Why doesn't the Trinity Doctrine make logical sense? | Dr. Shabir Ally answers

[@abzinho10karim25]

Shabbir is just another wonder we Muslims should be grateful to . May Allah make him a dweller of jannat ul firdaus in the hereafter..Ameen

[@rickz3543]

He is a messenger of Satan

[@wakeup6953]

​@@rickz3543 did u try to think ur belief? We Muslim read ur bible and Qur an.and u christian didn't read ur bible..how come u have courage to debate us🤣

[@1beniao]

IAOSHUA said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. Yoḥanan (John)‬ ‭4:21‭-‬23‬

[@eatwellnesshalalalternativ4602]

When they wrote the bible they never expected people to actually study it, they expected us to listen and recieve...glad I'm Muslim where it all makes sense.

[@Nxsai]

It all makes sense, eh? How do you go to heaven?

[@Nxsai]

@mohsingalani If it all makes sense, I mean. Why not?

[@Nxsai]

@mohsingalani No Muslim knows the answer to my question, lol

[@bstlybengali]

@@MoneyMuscleMastery38 how old are you? 6? or 12? ok there is no way you are older than 13 lol

[@bstlybengali]

lol true

[@randoms3437]

why the Christian find it soo difficult to understand Jesus is not the son of GOD instead he is a honourable servant, slave and messenger of GOD...!!!

[@acdacd5860]

Why is it so easy for Muslims to worship a pedophile Prophet, I believe his name is Muhammad, JESUS, the one with no sin, made the blind see , healed the sick, washed the feet of his disciples,and is still alive, this is why Christians worship Jesus Christ, and by the way your Prophet Muhammad died of poison, why did your God protect Jesus and not your prophet Muhammad?

[@jesusisgod3318]

please wach my video..all the truth is writen in hebrew . all of thora tanak, god mentions about sending his yeshua ..boom then HE came ...here is the proff bereshit bara elohim.....in those two first words of thoara is mentioned yeshua ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ7Rhp6EiZponbc

[@Logia1978]

@@acdacd5860 Muslim do not worship Muhammad...but you worship the holy spirit that gave to the 80 years old Joseph a 12 years old girl named Mary...so what do you think of a paedophile god you worship? I AM NOT even talking about your god in the old testament lol Muhammad died in a natural death... You have no idea what you are talking about..

[@sutil5078]

Jimmy if you are sure say this "Allah if what I wrote here about about Mohammad was a lie paralyze my hand" by the way God said to Prophet Mohammad in the Quran "we are suffice against your mocker " he will deal with you... and it is not rare you get accused of pedophilia at one point of your life but if you are sure do that little prayer show us your confidence

[@biblefeast]

Quiz for you. What Christians surrounded Muhammad during his early years, that influenced his beliefs?

[@qayoomsediq2013]

Shabir ali Love and respect from AFGHANSTAN I want to be like u inshallah

[@InayetHadi]

Qayoom Sediq you can be like him or better InshaAllah. Keep studying...

[@qayoomsediq2013]

Inayet Hadi Thanks bro I will try my best inshallah ❤❤

[@jesusdacoast872]

In chaa Allah, love Afghanistan

[@thomuz6]

I feel very sorry for u guys, u still believe all those lies by Muhammad....

[@mahdiabdulkhaleq8922]

KING Arthur that’s not Islam. The religion you’re talking about called wahabisim and they claim to be Muslims but they’re not. Keep reading and searching brother and I’ll pray for you man. Have a blessed day man

[@zakiramad]

All the videos of Shabbir Ally's debates i have seen, never do Christian scholars address the points he raises and especially in this video, when the Christian scholar has a chance, he chooses not to speak about the trinity and starts referring to books. Same with James White, when having to speak about the trinity in a debate, he starts handing out books. I don't want to judge but given the chances to speak about the trinity, why do they not speak?

[@fidelcatsro6948]

they know it doesn't make sense....

[@aboomohammad]

They never answer the topic o debate them every day. As soon as you raise any doctrinal issue they run away. They start slandering Islam and the prophet saws. Their religion and their aqeeda is very weak.

[@abukid4857]

Muslims claimed Angel Gabriel was the HOLY SPIRIT. You mean to say Angel Gabriel possessed Jesus???? LOL LUKE 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” WHAT'S HARD ABOUT THE TRINITY? It's very simple: The Son was being baptized The Spirit coming down in the form of a dove The Father speaking from heaving saying, "You are my Son, whom I love, with you I am well pleased.

[@zakiramad]

abukid Nothing about the trinity makes sense to me because the questions Shabbir Ally raises, none of the Christian scholars seem to even address that! They digress and thats exactly what you are doing. Pick 2 questions from the video by Shabbir Ally and asses them if the trinity still makes sense to you, then it probably only makes sense to only the people who can't explain or justify it.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Abu kid there is no trinity in the BIBLE!!! grow up and mature up your pokemon fairytale gullible mind! .....Harper Collins Bible Encyclopedia states: the Trinity doctrine is not found in OT or NT of the Bible.......... ...New Catholic Encyclopedia quote on the trinity :''the formula itself does not reflect the immediate conciousness of the period of origins''...''among the epistolic fathers there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective''

[@junkandgunk]

God becoming man (Godman) - Let's see what they do God: *creates Man* Man: *worships God* Godman: *creates and worships himself ???*

[@worfoz]

that's the perfect definition of islam cheers

[@yacinebenchoubane3645]

@@worfoz lol it's not

[@tisko7188]

@@worfoz we don't say that God is human and he died in cross.

[@worfoz]

@@tisko7188 you don't say that god has no needs, instead you insult god claiming he needs us what god needs slaves, lies and terror? islam is a political ideology, and desert demon alla is too needy to be a real god muhamed created desert demon ala, but YOU think demon alla created anything? sorry but demon ala is not even able to create a youtube account

[@andanandan6061]

@@worfoz But He revealed a book in 23 years that is better than your corrupted Bible. Sorry but your demon naked zombie god is not even able to introduce himself properly. That is why thousand of years have passed but christian is still arguing each other to decide how many person in 1 Godhead. They even held a vote to chose God. What a joke. 🤣 😂🤣

[@jasonh4219]

dr:shabier win this debate"😊😊😊 period i worshippe only one God master 7heaven and king of earth!!!!only

[@HasanHasan-mm9vw]

Thank you

[@burnadze]

You ar so biased lmfao It was not even a debate

[@Ballu12345]

May Allah Guide You To Islam

[@ii-es2sn]

@@Ballu12345 add the B islam becomes 'is Lamb' .... The lamb of God... Yesuha... Meaning salvation in hebrew

[@mohdkalamaslampinjar3605]

@@ii-es2sn do a research on that name yesuha the origin of that name in hebrew and aramaic

[@mdtouhidahemed5042]

Dr Shabir Ally ..you are an icon of the muslim world

[@GodsSheepdog]

If all of you truly love and are seeking the Truth of God, I have debated Anthony in email. I answered all his questions, but he could not answer any of mine because I am calling out all the Trinitarians, Unitarians, Oneness, Muslims, and Jews in my work titled, "God's Me, Myself, and I The Truth and Ultimate Truth about the Trinity Conspiracy. If you all are for God's Truth understand this... There are two major reasons why we-to this day-still have refutable debates between the Trinitarians, Unitarians, Oneness, Muslims, and Jews about whom God is-Three, Two, or One-and about who Jesus is-God or Man, or both. The two reasons are; (1) they all deny that God is Male and Female, thus they fail to understand who is God’s Female & Her role within God. (2) They not understanding who is God’s Female causes them to not understand the Two that was One while on earth, but yet were Two, and They are Two in Heaven to this day. In Luke 1:32; Christ Jesus Emmanuel our Lord was given his father David’s throne-meaning he’s David Son, he was named son of David more than 15 times-but in Matthew 22:41-45 the Lord Jesus Christ our God said He’s not David’s Son, “If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?” For this contradiction and others in the bible, God’s Word has been misunderstood. In addition, if The Lord Jesus Christ our God was God Son before He came in the flesh, “Who is His Mother, or, how could God have a Son without a Female?” In Genesis 1:26-27 we read the Image of God is Male and Female, but we are not taught this. Why you ask? Well it is because the Truth of God’s Image according to the bible will destroy Tertullian’s and our doctrine of a Triune God. In Colossian 2: 2, we learn of three mysteries-the mystery of God-and of the Father, and of Christ-and that God want us to come unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of these three mysteries. Again, why is this so important? Because God want us to truly know Him & Jesus Christ. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Understand, "For there are many major differences between The Lord Jesus Christ our God & Christ Jesus Emmanuel our Lord, the Two that was One while on earth, but yet were Two, and They are Two in Heaven.

[@julio14335]

Christians are reading the Bible in their mother tongues, but unfortunately they are understanding the complete opposites of what they are reading. They pray to Jesus, but Jesus according to the gospels prayed to God the Father. My God, i just Keep on wondering which Bible are they reading or which one do they really believe in???

[@he1278]

The church that created the so called trinity , not the bible .. I think !!!

[@ZaZa12745]

I never really understood this "holy ghost" thing. This concept of "trinity" makes absolutely ZERO sense. Even the bible itself doesn't really preach it; in fact, it only preaches strict monotheism.

[@worfoz]

Muhammed was a bit dumb, he did not understand anything so he said Trinity is polytheism. Now all muhammedans are confused. And now science says light is only one thing but sometimes it´s a wave, sometimes it´s a particle. I bet if muhammed knew about this he would say light makes no sense. Reality does not care whether you understand it or not. You know, muslims believe Christians believe in polytheism. This is a problem to muslims. Deal with it. Christians understand and accept this concept. And Christianity does not care whether you understand it or not, as long as you do not lie about it.

[@ianalan4367]

Perhaps an analogy would help for understanding sake: consider lighting a candle in a dark room. You will see a flame; and from that flame there will be light and warmth. These three things; flame, light, and warmth are actually one.

[@sadmanchowdhury9823]

Worfoz you seem unable to have a decent conversation. So I will just avoid your half-wit comment and focus on reasonable person like Ian Alan. Ian Alan, why stop at three, you can also have smoke, burning smell and other things. It's amazing that you guys always stops at three to prove your point. Either you use fire or egg or body soul analogy trinity will never make sense. According to trinity doctrin your have to believe Jesus is co-equal to Father. Well Jesus made sure in New testament that you understand that he is not. He said "father is greater than I" he said the father is the only true god. He said he will be subservient to father. How is that equality?

[@ianalan4367]

It's an analogy Sadman. Would you prefer H2O - one compound that exists in three forms as solid, liquid, and vapor. Fault can be found in that analogy as well as it can in all analogies if we take them past their intended point. I'm sure you get the point. Peace to you and yours!

[@ianalan4367]

No, actually the doctrine of Christianity is not co-equal. It is of one essence. Would you like some references to understand what the religion of Jesus Christ actually proclaims as opposed to what Islam claims it is? There is a significant difference.

[@jking641]

Andy is telling us to read a book (not the bible) to understand God smh! If the inspired writers of the New Testament couldn't explain the trinity how could anyone else?But the point is they NEVER taught it. Shabir won this debate and I'm a Christian. Shabir and Bart Ehrman have both concluded that the New Testament teaches Arianism. The only Christians that teach that are Jehovah's Witnesses. Something to think about.

[@chrissymac5535]

Agree, also a Christian. Only one God. Not 3 in 1.

[@Guttlegob]

Yeah, but Jehovah Witnesses created their version of the bible and literally added words. Especially the word "Jehovah" were it doesn't belong.

[@candyman878david5]

mr shabir your explanation is logical and making sence

[@Mukeet-Khan]

If the Trinity turns out 2 be True. On Judgement Day, I won't even complain or try to logically make my case in front of the Triune Godhead. I will WILLINGLY Throw Myself into the fire. I will happily dive in headfirst. THAT'S How confident I am that it's not True. God gave me a Mind that is capable of Reason, 4 a Reason.

[@Nxsai]

Haha enjoy hell then fool!

[@axelahmed5334]

Hhhhhhh funny

[@eddiemirtille9294]

Only one Spirit of God Almighty ===) Ephesians 4 v 4 To 6. Christ is the Spirit manifested in the Flesh. 1 john 5 v 6. A SPIRIT *over all* ☝️: Christ Spirit of God i.e the Father ===) Romans 9 v 5 *The SPIRIT* *Through all*🙏 : Christ in the Flesh ===) Matthew 1 v 23 *The Body* consisting mainly in water, The rock in the OT: Exodus 17 v 1 To 7 *In all* 👈: Christ the Holy Spirit *the soul* in the blood ===) Galatians 2 v 20, Romans 8 v 9, Leviticus 17 v 11 A sentinelle of Christ appointed by CHRIST Trinity is basically Dagon worship imported by the apostate catholic church ===) 🚮

[@scorpion20dz]

@@eddiemirtille9294 sorry i don't speak noodles

[@eddiemirtille9294]

@@scorpion20dz neither do i. I speak french 😉

[@LawofMoses]

The trinity is a lie that's why it makes no sense. They made up and fed a new god idol into the world when they knew they lost the temple and the priesthood 2000 years ago.

[@abukid4857]

JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, WILL JUDGE YOU ON JUDGEMENT DAY. One of the rules in CHRISTIANITY concerning DOCTRINES is it has to be BIBLICALLY supported. READ THIS and FOLLOW the SEQUENCE: TRINITY in the OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET ISAIAH 48:16 Come ye near unto ME (JESUS), hear this, Not from the beginning in secret spake I (JESUS), From the time of its being (BEFORE CREATION TIME), there [am] I (JESUS), And now the Lord Jehovah (My Father) sent ME (JESUS, the Son of God), and His Spirit. I and Me = the Son of God, JESUS, speaking Lord Jehovah = the Father His Spirit = the Holy Spirit TRINITY in the NEW TESTAMENT MATTHEW 28:18 And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, ‘Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth; 19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them - to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit the Father the Son the Holy Spirit

[@LawofMoses]

abukid You added the name jesus into God's scriptures and so you are a blasphemer. Cut off from God because you sin and make up what you think God would say. Shame on you😯 Repent Do not add to nor subtract from God's word (deuteronomy chapter 4)

[@LawofMoses]

abukid there is your other mistake. You believe God sent Y'hosea whom you now call jesus back from the dead but that simply didn't happen and if you had real roots you'd know that once he was gone rhe covenant he just taught was it and N more would come only the devils would come and sow all their TARES the lies that excuse your sins and cause you to worship the NAME jesus instead of worshipping God alone and obeying him at all times. You followed the thing that cannot help you because Satan made it up and called you all filthy losers contrary to what God has always said we can be if we each choose to follow him and no others.

[@LawofMoses]

abukid matthew 5,7,18,19 Look to deuteronomy that is the book for the real Lost sheep of Isra'el that think they are gentiles but really aren't they are lost Isra'el out here being treated like garbage in this world of slavery and evil.

[@LawofMoses]

abukid Sorry sinner but your a polytheist And that is against God. The very first commandment. Thanks for showing your rotten fruit by calling me names right off the bat I am here to help you not demonize you because you are on the wrong path. Your soul is dark still Worship God the one true creator of all you see.

[@abasnoordin]

1 Believers have a duty to effectively share with humanity all pertinent arguments and proofs about the Truth. 2 It is about multi-lateral communication. It is also about courtesy and friendship to mention two of many requirements. 3 Thank you Shabir Ali.

[@pvvvtjesznhonden9949]

Islam 1+1=2☝️👌logica, Christianity 1+1+1=1 nonsense 🤔😂😂😂🤣🤣😇hahahaha

[@Punkgiver]

1^3=1

[@noumanhussaini]

Obscure Statements in any scripture must be interpreted in the light of CLEAR statements. PERIOD!

[@elijah_godslayer9904]

Quran 18:27 "And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge.". So according to you, scripture should be interpreted in light of clear scripture, always. Then therefore the Quran says no one can change Allah's words and the bible has not been corrupted. I hope you can remain consistent❤

[@siononetic7529]

@@elijah_godslayer9904 No one can change his words means God's message to humanity remains forever unchanged and the same throughout. How humans receive, misinterpret and falsely pass on this message is another matter, however. If I said "the sun is bright today" and you'd interpret this as if the sun is bright today, but can also be dark on other days, then my original words are of course unchanged, but your interpretation and what you will tell others about my claim can differ. I hope you *can't* remain consistent with your misunderstanding of the scripture :)

[@iamwhatever1394]

What if the son had a son, do we now have a Grandfather & Grandson God?

[@burnadze]

Son is a title

[@QuranicRemembrance]

Christianity is polytheistic and not monotheistic.

[@fortimeless3299]

Christianity= Emotions No Sens. Islam= Logic Sens

[@thomuz6]

So kissing a black stone is not a paganism? Allah has 3 daughters, Quran says that. So Islam is polytheism.

[@AD-ji9ci]

@@thomuz6 I would kindly like to suggest that you read verses before and after this supposed 3 daughters verse. The verses right after dispute your point.

[@thomuz6]

@@AD-ji9ci www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/satanic_verses.htm

[@thomuz6]

@@fortimeless3299 what is that logic sense? Do Islam has any sense.. it's full of crap.

[@wakeup6953]

Allhamdullilah now I'm Muslim 🇵🇭☺️

[@bruceorozco777]

Don't embarrass the Filipino people

[@wakeup6953]

@@bruceorozco777 😛😛😛

[@boejiden.11]

for those who feel need that this question needs to be answered more : logically and ratioanally we have been created. we are 'possible beings' because it was possible that we did not come into existance, but now that we are.. Well thank God for that. we can think. we are think-able beings. which is great. and its a blessing. Sowe have been designed in a a way (by the Deisgner, the Creator) to keep on going on in aloop if we begin to think about this question. That loop will always take you back to the Originator, the Necessary being or Waajib being. When understanding that all possible things are brought into existence by a Being who in unlike the possible things, therfore he is Necessary Bieng, and then understanding the qualities and attribute of That Necessary Beings. Islam and Muslims defien that Necessary being ag God/Allah and Allah as the Necessary Being. Other faiths have their own word for God. God chose his name as The Lord (al elaah) in Arabic as that is a language a large portion of mankind anciently and historically have used. For everybody though we are intrested in defining the Necessary Being, whome withou tall things can not exist and all things into existance now depend upon and its not even possible rationally that he can not exist and that it is proven that he has always existed infintely is not even suitable word to describe him.

[@jaredpetersen277]

Because it relies on the fallacy of equivocation.

[@fiadelli14Uall]

Thanks for the point, my father is greater than I are.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

My Cat is greater than Paul or Tertulian!

[@Damian-vc1je]

O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory. You are carnal and follow your father of lies and deciet, ...u don't have the spiritual gift to understand the things of holiness. You speak of things from beneath. U can't use logics to understand spiritua, it's not carnal. May God have mercy on your souls.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Christ may have suffered but he didnt die, Allah raised him up alive, but you, Tertulian and Paul were stupid on the other hand and turned him into a pokemon godman fairytale and made idol out of him and turn blasphemous agaisnt Allah the sole Creator of the heavens and the earth!! REPENT!

[@fidelcatsro6948]

REPENT!! PAUL WAS NOT A DISCIPLE OF JESUS, THEY NEVER MET!! ! HE WAS A ''JOHNY COME LATELY''

[@jaykemper]

@@fidelcatsro6948 What do you base your assumption on the Jesus didn't die? Because some warlord said so 600 years later? It doesn't even make sense. Why would God fool people into believing Jesus rose from the dead? And what was the point of Jesus if He just got his mission wiped out by Paul? I'll like how humans can outmaneuver Allah. The Islamic Isa was a collosal failure. He couldn't communicate his message and ended up getting worshipped. But I guess just listen to your book says. If all sources say one thing, but the Quran says another, it must be correcting history! Do you see the flawed logic there?

[@fidelcatsro6948]

@@jaykemper Great Question! DID ALL EARLY CHURCH FATHERS BELIEVE JESUS DIED ON THE ROMAN CROSS? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! As for the Crucifixion take note that many church leaders of that time didnt believe that Jesus was crucified in the first place, they said it was an illusion (Just like the position of muslims today) ~ Acopalyse of Peter 81-82 reports crucifixion was an illusion ~ 2nd Treatise of the Great Seth reports crucifixion was an illusion ~ Acts of John 97-101 reports crucifixion was an illusion ~ Matthew Ch27 verse 11-26 - does not exist in early Greek manuscripts As for Paul, he ursurped the authority of the disciples! We know this as a fact! The disciples and Paul never got along well in the first place!

[@m.faizansari993]

Trinity can only be solve by Doctor strange, Doraemon, And Ben 10(echo echo)

[@burnadze]

Or by any person with braincells

[@burnadze]

@Find Truth With your grammar, i Wonder if you have braincells either

[@burnadze]

@Find Truth You don't need to be honest to believe in trinity. And what are you saying, trinity doesn't make sense? Based on what? Book writen by pedophîle merchant from arabian desert? 😂 Man be honest and abandon the false faith of arabs, based on polytheism and mix of other religions from around. After all, muhhamad wasn't literate enough even to write anything on his own

[@burnadze]

@Find Truth That's amazing that you have looked deep in the topic of the trinity, because you did a great job failing to read even one essay regarding this matter, otherwise you wouldn't have asked me a superficial question. Talking about Triune nature of God, that's how he is: One essence of one God manifest in three personalities. Logic is very subjective and not something you can use for your favor, because I will say that trinity is absolutely logically clear. I would return you the coin and tell that God having one personality in islam is illogical and you can't prove me otherwise, because that's what logic is: presupposed order of certain things based on subjective opinion. You are claiming impossibility of trinity to exist, yet, you believe God appeared as a burning bush to moses. If God can be bush, why can't he be human? The fact, that you haven't even taken this into consideration proves how superficially you are thinking and how mechanically you are parrot repeating words that you have heard from the book of arabian merchant or other muslims. Jesus can not be fully man and fully God you say. Why so? Are you putting almighty God in frames of not being able to be human if he wants so? Are you saying almighty God doesn't have enough power to become man? See, your claims contradict main monotheistic dogma you are so stubbornly following. God can do whatever he likes and if he can't be man, he is not god Water can be gas, liquid or ice, yet it remain water and doesn't change structure. Same way God can be father, son and spirit, yet one God, not changing a structure, being on divinity.

[@Shaq756]

I notice a trend with Christian apologists, they keep saying "for Islam God does not come in to this world" but as a Muslim I am told God is closer than our jugular vein, God is with the patient, God comes down in tahudjid for the believers (Muslims) who have got up from deep sleep or sleeping sound, on and on, God does not need to come down looking like a man, I do not think I am standing in front of Allah I know I am standing in front of Allah at least five times a day, and indeed Allah is closer than our jugular vein,

[@darkdr1fter]

Maths teacher: what is 1+1+1? Kid= 3! Maths teacher: wrong! It is one. Kid= hey, now you are cheating! 😡

[@burnadze]

1x1x1=1 ;)

[@siononetic7529]

@@burnadze Is God multiplied with himself?

[@burnadze]

@@siononetic7529 he isnt added to himself eithet

[@siononetic7529]

@@burnadze We have 3 distinct persons in the trinity. What else do we do with the persons other than add them up? If you walk into a room and there's 3 people, you add them up, not multiply them. Lol. So Jesus (distinct person) + Father (distinct person) + Holy Spirit (distinct person)= 3 distinct people, not 1 God.

[@thehungarywaffleinc.7775]

Infinity + Infinity + Infinite = Infinity

[@gilbertigabe7331]

Great debate....

[@andrewstucker845]

Many christians have accepted the fallacy of the trinity without proper seasoning. The trinity was formulated by Europeans in the Council of Nicaea to lead Africans into the worship of idols. Africans wake up from your sleep and accept the old testament which presented one God, and not 3 in one God. Christ himself worshiped the one true God and taught us to worship only one God and pray to one God.

[@agrimocmz5460]

*In Qur'an GOD says:* _Say: O People of the Scripture!(Jews and Christians)Come to a common word between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him)._ (Qur'an 3:64) So let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works. Let us respect each other, be fair, just and kind to another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill. _65.O People given the Books(Christians and Jews)! Why do you argue about Ibrahim, whereas the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Bible) were not sent down until after him? So do you not have sense?_ _66. Listen! This was what you argued about - of which you have some knowledge - why do you then argue about the matter you do not have any knowledge of? And Allah knows whereas you do not know._ _67. Ibrahim(Abraham)was neither a Jew nor a Christian; but he was a Muslim, free from all falsehood; and was not of the polytheists._ _68. Undoubtedly among all mankind who have the best claim to Ibrahim are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him) and the believers; and Allah is the Guardian of the believers_ _69. A group among the People given the Books(Christians and Jews) desire that if only they could lead you astray; and they only make themselves astray, and they do not have sense._ _70. O People given the Books(Christian's and Jews)! Why do you disbelieve in the signs of Allah, whereas you yourselves are witnesses?_ _71. O People given the Books(Christians and Jews)! Why do you mix the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth, whereas you know?_ (Qur'an 3:65-71) The message has been extended to the Jews and the Christians in these verses in which they have been admonished for their erroneous beliefs and evil morals and advised to accept, as a remedy, the Truth of the Quran. They have been told here that Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) taught the same right way of life that had been preached by their own Prophets; that it alone was the Right Way, the way of Allah; hence any deviation from it will be wrong even according to their own Scriptures.

[@Helel11114]

For me as I learned Trinity is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible from any prophet but it is being added after Jesus resurrection He said I will ask my Father to send the comforter as He said Holly Spirit which is from Almighty God. Almighty Father had already given Holly Spirit when Jesus was baptized and it was with Jesus when He left the world He asked that Spirit to give it to whole world and He is given.

[@abusameer2651]

The concept of trinity was manufactured for pagans cos it could only be sold to them .Paul knew this very well and that was the only way to appease them, why not , as the pagans held similar kind of beliefs for ages. Trinity could not work on the Jews the people to whom Jesus was sent as it was a very foreign concept. That's the reason why trinity had to hav e its own pagan welcoming church and the synagogue no longer a place where Jesus was spoken off. Say God is one

[@syedhameedkushani1727]

love you dr Ally , you are brilliant

[@aboubacarsoumana7611]

sheikh shabir wallah by allah I love you

[@fortimeless3299]

When Muslims Scholars Like Dr Shabir Ally And Others Explain To The Christians The Bible And Christians Religion Truthly Whit Facts More Than "Christians Scholars" Even They Are Not Scholars That's Mean Allah Is Great And Islam Is A Truth And Always Wins. The End Of Talking.

[@1beniao]

IAOSHUA said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. Yoḥanan (John)‬ ‭4:21‭-‬23‬

[@192ali1]

بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم The word "God" somehow does not sink on my heart and does not please it. Why do some speakers who are talking about some topics in Islam keep repeating "God, God, God?" Why do they not say Allah, Allah, Allah or Rab, Rab Rab or any other of his Assmaul Husna that are mentioned in Koran. No, No, No, God is not an English word for Allah (Azzawajal). God has different meaning than Allah (Azzawajal). God means three in one and one in three, Allah (Azzawajal) is ONE and ONLY ONE. God has a Son, Allah (Azzawajal) is free of having a Son or any associate and partner. Allah (Azzawajal) is addressed by the names "Parwardegar," or "Khooda," in Farsi and in Urdu language. Parwardegar and Khooda means exactly the same as Allah. Parwardeqar is Allah but God is not. When a Christian says "God Bless You," they mean the blessing coming from "Jesus," the son part of the the God. When a Christian hears the word "God" coming from a Muslim they assume that the Muslim is talking about their God. When a Christian hears the name "Allah," they do not consider it as their God despite of most of the similarities in the attributes that are associated to God. When you say to a Christian that God is the creator of the Universe and and the ruler of all the affairs in it, they agree. When you say to a Christian that God is the Lord of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, they agree. They also agree when you say "God is One." This is because to them "three is one." However, to a Christian, Allah is not God despite most of the sharing attributes that Allah has with their God. In other words, to a Christian "Allah" is not the creator, the sustainer and the ruler of the Universe, but their God is. Now a days, the period of turmoil, there are many manipulators who claim to be Scholars. They give false Fatwas mostly for their worldly interest. They bent to any direction that the wind blows in order to get a free ride from it. Do not say Buttel in order to please the other side. Declare "Haq" no matter what. Allah is not God and God is not Allah. Allah (Azzawajal) is one and he is unique. Allah (azzawajal) is not three. Allah (Azzawajal) does not have a Son. God is not unique. God is three and God has a Son. Fear Allah, Fear your Rab and do not call him by a different name that has a different meaning.

[@CheckYa]

According to my humble understanding, god (should be written with lower 'g') is the equivalent of 'ilaah', a deity. Thus we say in Shahaada: La ilaaha illa Allah. I.e there's no god (worthy to be worshiped) but Allah. A god, ilaah, can be anything. Even one's own liking, 'hawa', according to Quran. It could be a statue, a person etc.. and may have a name like for example the Egyptian deities Amun and Ra. Allah is the name of the only true god.

[@hayyanmintgreen8561]

If use the noun God as a proper noun for the One Single Divine being then it’s translation in Arabic would be “Allah الله” But if u use the word “God/god” as a generic or common noun to TheOne Divine or to any object falsely worshiped by humans then it will be the equivalent of the generic noun in Arabic “īlah” إلٰه Because in Arabic the Proper name of God is الله Allah. It is used by Arabic speakers of all faiths in reference to the Single all Powerful Divine Being, who is the Rabbربّ (Lord) of the heavens & earth.

[@okelloceaserhassan8851]

Subhanallah. Thank you brother

[@khalifabinhaadef]

God job shabir🙏

[@andrewstucker845]

Many christians are not good at logical analysis. There is only one God, but uses his word and holy spirit to relate with heavenly beings and people on earth. Christ and holy spirit are far less than God. Christ never told earthly people that is God. It was the Council of Nicaea that converted Christ and Holy spirit into God, hence trinity. Logical christians during the days of emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea refuted the theory of trinity and they were eliminated.

[@davidbrant390]

Modalism is the best theory that reconsiles the issue right there and then

[@KefasFX]

Holy Ghost Just picked Up to be the third person, without any biblical evidence.

[@Moses-jo5ox]

Alhamdulilah

[@alexanderlopez2025]

1 Corintios 2:12-15 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. 13 And we speak of these things in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual things to those who are spiritual. 14 Those who are unspirituale do not receive the gifts of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to them, and they are unable to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 Those who are spiritual discern all things, and they are themselves subject to no one else’s scrutiny.

[@komarchucky3456]

If Jesus & Father a one, so Jesus as son & as father for himself.

[@Quantum-Entangled]

I wonder if Christians in the audiance walked away leaving their faith behind.

[@gorillachilla]

These scumbags come back with the same line, like speaking to a brick wall

[@getsoserious8661]

IN TRINITY THE FATHER IS GREATEST BUT WHY JESUS BEING THE PRIME GOD? AND ANOTHER GOD THE FORGOTTEN GOD THAT CALLED HOLY GHOST ,DOES HOLY GHOST HAVE NOT ROLE ? SO PITY

[@abukid4857]

Muslims claimed Angel Gabriel was the HOLY SPIRIT. You mean to say Angel Gabriel possessed Jesus???? LOL LUKE 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

[@isanotpaganjesus4056]

Christians say Holy ghost is a dove ROFLMAO!!!!! trinity is a the father jesus and a bird.

[@abukid4857]

Isa the Mythical Koranic Character LOL...Since He is a Spirit. He can form whatever He chooses. It's called OMNIPOTENT. While allah has earthaphobia, too afraid to enter earth.

[@isanotpaganjesus4056]

LOL, your god enters earth through a birth canal covered with slime meconium and feces. LOL, don't make me laugh. even rats refuse to be that filthy. Allah(swt) doesn't condescend to do ungodly things like having incest with his mother and committing suicide.

[@dabatulard6045]

abukid Just wondering, are you from African region?

[@eljumaidilbinahmad2464]

The only thing that Albert Einstein unable to understand is trinity!

[@gherrocrucible]

It doesn't make sense because Jesus himself says he is a man.

[@seabridgee]

for example, Ya allah by jesus while he was in prayer, misinterpreted by christian as allah ya later becomes allaluya when you continuously using yaAllahYaAllah, it was listened as picked from middle of word starts as in Allahluya.. .. it becomes as convenient to pronounced as alaluya

[@KingofKnowledge-mg8fd]

Trinity is three different aspects of understanding God and our position with God. Three different levels of consciousness of understanding the Supreme and our relationship with him.

[@johnschuh8616]

If by that you mean thinking about God in history. There is the God of Abraham and of the people of Israel and of Jesus, who was one of them. Then there is Jesus Christ, who was the Word of God and also a Jew, who died and was raised from the dead. Then there is the Holy Spirit. All are divine. The God, not the gods of the pagans. Islam is all about rejecting what the Nicene Creed says about Jesus, his death and resurrection. and a return to the God of Abraham. Apart from that it is the exaltation of an Arab prophet to the level of what some heretical Christians held Jesus to be, except their Mohammed the man was more like the Jesus (Joshua) of the Conquest, or Moses the lawgiver.

[@devasinkh7251]

Its like apple tree. The tree is not the apple. The trunk, leave or root is not the apple. The apple is the apple. So easy.

[@aliimran9929]

Shabir Allay, very true, i appriciate how difficult is to research and Conway, trinity is nothing but bluff beeing programmed in Christians. They are innocent but victim. May Allah bless you more and more. Showing right path to our Christian brothers.

[@maximusalexander5930]

Pls talk n explain abt the trinity... That's the question. Why do u refer to books n authors n Google n so on when the question ask to u how do u explain the trinity..? 🤦‍♂️

[@richyriccch8836]

I've always found it easier to think Trinity like Naruto's shadow clones

[@MuslimByChoice]

Dr. William lane Craig compared the the trinity to the roman Mythical dog in harry potter kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIa0lHuKZtOMfac

[@mooshei8165]

Or Goku and his super sayian form.

[@mooshei8165]

Christian going to heaven. Christians: God/Goku where’s Jesus/Super Sayian! God/Goku: arrrrrrrrrARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR/the Holy Spirit!!!!!! *turning to Jesus/Super Sayian Christians: Jesus Christ!! It’s God!!!

[@Tournes0ul]

now if you think carefully, there are kids shows/cartoons that tried to buried the idea of trinity in the head of our kids..for example the power rangers series..when they are merging the robots or anything...many robot becoming one big robot

[@muha5593]

Trinity makes absolutely no sense

[@متين-ج4ز]

Lots of angry Christians in the comments

[@indian.2023]

I don't understand one thing that, When you ask about the trinity they can't explain it through Bible verses and they jump to other topics.Jesus Trinity doctrine of Christians which not only confused but It's like and It's almost same to Incarnations that mentioned in Hindus Myths.

[@ep379]

🤓❤️Thank You!!

[@muraisi22]

Christianity is so confusing. Religion is supposed to be simple for people to understand inorder to spread the word.

[@biblefeast]

@sutil Al the problem with that “miracle in the Quran 51 47 about expanding universe, is that it was previously in the bible. So it’s not original. Please tell us something original. Job 9 psalm 104 and Isaiah 40 all had this. It was copied.

[@MegaTRUTH007]

Why is it Muslims who don’t have the spirit of truth in them can speak more Sense than born again believers who hold on to the nonsense of a trinity ?

[@fidelcatsro6948]

because born again doesnt mean they have truth

[@MegaTRUTH007]

fidel catsro , The bible says it should lead them into all truth , that’s the point !

[@qayoomsediq2013]

WWJD ? Lol dude All of us have holy spirit muslim hundo Read Genisis 2

[@MegaTRUTH007]

Qayoom Sediq , Does that include satanists too ?

[@abukid4857]

The Christians who have the Spirit of Truth understand this. While Muslims who don't have the Spirit of Truth thinks the Spirit of Truth was Muhammad and the Holy Spirit was Angel Gabriel which counters the Jewish views....LOL LUKE 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” WHAT'S HARD ABOUT THE TRINITY? It's very simple: The Son was being baptized The Spirit coming down in the form of a dove The Father speaking from heaving saying, "You are my Son, whom I love, with you I am well pleased.

[@ramlangoddos4425]

With due respect to Christians, they should be defending the key, uncorrupted teachings of Jesus in the Bible about the nature of his God and our God. But shockingly, they tried hard defending the WRONG teachings of Paul that crept into the Bible. Read the Red Letter Bible.

[@eddyqwam1647]

I like Shabir argument Christian never convince that Jesus was God

[@ramlangoddos4425]

The human writers of the Bible forgot that Almighty God created humans with logical minds which are innately inclined to believe in ONE God. They lost the cause of Trinity earlier on 2,000 years ago.

[@Guttlegob]

Personally I find Cinderella, Rapunzel, Jack and Beanstalk, etc better and more exciting fairytales than both the bible and Quran.

[@davissae]

It seems like Islam just took Judeo-Christian religion, got rid of the problematic Christ/Trinity thing and added some religious laws.

[@Gabriel-qp5tn]

Which book writes to Muslims, explain this subject?

[@Helel11114]

Problems we have is we have no choice to worship Almighty God through created name Jehovah or Allah because how can we created when God have give His chosen name as we know word was with God and the word became flesh so we have to worship Him through His given name.

[@susieshobe8524]

Faith is the most difficult aspect of religion. How do you believe something you can not see or prove? It takes great faith for the truly God seeking individual to except, give over to and walk with their faith and let it be the leading factor of their lives in all thing, I believe every Muslim, Jew and Christian that walks their faith daily is truly trying to honor God in the best way we can understand through our measure of faith. We know God is not fickle., so that means there is only one path toGod and we all believe we have it. I think that is ego eccentricity. And that is not spiritual, it is completely human. This battle has gone on for centuries. Those that walk daily in faith will not move. Those just drifting along or totally reject, don’t really care. That’s for God to deal with, and He definitely will. What we have is a stale mate and always have had. Our job is to practice faith as we see and except it. To offer faith to others. And to try and do what faith leads us to do and it be honorable to the one and only Holy and just Father God. We have to believe God is just, I ,in my faith , promise He is and who ever is trying to honor the Father in truth and spirit, God will handle all of us justly. God knows our humanity far better than we do.

[@randomboy641]

This is not “three gods” here. Are “Poseidon and Zeus one”? Does “no one know Prometheus except Apollo, and no one knows Apollo except Prometheus and anyone to whom Prometheus chooses to reveal him”? Didn’t think so. Have Muslims ever heard the word "unity" before? Let's see the definition: “a whole or totality as combining all its parts into one.” There are examples of this in the Bible too: - when Jesus prays to the Father in John 17: “those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you...they may be one even as we are one” (verses 20-22). - and Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Another example to relate to the Trinity can be illustrated through marriage between the husband and wife. Take these four verses: “...I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) “The Father and I are one.” (John 10:30) “For the husband is head of the wife…” (Ephesians 5:23) “...a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.” (Ephesians 5:31) An example can even be used from even the Bible itself. The Bible has 66 books, yet at the same time... the Bible is one book! Some may say the Trinity is illogical. It may be beyond reason, but it is not against reason. Some things may be hard to understand, but that doesn’t make it false. I find calculus hard to understand, but that doesn’t mean it’s all wrong. We've gotta keep in mind that God is not bound by His own laws. He's beyond science and logic. Although He is the Creator of science and logic and all of it derives from Him, even theistic viewpoints can agree on this because "What created God?" When we use logic, there is always something that comes from something, but when it comes to God, our answer is: He is eternal. Can we, as humans, fathom that? Can we fathom an entity that is everywhere at the same time and keeps track of each and every living thing? Who has the trees, grains of sand, stars, hairs on our head all numbered? No, because He created us with a limited mindset. Such is the Trinity. Job 11:7-9 “Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than the heavens above-what can you do? They are deeper than the depths below-what can you know? Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea.” Quran sur 18 verse 68 "How can you bear that which is beyond your comprehension?" 1 Corinthians 2:11-14 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

[@siononetic7529]

"It may be beyond reason, but it is not against reason." You've single-handedly eliminated all possible logical fallacies there are with this statement. Can a circle that is simultaneously a square exist? It may be beyond reason, but it is not against reason. This claim is beyond stupid, that's what it is. Of course the trinity is against reason, as it presents us with a clear logical fallacy, as opposed to eternity, which is conceptually a necessity for theism. "A whole or totality as combining all its parts into one." I agree, obviously. You brought this definition up yourself. Does this mean your God has "parts"? Does this mean Jesus is a part of God, and the Father is a part of God, and the Holy Spirit is a part of God? I doubt so. Furthermore, unity is inherently combining SEPERABLE and INDIVIDUAL parts into one. Your claim, however, is that Jesus is the full God and the Father is the full God and the Holy Spirit is the full God. Not to mention according to you, they are inseperable. If you ever claim they are seperable and not dependant upon each other, you immediately tell us they are seperable, thus 3 DISTINCT, INDIVIDUAL GODS. John 17:20-22: "Those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you... they may be one even as we are one." Are you entirely missing the part where it says "that they may all be one" and "they may be one even as we are one"? Does that not seem like a giant red flag to you? This here means Jesus clearly states people who will believe in Jesus *may all be one* in a similar manner Jesus and Father are supposedly one. Now, whatever that oneness means, it is applied to all of believers, not only Jesus and the Father. How fallacious. Galatians 3:26-27 + 28: "So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." First, we must accept this is neither a direct quote from Jesus, but a mere interpretation of faith from Paul, who's main goal was to steer Christianity away from the path of truth and corrupt the faith of the true believers in Jesus. Secondly, the verses beforehand state that *we are all children of God through faith*, another claim opposing Jesus being the son of God, and the baptizm mentioning a clothing of "Christ". Verse 28 states we are all one in Jesus, not that Jesus is one with the Father. John 14:28: "...I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.” The Father is greater than Jesus? So they are not equal Gods, then? Interesting. Why would Jesus ever claim the Father is greater than himself? Moreover, why would he ever pray to God if he is God himself? Ephesians 5:31: "...a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.” A husband and a wife do not become one flesh. What on Earth is meant by this? "The Bible has 66 books, yet it's all simultaneously one book." Sure. Those books are seperable, however. You can take the Bible and remove one of those 66 books, which are seperable parts of the Bible. It seems you're getting closer and closer to calling your God seperable and individual, thus dividing him into 3 Gods, especially if they are all equal.

[@pastorjamienaidoo2883]

Anyone can choose to be a muslim,hindu ,Buddhist,or Christian, but not any can choose to become a CHRIST FOLLOWER. The HEAVENLY Father chooses who will become part of the bride of CHRIST,HE CHOOSES WHO MUST FOLLOWER CHRIST.THEY WERE YOURS AND YOU GAVE THEM TO ME.THEY DONT HAVE A HEART TO UNDERSTAND OR EYES TO SEE OR EARS TO HEAR.SO SAD.THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST MUST BE REVEALED.

[@jozefalfons]

The mystery of the Most Holy TRINITY, ONE GOD, has been known since the times of the Old Synagogue, but was not taught openly and largely before the arrival of JÉSUS-CHRIST. Man is finite in his intelligence, therefore things which are beyond his reach will not make sense to him, because man simply cannot reach there. My thoughts are not your thoughts, says God through his prophet Isaiah : as Heaven is elevated above the earth, so my thoughts are elevated above your thoughts.

[@becomingUbermenschGk]

Many people are trying to complicate the trinity but the bible states clearly "in the beginning there was a word and the word was with God and the word was God this simply means the father,son and holy spirit was one source,if you take for example a piece of paper then you divide it into three unequal parts were one part is greater than the other that's how you get the concept of trinity.

[@othmanahmad7331]

But christian said the father,son and holy ghost are equal not unequal as you mentioned.

[@eddiemirtille9294]

Only one Spirit of God Almighty ===) Ephesians 4 v 4 To 6. Christ is the Spirit manifested in the Flesh. 1 john 5 v 6. A SPIRIT *over all* ☝️: Christ Spirit of God i.e the Father ===) Romans 9 v 5 *The SPIRIT* *Through all*🙏 : Christ in the Flesh ===) Matthew 1 v 23 *The Body* consisting mainly in water, The rock in the OT: Exodus 17 v 1 To 7 *In all* 👈: Christ the Holy Spirit *the soul* in the blood ===) Galatians 2 v 20, Romans 8 v 9, Leviticus 17 v 11 A sentinelle of Christ appointed by CHRIST Trinity is basically Dagon worship imported by the apostate catholic church ===) 🚮 Ne

[@eddiemirtille9294]

Only one Spirit of God Almighty ===) Ephesians 4 v 4 To 6. Christ is the Spirit manifested in the Flesh. 1 john 5 v 6. A SPIRIT *over all* ☝️: Christ Spirit of God i.e the Father ===) Romans 9 v 5 *The SPIRIT* *Through all*🙏 : Christ in the Flesh ===) Matthew 1 v 23 *The Body* consisting mainly in water, The rock in the OT: Exodus 17 v 1 To 7 *In all* 👈: Christ the Holy Spirit *the soul* in the blood ===) Galatians 2 v 20, Romans 8 v 9, Leviticus 17 v 11 A sentinelle of Christ appointed by CHRIST Trinity is basically Dagon worship imported by the apostate catholic church ===) 🚮 Ne

[@eddiemirtille9294]

Only one Spirit of God Almighty ===) Ephesians 4 v 4 To 6. Christ is the Spirit manifested in the Flesh. 1 john 5 v 6. A SPIRIT *over all* ☝️: Christ Spirit of God i.e the Father ===) Romans 9 v 5 *The SPIRIT* *Through all*🙏 : Christ in the Flesh ===) Matthew 1 v 23 *The Body* consisting mainly in water, The rock in the OT: Exodus 17 v 1 To 7 *In all* 👈: Christ the Holy Spirit *the soul* in the blood ===) Galatians 2 v 20, Romans 8 v 9, Leviticus 17 v 11 A sentinelle of Christ appointed by CHRIST Trinity is basically Dagon worship imported by the apostate catholic church ===) 🚮 Ne

[@eddiemirtille9294]

Only one Spirit of God Almighty ===) Ephesians 4 v 4 To 6. Christ is the Spirit manifested in the Flesh. 1 john 5 v 6. A SPIRIT *over all* ☝️: Christ Spirit of God i.e the Father ===) Romans 9 v 5 *The SPIRIT* *Through all*🙏 : Christ in the Flesh ===) Matthew 1 v 23 *The Body* consisting mainly in water, The rock in the OT: Exodus 17 v 1 To 7 *In all* 👈: Christ the Holy Spirit *the soul* in the blood ===) Galatians 2 v 20, Romans 8 v 9, Leviticus 17 v 11 A sentinelle of Christ appointed by CHRIST Trinity is basically Dagon worship imported by the apostate catholic church ===) 🚮 Ne

[@glenselenselvs]

We all are Isrealies but not all of us are Jews. Thanks Allah thank God. Amen

[@KefasFX]

We Indonesians, the largest muslim population in the world Loves You, Dr. Shabir Ally.

[@Pacifica74]

By the 3rd verse you will see the identify of Jesus who is called Lord of lords: "I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen." 1 Tim 6:13-16 "They will make war on the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” Rev 17:13-15 "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe." Deut 10:16-18

[@susieshobe8524]

I understand what you have said about your faith, I can’t except it anymore than you are able to except the Trinity, but it’s always been that way and will continue until God decides that’s enough. Will you explain how you know you are going to be excepted by God? What makes you right before a perfect and sinless God.? How can God look on you in your fallen state? Fallen I mean when we chose our own will over Gods in Eden.

[@othmanahmad7331]

Susie Shobe:very simple to recognized which God is true. Who is god of prophet Adam,Enoch,Jonah,Noah,Abrahim,David,Moses,Jesus,John the baptist and Mother Mary?.The didnot worship or pray in the name of Jesus.They pray to one god(father/Allah).No prophets before mentioned that jesus is god .Who created Adam and the universe?.Jesus ate food.Prophet muhammad teaching is similar to previous prophets teaching.Worship one god,dont take any partner beside god.Very simple principal of god that small children can understand and no confusion.But regarding trinity,scholar or professor are getting headache thinking about it.

[@MamadouTraore-om8hh]

What makes me right before God? Humbling myself and repenting for my sins makes me right before God.

[@ramlangoddos4425]

Not even one of the numerous prophets of God ever said that Jesus is their God. Period. It was the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325 that cobbled up the concept of Trinity and added Jesus as one of the Three. The Pagan Roman Emperor wanted a political religion that catered to his Pagan belief. Read.

[@cpthekufarbuster8605]

If Jesus is God, why sit on the right side of the throne? Why not on the throne itself? Who then will sit on the throne? Satan? Because to Christians, satan is so mighty that he can tempt your God! Why would your God pray till his sweat look like blood? Whom was he praying to? Was he merely acting? So as to achieve what? Why would God go about cursing trees carelessly just because he is hungry, and the trees do not have any fruits! Isn't your God Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient? How comes he didn't know from a distance that the fig tree didn't have fruits? The same scenario is replayed, when he went to the mountains with Peter and James to pray. He reprimanded them for not keeping vigil as he prayed! Why would God need humans to watch over him? You mean he was not Omnipresent- everywhere, and couldn't tell what was happening miles away? Why did he undergo circumcision if his mission was to come abolish circumcision? Don't tell me that he was still young! Is your God a maturing God? Why did heavoid Jerusalem during the initial stages of his ministry? We see him preaching in small towns only (outskirts of Jerusalem), where the Roman soldiers were not present! He had to wait till his followers increased in numbers, before storming Jerusalem! But, all the followers betrayed him, when he was caught. They expected that he would vanish miraculously, but when they saw him being humiliated like a commoner, they started denouncing him one by one!

[@abulfazal2001]

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[@meme-df9pd]

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[@MegaTRUTH007]

me me , Are you speaking as a man in right standing with a holy God ?

[@meme-df9pd]

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[@Gabriel-qp5tn]

Quick to go to council of nicene, what about the christian Arabs, who questioned moh?

[@stevenchaw1034]

Jesus said it is easy for camel go through nail or pin hole but rich and knowledgeable people cannot inherit heaven. Life is too short so make the right decision before the time end.

[@steadfastway1897]

Have you noticed the interesting reference to what God said to Moses at the burning bush, in the course of discussion between Jesus& the learrned Suddeses recorded in Mark 12:18 which has lost its main subject about the existence of an afterlife& the ultimate judgment individualy, leaving only the denial of the function of marriage at the resurrection, and as a proof; Jesus presented that God declared that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac& Jacob. By now people should have realised the whole argument these learned men were not believers in the afterlife at all nor in us standing up individually for account judgement. This central crucial belief is droped off from the entire Jewish bible (the 5 books) but jesus was trying deliver this belief to them, referrencing the 1st conversation between God& Moses at the burning bush. When the texts are examined carefully, no mention of the belief an the final hour, resurrection nor afterlife in Exodus 3& 4, nor is this made clear as a basic faith - creed in Mark 12: 18-23 in Jesus debating the Sadeses. Were this belief is restored - however - is in the Noble Quran, were almost every second passage is about the belief in the afterlife or atleast mentions it. The burning bush conversation between God& Moses clearly has the belief in the afterlife individuals will be made accountable (Noble Quran 20:15). Islamic creed is the same unique belief of Jesus, Moses& in keeping with the original missing revelations& teachings given to them, prior to being droped off by people who are too afraid to face the ultimate judge& determined to remove such references to it, leaving passages like Mark 12: 18-23 devoud of anything to be febated, besides the side issues such as the custom of marriage in the afterlife or an accepted fact that God of Moses is the same God of his forefathets. There's is nothing important to debate the learned men at that meeting in Mark 12:18-23. Read the Quran& study the Islamic faith if you want to be saved, or atleast if you care to find out what Jesus& Moses Realy thought was important to believe in.

[@benjaminadjei2829]

In Genesis God was talking in prural form , let us make man in our own image . Then after God created man in his own image . Elohim is prural . It means when God manifests himself in prural form . God is ominipresent . He is with me here and with you there . In the new testament , Jesus said , believe in the father , believe also in me In my father's house are many mansions . I am going to prepare a place for you . If I finish I will come and take you . Where I am there you will be. He said baptise them in the name of Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit etc. The spirit of man in man makes him understand things into human standard . The same way that spirit of God in man makes him understand things of God as Paul said it in the book of Corinthians . It is not the Christians who invented it . When God called Moses from the burning bush Moses asked God 's real name . God said to Moses that he is called l AM. In the new testament Jesus said he is called I AM . In The book of Revelation Jesus said I am Alpha and Omega . The beginning and the last . The devil even knows the Bible quoted from it to deceive Jesus . They even called Jesus son of God any time they saw Jesus etc . Not Shabir Ally Zakir Naik and the so called moslem scholars who are imagining things . So you can believe the devil because he was in heaven and Jesus didn't want the devil's testimony so Jesus shut him up.

[@ballistic2513]

So that means, there are several Gods, Gods is plural, but at the end of the day you guys claim there is ONE god

[@peterilungatshenda9420]

Without revelation you cannot and will not understand the trinity. Three in one. Different shapes one formula. Gas, liquid and gaz. Get the cloud, the rains and ice, same formula H2O. The cloud represents God., the rain represent Jesus coming down from heaven. rivers and and snow the Holy Spirit. Jesus went back to God as vapour to the cloud and become one once again. He left us a comforter (the Holy Spirit) the rivers and snows he will be with you always.

[@abdisamadsuleyman7090]

Trinity is hoax.

[@Noeman2009]

😂😂😂

[@GodsSheepdog]

If all of you truly love and are seeking the Truth of God, I have debated Anthony in email. I answered all his questions, but he could not answer any of mine because I am calling out all the Trinitarians, Unitarians, Oneness, Muslims, and Jews in my work titled, "God's Me, Myself, and I The Truth and Ultimate Truth about the Trinity Conspiracy. If you all are for God's Truth understand this... There are two major reasons why we-to this day-still have refutable debates between the Trinitarians, Unitarians, Oneness, Muslims, and Jews about whom God is-Three, Two, or One-and about who Jesus is-God or Man, or both. The two reasons are; (1) they all deny that God is Male and Female, thus they fail to understand who is God’s Female & Her role within God. (2) They not understanding who is God’s Female causes them to not understand the Two that was One while on earth, but yet were Two, and They are Two in Heaven to this day. In Luke 1:32; Christ Jesus Emmanuel our Lord was given his father David’s throne-meaning he’s David Son, he was named son of David more than 15 times-but in Matthew 22:41-45 the Lord Jesus Christ our God said He’s not David’s Son, “If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?” For this contradiction and others in the bible, God’s Word has been misunderstood. In addition, if The Lord Jesus Christ our God was God Son before He came in the flesh, “Who is His Mother, or, how could God have a Son without a Female?” In Genesis 1:26-27 we read the Image of God is Male and Female, but we are not taught this. Why you ask? Well it is because the Truth of God’s Image according to the bible will destroy Tertullian’s and our doctrine of a Triune God. In Colossian 2: 2, we learn of three mysteries-the mystery of God-and of the Father, and of Christ-and that God want us to come unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of these three mysteries. Again, why is this so important? Because God want us to truly know Him & Jesus Christ. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Understand, "For there are many major differences between The Lord Jesus Christ our God & Christ Jesus Emmanuel our Lord, the Two that was One while on earth, but yet were Two, and They are Two in Heaven.

[@SJ-gh9fn]

Before picking a way to God (Islam or Christianity), you need to understand who or what God is. One concept or doctrine would suggest that there is a great, powerful and holy God, who created everything, including us humans. After which He placed us on this planet, gave us a book of instructions, and commanded us to read, learn, memorize and follow it, so as to judge us after we die to see how well we did. This is the doctrine of Islam/Tawhid. The issue with this concept is that it establishes God as unjust and defenseless - for how can we not sin, especially when He placed us here on Earth with a creature like the devil, who is more powerful, smarter and resourceful than we are, and is constantly attacking, deceiving and tempting us to sin. Our fate is inevitable, which is to be sinful - for how can we not sin? and therefore, we will never be able to escape the wrath of a Holy God. Why would God do this? Why would He set us up only to see us fail and His creation destroyed? Additionally, Islam teaches that we are slaves to God. But why is God in the business of creating slaves? What kind of example or precedence is this? I certainly would never look at my creation/children as slaves, so why would a perfect and Holy God treat us this way? He's suppose to be infinitely better than us!. The Christian view of God is that God is One Infinite Being, who created everything, and chose to reveal Himself to us in three persons. Some sources claim that Christians believe in three gods - this is false and blasphemy! Christians believe in One God, who revealed Himself throughout Scriptures in three persons, otherwise known as the doctrine of the Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - without which the concept of a God would not make any sense at all and would be totally meaningless and unsustainable. God created this world out of love. He wants to have a direct relationship with us. Genesis 1:26 states "Let US make man in our image"...who is "US"? Genesis 1:2 "...and the SPIRIT of God was hovering over the waters". This is a distinct description of a person, in this case, the Holy Spirit of God - note, it doesn't say "... GOD was hovering over the waters" but "...the SPIRIT of God was hovering over the waters". God wants to be where His creation is - even before anything was created, He wanted His Spirit to be involved in His creation. He wants to have a relationship with us. Why else would He create us? Just to judge us at the end? There’s no meaningful purpose in that. In the Trinity God Head, the Father purposes, and the Son Jesus executes through the power of the Holy Spirit. One cannot exist nor makes any sense without the other. God the Father purposed creation of everything (earth, universe, etc.), Jesus created it through the power of the Holy Spirit. On the cross, God the Father purposed salvation - John 3:16 " For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only SON, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life" - Jesus executed it on the cross through the power of the Holy Spirit. You may ask “If Jesus is God, how can He/God die?” The answer is that Jesus was sustained through the power of the Holy Spirit - He died in the flesh, but sustained His divinity through the power of the Holy Spirit. Why accept Jesus into your life? So that you can be saved, cleansed from sin and be restored to a relationship with the Father. How will you sustain that relationship when the devil is constantly attacking you with temptations and trials? Through the power of the Holy Spirit. There’s no way to please God and survive against the devil’s attacks without the Holy Spirit. As you can see, God doesn’t make sense without the Trinity, and each Person of the Trinity cannot exist without the other. Dear Muslims: sin separates you from God, on this earth and after you die. No matter how zealous you are, and no matter how much good works or praying you do, God cannot overlook your sins. If God is a perfect and just God, He must punish sin. That’s why the whole sacrificial system was given (through Moses) - penalty must be paid for sin. Jesus is the perfect, pure and ultimate sacrifice - He died on the cross and was resurrected, and in doing so, He conquered sin and death, and defeated the devil. This is something Islam seem to forget all about - that there is a devil out there, and Islam/Tawhid has ABSOLUTELY NO answer or solution for how humans are suppose to deal with this creature and resolve the issue of their sinful nature with a Holy God! So…who will save you from God’s wrath and punishment? Jesus is the only way - the only one who died specifically to take away the sins of the world! I encourage you to look into these matters and accept Jesus as your saviour and be restored to God.

[@SJ-gh9fn]

@mohsingalani You and all your Muslim apologists keep quoting Ezekiel 18:20, not realizing that it reveals your lack of understanding of sin. Yes everyone is responsible for their own sin, but what does the verse say about sin? It’s right there at the beginning!! “The soul that SINNETH, IT SHALL DIE”! Which part of this don’t you understand? And what was the solution for this? It is a sacrifice on your behalf. They were sacrificing from the days of Adam & Eve (when God killed an animal to “cover” them), then you have the story of Cain and Abel’s sacrifices, and what about Abraham? He passed the test didn’t he, yet God still provided a sacrifice instead of his own son. And what about Moses and the sacrificial system? What do you think all these sacrifices were about? God is not just going to “decree a matter” and forgive your sins just because you pray 5 times/day and say you’re sorry. He did decree a solution - a sacrifice in your place to die on your behalf. Jesus’ death on the cross is that sacrifice for our sins. He rose from the dead to defeat sin, death and the devil. This is the point - the only way to approach a Holy and Pure God is to be sinless. Unless you accept Jesus’ sacrifice to take away all your sins, you'll never be able to enter God's presence/heaven.

[@aimanrkusumah2762]

They're looking for 1 from 1x1x1, what's for? 😥

[@demetrick722]

Of course it won't make logical sense to a person who is raised in a belief that fights against the thought in the first place. God is one essence, with three people having this One essence. God is a title, quality of being. One power, with three wielding it. No polytheism here. See if one can't truly understand it (none truly can) then they will say it is nonsense and cannot be true, but if not taken seriously by the context that it is given, one can never truly develop or learn what they wish to know. Shabir here does a good job speaking, but maybe his understanding isn't that great when it comes to the trinity.

[@sy_sohaib]

Can you name me someone whose understanding of the Trinity is good and can explain it to me?

[@demetrick722]

@@sy_sohaib In reference, Wayne Jackson can perhaps explain it from Christian Courier.

[@rssv1770]

I think toney does not understand the trinity himself as "God is one essence being three people having this one essence with one power with tree wielding it" is always going to cause people to still have tree distinct metal pictures of GOD in their minds. It is not only a question of understanding the trinity but explaining it simply so people on all levels of faith can understand it without being confused. What is more simple to understand or explain then GOD is one. What is more simple? toney.

[@demetrick722]

@@rssv1770 It's Demetrick, and I never said I fully understand the triunity. It's typically as a river flowing through three empty banks, yet being one source. Same or different water? Same water, yet different bank. Doesn't make it three water sources. God is just the same way only more difficult to grasp. Each person holds this one power source being equal towards one another, thus being One.

[@demetrick722]

@@rssv1770 And unfortunately to explain it to where all faiths can understand it isn't easy and is equivalent to try to explain God fully on who He is without missing anything. To fully explain God is to make Him from being incomprehensible to being someone like you and me can easily explain.

[@AmaanKhan-ix7lk]

Let me explain it to my Cristian brothers, as they say that- The father is god, the son is god and the Holy Spirit is god but they they are not three god but one god. So as they believe that Jesus (pbuh) was dead for three days Then that means that Jesus is dead, the father is dead, and the Holy Spirit is dead, because they are all one. Then who is controlling this whole universe?? It's simple logic, why aren't they understanding it that there only one god Allah

[@johnpereira9755]

Amaan Khan: Christians have their priests and Biblical scholars to explain to them the doctrine of Trinity. So don't give yourself airs that you are far more knowledgeable than Biblical scholars and are able to explain to Christians their faith to them. You can't even spell the word Christian correctly. I as a Christian believe God is one unique spirit with infinite ENERGY, infinite in space and time but He can manifest Himself in 3 forms as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.The only analogy I can think of is ENERGY which is one unique physical quantity with its own unit and dimensions in Length, Mass and Time but it can be present in a system as Thermal Energy, Light Energy and Nuclear Energy.The question is why the 3 members of Trinity make one God.In Calculus the number 1/0 is called infinity. An addition rule in Calculus is infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity, and NOT 3 infinity. This equation cannot be proved logically.But assuming this is true we can derive correct results.Likewise why Father, Son and Holy Spirit make one God cannot be established with human logic but assuming or rather believing it to be true we can interpret verses in the Bible in a meaningful way. I agree that most people do not understand the doctrine of Trinity. That doesn't mean it is false. Most people do not understand Einstein's Theory of Relativity. That doesn't mean it is a hoax.People who do not understand Trinity or have doubts about it are by no means any less Christian. After all the essence of Christianity lies in love, forgiveness, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless , healing the sick, etc. To come to think of it Trinity is a precept that causes no harm. What causes harm is regressive practices like polygamy, triple talaq, nikah halala, muta, misyar, female genital mutilation, honor killing, jihad, terrorism ,animal sacrifice and barbaric punishments to adulterous women, homosexuals, petty thieves and apostates.

[@AmaanKhan-ix7lk]

@@johnpereira9755, My brother use some logic. 1+1+1=1?? It going against logic. 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Numbers 23:19 28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one Mark 12

[@johnpereira9755]

Amaan Khan: Our addition laws are not universally true. What is applicable to ordinary entities is not necessarily applicable to extraordinary entities.In ordinary Arithmetic 1+1+1=3 but in Boolean Algebra 1+1+1=1 and NOT 3. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not human and so you should not count them as you count ordinary humans like Tom, Dick and Harry but rather as 3 infinities adding up to one infinity. Matters of faith transcends human logic.A terrorist believes he will get 72 virgins to have sex with in paradise. What use are those virgins to him if he leaves his body here on earth? I see no logic in his belief .Mehdi Hassan, a well known journalist debating with Richard Dawkins said he believed Muhammad flew up into heaven on a donkey. A donkey flying up in to heaven not only defies logic but also earth's gravity. You can find dozens of verses in the Bible that say there is only one God without mentioning Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But you will also find more than a dozen which do mention Father, Son and Holy Spirit, for example,Mathew 28 :19. Christian Theologians and Biblical scholars in the past have debated threadbare all such verses and formulated a doctrine. If you accept that doctrine you remain a Christian and if you don't you are free to renounce Christianity. In Christianity there is no punishment for apostasy. Christians also revise their doctrine and adapt it to a changing world in the light of advances in science and evolution of social mores.Even though the Bible has a verse stating the sun moves round the earth, the the Church accepts that is the earth that moves round the sun. The New Testament spoke of slavery as normal acceptable practice but today the Church regards slavery as sinful.Just about 2 decades ago homosexuality was considered sin but today it isn't. The problem with Islam is hesitation to inject reforms.In the past whenever an Islamic scholar attempted reform he was either bullied into silence or assassinated.Consequently Muslims are in conflict with every other religious group all over the world, including arguably the most non-violent Buddhists.

[@AmaanKhan-ix7lk]

@@johnpereira9755, Wow😂😂😂 1+1+1=1!!! 28)One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 29)"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30)Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31)The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." 32)"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. Mark 12 Well done brother, it's looking clear who is with Jesus.

[@johnpereira9755]

Amaan Khan: You have only read the Quran and the Bible but are unfamiliar with Boolean Algebra or Calculus. So you cannot understand my statement 1+1+1=1 is indeed true for the extraordinary Boolean element and infinity + infinity + infinity =infinity for the extraordinary number infinity = 1/0. You have failed to understand Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not human and so should not be counted as you would count Tom, Dick and Harry.Consequently Trinity doesn't make sense to you and so I can't have a meaningful debate with you.It is also possible that Trinity does make sense to you but you are afraid to admit it openly fearing violent reaction from your co-religionists.

[@shnarklevonbarkle110]

Dr. Shabir brings up a quite valid point in the incomparability of God. Obviously Christ can be compared, but one of the big problems he ignores are the fact that the Shema clearly states: "Hear O Israel, Yahovah your God Elohim (This is in the plural form!) are one Yahovah". Paul expands upon the Shema in his letter to the Corinthians: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 So for Paul, Christ is the creator. Where most everyone goes completely off track is to assume that we are all created by God. This is what we all assume, yet Paul is quite clear in pointing out that it isn't God at all, but Christ who creates. This is John's perspective as well. He points out that "In the beginning was God", Oh, wait, John didn't say that, did he? NOPE. Why? Because it is the word that exists, and apart from the word nothing exists. God is the origin of the word, which should not be confused with what Is going on at or in the beginning. Many would point out that there is no difference between the origin and beginning, but that is only in reference to what exists; to things. This is prior so the essential meanings must be used which for origin refers to source while beginning refers to the beginning of all that exists, including time, space etc. The word is eternal, and exists eternally. Yet it isn't God. That's is only based upon our own false assumptions.

[@thetruth871]

John 17:5, KJV: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." John 17:5, NASB: "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed ( this scripture shows that Jesus and God are one)

[@alaizhaabuat8554]

If they are one why they have different will,so they have different mind, when Jesus pray to god Jesus say not my will but your will be done so they have different will

[@thetruth871]

@@alaizhaabuat8554 when Jesus was on the Earth He was God incarnate as a man, and he never said he was God directly to no one, other ways they the Jews would have killed him before his time, and because of this reason, he was addressing himself, to give us an example that God was still on the throne, in the same time that he was on the Earth, and even when he was praying to God that was just an example for humans to follow, i hope you understand this Alaizaha God bless.

[@TheOfficialEsau]

If we were able to fully understand it then it wouldn’t be worth believing in, We can’t fully understand GOD , why can’t we simply understand that? Jesus says love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you-Mathew 5-44 Meanwhile Quran says “fight those who do not believe in allah or the last day” -sura 9-29 Islam claims to be religion of peace And you have to earn your way to heaven? Jesus died for me at the cross for the forgiveness of my sins and rose on the 3rd day! And yes GOD can do anything because he is GOD so why is it impossible for him to be 3 in 1? He can do ANYTHING he is GOD! My GOD is not limited like the allah y’all believe in he is limited!

[@abdillahibasheabdi4904]

Ask this question to jews ribbi and since jeudism came 2000 years before christaninty they should be listened

[@demetrick722]

And let's not forget that just because Shabir has a Master's degree in World religion and Bible Literature, does not mean he knows all there is to there and does not make him superior to others. Anyone given enough time and real dedication can be a speaker.

[@MuslimByChoice]

Dr. Shabir ally is the most well known muslim apologist, he is very eloquent and very knowledgeable , he put David Wood, Jay Smith and James White to shame

[@iqbalmahommed6426]

@@MuslimByChoice credit to him he's good and I'm sure Allah loves him.... Why yu jealous.. Go do the same let's see

[@ahganchi]

This is not about degrees and being able to orate It’s about your brain and whether you have even any sense/logic to distinguish the confusion and corruptions in a book that cannot be verified

[@iruzmazgnawa7846]

Because it is made up after Jesus is gone. JESUS never teach this.

[@marwonkhaled2507]

I really tried to listen and learn,, But I got a headache when he got to 3 persons but one substance,,, I would like to keep a clear and logical mind,,so I stopped listening,,,

[@jeremiahtewis4944]

"Why doesn't the Trinity doctrine make logical sense?" Because the Logos Himself, the source of logic became incarnate in corruptible flesh and the world knew Him not. Man uses his fallen mind to try to disprove the Logos Himself Who is the very reason man has the capability to deny his own source of being. The Logos became incarnate in the flesh and the world knew Him not.

[@itsRAMPORT]

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? [John 14:9]

[@othmanahmad7331]

Can you see god with naked eyes?

[@joop6463]

@@othmanahmad7331 in his human nature yes

[@mohamedimohamedi8933]

@@joop6463 Hosea 11:9 I am God not a man

[@shahriarkabir6924]

@@joop6463 why Jesus pray to the father?

[@gilbertigabe7331]

So in actual sense. There's a verse that refers to the sons of God who slept with the daughter's of men. That kinda brings another question. Does God have many sons??. Cause Angels are not called sons of God in the Bible. So then who are these sons of God?.

[@zahraabdullah4154]

Genesis 6:1-4 refers to the sons of God and the daughters of men. There have been several suggestions as to who the sons of God were and why the children they had with daughters of men grew into a race of giants (that is what the word Nephilim seems to indicate).

[@gilbertigabe7331]

@@zahraabdullah4154 if they were fallen nephilim already, why are they referred to as sons though?.

[@rajierejected7807]

batman.superman.wonderwomen.. the trinity and this is real answer of your problem ahaha..

[@khalidyazz9787]

It's a mysteryyyy..

[@MultiRambo008]

Is video ko pin karke rakho. Jab bhi koi trinity ki baat kare suna dena. Abhi dusri topics exposed karo yaaar!!!!.

[@MrKhan-A07]

Who could have prevented Allah from destroying jesus the messiah and mary if he had willed it ---- Al Quran surah maidah .