MC58: A USMC Semiauto Trainer 22 for the M14

[@charlesgarey5723]

I received my great grandfather's Leatherneck when he passed away. It's such a smooth shooting little rifle.

[@pmag0685]

I work 5pm-6am by the time I get to bed in the morning, that days video is released, it’s my ritual to watch it before I fall asleep

[@dcwillis87]

Patrick McGuire same here. Different work hours but I lay down at 6am every morning.

[@roempoetliar7995]

and stranded on quantum theory video at 4am

[@LEWTSPEC]

same!

[@piotrwoznica9100]

I'm usually eating lunch to Ian's stuff :)

[@sappypngn]

Right there with you, Bud. Getting ready to sleep now.

[@yemao1852]

"Micro-14"

[@Statusinator]

I can't wait for them to chamber an M14 in 2.7mm Kolibri and dub it the "Nano-14"

[@parrotraiser6541]

The return spring for that would have to come from a ballpoint pen.

[@Austin-5098]

"Miniscule-14"

[@TheDirtyvermonter]

I'm pretty sure the micro 14 was the 10/22

[@biohazard3remake862]

I love 22lr firearms. It's what I grew up training on. First rifle I ever shot was a Marlin Model 60.

[@Mr.Schitzengigglez]

Mine was a model 20. Still have that, and my second, which was a mossberg 350b.

[@foureye7058]

I've personally always had a preference for something larger, but I'm absolutely smitten with the simple design and finish of this one...

[@biohazard3remake862]

I like larger calibers as well. I just think for teaching someone the basics of marksmanship a 22lr is hard to beat.

[@henriksandstad480]

The first gun I ever shot was a over-under 12 gauge shotgun

[@evooff]

The first weapon I ever shot was a 7.62x39 RK-62M

[@forestschultz5740]

I have the Leatherneck my great grandfather bought new. I still have the original receipt from the hardware store in Baltimore he got it from in 1947. It's quite clean for it's age. He was a large man, 6'6", and must have desired a large varmint gun.

[@commanderfoxxv7433]

I remember this was actually the first gun I ever owned. My uncle got me one when I turned 13, and I must've put 1000 rounds through that thing before I moved on to something better. I know it's not the best, but it'll always hold a special place in my heart.

[@death13820]

I get to work at 5:30-6 AM. I get my truck and head to the asphalt plant. By the time I get there I can drink my coffee, Watch Forgotten Weapons and wait for the plant to start making materials. Thanks Ian!!!

[@Mr.Schitzengigglez]

Couldn't sell them back then. Nowadays, there are more buyers than sellers. Hard to shell out $1500+ for a .22, but I want one.

[@jonmeray713]

Hes clearly talking about training rifles. Not 10/22s

[@kylelaughinghouse1893]

I own a Anschutz .22 LR Rifle that cost a little more than that

[@Mr.Schitzengigglez]

@Kyle laughinghouse My .22 rifles aren't worth a lot, but I love them, and they are pristine. Pre-'68 Mossberg 350b, and a Marlin Model 20. I have a highly customized GSG 522-SD, but that's just for fun.

[@bikecommuter24]

Best 22 rifle I ever owned.

[@Mr.Schitzengigglez]

@@johnanon6938 both, my Mossberg, and my Marlin run S/L/LR. But that looks like it would outlive the cockroaches.. Must be super stable, and accurate with such a heavy barrel.

[@Smokin78Squire]

I've been hoping for a video like this for a while now. I picked up an M65 earlier this year, and being a WW2 history nut, it not only fits my collection perfectly, but is also surprisingly accurate, and a lot of fun to shoot. Even has what I believe is the original 1943-dated leather sling, which is quite dry, but still serviceable. Great video, Ian!

[@AlexOsha]

@00:47 - Got WW1 on your mind? 😉

[@glockerbob]

Good catch.

[@mikes1345]

I acquired a model 65 from my friends estate a few years ago. Its in the 2600 range serial number. Quite fun to shoot. This video really helped to learn more about these type of rifles.

[@CurtisDrew1]

I bought a Mossburg Civilian version of this rifle in 1964 called a New Haven 250 with 10 round magazines and all. Doesn't have the peep sight or the shielded front sight. The charging is done with a big pen on the slide. Other than a lot lighter and simpler it looks a lot like this rifle. Still shoots well. I keep it my 4x4 as a survival tool.

[@matthayward7889]

Handsome little rifle, just strange more effort wasn’t made to duplicate the M1 controls

[@seabee12333]

@@TheRealColBosch yep! trigger, safety, sight picture, weight, semi auto

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

Wow, it's one of the best looking .22LR rifles I've seen. It's got some real clean lines to it.

[@3ducs]

I have one of the Model 65s, they are quite nice. Heavy .22s. That hammer spring tension can be adjusted for different velocity ammo via the rear threaded plug.

[@seabee12333]

I got one of these last year. It was for sale at my local gun shop. what an incredible little rifle! I got it with what looks like a WWII S.M. Co.(1943?) sling and a magazine that was for some other gun. Serial number 75xx. The stock had a stamped "85" and "NTC", the barrel has a tiny 85 stamp as well, under the parkerizing. it also has an Ordinance acceptance cartouche on the pistol grip part of the stock. It shoots better than I do. it only likes greased ammo...

[@DudeInWalmart]

Should have made 8 round enblock in 22lr.

[@Statusinator]

*ᴾᴵᴺᴳ*

[@bbainter7880]

I have the commercial version of this rifle (dubbed "the leatherneck"). Very well made .22s.

[@billhusk8569]

Really cool i have a m165 letherneck , it was pretty trashed when i got it so i refurbished it and threaded dlit for a supressor , its a awsome little rifle

[@stephensmith4480]

What a cool Rifle. I had never heard of one till now.

[@sarjim4381]

That gun seems to share a lot of things with the H&R Model 700 .22 magnum I had when I was a kid in the late 1950's. It was a sweet gun for varmint hunting and I wish I still had it.

[@aethertech]

The 700 is just a scaled up version.

[@MasterOfHelium]

This 22LR training rifle reminded me that USSR had designed a training machine gun, also chambered in 22LR, to train Maxim MG crews. I wonder if Ian ever gets to review it.

[@technicalfanoftechtastisch3063]

My great-grandfather told me a story about how he was equipped with a 22lr training rifle for battle

[@robertbogan225]

Damn the must have been weird "why are my bullets so tiny?"

[@titan_kirk]

I used to have a Mossberg and son m-46 bolt action 22. I know that it was actually used as a trainer rifle for the US military to train on the 1903 Springfield and the 1917 Springfield

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian.

[@hondansx1000]

I learn't how to shoot and maintain one of these, however our cadets program at school had ours converted into single shot bolt action variants which was weird because once we passed all the weapons handling tests we moved onto SA80s (I'm english btw)

[@hk_4014]

I have one of these they are super accurate. They are fantastic target rifles.

[@aethertech]

The Reising 22LR (and by extension the 22WMR) magazine is perfect.

[@johnknoneborg]

Nothing beats a .22 I swear. You can have a ton of fun with any .22 and it just beats out everything.

[@CandidZulu]

Airguns are fun too!

[@bwcmakro]

Eh, different strokes. Big booms need love too.

[@alexmoore1506]

Makro plus I doubt I’m going to carry a .22 lol

[@someguy5444]

What about 9mm, super cheap and you can get almost any gun for it.

[@kylelaughinghouse1893]

@@someguy5444 not cheaper than.22 and there isnt a big market on 9mm carbines especially when the hi point 9mm carbine is consider the better performing 9mm carbine

[@goshnodo]

I have a very similar rifle to this, to training rifle from 1976 bolt action 5 round detachable mag in .22 caliber. I believe it was a trainer for the M40 or the Winchester 70 I can't quite remember.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Pretty cool! Thanks Ian

[@Paleoman]

loved your video and walk thru at verdun. What carnage!

[@Martinlegend]

that Concept remembers me of the East German Mp-KK the 22lr version of the Mpi-km (East german Akm)

[@AKS-74U]

Ian! Do the Huot LMG! We need a video featuring a real one instead of the Battlefield 1 videos. Plus all examples reside in Canada

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very Cool training rifle. I would love to have one of those in my collection.

[@fastmongrel]

Looks like you would get splinters off that woodwork. Makes a stick look high quality

[@bikecommuter24]

my evening ritual, a cup of green tea and a Forgotten Weapons video

[@arkha7417]

many thanks for korean subtitles! Yet we have no idea whose kindness it is

[@MeatHarmonica]

hey great video! I picked on of the model 65's up a few months ago for 100$ at a local gun shop. it was loved buy a kid for years as he etched his initials in the stock and cut off the side tangs on the front sight. I have throughly cleaned it and restored it back to its original configuration as best I can; although I cannot seem to find a replacement front sight anywhere. If anyone has a lead or a spare they'd like to part with Id greatly appreciate it.

[@jamesbecker3203]

Please do the spp-1 or APS underwater guns

[@szuhoj9969]

Ian, could you please add links to the description about the other guns you mention and have a video about them? It would be helpful for a lot of new or occasional viewers and even for guys like me who have missed a few videos or havent watched all the really old ones yet. Otherwise keep up the good work! Greetings from Hungary (the country where owning a gun for anything other than hunting is harder than finding a real Hellrigel) Oh and shooting ranges usually charge around 4$/5.56 ammo :D

[@ShinobiHOG]

My dad went through navy boot camp in Chicago in 1975. He told me that in his 20 years in the navy he only fired one rifle and it was at that boot camp and it was a .22lr. I wonder if this was the rifle model my dad shot at boot camp in 1975 haha cool

[@tykellerman6384]

Thanks Ian good video

[@chubbycatfish4573]

That stock looks nice.

[@noneed4me2n7]

I inherited a Remington 550-1 .22 semi auto rifle from my dad (Vietnam era army vet) that he said was an “army training rifle”. I can’t find any documentation on this and sadly can’t ask him when where and how he got it. It’s been around since I was very little (born 74) and the last time he took it out I was probably 15 and it jammed after every round. Taking it to a gunsmith for service, but the fit and finish is surprisingly good considering my dad just kept it in a closet most of my life. If you have any info on whether that model was ever used as a military trainer I’d appreciate any info you or others in the comments can provide. If your busy and never see this I get it but it never hurts to try.

[@user-kk2uu2rq7x]

Hi, zry to bother you but could you do an in depth description of a Stevens model 85A rifle? I have searched n seen other channels talk bout it but they have very little to no actual info on the rifle. So i thought might as well ask an expert like yourself. Since i already enjoy your videos n how you give in depth knowledge of the weapons origin, maker, quality n reliability of the firearm that you happen to be talking bout for the day. Hope to see another one of your vids soon. 😊

[@michaelsanteler2746]

That's a nice rifle.

[@icantranch9398]

That is the cutest magazine I've ever seen

[@davidruppel1216]

I have one from WWll and it shoots so sweet. It is very accurate and it has killed hundreds of gray diggers, rabbits and anything else that attempted to attack me.

[@billsummy2412]

Wish someone would remake this rifle ...I would buy it in a heart beat ! :-)

[@LordEvan5]

Super as always

[@francotemplet7313]

My Gramps picked up a low millage 'Leatherneck' back in the '60's. GI surplus, probably paid 20 bucks or so. It came to me in 1980 after he passed. My eyes are not great, so I added a scope for zapin' squirrels. The rifle is a freaking tack driver. So many head shots the Squirrels called me 'The Assassin', put out contracts for both me AND the rifle. It's now in the hands of a 3rd generation of shooters. 4th if you count the GI's it trained. This rifle is the G.O.A.T., I've never found better on the civilian market. I picked up another one for 4 bills at a gun show around '93 or so. Great gun,, not quite as accurate.

[@stevelinbergbaby135]

MagPro 25 round extended magazines might just fit that beauty🤔

[@andrewczuba498]

Very cool .Thx!

[@loquat4440]

i am surprised it is not obvious why that gun could not make it in the commercial market. I do not believe the trigger pull was given, but I am about 99.9% sure that was terrible trigger for a sporting .22 rifle. Also looked like it has a very long lock time. What works ok on a submachinegun is often not ok on a sporting .22 rifle. Remember .22 rifles are generally fired off hand standing at small and often moving targets. It is easier to handle a bad trigger from prone then standing.

[@timbaskett6299]

"Oysh"...... Now I want a semi auto .22 with a peep sight!!!!! This makes me wish I had fitted a peep sight on my first .22 (a Marlin model 70HC) instead of the Tasco 4x32mm Pronghorn.

[@ianfinrir8724]

I'm almost certain there are peep sights for the Ruger 10/22.

[@danjohnston3422]

That's pretty nice wood for a rifle of that quality...

[@danielalvarez-galan3702]

I almost bought one of these in great condition. The lady selling it wanted $70 I should have bought it.

[@TheRevoltingMan]

I want this rifle.

[@ganryu415]

I'd like to see you do a piece on the Ruger Police Carbine. Not the new PC Carbine that is a best seller, I mean the old one that sold like crap. Maybe compare the two. Also, this gun is a neat piece of history, but I'd still rather have a 10/22.

[@donaldasayers]

Nice gun.

[@DarthMayonnaise2652]

Very cool.

[@Gatman0311]

I’m not a fan of shooting .22LR but, I want this.

[@zacht9447]

I wonder Why more Open bolt conversions don't use a linear hammer like the reising rather than trying to add a rotational hammer

[@kaseyhicks697]

I have a leatherneck model 150. Serial number in the 3 hundreds. What would it be worth?

[@poot111111]

When did the CMP sell these? If I had seen them I would have 2.

[@devincummings1051]

The magazine release is also different from the model 65.

[@jeremy7818]

The best Garand / M14 training rifle was the M1 Carbine.

[@oldmanjones7832]

good looking stock for a service weapon!! nice grain in the butt area.

[@cashotpb]

Cool rifle

[@mohammedcohen]

The Marines invaded Guadalcanal with 1903 Springfields - when the Army relieved the Marines they brought the M-1 with them...

[@robsciuk729]

I believe that Mossberg made a bolt action .22 US military training rifle, Ian do you know anything about that, or have an example of it?

[@keineahnung8696]

Estimate Price: $1,100 - $1,600

[@lyndunn3206]

How much did it sell for at auction? The RIA site says over 10k..... is that true or a miss print?

[@LtJackboot]

Ian, you didn't mention the purpose for the small bit of hardware on the right side of the receiver. Look like some sort of mounting device?

[@aurorawhorealis]

He mentioned that the previous model had the safety there before it was moved to the trigger guard to mimic the M14

[@LtJackboot]

@@aurorawhorealis Ah. thank you

[@rencleavus5213]

That's the bolt stop.

[@LtJackboot]

This would make a fantastic varmint rifle for rural homes

[@chrisrichardson4847]

Mine has M1 sites on the rear

[@kingllort8416]

What is the small screw and slide on the right hand side for

[@rencleavus5213]

That's the bolt stop. It will hold the bolt open.

[@johnwhitley2898]

Cool rifle! Little bit of cash tho...lol! I will have to be content with my Winchester 63 SLR.

[@BigFrakkinOgre]

Nice

[@michaelexman5474]

Imagine a world where all wars were fought with 22 calibre weapons.

[@RaDeus87]

We pretty much are right now, 5.56/.223 and 5.45/.22. But I kinda suspect that you are talking about .22 Long 😉

[@shawnr771]

Imagine a world where we did not have to fight wars at all. Be a better place.

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

Man I bet our great soliders had a big suprise, when they shot that first 30-06 in combat!😂 after training with a .22 lol

[@aurorawhorealis]

They...they shot their issue rifles before deploying.... The .22 trainers were for brand new recruits to get the basics of marksmanship down without developing bad flinch from a full power rifle before moving to more complex skills/tactics with their issue rifle

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

@@aurorawhorealis ok that makes sense. I was going to say that 30 aught would be a surprise lol thanks for the info

[@1999cbr600f4]

:47, i think you meant WWII than WWI, but we understand.

[@SvWarfield]

We stopped training on .22's when they adopted a .22 as the main combat rifle, lol

[@ps2hacker]

That's not that far from the truth. They have a special bolt and magazine that adapts that platform to .22LR, so they can use the same guns, the Air Force used them last time I checked. But I always did think that it made for a piss poor excuse for a battle rifle. And they knew it, they took the time to show us all a picture of a VC that got hit in the kneecap, and ended up with the top of his head blown off, and on about how the tumbling bullets would be just as effective. But then they turned around and reversed themselves with the A2, and it's heavier bullets and faster twist rate. The reason that the A2's M855 steel core ball ammo is called the "penetrator" is just to distinguish it from the A1's steel core "tumblers". Over glorified BB guns, imo. I liked that M-60, I can carve my initials on you at 300 meters with that all day. But if I could have anything I wanted, for a combat rifle now, it would be an FAL or a G3, even though I like the M-14 the best. Or maybe an AKM, it's probably the best all around combat rifle ever devised by man, but they are a bit weak for my own preference.

[@Mr.Schitzengigglez]

You must be as old as my Dad. He's 60, and was a USMC Staff Sgt. I understand why you were taught that the tools you were given were the best, but, sometimes, it just came down to budget.

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

Looks kinda like the Varmint Rifle from Fallout New Vegas

[@Piotwor]

Wouldn't it be beneficial to also duplicate the operation of the M14, not just the front sight and safety?

[@aurorawhorealis]

The safety, sight picture, and handling characteristics would have been most important to be the same, the magazine catch and charging handle location changing isn't really that big a deal and would be simple to switch over from while the important stuff doesn't change.

[@skereein5194]

Yay

[@clark1116]

How did this sell for over 10,000 dollars?

[@butth0le_inspector]

Panzerfaust please Ian

[@109268]

He already did one

[@butth0le_inspector]

@@109268 Really? But i can find it on the channel? Where is it?

[@randywatson8347]

Lol they never knew the recoil they're going in for.

[@CAF51]

Was this also the last 22 training rifle for the US?

[@chrisrichardson4847]

Whats the worth....i have one in amazing condition...just out of curiosity

[@christopherwilcox6967]

You look sad today Ian are you ok?

[@elneutrino90]

I know the objective of these kind of weapons is to get someone to learn marksmanship without the inconveniences of recoil an such, but, wouldn't it be better to give the trainees a firearm with exagerated caliber and recoil so that when they get to shoot with their target weapon (the standard issue of their country) they feel even more comfortable that with their training firearm?

[@zelicopter0071]

they would develop a bad habit of flinching when they pull the trigger and that could carry over to any caliber.

[@MichaelEdelman1954]

No. It’s better to learn marksmanship with a minimum of complicating factors like noise and recoil that lead to bad habits like flinching. That’s true of civilian shooters, too.

[@elneutrino90]

Spanish training rifles (Cetmetón) have the same caliber as the standard issue (Cetme) but in a bolt action package.

[@matthewellis3197]

I need a mag for my leatherneck.

[@liquidocelot5976]

I think all the services went into ww1 with the Springfield lol

[@TheDirtyvermonter]

The 10/22 has more of a m1/ak action then that.

[@charlesrichardson4032]

My father left me one from one

[@terryyocumiii9645]

That's because we are different ian, lol.

[@TheOriginalZimmy]

do want