Prince Netflix Controversy

[@debliedel]

I have spent my whole adult life learning about this man, 9 hours is nothing to me! He was a human thats had a crazy life, just like most of us! There is nothing this documentary could say that wouldn't surprise me! I watched this man from the beginning grow up, and if u really know the music and lyrics, he told his own documentary! All of his LIFE is what shaped who he is, and the music! Micheal, I so agree with your opinion, and your words!

[@luxekook]

I’ve heard some anecdotes about Jill Jones destroying Prince/ Susannah Melvoin’s paintings, throwing a woman into a fireplace (apparently she said this herself on Twitter), slamming a woman’s leg into a car door (one that Prince was interested in) and we know Mayte said Prince didn’t commit any acts of violence to a single person in the decade she knew him- so it was most likely a defensive abuse situation (toxic relationship) and not just Prince being a woman beater. Anna Fantastic also scratched one of his expensive vintage cars and he didn’t act mad/ violent towards her, so it’s not a pattern with him. She already said she hit him first while he was kissing someone, and that they “tussled” after that before he apparently punched her. Anyone who suffered with childhood trauma like him is gonna be reactive to something like that, (especially considering he was 5’2- Jill is 5’9) someone invading the physical abuse barrier. It’s not a coincidence that Jill (who says she hit him) and Sinead (who says she spit on him before he threw a pillow at her) both invaded his personal space before he allegedly retaliated. I’m Gen Z and if anyone cancels him for that, it’s undeserved.

[@terrymcintosh1763]

I am a lifetime fan of Prince from Detroit. The first city to give Prince his props. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER DOCUMENTARY ON PRINCE. What made the world fall in love with Prince was his music. We didn't give a damn about his personal life. These people just want to bring another black hero down. Prince has been gone for eight years and we miss him dearly. Let's focus on hearing music from the vault that he never released. THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. Not another damn documentary. Feast on Diddy. Leave Prince alone.

[@luxekook]

@@terrymcintosh1763 Exactly. Lots of white entertainers did things more evil than Prince but no one does documentaries like this about them! And Prince was no P Diddy.

[@johnpetrou6]

Show me the documentary. I’ll make up my own mind Prince was the biggest part of my life and I’d 💜 to see as much as possible on this remarkable human being

[@mscapricorn-ce1pl]

Many Prince fans only want to see a documentary about his music, 40-plus studio albums, singles, concerts, tours, music videos, the movies he starred in/directed.

[@santacruz7455]

No, I would like to know the whole story!

[@skygazer6898]

Absolutely! I want to see a documentary with all of Prince's live performances, not for the likes of me, but for the younger generation as they need to see just how amazing Prince was. I want younger kids to watch and say " They never knew how great he was but they do now "

[@zhairetariq2002]

I think its cowardly for some of his "friends" to talk slick about Prince after his death. Where was the smoke when Prince was alive? The tell all books & tribute tours are just money grabs off Prince's name.

[@lynnerussell4263]

👍👍👍

[@mscapricorn-ce1pl]

Everyone knows(even a kid in first grade), when someone says(negative things) about another person: The story is not always true, there are two sides to every story, when people do not get along they should not be around the other person/work with them, have sex them, etc.

[@anetricejones4263]

Thanks, Mike Dean. This was great tonight. Please keep us informed on this..💜

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

It was Bruce Springsteen the one that played with P and after the show Prince was so happy and excited telling Wendy “he can’t play guitar!!”😂 He was so competitive.

[@PrinceUnofficial]

Please dont compare Prince to others even the greatest … Prince brought music to another level

[@skygazer6898]

Prince was a Musical Genius and there is nothing that can change that. The hurt from childhood lasts a lifetime, folks!

[@anetricejones4263]

So can someone please tell me where we can read the article...and 2nd Why is Netflix doing this documentary and why only certain people have got to see it so far. No matter what, We got your back, Prince Nelson...Rest Easy my guy..💜💜much love..

[@julienceaser]

I'm with ya's , Like Big Sexy say's "I don't like to be told what I can or can not watch". I don't believe Prince has done anything that would cause him to be canceled. Most things can be forgiven and what can't we can separate from the music. We all know he had his faults. Definitely shocking that Jill says he punch her in the face, but we weren't there and who knows how it went down. Not taking sides just saying tempers can get heated when parties are involved in a "Love Triangle". Netflix and the Estate should just agree to release it and let the fans decide for them selves. Maybe a warning at the beginning such as...... "Netflix and the Prince Estate do not support views in this documentary. The witness accounts told are one side of the story and nothing has been proven either way. The viewer is left to make up their own mind on what to believe. This documentary's purpose is to show what some say had happened, the good the bad and the ugly. You decide what to believe" Prince is for the World!.... 4 sho! ;) "Prince's 4 the World, Prince's 4 the children Prince was one of the ones who made a better day......." 😀

[@r.josephgrundy1706]

Someone posed the question of why was he (Prince) so private? What a ridiculous a** question! Im in no way near a celebrity, but I live a somewhat private life. Why, because i don't want a bunch of gossiping people, sitting around and discussing my "dirt"! What little dirt i have, as a 49 year old man, if you can actually consider it dirt.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

We live in an era so many nobodys want to be seen Facebook social media etc wanting and acting as if they were celebrities 😂 Sick and sad. Sheep 203O

[@Mr_Stag]

We don't need to know his personal issues. What would it change in your life? We're just being nosey. Prince has said multiple times he only wants us to know the music. Why do we feel entitled to know his personal business?

[@thomaskozlowski4201]

Man. This was heavy. I'm not sure how I feel about the doc being released. I just miss the dude and want to hear as much of his work as I can before I enter the next phase.

[@ROCKNROLLFAN]

My question still remains why did all of these people making all these accusations wait until after he died to say all of this stuff.....

[@brianinglis3805]

Because he made those who worked for him sign non disclosure agreements. If they said anything while he was alive, he would've sued them.

[@lynnerussell4263]

5 minutes of fame, but probably alot of NDA's

[@kprivate5112]

In the case of Jill Jones, I thought they said she didn't say anything at the time because it would ruin his career. I guess the question is, should she have pressed charges then or wait until now?

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@kprivate5112 maybe she should have pressed charges then, if her story had any weight. Sounds like holes

[@shiny_dreamer]

I'm pretty sure that almost every fan out there would be watching, regardless. What absolutely nobody can be sure of is... Almost everything we've been fed by the media -Moline plane landing, prescriptions, no will, etc, etc, ....right down to his personal feelings, for whom, when, and how that played out. For all we know Prince could be still alive right now, using his golden parachute and the people he has in place. Was Prince a groomer? Was he comparable to a lot of these wyt men that have been somewhat exposed? This is all relative to individual perspective, perception...and intention! From what most of us have already come to understand...no, not really...but my 31 yo daughter loves P and disagrees with me. Bottom line, regardless of the 40 years I've entertained my fascination with Prince (as one of the most intriguing humans of our time)...I would love to see 'the good, bad, and ugly'..as long as it is respectful in reflecting the truth. Prince has earned the honour of deserving proper respect. They should consider doing a doc on the affects Prince had on humanity..because THAT is what's really much more inspiring..and truth!

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

Prince Podcast, we simply cannot overlook the contradictions from Saturday's co-host. First, she stated that she preferred not to engage with the "controversy," yet somehow found herself championing Jill’s side almost instantly. Quite the pivot, would you not say? And then, as if to top it off, she mentions she is not fond of Prince’s James Brown influences. I mean, really, what was she expecting? A Willie Nelson tribute act from the Purple One? Interesting perspective, to say the least.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

My favourite KZbin channel 😊

[@creditorclass6513]

If Prince can stand in front of the world and say it's their game, how can relatives whom he hardly messed with act like they're holding the Pimp hand. Netflix is #1 in streaming, his legacy needed them as a home, I don't want to go back to waiting in the mail for 7 CD sets that will only end up gathering dust. Gen Z and Gen Alpha ain't going to his website to order physical products, folks. Netflix is a platform people go to daily, he should have his own category there.

[@AxelVideos-dv3ze]

Why can’t Prince have a Moonage Daydream, Wham! or a This Is Elvis? They always do this to our heroes. It’s not about hiding the truth but making it balanced. 20 years ago, you could have gotten away with making a documentary Ezra is making but you can’t in this climate. All the clout chasers and gossipers are waiting to tear this doc apart and build their own narrative based on the material given in the film. They are ready to twist everything said and make it Johnathan Majors/OJ/Leaving Paisley Park. They haven’t even interviewed the people from the later eras according to the people from that time. I don’t blame the Estate one bit for standing their ground, you have to make it fair. This is Netflix we’re talking about and this is the only shot for their narrative. Whatever is said or shown will be glued to his legacy forever because this documentary is for the masses.

[@danavixen6274]

💯💯💯💯 The Wham and Bowie documentaries were fair and sincere! I want this for Prince's documentary. Cat Glover is a REAL one and she wants no parts of this. 🙅🏾‍♀️ You're right! Focus on ALL of the Prince eras, not just the 80s. 🙄 That's what I love about Mike Dean. He speaks to several artists and musicians who knew Prince over the years. 💜

[@theonlyone23576]

@@danavixen6274💯

[@mattgarlick6656]

An insightful balanced conversation, as usual. You guys should set up your own ethics panel for societal dilemmas. 😊

[@purplearmy9773]

Prince’s life should take much more than 9 hours so I would not complain about 9 hours if I had a chance to see it. However, still not sure I do want to see it. I always felt the vulnerable side of him and I don’t think I can handle seeing him being abused and being more lonely than I already know he was. It would haunt me and break my heart for a long time.

[@danavixen6274]

Thanks Mike and Big Sexy. I was hoping you guys would deliver your take on this Netflix documentary controversy. 'I just can't believe all this CURIOSITY.' Pun intended. 😂 As long as it's TRUTHFUL and SINCERE, I hope a Prince documentary will come to life. I'd prefer one created by his good friend Sheldon Jackson Lee aka Spike. ❤ I wish I could meet Lenny too! I love him! ♊❤ 🎸 That Billy Sparks line is sooooooo ICONIC! 😂💜

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@danavixen6274 agree no lies from WAS scorn lovers

[@ladonna1902]

I would have liked a documentary from Spike Lee as well. He would have focused more on the music. But he probably would have had difficulties with Netflix if the document wasn't salacious enough. I wonder if that's the reason why Ava Duvernay quit.

[@danavixen6274]

​@@ladonna1902AGREED! Tammy was right! There should be a balanced documentary about PRN.

[@taunjap]

Spike is top on my list ​@ladonna1902

[@thefunktastics2871]

No one needs to know everything you’ve done in your life just because you’re famous. Privacy is a right for all of us even after death. 💜

[@lynnerussell4263]

That part

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

I fully agree It’s bad gossiping when someone is alive and it’s even worse when the person is dead. Trashy people.

[@ran777m]

A non fan makes a 6hr Doc, very odd. The easy and most common part for them is to bring down our hero's, just look at most vids and Doc's on Mj . I wish I knew the closed door reason why Ava pulled out from making her Doc on him, I do believe truth, Love and respect would've been the goal if she had done it. I would like to see it Good, Bad what ever. At the end of it he will still be Prince/Prince Rogers Nelson to me. One last thing since everybody is undecided about these 6 hours just wait until they make a Prince biopic, that will be mess

[@crystalsmith6249]

I will say he knew the implications of not having a will.

[@kelvendyson1508]

Why can't we just let this man rest in peace!! He's gone!! I'm so sick and tired of people either telling b.s stories or building upon a story! I saw this man in 1980 and I knew he was a game changer then. This man gave us so much music...to choose from in his career and he tried to educate and elevate about the music industry and now we getting into sh-- talking. He was who he was and that was it! He built his own world and he existed in that world. Please let's just let this man rest in peace! It's been over 8 years and what now is the point! Ava DuVernay walked away from it. So why...why! If you couldn't enjoy him while he was here then that's your issue. I have my memories of music and the 13 times I saw him!! Please, please, just let this man rest in peace.

[@grneyeddlbaby]

Ava chose not to do a hit piece as apparently Netflix has a history of doing on black celebrities.

[@kelvendyson1508]

@grneyeddlbaby ...no...the report I read was she was getting push back from his estate specifically Tyka who wanted to have a say in every aspect of the doc. Ava wanted a doc that showed him in various lights and the estate didn't want that...or, at least that was my take away.

[@royalmindscheme]

Putting the pictures of him being deceased in the series is crazy

[@TheThrillerEffect]

We all heard his music with open minds and innocent ears. That's where I will continue to be when I listen to Prince. I don't know him personally and his music is beautiful. It can't not be. When we start to judge the works of Tolkien, Whitman, etc using the same calculus, then there may be a conversation. Till then Dance on.

[@SoundDisconnected]

Why not let us see the whole story for ourselves? Prince was a complex and flawed human being like the rest of us. He had his good and bad sides but we tend to want fantasy versions of a persons life and not the whole picture. The estate IMO hasn’t done a great job with his legacy.They seem to only be concerned with the Purple Rain era of this man’s career because it’s the most popular. Over 40 years of music and we haven’t got a focus on much else

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

You said, "He had his good and bad sides, but we tend to want fantasy versions of a person’s life and not the whole picture." But seriously, can you speak for millions of Prince fans? I mean, Jerry Garcia was addicted to heroin, and some of his fans practically put him on a cross. Let’s be real...lol.

[@SoundDisconnected]

@@ancient_knowledge_7As a fan of Prince which I assume you are what would you like to happen with this?

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

@@SoundDisconnected There's so much to appreciate. Personally, I would love to learn more about Prince’s philanthropic efforts that he quietly kept out of the public eye.

[@MFalowo]

Also, I'm 25 and a lot of people my age and younger don't resonate with his music. They can't even list 3 songs. I know someone my age that's never even heard Purple Rain. Cancel culture is very real, and they will cancel you for generations! If the general public even hear a whisper in this documentary about him hitting women (they'd yell abuser), how he married Mayte (they'd say groomer), what he said to Wendy and Lisa (they'd say he's a homophobe) he would be cancelled. I get the part about hearing his creative process, but nobody around my age is going to care about that if stuff like this is mentioned.

[@lynnerussell4263]

Exactly. The estate knows this. It will never be released. Cant say I blame them. No one cares about his personal business or the bad choices he made in life with mayte and the others 😮

[@skygazer6898]

Is this not because his music is rarely heard on the radio? I work in an office where we play music all day long. I am the oldest at 67, but a lot of our bank workers are in their twenties. I take all my Prince CDs in and play them all day long LOL. It is allowed because I am their senior LOL. We had a young guy of 23 who dismissed Prince and said he couldn't stand Purple Rain. I played Art Official Age and the two HitnRun albums and by the end of the day, he admitted he was wrong and that Prince was not shite (his words) As I always say, the Purple Rain era was awesome but Prince was about a whole lot more than that.

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@skygazer6898 Exactly. And that is weird that you dont hear much of his music on the radio, you may hear little red Corvette, delirious, I wonder why that is. And definitely they should play him more for the Millennials since 90 percent of them never heard his music, or they are persuaded in how he is a pervert, yes the comments are awful from the Millennials some Prince old fans also. And this is from books they read and other podcast that forgets he is human made mistakes

[@zakiasimpson8928]

Wendy and Lisa are mad Prince fired them and like to take credit for his genius, like to center themselves in his life story . Prince didn’t fire many band members. Mayte didn’t like that he divorced her and moved on and remarried. Jill Jones slapped him and struggles with Prince not being that into her and jealous of the women he was really into like Susan Moonsie and Vanity. She seemed to be messing with him on the low at first. She seems embarrassed and bitter. She has to own the way she carried herself and not just make Prince all bad and herself all good . There were a lot more people in his world, weird the director focused on them. His life kept going after the 80s and after divorce. And there are a lot more people he dealt with, seem like he zoomed in on the bitter and self indulged people with negativity to share. Prince had a right to fire, divorce and not be that into people. Makes sense Ava Duvernay left and Cat Glover no longer wanted to be apart of doc once questioned. Feels like this may have been been the plan from the beginning for some involved to make his life into a soap opera.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

Eric Leeds said Prince wanted to move forward and play music the Revolution couldn’t play.

[@lynnerussell4263]

Agree, he was human like everyone else on this planet called earth. He can do as he please with his life, maytag and jill etc all want a 5 minutes of fame they need to take some seats, jill was what 3 decades ago if not longer, maytag 2 decades. Really I don't want to hear from either of them

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@lynnerussell4263Cat never talked shite about P. Never caused any problems and only have good words and excellent funny stories. She left elegantly. Wise strong good heart girl. Miko, Levi, Fink, Bobby, Rosie, Sonny, Morris H, Michael B, Atlanta Bliss, Mike Scott, Dez, Renato, 3rd eye girls, etc etc there are so many ex band mates and people that respect the man and I’m sure they have bad stories but they don’t spread them. Just a few ones are causing trouble or unnecessary negativity

[@zakiasimpson8928]

@@Cormac-jd2kx Right and they try to make Prince so wrong for owning his own career and make it about them and their band

[@dejagreen806]

@@zakiasimpson8928Very true! Did any of his male band members get interviewed? It seems from this article a lot of exes were interviewed. I want to hear from his actual peers in the music industry, other musicians outside of the Revolution. Also not interviewing people who worked with him and were around in his last years doesn’t give us a full picture of him. Only focusing on the 80s people isn’t telling Prince’s story in its entirety.

[@csumcreates]

For me, I’m gonna pass on the doc. “To keep it a buck” as brotha Dean would say, I’m a little protective of P, because he was introduced to me (and I’m sure with others) at an important part of my life. To see somewhat of a mentor (if that makes sense cause I didn’t know the man) presented a certain way without him being here to represent himself, I’m not good with. I would rather see a documentary where the creative direction is to use what footage they have for P to speak for himself. It’s his story to tell.

[@LocoArt]

In today's world, those 9 hours will be reduced into a handful of salacious youtube shorts or tik tok videos. There will be zero focus on the music and, to the mass public, his image will be distorted.

[@lynnerussell4263]

Exactly. I dont care about his personal life, just the music. I dont blame the estate

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

I never cared about his personal life but if I get to know that he was a hardcore wild rockstar that banged gold diggers and only cared about his music, business and persona I would like him even more.

[@TheMuleFunk]

Thank you

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

@@lynnerussell4263 I certainly blame the estate. They are incompetent.

[@skygazer6898]

So right! The Estate can't shut it down

[@marioavila1235]

Prince was only a human , people alway put him on a pedestal . But he made mistakes like everyone else.

[@belladonna5904]

Right and he never claimed to be this humanitarian and perfect person like MJ.

[@zakiasimpson8928]

@@marioavila1235 and so were the other people involved. Its easy to make him all bad and not analyze themselves

[@TheMuleFunk]

​@@zakiasimpson8928 Exactly. People are in it to get what they can from it.

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

She has admitted to slapping him. Additionally, there is concern that Hollywood often seizes opportunities to portray Black men negatively. It raises the question of how many documentaries featuring white men can be recalled where they are depicted as abusers of women. While we hope for a balanced portrayal, Prince’s supporters are likely more informed about his life and character than the documentary's producers.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@ancient_knowledge_7 is she white?

[@grneyeddlbaby]

I'm very disappointed in Jill Jones, very. Why didn't she speak on this while he was alive. Jeez Jill

[@marioavila1235]

IDK Prince isn't here 2 tell his side of the story and say what is true .....

[@MC-sj2ji]

BIG Pass. I have his music. I don't need stories that may dirty his name when he isn't here to offer his side. HIS ROYAL BADNESS 4EVER.

[@EdwardStone-j1j]

There's no way you can have a respectful documentary without being honest anything else might as well be an after school special I know he the time wrong I know he was bogus when it came to writing credits I know he was difficult with his band mates but also know his brilliance and creativity all should be showcased

[@sirpoppinchuck]

Man I watched this very dark documentary about Prince n his upbringing it was a trip. It said his step father would beat him then throw him lock him into his room for weeks at a time so that’s how he got sooo good at playing instruments it was some other weird sexual stuff happening too, his focus on young girls/ women! I already knew the dark occultist spiritual stuff he was into before he came to know who God really was. It was called “Prince or Predator The scandalous life of Prince “ on KZbin Life Luker page. Yeah I see why he was so obsessed with music, controlling, and a perfectionist . People want to blame it on Astrology but that’s a lame excuse so everybody born in that month is that way got two or more personalities? No! The music never let him down or hurt him. He was like Bruce Lee “a true artist that learned how to honestly express himself thru his art” - music. This really gave me a different look into his life growing up. Remember he was kicked out when he was twelve.

[@MakeArtNotWar2023]

Are you familiar with Howard Bloom? He is the music publicist and author who had a meeting with Prince to build his image, style and persona before the Dirty Mind album was recorded. I think that meeting was the catalyst for Prince's alchemical transformation as an artist.

[@awparadoxx]

You watched tabloid garbage … what do you expect?? Everything you said that you saw in this POS is wrong! You mixed up stories of what his father did with what his stepfather did! Nonsense

[@cmberrian]

Yeah he was human, but not like the rest of us. There's billions of people out there who treat others badly or donbad things to other people but they're hairdressers, doctors, lawyers, factory workers, whatever's, they ain't fuckin geniuses that have brought good things to millions. Fuckin leave him alone.

[@TaurusCurrie]

I met a member of the NPG in the late 90s. I told him that I’m a huge fan and had to know how it felt working for Prince and being around day to day. His immediate response was, “since you’re a big fan, I don’t want to disappoint you with the truth. You should probably never meet your heroes.” That is why I am torn about the release of the documentary. I too want to see the performance footage and hear more music, but do I want to see unflattering intimate flaws that would have me disappointed in someone I’ve admirerd almost my entire life? I think true Prince heads want to see it and will accept the flaws and remain fans and continue to enjoy the music and respect his legacy. The casual fans however may try to cancel him. Unfortunately we currently live in a cancel culture.

[@TheMuleFunk]

I wouldn't want to work for him. I believe he was , in the words of Jerry Lee Lewis, "a Rock N Roll motherfucker."

[@lynnerussell4263]

Your right Taurus. And the estate is trying not to let that happen

[@kevinmccreary7439]

They always try to throw dirt on our icons after they die.

[@lynnerussell4263]

That part

[@belladonna5904]

In Michael's case it was deserved.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@belladonna5904you mean he really was a pedophile?

[@qwertyzxaszc6323]

No one can hide the truth

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@qwertyzxaszc6323 whose truth, we dont know his truth 😯

[@evarene07]

I still love Jill. And this America. She can say whatever she likes. However, what we are saying is don’t be hypocritical . Nobody made her stick around for years, waiting on his phone calls, waiting on his visits. That was her decision to be part of that harem. We’re not defending him, because Prince was human with frailties like Jill, like everyone else. Talk to your therapist not the world. I’m sure there’s skeletons in her closet she’d rather not have smeared across her name. Here we are 8 years later, and his closest confidants are still eating off his plate. BTW, Prince will never be cancelled. His true fams have always treated him as a person, not some “god…IMO he had childhood traumas and experiences that sometimes filtered into his adult life. Was he ever controlling, difficult, maybe abusive - probably. Is that something that needs to be monetized - Absolutely Not.

[@skygazer6898]

You do know, that there are many women in abusive relationships, that always stick around because they love their man?

[@Anabee399]

Great show!💜💟

[@melvinrushii153]

I want 2 see this Prince documentary on Netflix.... Prince was complicated GENIUS

[@marioavila1235]

Prince could have handle his legal affairs better, should have had a will and left Mayte some $$...... cause the state of MPLS took HALF of his estate when he pass away. Millions ! that why they named that highway after him,..... cause they used his $ 2 pay 4 it.

[@lynnerussell4263]

What about the second wife whom he was better to longer, and why would he leave maytag any money when he hadn't been married to her at that time in 16 years, really. He did right he left both of them ZERO $$$

[@strauqq1]

This was good

[@michelangelo3121]

Probably nothing there. Prince recorded 247. I don't know how he had the time!

[@DigifuwilG]

why cant there be two docs? there is obviously enough mateerial. a music doc and a prince the person, watch which ever one you want.

[@creditorclass6513]

When you're lonely and you've shut everyone out, you don't have to clean up the way you used to. You're not expecting company.

[@allurainsetta8116]

I’m so done with Jill! She been nothing flip flopping in recent interviews and the way she speaks about him it’s like she still hates him but she claims she had closure with him during concert in 2016 and she did tribute song to him “Miss you” but seeing her recent interviews and this article it’s clear she still bitter because her career didn’t take off and now she claim that man she love is punching her in the face repeatedly are you serious? if that did happen maybe you shouldn’t have slapped him in the face in the first place if true, But you still wanted to be with him after that, I’m sorry but that doesn’t make any sense because why wait 8 years later now, Prince is not here to defend himself.

[@swingriots1549]

Wait...are you suggesting that people might have complicated relationships, thoughts and feelings that aren't completely binary? WELL I NEVER!!

[@creditorclass6513]

At the end of the day, there are other projects Netflix wants to do with this exclusive access to the vault. They paid for it and Lord help the estate if Netflix decides they haven't been able to exploit what they paid for. We can't stop them from taking that pound of flesh from a brotha's legacy. It's spiritual. Prince, Michael, and others have messed with folks who control the means of distribution, and they don't forgive. Prince's issues started when he abandoned a PR campaign way too early when the powers believed he would make a seriously expensive play for MJ's spot...he left money on the table. Prince's estate needs to read the room and understand that he's not a Civil Rights Hero, he's a highly dysfunctional Super Human level genius, and it's more important to get that story out there than playing the race game with these folks. Remember, at one of Prince's speeches, he clearly said "it's their game."

[@mikedeangelo286]

#1 QUESTION !!! ANYBODY KNOWS WHO WILL PLAY AS PRINCE ?? TUFF ACT 2 FOLLOW!!!! WOULD'NT YALL AGREE??

[@awparadoxx]

This is nonsense and a waste of time!

[@MFalowo]

Ok so here's my take on this whole Jill Jones thing. I'm upset at the fact that she has done interviews for YEARS talking about how she loves him, but when she's talking about him there has always been a negative undertone. If you're still feeling some type of way about him, don't agree to do interviews about him just because of the money opportunity or the clout! And then to see the screenshots of her in FB calling him a groomer and saying he didn't look happy and he's alone just because he wanted to keep putting out music, it didn't sit right. Then to find out she told interviewers he punched her in the face repeatedly after she attacked him, doesn't sit right with me. Why do we need to know that y'all got in a fight?! Like even if y'all had that altercation, why on Earth did she think we needed to know that?!

[@lynnerussell4263]

Ex was band mates and ex scorn lovers all want $$$ and 5 minutes of fame, what I dont understand is why interviewers give this people attention. 🤷‍♀️

[@santacruz7455]

sorry, she is only supposed to do interviews if she has positive things to say? No , sorry

[@evarene07]

@@santacruz7455Listen, I still love Jill. And this America. She can say whatever she likes. However, what we are saying is don’t be hypocritical . We’re not defending him, because Prince was human with frailties like Jill, like everyone else. Talk to your therapist not the world. I’m sure there’s skeletons in her closet she’d rather not have smeared across her name.

[@skygazer6898]

@@evarene07 Jill Jones has every right to speak her truth.

[@anetricejones4263]

You can't tell J.J. how to feel about Prince she was in a relationship with him as well as a music relationship..Those are her feelings and her specific memories of him. Much love to Jill.💜

[@Victor74391]

So she hit m and he hit her back? Stop the BS please. Don’t make this bigger than it is. So he was human? I am a Huge fan but it wouldn’t surprise me if Prince had a personality disorder. Probably the shadow side of HIM being highly intelligent.

[@skygazer6898]

She is dating him and then in front of her he starts kissing her friend, I would have slapped him myself. Prince was not perfect, far from it

[@p.burley4533]

I am wary of any Prince documentary given mainstream's oddly persistent agenda trying to diminish Black men. Like Eddie Griffin said, the "asterisk." Prince did leave clean, so now his legacy has to get raked over the coals either bluntly or subtly. His childhood trauma you mentioned somehow escaped my knowledge. But most of all Prince was still human and an unmatched talent. The only thing I would disagree with, is that I wouldn't do like McMillan, meddling in the estate if Prince had him escorted off the premises, business or not, then making derogatory references to Prince. I would have had enough respect to stay away. McMillan's mere involvement in Paisley Park in any way is therefore disrespectful and corrupt. See how he sued the other content creator for her activism?

[@murphdrag2100]

I refuse to watch some 6 hour edited fluff piece

[@3ver4fter53]

I can't believe you guys are discussing this and have not yet seen Ezra Edelman's masterpiece about O.J. Simpson. This is not just about OJ, this is about America and this is about the history of Black people in America. One of the most subtile documentaries I have ever seen. Come on guys...

[@ronnix23]

Tammy's talking about the documentary like it's just a hit piece. I don't believe that the case. The article mentions many positives about Prince like his charitable contributions. If it was just a hit piece, the estate would've just said you can't release this, but that's not what they did. They gave the filmmaker notes, and edits to make so that they would be comfortable with it coming out. That tells me there's a lot about it that they liked. Many people just focus on the negative even if it's only a small part of the film. I would like to see it for myself and make up my own mind. Btw, I did watch the OJ doc, and he did a fantastic job of explaining why OJ was the way he was.

[@TheMuleFunk]

Did he explain how Simpson was framed by Mark Fuhrman? If he didn't explain it he didn't do his job because that is what happened. Again when talking about Prince's death will he talk about the accident that led to Prince's hip problems and why the hip surgery didn't work before launching into he was a drug addicted rock star? Will he mention the fact that the Moline incident was not Fentanyl related but something else?

[@vivian6204]

Cancel culture are all hypocrites. To them some people have to go and others not. I will never cancel PRINCE ROGER NELSON . This Netflix movie and all involved it's their twisted truth. Hey cancel culture with all your biases why won't you people cancele DONALD TRUMP ONCE AND FOR ALL, AND LEAVE PRINCE ALONE.

[@creditorclass6513]

Sinead deserves an apology?.

[@grneyeddlbaby]

No, if it happened she spit on him 1st. Spitting on someone is beyond disrespectful and also in most states considered assault. So no!

[@creditorclass6513]

@grneyeddlbaby I'm not sure I could have stood down on spitting male or female. As a much younger man, I had problems with anger and impulse control. However, that wasn't the consensus in the Prince fan community. We questioned whether an interaction with him could ever go south that way despite none of us knowing him. We talked about mental health, which she obviously had issues with, we projected our hero worship on her. This documentary is not coming out because the estate is out of step with modern PR, and we don't want to deal with what we've projected on this man.

[@grneyeddlbaby]

@creditorclass6513 to be honest I really can't picture him punching or slapping a woman for any reason. I however know we all have breaking points and a instinctual response to being hit or spit on is possible. Seeing how this can now cause clout chasers to come out, I have a problem with them waiting until after his death to come out, Ms JILL JONES. I just know somehow Susannah is gonna interject herself and come up with a story too. Too me it's not a deal breaker. For 1 I love his music and am not perfect myself by any means. 2 if you didn't address it while he was breathing especially since Cosby and others were already called out giving you a platform, I'm not gonna believe you now.

[@creditorclass6513]

@grneyeddlbaby I can't see it either, but as we are seeing the degenerate veil of these people come down, nothing surprises. Youth is a factor as well as being challenged as a small fella and full disclosure. I am a little guy who was known for the disproportionate response to challenge...by my big homies, lol. The female thing, though, has a little James Brown to it, though, the injury of distrust. I can imagine him being hard in his expectations of women. The thing for me is that I don't believe canceling is a real quantifiable thing for the Giants, and 9 hrs is justifiable in illustrating exactly why Prince is a thing. My grandkids see him as some odd, little banished rival of MJ, and 9 hrs will explain why grandpa isn't crazy when he says musically Prince WON. He's our Mozart, and any comparison to mere hitmakers is an insult.

[@TheMuleFunk]

Michael Dean... You keep talking about everyone has done some shit but your personal shit hasn't been revealed. His personal shit shouldn't be put out because we all knew him through the music.

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

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[@TheMuleFunk]

​@ancient_knowledge_7 Telli Tubbies like the March 3rd Black Messiah memo which instructed for Black icons to be discredited.

[@Par_Avion1]

The film in question is not a "take down" of Prince, but rather a meticulously researched exploration of the man behind the genius. It delves into his true nature, beyond the public persona, offering valuable insights and lessons from his remarkable life. A superficial fluff piece would not provide such depth of understanding. If the content is not to your liking, you are free to refrain from viewing it.

[@Anabee399]

The Truth is what it is for many reasons.

[@Anabee399]

Big Sexy said it well. Why hide anything? Let everyone tell their story and let the people have their thoughts.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

Well, if you respect the man then you shouldn’t bring things up when he can’t defend himself. It’s called “respect” Prince said he says it all with his music. If he wanted to keep private issues private you should respect that. Obviously anyone is free to talk. It’s not against the law. He never talked shit about anybody. He never took part in the gossip scene. What’s next? Band mates telling the press Prince once had Diarrhoea before a concert?

[@TheMuleFunk]

What does defamatory information about the subject have to do with the point of the documentary except defame the subject.

[@Anabee399]

@TheMuleFunk The truth is what it is despite celebrity status. Prince was also a human subject to life experiences and choices in this thing called life.

[@plmitch]

​@@Anabee399👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@TheMuleFunk]

A will wouldn't have stopped a hit job?

[@creditorclass6513]

The grooming video did not affect me as a girl dad. It only speaks to Mayte's father and the fathers of the girls he courted. As a man, protecting your daughter is a huge responsibility. Not everyone is built for it. Had my "favorite artist" stepped to me about my teenage daughter, we'd be talking about all the different sides of me, not the other way around.

[@luxekook]

I listened to a podcast about the documentary and it had the writer of the article speaking. She said that there’s nothing shocking in the documentary, there’s no allegations other than Jill Jones and she said that lots of women loved working with Prince. She also mentioned that she wasn’t a fan before, but now she is and she watched it multiple times. This makes me think we don’t know the details of the Jill Jones incident, she did already admit she hit Prince first, so I’m sure the incident is discussed in a way that doesn’t make Prince seem like an abusive villain. And the article mentions that he never slept with anyone under 18, so he has no pedo allegations or anything. So, Prince wouldn’t be cancelled if this came out. He was a great person who had flaws, just like anyone else- and low points in his life. The woman also mentioned that the estate hated many minor aspects of the documentary, including the way they portrayed Paisley Park with dark lighting, etc, so it’s not because of some hidden P Diddy type stuff.

[@lynnerussell4263]

Yes he would be canceled by the younger generation and the comments I seen on other podcast about him and maytag based of what was written in her book and other podcasts she has done on him abandoning her, her fake guardianship of her, him stating he wanted to marry her at 16 the list goes on, the comments were awful. The estate is correct and has all the right to stop it. It's a business now and they have to keep the money flowing in to keep pp open and music selling

[@luxekook]

@@lynnerussell4263 I’m Gen Z and I love Prince + I think he doesn’t deserve to be cancelled. Maybe I’m more level headed than others though. Also, I read Mayte’s book and there’s nothing that’s “cancel worthy” in there, just a complicated situation between the two of them with highs and lows. Even Mayte still loves Prince and doesn’t want him to be cancelled.

[@luxekook]

@@lynnerussell4263 If it’s bad, it should be stopped because people are very reactive nowadays. Which podcast was that?

[@luxekook]

@@lynnerussell4263 It’s silly if people cancel him for saying that, because to my knowledge he didn’t say he wanted to marry her as a 16 year old, but before he knew her age he saw her standing outside the stadium and said “that’s my future wife” as a joke from his tour bus as he was going to his concert (the one where her parents gave him Mayte’s tape). Also, I could be wrong because my memory isn’t the greatest to this in specific but I think Mayte said in her book that Prince didn’t actually say that because one of his friends was there with him on that day and said Prince made it up to be shocking.

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@luxekook she loves price from afar, she is happily engaged. And yes some GenZ dont think like you do 🤷‍♀️ sad it's the world we live in today

[@Anabee399]

Since Prince's death, I have been reading, researching, and visiting his hometown in my 'All Things Prince Venture' for weeks, but my infatuation with him has waned. Since then, I love his stage persona, but I wouldn't say I like how he treated his protégés and women. As well as collecting and modifying others' creations to make them his own without acknowledging their work.

[@lynnerussell4263]

Cant fully blame Prince, these women allowed it for their own personal gain, is it right NO a person will only do what you allow them to do 🤷‍♀️

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

Maybe some counseling and a deeper dive into his music would help you understand him better.

[@Anabee399]

@@ancient_knowledge_7 I am a devout fan of the music and his stage persona.

[@Anabee399]

@lynnerussell4263 You nailed it. Most of them endured the blatant disrespect because of his celebrity and their gain.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@Anabee399so you are contradicting yourself basically 😂

[@saa9099]

I totally respect Jill, and I believe her. People forgot men were hitting females in the 80's. If this led me to believe in 84' when "When doves cry " was recorded. Domestic violence was starting to be addressed in 1990. Even 94' with OJ, their was plenty of warning that this wasn't good. So yes, men were still hitting girls for a long time. I don't think that part will get prince canceled. He put slapping in his movies. And think about how wrong it was to be kissing your lovers friend in front of your girl. The friend should of been off limits, by herself and prince, surely she knew Jill was sleeping with prince, I doubt that was a secret. What was he thinking? He deserved to be slapped. He probably wanted to get a reaction from Jill. as we already heard that prince told Robin to tell his girlfriend, who introduced Robin to him, that he was leaving with Robin, just to get a reaction. Prince being abandoned 4 times by age 19 probably messed him up, 2 times by his father. It's the worst thing you can do to a human, abandoned them. Just one time can mess with your head. But, I want to put a perspective on Mattie sending prince to his dad's, he had a younger sister living in the house, and curfew should be set. I'm guessing prince didn't follow curfew. So Hayward and Mattie needed to put the foot down on that important issue. His stepfather locking prince up was wrong, but maybe they didn't know what to do. I didn't even hear about CPS until I had children. Parents were on their own with their kids. I really feel for Jill, prince leading her on for years, I thought 8 years but she said she was around 11 years. We can only guess the things he told her, we hear plenty in his songs, a lot of (your the only one I want,) more than a dozen times he says (your the one,) and it's not the same girl, just the same words. My guess is prince loved to flirt and be flirted with, remember the butterflies, a good dopamine rush, well when that stopped, the girl was gone, because you guessed it a new toy came along. I can see how he would be irresistible, he was so fly and easy on the eyes too. It's pleasing to see prince pleased in concert, I understand why everyone wanted to please him. I love the Torah torah time, he had an extra skip in his step. I wish he could of kept Mayte, had children and lived a happy life. He was so cheated with Amir, very sad. His life changed in 97' and was never the same. The best guitarists ever.

[@lynnerussell4263]

He looked Happy to me, infact better after he got rid of mayte. He definitely got his groove back. Why stay with someone you dont want

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

Jill’s voice is just one perspective, and it's unfortunate that some right-wing voices are now using it to attack Prince's legacy. Sadly, we can't hear his side of the story, leaving us to sift through the noise of trolls and so-called 'experts'.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@ancient_knowledge_7 You still believe in right wing left wing ? 😂 But yeah, people should respect the man because he was very private and you need to add the most important part- he’s dead. Respect the man. He once said that everything he had to say was told with his music.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@lynnerussell4263true! Mayte was His worst era musically (following trends) physically (looked his worst ever- Oprah or the puppets) and his attitude (a simp that was trying too hard) The interview he didn’t want to talk for example. Once he got rid of her things improved

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@Cormac-jd2kx agree with you.

[@TheMuleFunk]

Let me say this about Jill. I believe her story. I think Jill's life with Prince is more of a movie than Mayte's. BUT, it needs to be done in a different platform.

[@zakiasimpson8928]

@@TheMuleFunk Her being the ultimate side chick and not getting prioritized like the other women? And him not being that into her is the story?

[@lynnerussell4263]

@@zakiasimpson8928 and what about carmen, nona, and Robin. We know maytags storytelling. I would like to hear how these 3 women brought creative to his music. Robin has shared somethings here and there. Jill sounds like she maybe a little bitter still

[@zakiasimpson8928]

@@lynnerussell4263 Prince had so many women, most have moved on with their lives and seem to take it for what it was. Not a fan of the people painting the victim narrative or trying to make Prince all bad and not being accountable for self. Some of this was liking be apart of his world , infatuation and they seem to know they were sharing him so bitterness now is just a hurt ego.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

I don’t know any other rockstar that gets so much shite from women 😂 There was a period in the 80s where there were too many overlapping -Susan Vanity Susannah Cat* Kim Anna Aura Robin Carmen Mayte 😂 and the ones we don’t know They all knew how he was but still went ahead. *I don’t know if she was personally involved with him or just professionally. In any case she did great and still doing great

[@zakiasimpson8928]

@@Cormac-jd2kx if you do it statistically with the number of women he dealt with and these 3 or 4, statistically it’s really low lol. And I don’t keep up with other rockstars so idk. I am not sure if women get to define other rockstars like they do for Prince. Maybe Prince was so private that they go to whoever will talk

[@kenneth2875]

Jill and Prince slapping each other was foreplay. They did not cancel Vanessa Williams for being in Playboy. Show the film for his true fans.

[@stephaniemeals4983]

They DID cancel Vanessa, but she came back like Jesus came back on the 3rd day! A success singer and actress.

[@danavixen6274]

​@@stephaniemeals4983Vanessa's story is one of the GREATEST comebacks of ANYONE'S time! ❤

[@danavixen6274]

Actually, it was Penthouse. Penthouse's Bob Guccione bought them from the sleazy photographer Vanessa worked with years before she made history as the first Black Miss America. The naughty pictures were released without her permission. I think she was just doing gigs like these for extra money as a college student. I heard she wanted the negatives to be destroyed.

[@danavixen6274]

​@@stephaniemeals4983Vanessa is one of my FAVORITES! So deserving of her ICONIC success. ❤

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@QueenieCallingtrue. It’s Very different a fact (posing nude) and some accusations when the man cannot defend himself. But yeah, posing nude is ok with me 😂

[@santacruz7455]

I love Prince. But: listening to all kinds of stories from people who worked and lived with him it is quite clear that he behaved like some sort of cult leader. Probably not in its worst form, but the manipulating and controlling of musicians, friends, girlfriends, etc. is pretty obvious. Its pretty disturbing and for the people who lived through this its kind of still traumatising because they often recognize only decades later that they have been taken advantage of by someone who is a musical genius and loved worldwide. What makes it worse is that fans around the world do not wish to hear these stories because it would destroy their illusions about their idol.The fact that Prince was a member of a cult ( Jehovas Witnesses) in the last decade of his life is very telling..This is not to minimize Princes achievements or importance for music and culture, but to see the whole picture. I guess it would have been great for him and his personal development and mental health ( and for those around him ) if more people stood up for others in this mixture of inspiring and toxic environement and said NO to him. The flying monkeys and yes men were a big part of the problem. And by the way reg. the young women who he contacted over decades to work with: neither of them was able to have great careers in music, he as a genius musician knew this from the start. He was manipulating these mostly very young and gorgeous women in believing that he can make things happen for them, which he did not. He pretty much set them up for professional failure.He wanted to be adored by young and pretty naive women and wasnt able to be alone. Something about him was pretty offish. ( I dont think Jill Jones is talking any rubbish, its true , but she should have left the scene much earlier , it was a toxic environment especially for women)...

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

Your mention of "stories from people who worked and lived with him" is vague and risks perpetuating stereotypes about him. It is important to be mindful of this, especially considering how some white musicians, such as those in the Grateful Dead or even Elvis Presley, have been associated with cult-like followings without facing the same level of scrutiny. Our concern lies in the disproportionate negative portrayal of Black male artists, particularly when compared to their white counterparts. Many white musicians have acknowledged the roots of jazz, blues, and country in Black culture. A similar level of respect and fairness should be applied when discussing Black artists in this context.

[@santacruz7455]

@@ancient_knowledge_7 I am not under the impression that Black artist get less respect for their achievements in music. Who is disrespecting Prince when it comes to his musical genius ? ( same for Miles Davis, James Brown, Michael Jackson, etc. etc. the list is endless). On the other hand: see how many legendary white artists have been cancelled or are critisised massively recently : Woody Allen, Elvis , Steven Tyler of Aerosmith for grooming, manipulating , etc.young women... so? If you ask me: this isnt a question of race. We seem to have an issue with MEN in powerful positions and their a*+kissing enourage who are willing to cover for every ugly detail.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

Gold diggers around him Those women knew exactly how he was and they wanted to play the game….

[@lynnerussell4263]

​​@@Cormac-jd2kxthey wanted money and was chasing stars

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@lynnerussell4263a young rockstar being promiscuous and unfaithful? Noooo never😂

[@barneyhubble8009]

Speaking about balance... some fans seem to ignore his mixture of boy and a girl mixed together with his trans spectrum. He changed his name into a symbol of it before we heard 'They/Them' pronouns. Id like that to be discussed he made it a big deal since the late 70's but teasing us with it. Its such a great part of such our iconic musician than is swept under the rug yet could really help the world advance. I think he was leaving the world a coded gift. Obviously he was into women but he knew both sides of the feminine and masculine inside himself. In such a big doc I hope its included . With huge sadness I doubt the family would allow it.💜

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

Your interpretation of 'trans' seems subjective. We would caution against making such a definitive claim about his symbol, especially since he himself stated it was not meant to be spoken. Its meaning could encompass much more than that.

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@ancient_knowledge_7so what’s the meaning of that symbol? I never liked it. I didn’t like the one he had on the motorcycle in purple rain or 1999 album. It seemed like bisexual or what

[@barneyhubble8009]

@@ancient_knowledge_7 That he encompassed his masc and feminine genes. There's a spectrum. probably inside all of us hidden somewhere. If youre afraid of the word trans thats not my problem. What would you call the spectrum? im sorry if i put the wrong word. . He's not here to explain it. The Symbol did and if he didnt want it it spoken about well silence is louder than words. Im mentioning it because i adore him and some people may not have picked up on the hugeness of the symbol because they dont understand, ignorant or push it aside. I also appreciate that peoples version of 'Prince' is theie version and that's why all types of people were all so loving of him & his music. Complaining about the word trans and youve seen prince over the years performing in womens underwear? Dont be scared of the word and no reason to come at me wed get on in life weve both got great taste in music. 😀 💜

[@barneyhubble8009]

@@Cormac-jd2kx Its a mixture of masculine and feminine. ♂♀

[@Cormac-jd2kx]

@@barneyhubble8009hate it Ridiculous. There are only 2 genders. Period.

[@friendofthechannel-i6i]

get off prince's jock, he was evil & abused women, it was obvious.

[@ancient_knowledge_7]

Trolls are more than welcome to step aside and let the adults have a meaningful conversation in peace.