The Tragedy of Springans

[@Omnicrom]

As MBT himself said, basically no formatting history has been conclusively solved. No doubt someday someone is going to revisit an old format and build a little community and discover that actually yes, Springans were top tier and everyone just missed them. So it goes.

[@Rynjinivar]

Ehhhh. I played a good chunk of Springans a while back, and the issue with the deck is that it's too fragile, and the payoffs aren't blow-outy enough to make up for that. When your deck is accessing Auroradon to end up on two points of interruption it's pretty yikes. A lot of its strongest cards are reactive, and they're too "fair". They don't play on the opponent's turn at all for the most part. They have like 3 different in-archetype Raigekis but existed in a format where destroying the opponent's cards was minimally impactful, and often detrimental.

[@Masterslam999]

I have a friend that has played every single variant of spriggans that has ever existed. It's not a good deck. It has good cards, sure, but it's stopped very easily with both common handtraps and boardbreakers.

[@hootclesia]

@@Rynjinivar Part of this is completely wrong. The part of it being fragile is true, but the deck's payoff was incredibly high when circular was still legal.

[@robertomuscara5054]

The deck can have really great pay-off and with the recent armor cards it can even play after the common boardbreakers, the problem with springs is the inability to go second

[@Jaggrias]

​@Rynjinivar You're correct about the archetype being too fragile but it does have solid payoffs.

[@sirknightjcb9310]

Poor Springans. At least they got 1 devoted fan, who is a moon spider.

[@winter945]

Don't worry I am building it today for locals, can't wait to go x-3, but at least I can say tally-ho

[@Createrz2015]

Everhtime you play Tally-ho you gotta say it with enthusiasm

[@مرتجىصفاءاحمد]

Unironically the deck is pretty fucking strong for an archetype that no one knows a lot of interruptions a great follow-up interesting gameplay and a non linear play style

[@winter945]

@@Createrz2015 I have the enthusiasm of an old Yorkshire man chasing down a penguin riding on a model railway whenever I activate it

[@Createrz2015]

@@winter945 good

[@pablorosada9788]

Spriggans does have a catastrophic weakness in the fact that it lives and dies by resolving champion sargass. And it's not like it's dead in the water if it can't or anything, but the capabilities of the deck go down dramatically without it.

[@shirosaki97]

True, though through playing Springans I've found a very funny habit people make. They tend to negate Merry Maker because they look at her foolish burial effect and panic negate it, only to have a surprised pikachu face when I just don't care about it. XD It's still devastating though yeah, I still think Springans are pretty great, but they need support from other places to shine, Branded and a Mirrojade package are pretty awesome to use as a fallback in Springans and the new Horus support from Phantom Nightmare also fits in nicely with them.

[@dapokermon5102]

The Dawn of Majesty Prog Playoffs episode showed me how fun Springans can be (even though Prog is a slower format)

[@eddisonclarke3092]

It was a Graveyard based multi-card combo deck in a format where Kashtira existed. Doesn't matter how insane Tally-Ho is when it isn't doing the broken effect

[@Pleia_Ds]

Vanquished Soul Springans is unironically sick

[@kronik658]

People pretty much refuse to play decks if there is not already a decent player base for them. It's really hard to get correct deck building ratios/combo lines/side board patterns if you are building by yourself with no external resources to reference.

[@TylerMcVeigh1]

TheDuelLogs Springans pilled me and while I love this deck it's just too fragile. It's basically open Gold Golgonda, one of your 6 to 9 (nice) searchers for Gold Golgonda, or set Rockey and pass. You can set up some nasty boards with disruption for days when it does work though.

[@Void-rj3sq]

I mean, any 2 level 4 also does basically full combo, and with both in-archetype (Kitt) and out of archetype (scrap, SHS) ways to make rank 4s, you have a pretty good amount of starters

[@Linkiscool115]

I played springans for a bit, it was even better when the superheavy support came out when i discovered wakaushi was a starter by itself without needing gold golgonda. It unfortunately died with scarecrow being banned and i havent found a way to make it good since that banlist.

[@strangevol5264]

Don’t worry, there are plenty of ways to send Soulpiercer, you just gotta keep cooking.

[@tinypokemon6655]

Yeah you can just normal and synchro off for an 8 but it eats your normal summon but you get a pendulum scale and a search out of it

[@Linkiscool115]

@@strangevol5264 alright, I'll keep trying.

[@Linkiscool115]

@@tinypokemon6655 fair, the normal summon never really mattered so that's not a huge deal.

[@gatocochino5594]

''when I discovered'' what??? springan/therion package was standard in SHS once the support was released.

[@giantstrawman543]

I think it's telling that most of the comments are talking about cyber stein and SHS and not, like, Exblowrer. Most of the people who picked up the deck picked it up because they heard "soul charge", not because they wanted to actually resolve the second effect of gold golgonda.

[@gatocochino5594]

Yeah it's almost like exblowrer control wasn't a competitively viable deck in 2021. That's the same year tri-brigade, vw and drytron were meta. Springans power level is more comparable to a 2016 deck like ABC.

[@dededemanreal]

Yeah its almost as if they found a strong engine that people don’t know very well and want to see if theres a way to make it as viable as possible instead of playing their shitty pet deck pure in a thread and comments section about potentially competitively viable decks

[@Jaggrias]

Exblower IS a strong card, I summon it pretty consistently going second. Wakaushi and Stein served two completely different purposes within the deck than exblower, those examples just aren't comparable at all.

[@anthonymooney-gm9dm]

@@Jaggriasoh hey, you must actually play Springans 😂 weird how many people comment yet obviously don't play the deck currently. I personally feel comfortable challenging any deck of the format. I promise you won't feel like Springans is an easy W when I'm done with you

[@nonmicrowaveabletoad]

Patiently waiting for Spriggans' strongest warrior, Jaggrias, to make an appearance here

[@Jaggrias]

I am here with you brother

[@satorugojo6229]

@@Jaggrias Hi my friend.

[@Rob2512053]

As an archetype it's on the level of Abyss Actor, it does a thing and it does it well and consistently but what it's doing isn't super impressive. Still my favorite way to play Albaz so that's all I need

[@__-be1gk]

They would have topped if we got Springans Banger

[@deboltteamenlight3480]

Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Spriggans the close?

[@EvilMyself]

Only time I see Springans is in lvk sub replays

[@Anotherbaka999]

As much as I love the deck I must say, the dependency on the field spell is a great weak point Some matchups are straight up unwinnable on the basis of your opponent having consistent access to a way to remove it Playing it alongside rank 4 engines may help by giving you access to sargas without golgonda but that still depends on your opponent not knowing that merrymaker is not their ash target

[@thejuggernight1406]

it is strong even right now... I get memed on in my discord servers for the only one who plays it. it has flex spots pivots from specific handtraps at would be choke points the main issue is its main combo needs cards in hand you aren't doing anything off of one card but it isn't that big of a deal you set up and you always have the hand size and at the start of the game you obviously do as well. it does one thing it turbos rank 4s and it does it pretty well. it grinds really well it has in engine interaction that can come back every turn it has access to OTKS ways to play around nib and occasionally it just plays around droll. nobody plays it nobody looked at it when it could scythe lock lancea dweller (for a week). even now it can do anything from put out 3 removal spells nib in hand and a raffleisa to just calamity locking. people don't play it... the armored stuff game us ways to beat DRNM and gave us really novel removal we can reuse occasionally as well. I wouldn't call it a super competitive option right now but it does actually have a lot going for it

[@Ragnarok540]

Even in MD where Aurordadon is legal and this deck can summon it pretty easily, no one plays it.

[@ToxicRenegade]

I'm thoroughly convinced Springans strongest soldier is Sapphire Pegasus

[@HumanoidCableDreads]

I played this deck and did really well at locals, but Cyber-Stein's ban killed the deck.

[@Linkiscool115]

I played springans, and I'll be honest, the cyber-stein ban didn't matter to me, what mattered more was superheavy samurai scarecrow being banned.

[@zariygo]

I tell you, it's because Springans didn't have a waifu. If they made Sargass a waifu EVERYBODY and their mother would have played the deck. Kitt doesn't count, it's more branded support.

[@vyrax401]

Wdym, springans exblowussy best waifu

[@zariygo]

@@vyrax401 exblowussy these nuts

[@thaillysonmorgan9420]

Kitt

[@bolobre4th]

When people revisit this era in like 10 years new players will read tally-ho and question constantly why this deck wasn't viable, kinda like they do with decks like pacman in goat or Amaryllis Burn in Edison

[@chaotixthefox]

And the answer will once again be "It's not that it wasn't viable, it just wasn't played"

[@aether6293]

Just you wait till PHNI, i will create Goblino Spriggans and nobody cant stop me!!!

[@thaillysonmorgan9420]

Need a good normal summon

[@shirosaki97]

Springans is like the perfect 'for fun' deck in YuGiOh for me, I usually find myself having a lot of fun with them, even if they're not necessarily good, and even then I think they're not bad and can be played at a rogue level, it's just they're not quite there to have hit meta.

[@thezestylime0989]

problem is it's just a little too bricky. your guys don't really do anything without the field spell, they really just want a normal summon that does anything, and or an extender in the form of a monster

[@HateZentraleTCG]

We need Springans Support

[@renaldyhaen]

Currently trying the Springans Time Thief with Mathmech. This deck can do a real 1-card combo and end with multiple disruptions. But it has the same problem with Branded, 1 Ash, or any handtraps, it will ruin the entire strategy. I can make the deck more resistant to the hand traps, but this is far weaker, both the full combo without disruptions or when the opponent drops something. . This deck didn't really have a good recovery if you trying the best build. Because most cards to make this deck better are non-archtype cards. . But this actually had someplace the first time they got new support in OCG.

[@anthonymooney-gm9dm]

I've been playing it for a few months now and I've won multiple locals in a row. I can't get to any bigger events due to work schedule, otherwise you'd see it pop up a couple times in top cuts 😉

[@someguylivingonearth1727]

The sad thing is that the monster designs are very cool. This deck just needs to fix it's issues with being too fragile or make cards that make you end board worth the risk.

[@JusSageMakes]

I love springans I wanna make them god teir, It can happen I believe.

[@sepheiba]

no hype, no best deck

[@Kumo-s6f]

Springans have just always lost to the same stuff that were coincidentally good against the top decks. Branded is tier one? They lose to Ash and Imperm too. When Kash was meta? They also lost to Macro on legs and Nib. SHS? Droll murders them as well. And for the newest format, not only do they have all that shit to content with, but Fire ain't losing to Regulus and a Drident.

[@mujigant]

Where's the rest of the clip?

[@OgreSayrone]

Yugioh players on mass aren’t creative, they net deck and just play what ever someone who actually put time and succeeded with played.

[@Hungryfox1]

Yeah that's why the last YCS was won by a deck that no one ever played Oh wait

[@user-yq3bv9rf9b]

Making decks aren't as easy as just chucking in cards that have synergy. You need alot of knowledge in the game to know which cards these decks need which not alot of players have. Not to mention you have to learn how to play it and deck testing tends to need a day or two to judge how strong the deck is and if the deck is not good enough you're going back to the drawing board and find more cards that actually fits the deck then it cycles and repeat until you find the right cards to finalize your deck so i don't blame people for netdecking because making a new original deck is hard especially if the deck you are making is not meta at all.

[@Navelia]

"Netdecking" has hardly anything to do with this, the thing is that YGO is a very complicated game with a shitload of moving pieces and an even bigger shitload of possible combinations of such pieces. A format's lifespan is never going to be long enough for players to figure out every possible thing that could be done under the sun inside such format's limits, let alone have the time and resources to not only put it to tests in events, but to generalize such and such strategy to the broader playerbase. Standardization, which makes both netdecking and the emergence of a meta possible in the first place is an inevitability and the info at our disposal will always be partial and incomplete from this angle

[@bernardosales1044]

​@@Hungryfox1yeah see that's the thing, it happens only once in a blue moon, and it's always a pro player. Pro players don't often divulge a lot about techs or rogue contender decks, even though they do know what's currently cooking This wasn't just random john yugioh winning a YCS with a sleeper deck, this was Joshua Schmidt playing a Runick variant

[@WhipLash42o]

Yeah thats what it was. It couldn't possibly be that the deck was just incredibly mid lmfao.

[@Kris_King]

My first ever locals win was with Springans. Beating Traptrix, Blackwing, swordsoul and runick naturia. Then Cyber-Stein got banned cz screw you SHS.

[@WinterGray8888]

The reason no one played it is because 2 fucking days before the new stuff came out the fucking ishizus got limited and the deck was worthless

[@taphy4873]

It’s so fun too 😭

[@ovelhadogelo]

480p Gang.

[@Merilirem]

There are always decks like this. People don't have the time to try out everything.