Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring: Benzos, Antidepressants, Protracted Withdrawal & the FDA

[@MedicatingNormal]

Dr. Witt-Doerring has a KZbin channel now - go subscribe! www.youtube.com/@witt-doerringpsychiatry

[@shirksa1]

How can I find a coach to help with tapering and withdrawal/protracted withdrawal for Effexor?

[@MedicatingNormal]

@@shirksa1 There are a few: chrispaigelcsw.com baylissa.com

[@davidsplan4409]

This is a rough time of year especially if hospitalized and missing bills and appointments.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MedicatingNormal Also - Peter Breggin

[@Snowflake1374]

This is so important. Protracted Withdrawal is a nightmare.

[@Afura33]

Glad to see that there are still some doctors out there that are able to look outside the box :)

[@stevekaylor5606]

Able to look outside the Psychopathology axioms - and help people "Produce themselves" - as Marianne Williamson says!

[@Afura33]

@@stevekaylor5606 👍

[@upendasana7857]

OMG it is such a relief and pleasure to hear from psychiatrists like him.This why question as to why a psychiatrist like him is actually able to intellectually challenge things or sense when things are off with the usual psychiatric dogma. I think those of us who have experience with psychiatrists and the system as a whole know the "safe"people like him who have genuine inquiry and concern towards their patients and those who are ona complete and utter ego trip and just want to unstintingly follow their psych dogma and actually are avoiding and blind to theor own personal issues. Its the ones who are honest enough with themselves to know how fragile their own mental health might be at times and to recognise that many of the patients they see are not that different to them but with ceertain situations and events that they themselves could just as easily be in that position. Psychiatrists like him are exactly what we need,we need more and more of them and its sad that they still are so rare. Bring it on and thank you once again for having such psychiatrists as this on.We need more of them !! Shame on all the others who don't ask questions and fail their patients over and over again.

[@Godhealsnatureheals]

Unfortunately they charge so much to help you taper off. 13k is too much 😢

[@stevekaylor5606]

Standard of Care psychiatrists are pessimistic-Freudian ideologues - who market people via disease-like labels and neurotoxic drugs, to become cash cows!

[@ppser818]

Oh I Love his comment at about 28:22 that "Yes, people get better over time even though not sure we will be exactly the same as before the injury". That's what I need to hear right now, Today. (tapering for eight months so far from Paroxetine)

[@analysiagarcia5467]

I wish I had the money for his help. I’m lost and none of the other doctors I talk to know anything or gaslight me. I’m really getting scared. I wish I had more money man.

[@kristeandreatujague7016]

"Most people get better over time is what I see" Doctor 💙 Exactly. 🤗🤗🤗

[@ajax700]

Most get PSSD life long. Probably more than 50% of people developing PSSD. Happy histories these are not. Best wishes.

[@idesigncutethings2196]

Following to spread awareness

[@andywilson5677]

Thanks for doing these interviews. The questions asked are always really well thought out. Great work.

[@MedicatingNormal]

Thank you!

[@brendansmyth5053]

Im glad to hear this news from Australia 🇦🇺 I’m a survivor of PAWS and doing great mostly. I’m 3.9 years protracted. Cymbalta is the devil and Doctors are uneducated in slow, safe tapering methods.

[@wallybingbang4350]

I'm withdrawing from Cymbalta. Evil bastards to prescribe me that drug knowing my negative history with antidepressants.

[@brendansmyth5053]

@@wallybingbang4350 sorry to hear mate. Keep going. Healing takes time. Be good to yourself 🙏🏻

[@kiwi5162]

Dr. Peter Breggin's book "Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal"

[@garyvann4678]

Excellent as always by Dr. Josef. Hopefully Medicating Normal and he will address what to do to develop psychotherapy skills as the pills are tapered- eliminated. This is where Mindfully Based Cognitive Therapy, Dialectical BT, Marital Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Tx and Internal Family Systems, among others come in When the patient says to the Doctor Im depressed ..the response needs to be."What are you depressed or anxious about?" Then refer out for non-drug psychological treatment.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Yes, when someone is depressed or anxious - have an intense conversation with him and work out some improvements. This was the approach of Harry Stack Sullivan, through the 1950s. Then enlist him in happy clapping, stomping and laughing classes. This non-drug therapy is a Laughter Yoga approach to enthusing the subconscious!

[@Q1776Q]

Great interview!!!

[@vikasgupta1828]

Thanks

[@Q1776Q]

The appropriate word for Benzo Withdrawal is ... BRAIN AND CNS DAMAGE

[@stevekaylor5606]

Tardive Dyskinesia; 2nd Degree Assault!

[@Snowflake1374]

Yes its brain and CNS injury. Can you heal really?

[@Vancouver_1986]

Protracted nervous system dysfunction. Temporary Injury. Temporary damage.

[@AlbaLynxQueen]

It's so sad that doctors over prescribe these drugs. They do a lot of damage

[@stevekaylor5606]

Destructive - while doctors claim to be 'helping!'

[@kellyedahlgreen8070]

OMG I am withdrawing now..... I'm going to share my story with you as soon as I can. 14 years alprolazam 1 mg a day.... Second time coming off cold turkey....

[@mysticmardi]

Good for you. Ten years clean myself and like the hostess of this broadcast I still get symptoms. But they had me on for 24 years

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication, a cathexis!

[@jaimeeporter577]

I'm just looking for a little more answers because im in the dark about this. My boyfriend was put on clonazepam for 7 months and was not told much of anything and especially was not told if he wanted to discontinue it he needed to come back ans slowly taper of it. I should mention he was prescribed it for insomnia and to jelp manage his anxiety. Shortly before we got together he went off it completely cold turkey. He is now having serious side affects from grand mal seizures, severe aniexty, not wanting to eat, tremors and the list goes on. And also for whatever reason he had been five years sober and shortly after starting the clonazepam he has relapsed with drinking. I am just trying to see what i can do to get him the best help and asking as many questions as i can since this is new to me. This is very hard to watch because he's literally become a shell of who he used to be.

[@MedicatingNormal]

You might start by reading The Ashton Manual

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MedicatingNormal Work toward Psychiatric abolition!

[@thesaint9276]

I went cold turkey off Xanax 16 months ago. I’ve developed mild agoraphobia and can no longer drive on freeways. My symptoms are getting better as time goes on but the freeway problem is getting worse. Has anyone else developed phobias like this? I used to love driving and have driven all over the country. Now I have to take surface streets.

[@MedicatingNormal]

I have this. Sadly, it is common for benzo wd. -Nicole

[@thesaint9276]

@@MedicatingNormal how long have you had it? Does it ever go away?

[@MedicatingNormal]

@@thesaint9276 I have seen it resolve in many people who healed. I have had it for a very long time, but I also was cold-turkey'ed off of many meds.

[@thesaint9276]

@@MedicatingNormal oh great 🤦‍♂️. Well I wish you the best, thanks

[@MedicatingNormal]

@@thesaint9276 you as well. Hang in there!

[@mvann5]

Dr. Josef, do you have a take on Dayvigo as a sleep aid? I went thru the whole tapering off benzo nightmare, which was brought to a climax by an AD being prescribed. So it has been years. Still have the original sleep problem and wondered if Dayvigo might be safe... or mostly so?? Thank you for your opinion! It costs a fortune, of course. But want to avoid ambien and any benzo. Thanks!

[@rachelleshadley7143]

How do I stop the protracted withdrawal

[@MedicatingNormal]

It is usually time that heals folks. Some folks do opt to reinstate or updose as well, depending on their circumstances w their taper and how quickly they went, how sick they are, how far off, etc.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MedicatingNormal A loving dedication: for what one thinks, speaks about and does is mental health, within a Quality Report. Time to phase out tinkerings with DSM labels, drugs and 2nd guesses!

[@user-ww5ui4fd9n]

I had a adverse reaction to 3 doses of ssri (Lex) 7 months ago. I wish I could hear of cases that have recovered from this as there aren’t many. I’ve maybe come across a handful. I feel as if I’ve had a set back and currently in a terrible wave. I hear so much about the benzo community, and those struggling with tapering or ct’ing anti-d’s, but what about us who only took a few doses? I refuse to take any meds. No supplements, no otc meds.. nothing. I suffer through the migraines and all the other symptoms because this has been so traumatic. I’ve never felt so much fear in all my life. I would love your input on this!

[@kristengray5668]

Hey, how are you now?? I hope better! I’m going through the same thing right now, wasn’t on Lexapro but a week and before that I did a week and a half of Clonazepam. Have had burning skin sensation throughout my body since then, 6 months now. I am better than I was a few months ago, but not there yet.

[@user-ww5ui4fd9n]

@@kristengray5668 hey! I’m 13 months out and still going through it unfortunately. I caught cvd 2 months ago and it set me back pretty bad. I have severe insomnia, terrible anxiety (chemical), racing thoughts and really bad adrenaline/cortisol surges throughout the night. I am better than I was since beginning but I’m still bad off. I feel if my sleep would come back I would ok to handle the rest of it. Happy to hear you are doing better! Just takes time

[@kristengray5668]

@@user-ww5ui4fd9n good to hear you’re somewhat better too! This honestly has been so tough/scary and I can’t even believe all this happened from not a long time use. Here’s to continued healing!

[@user-ww5ui4fd9n]

@@kristengray5668 it’s truly a traumatic experience! I hear most people start to feel better around 18-24 months (some sooner, some later) but the vast majority. I’m praying we all get through this!!

[@Slidehhy]

​@@user-ww5ui4fd9nhow are you now ??

[@shawnacees8633]

Wondering if the Dr is referring to Ketamine for people who are off their Benzo or is it ok while tapering and in tolerance wd?

[@rachelleshadley7143]

Is there a medicine to help besides benzo withdrawels

[@Vancouver_1986]

@ 29:00 - agreed. Protracted/long-term isn't a specific-enough term. I don't want to ruffle any feathers or point fingers/blame. Nobody's blaming anyone. What's done is done. No problem at all. What else can you say? But it needs to be more specific when you're talking to GP's/Psychiatrists/Neurologists/OBGYNs/etc. Just so they can understand better. They're trying to get you back to work as soon as humanely possible so you can pay rent/mortgage, because we don't live in huts anymore. That's literally it. We all think it's kind of ironic that we turn to Psychotropic Pharmaceuticals *because of* modern society stress. Ah well.

[@mysticmardi]

his willingness to keep the poison going scares me. But it’s a good thing he’s here. Can you see the psunami approaching? How many are currently doing dailies? And when the spigot runs out we are going to have a massive meltdown. When do we get to tell them it causes permanent brain damage and essentially sterilizes them?

[@stevekaylor5606]

You are telling them here - about what Psychiatrists are doing to their cash cows!

[@lindabarolet4057]

Im going through wtlithdrawal from clonazapam. My doctor had me on this drug for 11 years. I had no idea this was not clinically wise. So, now I have just recently halved my medication dose from 1 mg to .50. I'm not sleeping much and I now experience chronic back pain. My doctor is aware of my going off drugs but I don't trust him concerning these drugs any longer. I'm not sure what to do or who to turn to. The withdrawal symptoms I have learned are longer and harder compared to alcohol and other addictive drugs. What should I do as I go through this withdrawal. I'm on vitamins under a consultation concerning my situation. I have friends checking in on me and my husband is helpful. I'm intimidated on my doing it alone but I don't trust doctors now. Do you have any suggestions?

[@MedicatingNormal]

Halving a dose of benzodiazepines is almost never advised. Please read up at the following resources in order to learn more about safe, slow tapering of benzodiazepines: (1) benzo.org.uk/manual (2) benzoinfo.com (3) withdrawal.theinnercompass.org (4) benzobuddies.org Good luck!

[@amandaperkins2295]

My suggestions are the books of Maya Zahira. Darkness Disguised as Light and the Psychic Attack Sourcebook.

[@Filthycoffin]

Ketamine made me worse! I did large IV 50mg and I pissed blood couldn’t move went to hell couldn’t breath. It was the heaviest feeling ever. I’d say it was worse than the CT itself.

[@JacquiQ]

I would not touch any of those drugs he talked abt. Ketamine? Really ? G*d. I have pain from tapering Benzo's ...I just have a limit as to how much I can cut each time, it has to be very small, if I keep it small I d not get the pain.

[@stephencaudill2422]

how about switch from benzo's to medical marijuana

[@rachelleshadley7143]

Can someone tell me how to tell my ohycistrist that I have benzo withdrawels

[@stevekaylor5606]

If he won't listen - give him Due Process!

[@1littleway]

How do I get in touch with Dr. Wit-Doerring?

[@MedicatingNormal]

Hi, the link to his website is in the video description!

[@rachelleshadley7143]

I had a doctor diagnosis me with fdn

[@stevekaylor5606]

She mentions Allen Francis. In 2012, he said on T.V. - "Psych drugs cause mass shootings!"

[@craftygirl17]

Where can I find the movie Medicating Normal in Canada?

[@MedicatingNormal]

Hi Sandy, Not sure where you're located, but if you'd like to attend an IN-PERSON screening, there's one happening on June 10 in Calgary: events.ucalgary.ca/obrien/#!view/event/event_id/405849 Please only register if you plan to attend, as seats are limited. If you want to rent the film, you can do so via Vimeo: vimeo.com/ondemand/medicatingnormal

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MedicatingNormal Not in Canada's MAID Act, like Tiergarten 4!

[@palm3rfishman]

When was this recorded? I'm curious about the date....

[@MedicatingNormal]

May 2022

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MedicatingNormal Too bad there is so much remedy seeking - for iatrogenic machinations!

[@jmartin5888]

has anyone ttried sinemet for benzo pain?

[@ENJIMEEREBAY]

I also would like to know if anyone has tried. I have had post benzo anhedonia for near three years now.

[@thesaint9276]

@@ENJIMEEREBAY how long were you on for and did you taper or go cold turkey? Also have you gotten better over time?

[@clintparsons3989]

This Doctor is like a hotter version of Kylo Ren.

[@GCT1990]

.... Good eye, I can for sure see a little Adam Driver in him

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@GCT1990 Josef is much better in the Psychology Is Podcasts!

[@rachelleshadley7143]

Can u take anything for this

[@stevekaylor5606]

Taking various things - does suit the Mental Health Industry - Pharmaceutical co-franchise!

[@jmartin5888]

this is drug induced parkinsonism

[@stevekaylor5606]

1st Degree Assault!

[@snuppypuppy6693]

snuppy puppy says hi!