not weird for your mental state to be able to affect your IBS

[@ellie2089]

really appreciate you recognising the difficulty of finding specialty vegan products, vegan doctors etc in south korea. being vegan in south korea without any allergies or further dietary restrictions is already difficult and expensive as it is so what megan is doing is extremely admirable!!

[@stacy4436]

This guy's seems like he is pretty privileged and doesn't have to worry about how much things cost. But then, I am assuming things just like he does. Oops. 🤭 Great video! Because of you and a few other vegans on here I've considerably reduced my meat consumption. I like vegan food a lot, it's just expensive where I live ☹️

[@taintmueslix]

really? I'm on food stamps and I live in the Bay Area, one of the most expensive places in the world and it's easy AF to eat whole foods plants only

[@stacy4436]

@@taintmueslix What do you get?! I'm always looking for cheap, easy meals to make.

[@stacy4436]

@@taintmueslix I also live in California.

[@lissaw4]

@@taintmueslix how does that change her comment about his privilege when discussing Meghan's food requirements and personal needs?

[@taintmueslix]

@@stacy4436 I eat all raw foods now, but I used to eat lots of potatoes, beans, lentils, and grains which I'd make soups, stews and casseroles out of. those items are DIRT cheap. pasta is very inexpensive as well

[@BeerElf66]

A lot of people with gluten allergies might have issues with shellfish. Is that guy always like this? As we say in my country "He's acting like a nobhead".

[@vanessaf8468]

Omg! You hit it on the nail each time you spoke how hard it is to find "western products" in Korea. I lived there for 4 yrs, I easily adapted to the Korean diet because I don't have any dietary restrictions but for many of the other expats who couldn't adapt, the struggle was/is real even with "international markets" in major cities, it's slim pickins. Thoroughly impressed

[@kimieatsu]

I’m crying that you found a protein powder I can have. Researching low fodmap food on the internet is extremely overwhelming and I have been looking for a vegan protein powder for 8 months

[@rba4377]

Thank you for this video. Im 30, been vegetarian since 14 and vegan for almost 10 years now. Ive always seen this im not vegan anymore videos and had Mic's and other vegan youtubers reaction. For the last 3 years Ive had random upset stomach episodes (pretty severe but they would pass in a couple of weeks). Until last year...... all of the sudden I havent been able to eat almost anything. Looked for help from vegan professionals (not easy to find well versed in the topic but im open to it) and seen several Drs and Gastros (which to be honest never asked WHAT I EAT!!!!! what if I ate big macs and ice cream everyday all day? ) Anyway.... its been a painful and a debilitating time... and scary with covid and all of it. Havent been able to work or leave the house on my own for one year because of the symptoms. I NEVER NEVER EVER EVER in my life thought I would go back to eating animals but at this point it seems to be my only option. My heart aches so much, as I said I havent had animal flesh in ove 15 years... animals are my favourite thing in the world. But what am i supposed to do? Spend another thousands of dollars I dont have and keep trying so many failed ways to try to get better? I spend all my days at home physically debilitated at this point and I havent turned 30 yet. I pray everyday that I dont have to do this forever. Im in mental anguish all the time about... I try as hard as I can to be an ethical and moral person in every aspect of my life and genuinely dont know how to deal with this. Not every ex vegan is fine what this decision... is beyond emotionally painful and distressing. Also once you are vegan and you have this mentality of 'animal products cause cancer and heart disease' the whole situation becomes even more distressing for the individuals. My mental health can obviously worsen the symptoms and being even MORE scared of getting another symptom or disease is scary and it doesnt help at all. Anyway... my point is... some people dont know what to try anymore and are not happy about eating animals they have loved and respected their whole lives.

[@scarlet8078]

Friend, it is ok to eat the animal products for your own health & well-being. There are many people in your situation. We see such patients all the time, many with neuromuscular problems as a result of B-12 deficiencies from long-term veganism. We also see patients having digestive problems that appear to result from an overgrowth of bacteria in the intestines or sometimes from excessive fiber over a long timespan that seems to irritate the digestive tract in ways we don't fully understand. A vegan diet does not provide full nutrients without supplementation; therefore, all vegans become dependent on the pharmaceutical industry to meet their basic nutritional needs. Many others develop long-term health problems as a result of certain imbalances present in a vegan diet, e.g., the very high fiber content mentioned above. Still other people have bodies that do not absorb nutrients like iron and various vitamins from plant sources. We often see patients with diets that seem sufficient on paper, but the patient will have extreme deficiencies, be having muscle spasms, internal bleeding, etc. If your symptoms do not improve, you may find it helpful to go to a hospital that treats eating disorders. I realize you do not view your veganism as an eating disorder (& I'm not saying that it is - certainly some people can be healthy on a vegan diet). However, these facilities deal with many patients who have suffered results of restrictive diets and so we may be better able to diagnose issues related to a diet.

[@maderaverdes]

@@scarlet8078 So, you have nothing better to do with your time than troll vegan-community comment sections? And, make people with severe health issues feel worse by blaming them for their conditions? I have a lot of the same issues as the OP and have been tested for all the deficiencies you speak of and none of them came back as a problem (I would have been RELIEVED if they had so I could address them). This is an incredibly insensitive and ignorant comment disguised as "helpful."

[@maderaverdes]

Sorry about the other commenter here. I've been in a really similar situation for about the last year. I hope this doesn't seem rude, but have you considered reaching out to a mental health professional? Once my mental health started improving, my symptoms became more manageable, which, of course, won't be the same for everyone. But, either way it's nice to talk to someone about this stuff. I was also helped by joining some online support groups (not vegan-based, but based on certain diseases, syndromes, etc.). Because of COVID I have also really struggled to get adequate health care (and let's be real, this is a struggle outside of COVID times if you're in the US as well), and haven't gotten a diagnosis yet. But, it honestly helps to read and ask questions in forums of support groups for diagnoses that have similar symptoms as you. It seemed disingenuous to me at first, but there are a lot of people on there trying to figure out what diagnosis they have and I've never read anything that denounced anyone without a diagnosis for participating (and not like trolling or anything of course). Also, I'd be willing to chat if you ever want to vent (although I honestly can't think of a way to do so without putting my personal info on here-but I'll figure it out if you're interested!).

[@AA-cf4es]

@@maderaverdes how is it trolling?

[@AA-cf4es]

Sorry about other other commenter, he seems histerical. Listen to an actual doctor and not to a people who label every unsavoury opinion as trolling.

[@aphelion42]

As someone who has been on and off a low FODMAP diet for years due to IBS (complicated by IBD), there's no way that I could afford to eat enough protein without extra firm tofu. Also, when I'm flaring, while I can tolerate a 1/2 cup of canned lentils, I can't tolerate eating that at every meal or even every day. Whenever I see a vegan without IBS trying to make diet suggestions for someone with IBS, I always laugh. I'd love to see them try to eat a balanced diet on my restrictions for under $100 a month and keep it up for 30 or 60 days. Even better, do that without a nutritionist when you're only functional about 8 hours a day and have to work a full time job or be in school full time.

[@unoriginal1086]

Yeah I think its just ableism.

[@AA-nw7hi]

Thank you for saying that. I wish I could live off beans and rice.

[@katieamarsh]

I call it wellness privilege. Wow. How nice that they can judge and preach from a high horse while having zero experience with the medical issue they’re speaking about.

[@elisenieuwe4649]

I have a ton of allergies and intolerances and on a budget as well. Vegan food advice is so useless to me. Most people have no clue how hard veganism.gets without soy, nuts, most seeds, many fruits incl bananas and seitan. (Higher amount of gluten at once) Also some spices. Yes its doable, but.not cheaply unless I do it with deficiencies. It can't be done nutritionally sufficient and cheap where I live.

[@Aceofwolves]

Also a dietitian/nutrtionist while a good start in health in NOT an expert in ANY disease or disorder of any body system. Even the gastrointestinal tract which is why people with digestive DISORDERS go to gastroenterologist a doctor who studied the gastrointestinal system for YEARS (average of 10 years before they become specialists)

[@snollber]

I love Megan! As a vegan myself I have nothing but respect for her. Knowing how she’s a perfectionist I’m sure she’s done all the research and tried everything she can to feel better on a vegan diet so I would never judge her for including some animal products to heal.

[@danceguardmusicgirl1]

I'm a first year medical student so I obviously don't know everything, but yeah... intestinal bleeding is way more serious and imminent problem than hypothetical heart disease in 30 years? Occult bleeds can cause serious anemia (which, where is Mic expecting her to get her iron without beans, soy, or wheat?) and if the bleed is left untreated can even lead to hypovolemic shock. I didn't watch her video but it seems like her bleed was maybe not so serious as to warrant an endoscope and could just be treated with diet (although she did say it could be serious if she had waited longer), but her continuing to eat legumes and aggravating her gut even more could lead to serious, acute complications. Really irresponsible of Mic.

[@MsBrodiddlyJane]

I lived in Japan for years and have been to Korea and can confirm that it is near impossible to get vegan products there that would have suited her situation. I lived in Yokohama city and the only meat substitute they had was a bunch of tofu varieties. Specifically vegan product are only available at very specific stores and I only ever found 1 store near me and it was tiny. There were some specifically vegan restaurants and a vegan convenience store but they were 2 hrs away from me, not easy to get to and quite expensive to always go to and I didn’t get paid a lot. I very much doubt she can easily and cheaply avoid soy.

[@hartandsoul85]

Here in Japan, it's impossible to find black eyed peas, and beyond meat and impossible meat is not even sold here, even online. All mock meat is made with soy and a small percentage is made from flower. This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Even lentils are hard to find unless you are close enough to an Indian or Bangladeshi store (only in like Tokyo or Osaka), or buy them marked up on amazon. I'm guessing it's even harder to find in South Korea, as their population is smaller.

[@unoffensiveusername1887]

The number 1 cause of death in Korea is not heart disease, it's cancer. But I'd be curious if you isolate people with ibs, particularly people who have been diagnosed with intestinal bleeding, is heart disease the number one cause of death in that population?

[@scarlet8078]

Absolutely not, & certainly not in young women like this with such a healthy lifestyle & low BMI

[@Emily-nq1tz]

Oh god he pulled the Abbey Sharp and just cherry picked things she said to make it come off a certain way

[@thor.mukbang]

I've come to realize the absurdity of a bunch of condescending unqualified strangers on social media commenting on other people's diet

[@aubreymorgan9763]

And this is why I like you. I've seen so many other channels give you crap over your own eating but never take into account that you have issues with some foods and textures. and then they rag on folks like Megan who have other medical issues and live in an area where they can't just walk over to their local whole foods or whatever to get some exotic ingredient no one has heard of. I'm in a similar situation living in a more remote area in the pacific northwest and can't get many fresh foods and delivery even just with amazon can take weeks which makes going plant based very hard.

[@Everglow247]

Idk why i'm just now seeing this but thank you for standing up for her...I lost a huge amount of respect for vegans after looking into her comment section and his comment section. The fact that many could care about animal life more than a fellow human. She said she had internal bleeding and people were completely gaslighting her and being disgusting

[@privateprivate5302]

I'm not a vegetarian My limited understanding of vegetarianism Is that Some do it from a conviction of protecting animals Some do it for the health benefits And some so it for both reasons The guy seems like a judgmental skeptical vegan-nazi Im offended by the way he passively aggressively attacks her motives I'm kinda triggered by him ESPECIALLY since she offered an in-depth explanation that she didn't have to explain about her health Megan is very responsible with the information she shares on her channel I think this guy is trolling her maybe in hopes of her fan base clicking on his channel to come to her defense... Negative attention is still attention after all. Glad my introduction to th@t dude was through THIS channel and NOT his 😡 Subscribed to this one, thank you for covering this.didnt know Megan was getting hateful back lash related to her diet/nutritional adjustments Thank YOU for covering his attack on her, and offering RATIONAL dialogue that reinforces the BIG PICTURE and bottom line Megan's intent is not to be a fraudulent vegan/vegetarian. What she does she does for HERSELF and she's generous enough to invite her fans/followers along for some of the ride We appreciate her And I appreciate you

[@Saltpork305]

The protein thing got me. I use protein powder in my diet and lift. I integrate it in both smoothies and applesauce because I use protein isolate. *No one* is just mixing up unflavored protein powder and chugging it down by itself. That's not a thing. We still have tastebuds.

[@stacym538]

Sheesh I live in Florida and vegan dietician/nutritionist are hard to find. Or rather the nearest ones are almost two hours away. Yeah super convenient for full time workers. Let me just run down there. 🙄.

[@stephenward2743]

5:29 In regards to quorn it's also still insanely high in fibre (they literally have to put a warning on the packet by law) because it's fungi based. (in the uk they actually have more than 6 vegan products btw though :D)

[@AimeeColeman]

They have 15 in the UK :D they've even got vegan pepperoni now 😊

[@scofah]

I love how you don't have music behind your videos It's so peaceful and wonderful to just hear you talking without some background noise. Many thanks!

[@Laraftw]

I was on the section where he was talking and I almost clicked the dislike button before reminding myself this is your video with clips of him in it.

[@Learninglotsoflanguages]

It's interesting how everyone's bodies are different and react differently which is what Mic seems to be missing. I was in a very similar position as Megan but the opposite effect. I was an athlete, living in South Korea, and had struggled with what doctors guessed was maybe IBS. In South Korea it advanced to having bleeding problems and I became vegan in South Korea. Thankfully didn't have an bleeding since then and a couple years after any IBS symptoms were gone and I've been free of them for 5 years. Every body is different.

[@BrendaKayTheseQuietMoments]

Once her gut heals, she could possibly be able to eat beans again. When the gut is inflamed and bleeding, there isn't much one CAN eat and actually digest.

[@pedrohenriqueandrade486]

Omg, love the new background!! ❤

[@stani.k]

Yes so cute

[@trishanacw]

Saaammeeeee!

[@AimeeColeman]

I think it's really pretty and nicely laid out, but the centre of those flowers set off my trypophobia 😅😅

[@Sarah_Grant]

I have the same issues as she does and the vegan diet almost killed me!! Soy, legumes, gluten, beans, certain common vegetables/fruits, on and on my body HATES. So, yay for this calm response to these issues.

[@lekiscool]

This video explains why I can’t be vegan, but I am trying my best to be a conscious omnivore. I would love to own chickens, I don’t eat eggs enough to demand eggs from them. My insides are a mess. Thank you for making this. :D

[@loolooalexander2300]

Korea is not a vegan or vegetarian country. It has a heavily meat oriented food culture. If you are able to find an American/European vegan product, it is so expensive. (Things might have changed since I have studied abroad.) Another note is TOFU is a beloved ingredient in stews, soups, and other delicious dishes. It is kind of hard to tap around it; it is possible however. Overall, a vegan or vegetarian doctor/RD is almost unheard, let alone a vegan or vegetarian Korean. They exist, but it is not common whatsoever.

[@wel408]

facts: i can't have pea protein because i have a sensitivity to niacin. which makes no logical sense to me since you're supposed to need niacin to survive. BUT I have a history of chronic low potassium that causes an occasional irregular heartbeat that comes and goes, and consuming niacin rich foods such as peas exacerbates the condition. soooo... meh. different strokes for different folks right

[@bognarandras8398]

Thank you for the video! It's really sad, based on her video title and comment it seems like Moon herself feels guilty and afraid of backslash from her followers. Veganism should be about compassion and especially someone who is real pain should receive help, reassurance and understanding, not blame and lecturing.

[@keepXonXrockin]

She's now a bodybuilder? It's wild how things change when you don't watch someone for a few years

[@purplesneakers3343]

Must be nice for him to be able to sit there and rattle off all these things Megan “should/could” be doing while not feeling sick not having to give up a lifestyle he feels strongly about because his body hasn’t revolted on him. As someone with severe digestive issues having to have a feeding tube and numerous ports and lines for TPN I can’t tell you how hard and scary food in general becomes when you don’t know just what will set of a cascade of symptoms some that can appear out of nowhere and be life threatening. What a pompous jerk. Thank you for being you!

[@taintmueslix]

there's nothing in animal products that will cure her digestive problems. don't be stupid

[@purplesneakers3343]

@@taintmueslix I didn’t say there was. I said he is being a pompous judgmental ass. There is NO food period that will cure anything and for those of us with extreme digestive issues and allergies it’s a trial an error an add and remove sometimes a single food at a time while still trying to get enough nutrients to keep our bodies alive.

[@taintmueslix]

@@purplesneakers3343 there's nothing in animal products she needs to keep her body alive that she can't get from plants while sorting out her digestive problems

[@purplesneakers3343]

@@taintmueslix I’m not saying there is I am also not her and also not her doctor I also do not live in South Korea nor am I an athlete but I do understand digestive issues, I do understand food allergies and being hospitalized because no matter how healthy how clean how good I was eating my body decided to have an absolutely hissy fit. I understand the struggle to find foods that will not kill or cause my organs to shut down and cause me extreme amounts of pain. I only know what it feels like to walk in my own shoes but because I am in my shoes I can understand and empathize with what she is going through physically and I’m guessing from experience mentally.

[@katsmediocrelife9694]

I freaking love your channel. I find your rational, thoughtful, & compassionate perspective refreshing.

[@littlelonny]

I do really appreciate those critical videos from a vegans perspective! They really helped me accepting and learning about more opinions and realising that there is not “the one” diet. Also it must be so much effort to do all the research 💛 Thank you lots for making these!

[@Alexisk273]

As a celiac vegan I CANNOT imagine how difficult it would be to not be able to eat beans or soy based products, along with no wheat. Not to mention how scary it would be to find out your bleeding internally. Maybe one day she will be able to include more vegan options again but I do not fault her at all for including some animal products for the time being.

[@Satankitteh]

These are the kinda videos I really love watching from you. So excited

[@Reznic007]

Love the background first of all, even as someone who’s not a huge flower lover. Also my sister in law is allergic to cucumbers, she’s allergic to all melons and that family or something.

[@Pondue_At_Large]

Gosh, Mic's voice inflection is so bizarre . Why does he do that? What an offputting habit. He's hard to listen to.

[@EmmaSianHughes]

I live in Thailand and have lived in Japan and there is no Quorn here, if it exists I haven't found it despite extensive searching, almost all mock meats here are soy or sometimes wheat gluten. Its also hard to find those and often they're expensive. You're 100% right that using Quorn as your protein source in Asia is completely impractical and probably impossible for most people. I miss my Quorn every day haha 😄

[@caralyncharles1010]

Will you make a video about Sarah Lemkus leaving veganism? It didn’t come as a huge surprise to me but what I found hard to grasp was that she presented her leaving veganism as a way to stop seeing food as an “idol” but then she goes on to say that she now eats all food groups except for legumes, cruciferous foods, etc. So in a way she went from one eating disorder to another. Anyways, let me know what you think and if you have any thoughts on it... I’m curious!

[@Nina-cd6uw]

I don't know her of course but not eating cruciferous vegetables and legumes is not an "eating disorder". Maybe let's not throw that around so easily. When I first went vegan I couldn't handle it and cut out the same stuff for my stomach and intestine health too until I was fine again - then I reintroduced veganism and later those food groups into my diet again. To me it sounds like a restriction of a food group (maybe just for an amount of time) but not to be quickly equated with an "eating disorder".

[@caralyncharles1010]

@@Nina-cd6uw Pre-veganism Sarah struggled with an eating disorder. Then she picked up veganism and it then turned into another form of her eating disorder. She could not recognize it at the time because she was eating A LOT while vegan but realistically she was eating low calorie, low fat, and low protein foods. Now that she has recognized that veganism was an extension of her eating disorder, she says that she’s eating everything except for certain food groups. This pattern and cycle of “diet hopping” can be clearly paralleled with other ex-vegans like Alyse Parker and Rawvana. People who have eating disorders and who seek rehabilitation programs are not allowed to be “choosey” with food for this exact reason. If she has had an eating disorder for the past 12 years then not eating certain food groups would certainly be considered another phase of her eating disorder.

[@scarlet8078]

@@caralyncharles1010 Is she not eating cruciferous vegetables due to an allergy or an issue with fiber? If I eat uncooked broccoli, I become violently ill. Broccoli causes more stomach cramps than any other vegetable, due to a sugar in broccoli called raffinose

[@sadi19]

BLEW MY MIND with the oysters 👀 Wow! That is so cool

[@귤귤-y1x]

I stay in korea a few months of the year and it's ROUGH. I'm vegetarian-mostly vegan and I have hard of a enough time since everyone is a big meat eater ( so was I) and tbh all the vegan restaurants aren't Korean food. You can get beyond burgers and a few other things in Seoul but canned beans and such aren't really a thing sadly. I love Korean soy milk so I can't speak for the availability of almond milk etc but soy milk is super available however the leading soy milk brand isn't vegan due to the addition of d3. Sad sad. I can't imagine living outside of Seoul eithet