Maybe the Worst Unit in the Game - Frost Wyrm Supremacy - Total War Warhammer 3

Frost Wyrms may actually be the Worst Unit in Total War Warhammer 3. Kislev battles Khorne in this cinematic battle showcasing new units from the Shadows of Change DLC update.
Worst Unit in Total War Warhammer 3 - Kislev Frost Wyrm

[@jedimasterdraco6950]

If anyone's curious why my build is so dang wonky, I'm not much of a multiplayer. In fact, this was my first multiplayer in Game 3. And it was also 4 in the morning which probably contributed to my terrible reaction and target aquisition.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

you dont need to justify anything mate, playing silly games with silly units on a silly map, no need to feel self conscious. its all good, was a fun one gg

[@jedimasterdraco6950]

@@milkandcookiesTW All those games from that series were pretty fun. Glad to have played them.

[@MikoSciencia]

Don't worry, it was a fun replay to watch

[@Jarulf4477]

Don't sweat it. You should have seen my first multiplayer match...😅 Plus your game is on Indy's channel, something must have gone right.

[@fidelcashflow4940]

It was a fun watch, and Khorne is considered the worst faction in the game atm so don't sweat it lol

[@Vandelberger]

I think it’s just the ZERO splash damage. They do well against single units they focus on, but they just don’t damage anything else in what is clearly splash damage AOE animations.

[@deusvult6164]

Yeah and while fighting single units they just stop attacking sometimes and try to move forward but stop attacking while moving and they won‘t attack afterwards

[@jordanclock]

The Frost Wyrm has splash attack and the stats are pretty good. It can hit up to 6 models, affects up to 'large' size entities (most chariots, mournguls, minotaurs, treekin to name a few units in this class), and does full damage on splash attacks. I won't say anyone is wrong to think the Frost Wyrm performs poorly, though.

[@Vandelberger]

@@jordanclock I have to disagree. You need to watch Quality Games video on one frost wyrm vs 4 units of Empire Swordsmen. It damaged one unit upon charge then slowly hurt that same unit while making individual men from the other units fly around with tail swipes and cool ice attack animations but they did no damage. It only damaged the first unit the whole time. My own testing had same results.

[@Phoenix-sc6di]

@@jordanclockBut if that's true, how does it get 6 (!) kills on marauders when it sends 2 dozen of them flying with each swing for 10 or more attacks?

[@jordanclock]

@@Phoenix-sc6di I'm not doubting that something is wrong, but the stats are not a secret. You can go look at them yourself in RPFM. My guess is this is another instance of the issue where models are knocked down before the attack is applied and don't take damage as a result. Clearly something *is* wrong, but it is also wrong to say that the Frost Wyrm doesn't have a splash attack. It is probably bugged, but it is supposed to have a very good one.

[@sirunklydunk8861]

Who would you think would be the better unit? A giant ice wyrm made of ice that is the apex hunter of it's area Or a bunch of peasants with axeforks

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

Big burly men supreme

[@milkandcookiesTW]

still waiting for CA to add elite Silver Spoon infantry. adept at scooping out enemy eyeballs

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@milkandcookiesTWhonestly that does sound like something a Slaanesh character would do.

[@ablade2382]

Modelers and animators put their heart and soul into incredible monster Balancers make it awful or so expensive you never see it online It’s real tiring bros

[@anirbanbhattacharya9185]

It’s not a balancing issue. It’s a mechanical issue. The Frost Wyrm has targeting issues, meanwhile the Ice Sled has too much damage, and is possibly double dipping.

[@isaacpotter3454]

​@anirbanbhattacharya9185 it seems like it has an issue where it can only damage about 8 units at a time, there is immense knockback as all its moves and animations are great but few entities actually die from those impacts

[@ruuwb]

Agree, despite its many flaws, the TWW series has stunning unit models and animations.

[@charlesman8722]

Me who only plays campaign: Huh? Oh yes “balance” right right.

[@ablade2382]

@@anirbanbhattacharya9185What I posted refers to more a general problem with interesting units at higher levels of play.

[@naoura4939]

If the Frostwyrm had some amazing splash attack and a Chilling Aura, I can see it being an Elemental Bear Alternative. Something meant to slam down as much Frostbite as possible for as many units as possible. Otherwise, yeah, breath weapon is kind of a must.

[@Phoenix-sc6di]

I mean we gotta consider it is Tier 3, so it shouldn't outright replace the bear. Given it's amazing and volatile charge and impact animations, I would personally prefer it to be a sleek, mobile, charging monster for icy shock and awe, where as the bear should be better at holding ground. Hope they fix it's issues and consider that.

[@bufan7177]

well did you know khemrian sphinx had breath attack on TT but it was not added in TWW2?

[@baconsoup8346]

Actually I think the Frostwyrm is supposed to do splash damage with it's attacks that clearly look like they would, but it instead overkills 1 model with all the damage. It sucks so bad against really bad monstrous infantry, & monsters with worse stats than it as well, the Frostwyrm is very much a broken monster that's not working correctly in multiple aspects.

[@Th3_Raven]

The modelers and animators did a beautiful job on it. It's a shame that its programming on the animations for how it interacts with and hits other units are awful and feel broken and stupid. Hopefully the Devs fix it sooner rather than later, and if we're lucky, the longest we'll have to wait for it to get fixed will be with the Thrones of Decay update in April (if that expected release date holds)

[@Icewolfnector]

Maybe they will fix some of its problems in a hotfix, which we got quite a few of, prior to 4.2. One can at least hope so

[@Vraimorte]

I managed to get 4 frost wyrms into my tomb kings army early on via an outpost. Yep, the aren't great but maybe better than my skeletal spearmen.

[@SlickMajestic]

Hah. Everything is better than skeleton spearmen. Even Skavenslaves--at least they are fast.

[@vidarmehammer8660]

watched u years ago, had forgotten how entertaining ur commentary over these type of battles were!

[@NeroAllstar]

The frost wyrm is bugged. And CA already knows it. It performs way worse than it would if it wasn't bugged. It has been reported on CAs TW forum and they responded they are aware of the issue. It essentially deals almost no splash while it does have splash because the attack animations don't match the hitbox where its splash is supposed to go. Knocking enemies around without actually dealing dmg. Its collision dmg is working so if you use it like a chariot its workable.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

thanks for the details. i hadnt seen CA respond about the unit, can you link what they said?

[@marekszlendak2137]

There is a similar problem with Cockatrice afrer the update. With full health it can lose to a unit of bats with less tha 50% of health. It looks like it cant really attack properly while in air. It seems to be performing normally when fighting on the ground

[@killtacular4444]

That happens to most flying units tho, Firebirbs and Manticores will also lose to swarms very easily if they are not supported.

[@DrRipper19]

I definitely fills a unique role, it's a giant fast tier 3 terror-causing monster, by far Kislev's fastest giant monster and its earliest available. Unfortunately it's too squishy for its size and doesn't deal enough damage for its cost. It needs a breath attack and more mass and hitpoints at least (especially considering that it needs wounds). The hitbox things sounds like a bug though.

[@jimmyfe6746]

Skyline continuing to be the perfect song for youtube videos

[@iamnotoforiginald9206]

Love your battle casting vid format, make more vids please!

[@RagingFreedom360]

The amount of pure memery and puns in here was just fantastic.. just so good

[@eb-xm5ds]

I think CA honestly only added it because they think they have to add big single entity units to get people to purchase their dlcs for the 25$ price point. Really hope for the next dlc they don’t give the empire and dwarfs carmine or shard dragons just because.

[@indrickboreale7381]

It would be weird to see Karl Franz with Carmine Dragon. It would ruin the immersion, just like Elementar Beast in typical lategame Kislev armies

[@hxrd_christ]

i mean kislev had 2 SEM already. they just gave them a 3rd option with a different role in mind. yes is flashy because they need to sell but i don't think it was a dumb rooster add.

[@hxrd_christ]

@@indrickboreale7381 eh , i think it wouldn't be that awful looking

[@eb-xm5ds]

@@hxrd_christ that’s not why it’s a dumb add, giving the empire and dwarves single entity monsters goes against everything about their play style and the uniqueness of their factions.

[@jaredcullum117]

Perhaps the frost wyrm could use the immune to flanking effect as a bit of a band-aid. He even attacks with his tail a lot so it would make some kind of sense.

[@eust117]

Ah, We're the desperate measures... Oh the memories you wake up every time you play this in the background of your videos my same-aged friend...

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

It’s still surreal to have my guy back on content after 3 months. Hope for much more to come. Frost Wyrms being so poor is a damn shame given how they were one of the best additions in the new stuff for SoC. CA needs to hotfix them quick. Also once again, a monster with melee breath animations without an actual breath attack. Just continually strange to me. Cathay kids need it too.

[@shiggydiggy6847]

Big monsters need either truckload of damage with good MA/MD for dueling or anti-infantry with collision attacks or mortis effect. Or be a lord's dragon mount that can be healed. Anything that doesn't fall into those groups tends to have very weak performance these days. Elemental bear, k'daii destroyer, treeman, cygor and the like never see serious play.

[@punkyllama420]

Fuck that ODST soundtrack + Warhammer fantasy combo goes hard 🔥

[@edwardrosenquist1970]

Good to have you back, Indie. The game isn’t the same without your SportsCenter casting talent

[@joshmilner4864]

I was shocked it didn't get a breath attack. Wouldn't help it much but wouldn't hurt. I think it was more of a mount option to set ice lords and once they had it they said yeah that's a feral unit too dlc addition yea yea yea.

[@classicoleman]

So It's a cold ancient salamander without a projectile, I say give it a slowing projectile cut the range of the original in half and it's good

[@PetrucciIbiza]

Hey man welcome back! I wonder why don't you upload at 4k?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

it triples/quadruples the time required to render, upload, and process on youtube for marginal benefit in a game like this. difference between 2k and 4k is much more noticeable/important in certain shooters like Hunt Showdown or Battlefield. basically its way more effort than its worth in Total War, and would frequently push uploads past the timing windows I want, and occasionally even into next day

[@PetrucciIbiza]

Thx for update

[@joshmilner4864]

I'd like it to have an imbue spell weakness so it pairs with magic more when you send it into a blob it makes any spells do more damage or longer duration If it's in the area maybe.

[@tyrannicaljj6542]

The stats are underwhelming when the design of the unit is amazing.

[@nicreuben5908]

"in twain like mark" is bars

[@truemisto]

a bound spell or ability (shootable long range dragonbreath for instance) might help it

[@bobbo8u]

maybe the wyrm could have the debuff aura the cold phoenix gets, or a frost trail similar to the beast of nurgle. it jumps around so much that trail could be cool

[@nopeacejustwar1664]

Dude, tell me if I’m wrong. Is this the Halo ODST ost? If so, props man, props 🤙

[@Son_of_Mandalore]

Good to have you back Indy

[@connorjohn5013]

Quick question not related to the battle itself: in campign my combat stats are very low. Like hp and ap, and i can’t seem to adjust it, i see videos where they have normal hp and attack power but not in mine someone explain pls

[@tomd3264]

What’s your PC specs please? And your settings for warhammer? Game runs smooth!

[@SolNacht]

Came for the fight, stayed for the Sabaton refrences.

[@ydin9]

@10:40 you can see the wyrms hit box and pathing is totally f'd.

[@TaskForce-ql3bx]

Couldn’t they fix single entities the same way the handled how many entities can attack a routing unit?

[@shade419]

CA's balancing of Total War Warhammer 3 is an effective modeling of the balancing of 40K. Which just goes to tell me that we'd be PERFECTLY fine with a Total War 40K.

[@odmloupi]

isnt the huge flaming explosion from the blade of khorne army ability?

[@kewindifranco7114]

breath attack would do wonders on the frost wyrm

[@sardauk3038]

yeaaaaah more chaos monsters for Kislev !

[@Nikolas5842]

Good stuff ❄

[@leonardbrazil5497]

Think some extra utility for the frost wyrm could be along the lines of a cav hunter. Give it like 15 bonus vs large, and chilling aura which it should have in the first place and it would make a decent monster to goon with. Especially since kislev just lost there big anti large monster, a smaller more manoeuvrable one could be a better choice.

[@Rowanthebeast]

The lack of a wounds trait honestly makes me think they forgot to finish the frostwyrm before dropping the update.

[@eomat]

Really find the Frost Wyrm such a strange addition to Kislev.

[@Augimund]

It at least looks cool

[@InquisitorThomas]

Yeah the stats can always be tweaked and improved next patch.

[@twodayrulefan]

There is that.

[@Sleepingdruid37]

I swear I feel like they increase the price of units for the cool factor alone. I’m looking at you, Eltharion and Stormwing.

[@KommissarAlexander]

Hey Indy, when do you think this game will be as polished as TWW2 once was? Are we still a year+ away?

[@mrdomomrdomo]

question to the community, is it worth buying the previous installments of the game or will i miss out on anything buy not buying TW 1 and 2, or will i get everything if i buy 3?

[@timeforthehammer1401]

Had no idea they nerfed the imcarnate elemental so dirty. It was a great unit that was rarely used but now it's an okay unit that'll never be used...

[@j.g.6085]

Aha are you talking about sp ? In mp it was used all the time

[@milkandcookiesTW]

its still a good unit, especially in campaign. it should never have been Unbreakable in the first place

[@hoquangdat656]

the only usage of these monster is their Siege attacker trait with 1 turn global recruitment.

[@Sleepingdruid37]

Yeaah.. I’ve been trying to justify it by it’s mobility and disrupting attack animations, and since it’s hits single target decently.. also has some collision damage charging through units. But damn it’s a steep price for flavor. The animations send whole formations flying but it feels like just one model is being targeted or something. Edit: this music is nice - is it from Hades?

[@datboi9648]

Frost Wyrms don’t kill a lot but they can tie up a lot of units with their animations and attacks.

[@LordEsel88]

Seems the implementation of the Frost Wyrm was rushed. Needs a hotfix that adds the Wound trait and some splash damage for its attacks.

[@HomerJSimpson999]

maybe they should give the wyrm the frost breath from the bear. it was kinda ridiculous anyways, that the bear has a breath attack

[@kennyadriangreenwood5421]

Frankly im just impressed by people who can opperate these massive armies When im playing ether i autoresoulve or pick scarbrand and go solo into battles

[@sushanalone]

7:06 lol they are 2 handed Falchions not simitars. Simitar is a heavily curved light one handed blade. usually associated with the middle east and India. Falchion is a wide heavy weapon , good for chopping shields and deliveringheavy blows that hurt even through mail due to concussion.

[@krazhuk]

Never enough Sabaton references!

[@maxanderson8872]

I think the devs said it was meant to be a midgame monster for campaigns. Probably needs tuning and price change for MP

[@QuestionableObject]

How does the frost wyrm not have frostbite/frost aura?

[@eolson955]

And that's why you dont blob your units up kids

[@Shkzzzz]

Regarding the animations and the size of this beast, I guess making it unflankable with more mass could be an easy solution

[@dougdimmedome5552]

They are decent against single units but to make the frost wyrm work you have to treat it like a chariot, it has a really good charge animation that chunks threw infantry when given a chance but requires micro. Both the ice bear and this guy though have been generally disappointing single entities in combat.

[@drlsword]

Would love the frost wyrm a breath attack

[@joaogomes9405]

I love the balancing approach they've taken with the shadow of change dlc. Release hilariously busted stuff, and then also release worthless trash to balance that out. Yin, yang.

[@Rohtix]

Kinda weird. I wonder if its animations can be tweaked for it to perform a bit better.

[@Amenema]

I think it's wild how everyone expects it to be this insane monster. It's a tier 2 unit you can recruit in 1 turn. We gonna complain about Kossars next?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

its literally bugged mate, confirmed by CA which I was not aware of, but proves the point all the same. I dont believe the expectation is for it to be insane, just for it to at least get closer to the 1450 price tag and statline on its unit card. But with a ginormous hitbox, animation jank that causes it to take a bunch of extra damage, bugged mass and splash attacks, it isn't doing that. So thought I'd point it out in a fun little battle

[@Fastwinstondoom]

I'll take a stack of Frost Wyrms over Sky Lanterns or Drums anyday.

[@DinisF97]

As soon as I saw the Frost Worm announced to the Kislev roster I instantly thought it was going to be a copy paste of the skaven brood horror. I was utterly excited and genuinely wondering if it was time to buy the DLC. Dissapointed so much I decided its not worth it. Kislev already has the incarnate elemental of beasts to specialize in anti infantry and prolonged combat so it'd only make sense for the frost wyrm to fill in the gaps and specialize in anti large and hit-and-runs, so I hope the devs give it more charge bonus. But i guess CA is too busy focusing on spectacle to think about unit roles and army composition, which sucks for a game that could so easely stand the test of time where they to put just a little bit more effort.

[@Skaven_is_greatest]

I have more faith in my state troops than this ice worm.

[@pheonox7197]

How is it as a mount though?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

Katarin's chariot is absolutely insane, so no real reason not to take that. mount seems to have the same issues as the base unit

[@amadeuszjankowski9212]

Increase it's speed with mass and make it a SEM chariot.

[@unukbigwall2279]

and, if some one dare to ever say "but giant" GIANT, DEMOLISH the frost wyrm on a 1v1, is more, Giant's may be bad on many match up for being vulnerable to range attack's, but, the moment there is not ranged attack, the giant will trade more than well, not even anti large specialized unit's will be on a good trade, beceaus giant's are really darn good on duel's, but of course, they lowe speed will make them always far from combat, so, at least giant's have to main weakness to keep him balance...some times... But frost wyrm, jojojojojo, is just make much clear that, all the splash damage and animations of many unit's that you see trowing on the air many and many infantry unit's, are just eye candy, beceaus in reality the damage is capped to a maximum of unit's and the damage is devided by each unit hitted, so, this make probably 10 infantry unit's, abble to survive where 2 infantry units alone, will die to the same attack's

[@miloradlukic9277]

Frost wyrm should have smaller size, it is masive and size and have only 7k hp and 400 ws which is sad

[@unnamedenemy9]

How the actual hell can something with that much weapon strength and animations that have it hitting that many models at once do *so little damage!?*

[@NeroAllstar]

Cause it's bugged, which got reported and CA already responded to it.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@@NeroAllstar what did CA say about it?

[@Weberkooks]

Kilk and Mookies

[@milkandcookiesTW]

ok

[@zemo2916]

It’s bugged mate that’s all. No splash or collision right now

[@cango8415]

It was kinda one sided still it was epic and brutal. Love new kislev toys.

[@Dawg2002]

Shame, looks so cool

[@JordanR]

YA BOI

[@Noctani]

The frost wrym is like the 25% slow spell. It can greatly affect the battlefield but the results aren't apparent. The attack animations are greatly disruptive to infantry attacks. The unit is a disrupter and helps cav/range disengage due to frostbite -30% speed. The frost wym allows Kislev to manuever more easily and use concentration of force to win the fight. I realize people wanted to see a hulk smash big damage unit...but that's not what they made and it's very useful. Almost 8K hp for a tier 3 settlement unit is nothing to sleep on. There aren't a lot of tier 3 or below single entities. The eagle, varghulf, manticore, bastilidon, medusa, great taurus, and now frost wrym all have glaring weaknesses. For some reason people are treating it like a tier 4 or 5 single entity. Why, because DLC's tend to have broken over tuned units and the Frost Wrym actually isn't one, but well balanced? It's a support unit.

[@Phoenix-sc6di]

It's a bit stupid to have it toss guys 20 meters and not dmg them thou. Does it deploy cushy snow to save them from the fall?

[@Noctani]

I think you're right. But instead of stupid let us say "unintuitive". The problem is that's not what the general consensus of players say. If people say stupid, bad, ridiculous, or other unspecific words then it takes even longer for the developers to address the issue. Because if very high skill level players are using the Frost Wrym but a large part of the community says it's bad, stupid, ridiculous, or more. Then the developers might just look and say...uhh...looks like a skill issue. They'll figure it out give it time. The player base is only hurting itself. @@Phoenix-sc6di

[@SubZ305]

I mean the Dreadsaurian sucks. Why would this be any different?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

Dread Saurian can actually kill stuff

[@Spencerdoken]

50 kills? On CHAOS MARAUDERS?? Frost wyrm op, CA nerf now pls

[@kanesideram7651]

People need to stop thinking of the Frost Wyrm as a beef cake, and start thinking of it exactly the same as a Brood Horror. It's a fast mid-tier SE which is well suited as a Mount. It's amazing at hit-and-run against light/medium infantry. edit because it was more sassy than I intended too. I enjoy your content, and it's good to have you back.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

editing cuz more aggressive than intended, my apologies. but it does seem like the implication is that is how they were used in this battle (incorrectly, as a beefcake frontliner), which wasnt the case here. ive used them how they should be used in multiple battles and in testing, in my experience their performance is VERY sub par, especially for the price

[@thegreatbookofgrudges6953]

Yeah it should be removed from the game

[@nicklindberg90]

Worst in the game, but first in out hearts

[@meyr1992]

you talk and sound exactly like a destiny 2 youtuber

[@RingtoneBasterds]

Anyone else kinda tired of Kislev winning every one of these? *yawn*

[@milkandcookiesTW]

they're one of the strongest factions in the game currently, so they'll probably win more than they lose

[@RingtoneBasterds]

@@milkandcookiesTW Wow, thanks for replying man. And just to be clear: That comment was in no way meant to be critical of you - more of CA for failing so hard on the endless powercreep that even when putting two expensive, weak monsters in the army, it still wipes the floor with Khorne.

[@Hunko115]

I think the Frost Wyrm should have some extra abilities: - Frozen Terror: Passive If a unit is routing within 50 meter radius of the wyrm they're slowed by -40% - Frost Quake: Active Press the ability button to congeour an AOE damage over time that will linger around the Forst Wyrm for 45 Seconds: - Speed for enemies -40% - Damage similar to Flock of Doom The Frost Wyrm will also have a 65% Missile Resistence as an addition. Frost Wyrm will move up to a tier 4 unit. And cost will increase to 1750 Gold.

[@CommanderBohn]

How to fix Frost Wyrm: >Add +10 to Melee Attack >Add Anti-Infantry and Anti-Large >Increase a tad its HP >Change its collision since the problem with it is that it can't hit properly enemy units >Add Chilling Aura >Add an ability that slowly decreases enemy LD and vigor Now it's fixed.

[@roland228]

Adding Anti-infantry and Anti-large to a unit is the exact same thing as increasing its Melee Attack and Weapon Strength.

[@fidelcashflow4940]

They just need to fix its hit boxes and behaviors, and maybe give it a unique aura like you said, it's clearly just broken (in a bad way) and juicing it's stats won't fix that

[@JanJansen985]

It has thr broken lizardman monster problem, it shows its ass in duels so the enemy gets free back attack

[@Weberkooks]

@@roland228I know right I almost thought this guy was trolling but I think he's dead serious maybe this is the guy who gave the incarnate flock of doom and anti large

[@Weberkooks]

Man I'm glad your not in charge of balancing adding anti infantry and anti large like why the f*ck would you ever do that just buff its MA and WS. and chilling aura AND some hypothetical ability rhat lowers vigour on a TIER 3 monster? ridonkulous

[@snobarilkabeer]

Video games are digital toys, so when I play, I play for fun and whatever looks good and cool. So when they die or I lose a match, I don't run to a spreadsheet and try to find where I could work the math so that every game plays exactly the same by playing the same units the same way, every time. Kind of kills the fun when you try to min/max something like a digital toy.

[@TheJinnobi]

I knew this channel was going downhill when this guy hopped aboard the hate train for Shadows of Change, instead of expressing concern with maturity and restraint. A video this absurdly hyperbolic, however, just shows how far some "influencers" will stoop; the video equivalent to doomposting. 8k HP, 445 WS ~66% AP, 75 speed, 50 charge, 48 attack w/ Frostbite mod, 80 AC A low 35 WD and large hitbox Seems pretty accurate for a mini-dragon. The only direct buff that I can think of that wouldn't be overkill would be a short-term, strong knockback "penguin slide" that would allow it to escape being surrounded by infantry using its icy body to slide through infantry formations. And even that may be too much of an ask. A more appropriate, indirect buff would be a slight cost reduction.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

I dont think you'd be able to accurately articulate my position on Shadows of Change even if you tried. because this comment does not reflect reality at all. as for the Frost Wyrm itself, the unit card stats are fine, I explicitly mentioned that in the video. they dont reflect how the unit actually performs. it is very bad, especially for the price

[@TheJinnobi]

@@milkandcookiesTW Why would I even attempt to articulate your opinion when you've done so yourself? Obvious bait. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIuqiat5grOUZrM As for the Frost Wyrm, you said in the video and in text that its stats are fine, but keep insisting that its a bad unit because... hitbox? lack of huge splash attack? NO PURPOSE?! --> Cry about power creep? --> Cry when there is no power creep? no, wait... --> Cry about Warhammer 3! I admit that it does appeal to the typical forum troll that resides on the official website forums, and I'm sure it gets you lots of clicks. But realize what you traded for the attention. You used to genuinely enjoy Total War: Warhammer. Now you blame CA because you don't, when the real issue is your own burnout.

[@TheJinnobi]

​@@milkandcookiesTW You deleted my reply?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@@TheJinnobi I have not touched your reply, ill check incase it was moved to Spam or something but I haven't seen it

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@@TheJinnobi yeah it was moved to Spam because of the link, just reinstated and will respond when i get a chance

[@heekychad6427]

The frost wyrm isnt that bad u are just using it wrong, its perfect to completely disrupt enemy formation and then charge in with elite infantry or elite cavalry and the unit is pretty mush dead

[@milkandcookiesTW]

did you watch the battle? in what way am I using it wrong. it was used in concert with infantry and/or cav, as a support unit, in every single engagement this battle. I know how to use it, the unit is bad, especially for the price

[@heekychad6427]

@@milkandcookiesTW well someone took that personally

[@milkandcookiesTW]

​@@heekychad6427 I just dont agree with what you said, and you didn't provide any logic/facts for the claim you made. If I'm using it wrong, feel free to explain how. It isn't a complex monster lol, it is literally bugged. Apparently CA has already confirmed that, so I'm not sure why you're defending its honor

[@heekychad6427]

@@milkandcookiesTW Jesus get your priorities fixed, but fine have it your way. 1) "defending its honor" what the fuck are u talking about? its an viedeogame their is no honor to defend. 2)didnt think i need to explain it to a grown ass man who earned money by playing games but ok. You need to babysit this Unit, cycle charge consistent into flank like a chariot with this slide animation, has not the dmg output from a good chariot true but more tanky and its an ABSOLUTE havock on the battlefield especially in domination mode, it will not get the dmg value up also true but its an fucking stradegy game dmg value is not everything their are so many more aspects the game cant value. You didnt do any of that just: "big blob get in their fucker" the hole fight was a fucking mess, you showcased the animations good but thats it. 3) "Isnt that bad" doesnt mean its a good unit but also not that bad as you claim it to be, little lower than middle ground. 4) bug not confirmed jet, neither from CA or the community, just searched it up looks more like people are not sure about it need more testing. 5)But in the end i think it really doesnt matter what i say because its not about the unit here more like i hurt someones big ego by the simple statement "using it wrong" dude get over it, if u dont agree with me completely fine by me but it goes both ways, now have a wonderful day.

[@Marder-vl2gq]

tbh i dont understand the visual design of the frost wyrm. it looks like a cathay dragon and something from kislev

[@roland228]

That's why Tariff memed about the Frost Wyrm being the offspring of the missing Shen-Zoo.

[@fidelcashflow4940]

It's a Wyrm, Eastern Mythology doesn't have a monopoly on serpentine flightless dragons lol

[@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass]

Slavic dragons are closer to snakes than traditional western dragons. This is a brilliant interpretation of those myths.

[@woodlands_]

Maybe it should be anti large in addition to fixing the hitbox considering the bear is anti infantry and the beast elemental is also anti infantry now.