Medieval Fake News: August 2021 Edition!

Fake news! It's everywhere these days. We read millions of words every year, and so many of them are badly researched and made to tempt us it's hard to know what's what.
In this video we look at a couple of things that have happened recently that raised BIG archaeology and history red flags. The first is to do with Magna Carta, and how people misinterpret historical documents to try to further their own agendas. The second is, in my opinion, nothing more than a hoax that has fooled a number of people, and caused a huge amount of fuss on the internet.
If it turns out not to be, I've got a horrible punishment all set for myself!
Join me as we have a look at just why these things seem so outlandish and outrageous to archaeologists, historians, reenactors and researchers.
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[@sarudon8412]

Oh come on, this is a little unfair. Every LARPer knows that when you put chainmail in the wash it shrinks. Gotta remember to hang it out to dry instead of putting it in the peat bog.

[@kieraoona]

You just have to make sure you don't put it in the dryer on high heat, or it'll shrink for sure! (lol, sarcasm - ex larper - don't put your chainmaile in the dryer, your dryer will hate you for it)

[@sarudon8412]

​@@kieraoona Dont get me wrong, i use LARPer as a term of endearment. Still part of my community but not exactly the place to go for a history lesson.

[@rd6203]

🤣🤣🤣

[@kieraoona]

@@sarudon8412 I absolutely agree with you. some people take what they see in larp as historical fact when in most cases its like...90% wrong. There are some grains of accuracy but...it depends on the Larp I suppose

[@absurdican8737]

See, I was gonna ask if it shrank in the wash! I mean, since we all know People Of Olden Time Weren't As Smart As Us,* maybe improperly laundered chainmail happened all the time! XP *Argument less effective if people involved know ANYTHING about current events. Or actual history. Or both.

[@grayfox1748]

I love how Jimmy looks more annoyed by how bad it is than by the fact that it's fake

[@TheSaneHatter]

That's because a well-executed fake would at least indicate *some* skill and knowledge worthy of respect.

[@stevezytveld6585]

@@TheSaneHatter It's true. The really good fakers get books and documentaries created about them. In a way, they've woven themselves into the story of the Master they were copying. This thing is more like a trophy of a 'fur covered Canadian fish' they used to bang together to dupe the American Tourists hot to spend money in Northern Ontario. - Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown

[@hilarylonsdale608]

My First Hauberk? 😂 For Mummy's favourite little Norman warrior.

[@kellybraille]

Ha! 😂

[@CollinMcLean]

The Magna Carta bit is roughly the equivalent of Canadians claiming legal right not to pay taxes by citing the Articles of Confederation...

[@amandawilliams5079]

Sadly I've had Canadians claiming the legal right not to pay taxes by citing the Magna Carta. They've also cited it to try and weasel out of paying their mortgages, child support and traffic tickets. Much like in Scotland it doesn't work here either.

[@bridgetthewench]

It reminds me of when I've seen deeds from the 1700's sent into the bank I work at by people who dug into the historical archives to try to claim that they don't have to pay their mortgage, because they are not US citizens, but citizens of "the nation of Massachusetts".

[@CollinMcLean]

@@bridgetthewench The Massachusetts that's currently part of the US? ... ... ... I think I just felt my brain tear from reading that... How is it these guys do such in depth research and yet are so bad at understanding things?

[@bridgetthewench]

@@CollinMcLean yes. Some people.

[@hoppytoad79]

@@bridgetthewench XD Bless their hearts, that's adorable!

[@TheGPFilmMaker]

I will never forget my favorite college history professor saying, "People were not hobbits in the Middle Ages. No one in history was as short as short as you think." This chain mail got me thinking about that class again!!

[@noexpensespentstudios]

Spend enough time around old cars and you get to know your rust and even I, a non-archeologist, could see that rust was far too orangey and fresh to be more than maybe ten years at best. As for sitting in peat for any amount of time, I'd be surprised if it's even sat next to someone called Pete. Nicely informative video explaining more of why it's wrong, appreciate that.

[@DAYBROK3]

🤣🤣🤣

[@amyroos]

🤣🤣🤣

[@obcl8569]

Without fail, after every video of yours I find myself thinking "I had no idea how much I wanted to learn this thing I've never thought about"

[@mccorama]

I'm not the only one!

[@lunamercurious3]

Yesss!

[@margaretbarclay-laughton2086]

Your mention of the acidic nature of peat reminded of a story I transcribed at the sound archived. Before they managed to get the chain huts built for the gun battery the men were handed bright sparkly new white canvas tents to sleep in. Bearing in mind the strategic importance of Scapa Flow and the number of enemy planes hopping over for a wee look the gunners thought white tents were probably no't the cleverest place to sleep. Some one with perhaps two brain cells or perhaps a really developed malicious compliance decided that things pulled out of the peat banks were brown so if the lay the tents in the peat they would be less noticeable to the enemy as they flew over. Great idea until the first Orkney gale. The acidic peat had eaten away the cotton thread holding the canvas panels together and the entire camp was last seen heading towards the old man of Hoy as fast as the wind could carry it.

[@mountainmolly2726]

Jimmy is suffering no fools and taking no sh*t today and I am totally here for it.

[@c.wright3750]

Zero shits jimmy

[@SnappyDragon]

Even I can see that mailshirt is not medieval and I don't know anything about armor, I'm just a girl who used to make chainmail jewelry. Can we *please* make this a monthly series? 😃😃😃

[@thebratqueen]

Glad to hear your family member is doing better. Also good to know that there's a piece of chainmail that would be appropriate for someone to wear in Spinal Tap's next performance of Stonehenge.

[@TheWelshViking]

STONENGE, WHERE THE DRUIDS PLAYED

[@TheSaneHatter]

That happened right here in Austin, Texas.

[@rustyknyffe88]

Spinal Tap............LMAOLMAOLMAO

[@mbuhtz]

I am HERE for you singing the closing credits, with subtitles 😁 Also, I hope your family member has recovered!

[@l.m.2404]

The fun element of this episode... I did too! lol

[@amaliaseven7]

Same! More welsh singing please ❤️

[@chrisball3778]

Charitably, it might have originally been a really cool fancy dress costume for a child. There's not necessarily a malicious intent behind it, although the fact it comes with a suspicious back story raises eyebrows.

[@sarahmcgregor1630]

I love the thought of a historically-minded grandpa, lovingly knocking this up for a knight-loving child!! In the 90's!

[@k.v.7681]

That's what I tought at first glance. "Oh, an old costume and a well-intentioned person that thinks they found gold". Worked in a bookstore specialised in antiques, and there were a lot of people coming in with "old books" that were about as rare as sand in the Sahara. Rarely scammers, mostly people that didn't know the field and had assumptions. But here the backstory is clearly sus.

[@AStitchTooFar]

Amateurs! Every knitter knows you're supposed block the garment to it's proper size! :) Hope your family is well

[@dantemaquiavelli9039]

Someone needs to give this man a cup of coffee for reading all that shit ☕

[@AshLG]

I've done site cleanup after larps. I can easily imagine how a modern bit of chain mail ended up in someone's shed by accident

[@euansmith3699]

"Quite frankly... Not necessarily telling us the whole story." 😂😂😂 This artefact will eventually turn out to have been made for Edward Shortshanks; Edward I's mini-me.

[@TheSaneHatter]

“Shortshanks! Cease thy swiving of ye catapult!”

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Chain mail for preteens? Thanks once again for defending truth, justice, and archeology!

[@jemsilver]

Or maybe it was a Hobbit!

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Would be more likely to be slender dwarves?

[@laulutar]

Glad to hear your family member is doing better 😊 My husband is convinced that that is actually a hobbit sized mithril vest, and wondered if it had signs of cave troll damage 🤔

[@annabeinglazy5580]

Oh the Magna Carta Bit genuinely Made me laugh. Apart from the fact that seizing a big Tourist attraction instead of... You know... The Scottish parliament? Would probably be easier too, since the parliament Security is incredibly chill

[@tinnagigja3723]

The internet has heard of the Magna Carta, who's ever heard of a "Scottish parliament"?

[@annabeinglazy5580]

@@tinnagigja3723 true. Which is a shame, the parliament building is very pretty. It deserves more love

[@AM-kr4pv]

I've never been in but I've seen guys with huge guns outside a couple of times so I wouldn't want to risk it.

[@lirianuinl6486]

Perhaps the tiny maille was to protect little Johnny from the vicious cat

[@persiswynter6357]

Very glad your family member is doing better! My first thought was: "no bones? who just leaves a mail shirt behind? " My second was: "it was dug up by modern excavation equipment, and it's still in one piece?" Counting Jimmy is SO FUNNY! As the numbers got bigger, the harder it was to not burst out laughing!

[@ArtyFartyBart]

He's finally singing the song! I've had it stuck in my head since forever.

[@melissamybubbles6139]

So it's a bad mini mockup someone tried to pass off as a historical artifact? I hope your family is collectively recovering from the strain of Covid. You have a nice singing voice.

[@LetsDanceRedding]

Counter argument: aliens.

[@TheWelshViking]

Crap. Didn't think of that!

[@Cormano980]

Ancient aliens

[@CrazzySteveable]

The mail shirt reminds me of playing RuneScape for the first time and trying to put in the goblin mail. The game tells you it’s too small to fit your head though haha. That’s this

[@burntimeUK]

its amazing how the clever ideas and schemes you come up with in the pub nearly always turn out have massive obvious flaws...

[@Bildgesmythe]

The chain mail is mithral, made by elves for Hobbits.

[@TheWelshViking]

Aaah of course!

[@catzkeet4860]

I suspect the owner of the ”historically adjacent tourist site” was going with Oscar Wilde's ”the only thing worse than being talked about, is NOT being talked about”, rather than bothering with any of that "authenticity” stuff.....they're probably adjacent for a reason . Anyhoo, glad to hear the health issues are on the mend

[@canucknancy4257]

I don't know why people do the things they do. I don't understand. People taking "fake until you make it" just a bit too far. Thanks again for an entertaining one, Jimmy. Hope all is well over there with you and your family.

[@burdenblossom9484]

Remember that scene from Spinal Tap when the sketch of Stonehenge was drawn on a napkin and notated in inches rather than feet?

[@permiebird937]

Looks like someone found an 80s reenactor's shed with an old mail shirt in it, and got ideas about making a quick buck. Glad to hear your family is well again. Thank you for the translation of your theme song. The sound of the theme with its big hall echo has had me wondering if it was ecclesiastical music. I'm so happy it sounds more like a historic folk song.

[@KathleenStidham]

I am desperately trying to get my third grade classroom in order but had to take a lunch break. Thank you for restoring my mood and my faith in the generation that is up-and-coming! I am so pleased your family member is doing better. And I am, as always, grateful for the entertaining way you present history/archaeology/scholarship/following a dream. My heart being restored to something resembling optimism, I will get back to my cleaning/organizing/labeling/panic so I am ready for my students tomorrow!

[@gigglepantsiii9350]

I was going to say, this looks a lot like my buddy's modern chainmail that he made for his fantasy LARP. He made it out of 100% butted rings that he made out of steel wire [I think it's 10 gauge] still took him over 70 hours to make just to make all the rings let alone putting them together into a four to one pattern. I'm glad you and your family are doing better now, and I hope that's the last bout of the virus you have to deal with

[@laurahill9643]

I love that you're talking about all this nonsense without cursing. I couldn't do that. I'm impressed.

[@historiansrevolt4333]

Love the snark! Every archaeologist feels your pain with this one. I have never studied armor (North American pre contact focused for much of my career) but even I knew at a glance that was a fake. Also, can we fix the whole "people in the past were basically hobbits!" thing? The number of visitors who think people in the past were like 5'2 is staggering.

[@rosemarielee7775]

My parents were both 5'3" so there are some hobbits around!

[@dianeshelton9592]

My grandmothers were both 4 foot 10, my mother and her sisters 5 foot and my grandfathers 5 foot 3 and 5 foot 4 respectfully. With my father being 5 foot 4 and a half. They were poor people and consequently hobbits in size as they didn’t have the diet nor muscle development of chaiN mail wearers. Some people in fact probably the majority of the poor were hobbits, skinny hoBbits as well.

[@historiansrevolt4333]

@@rosemarielee7775 oh absolutely! But they were on the shorter size of average. The average person wasn't one, which was the point I was making, if inarticulately.

[@CourtneySchwartz]

@@historiansrevolt4333 Maybe not the average *warrior* (who could have been upper class and better fed), but your average person was not upper class. One of my grandfathers grew 6 inches when he joined the navy because they fed him. Starvation used to be much more common for the majority. And consider someone rising up the ranks would not have been upper class during their childhood, so… Yeah. Could have been a number of cranky hobbits!

[@KarelPKerezman]

Alec Hardison (character in the TV show Leverage, mostly known for computer hacking but with a growing body of forgery expertise) is rolling his eyes SO HARD at whoever cobbled together that cheap bit of fakery.

[@johannageisel5390]

As would Neal Caffrey (character in the TV show "White Collar").

[@pavelstaravoitau7106]

I have something to confess, I'm graduating history and archaeology in university, and a very good one at that. My ceremony is on Friday, and I fell for the chainmail fake, against all my better judgement and skepticism. I saw photos of real corroded Medieval chainmail. I saw an actual piece of a Viking age guy before in what was probably chainmail. I know how it's supposed to look like. I didn't look at the fake's photos closely and didn't notice it was butted. The whole premise of finding that shite in a shed should have been a red flag from the start. I saw some decent newspapers report it and I assumed it was real just from that fact, against all my better judgement and all that I've learned and thought. Should I just rip up my diploma when I get it? Because quite frankly I feel ashamed. This is truly a dark page in my life, and I'm being serious here.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Do not rip up your diploma! And CONGRATS! 🤸🍾🍸🎉

[@m.maclellan7147]

Buy Jimmy a coffee and I am sure he will forgive you your transgressions!

[@pavelstaravoitau7106]

@@sisuguillam5109 I probably won't, but every time I'll look at it, I'll feel like a fraud.

[@pavelstaravoitau7106]

@@m.maclellan7147 might as well.

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@pavelstaravoitau7106 No, no, please don't. You being able to see that you got it wrong and saying that you made a mistake (and it's a wee one at best) does make you a good scholar!

[@solveigw]

Love your enthusiasm! Wish you didn't have to bring out all the salt, but it had to be done! Oh, and you have a good singing voice! Shoot, I've used up all my exclamation points... Well, that's just too bad. I'll see if I have some more lying around the shed.

[@ApprenticeWriter]

Interesting to learn that chain mail happened in Japan as well as in Europe. Was this due to communication from the Silk Road doing some cross-pollination, or did they develop separately?

[@gloamishvonsatyrburg4635]

Glad your back...hope the family health thing worked out , you sound better too. 😁

[@veronicasponchia5838]

I hope your family is doing better. Such miserable times and you give so much joy!

[@YlvaTheRed]

Thank you for covering that hauberk, it's been depressing seeing reenactors who should know better sharing it around the socials!

[@vincentbriggs1780]

This was fun to watch! I hadn't heard about it, and it's so very far from my era that I probably wouldn't have suspected anything, but I have much the same reaction when people send me pictures of 19th century fancy dress costumes thinking they're 18th century.

[@katienewell7350]

THANK YOU. I snorted as soon as I saw a picture of that butted maille. I remember an image circulating on Facebook a year or so ago of some modern maille that had accidently been left in a damp wooden chest for a couple of years and had gotten so corroded that it was essentially a lump of rust, and this instantly reminded me of that.

[@kahn04]

I’m waiting for the dude who’s gonna insist the “hauberk” is “clearly” meant for a child (like the later fashion of having full plate for young aristocratic boys )

[@jackiejames4551]

Good one Jimmy, thanks for the laughs, I needed some, considering I just survived a hurricane.

[@jackiejames4551]

@@katieb2931 we're ok. Had some limbs down n lost power for a few hours, but all's good now.

[@missmagpieph]

What it looks like to me, as someone who used to do larp, is some bought a cheap childsized chainmail from a larping store, used it a bit then left it in their shed, were it rusted

[@Cormano980]

Goddamn hobbits had a hot passionate night in the bog and forgot it there , and it's enchanted There's your scientific explanation

[@carriemooney6177]

I wonder if they might've been a little bit drunk when they decided to do this

[@giualonso]

Jimmy, you are looking so good in this video! Your hair is looking very cute :) Also, medieval fake news is a kind of sentence I did not expect to read but that's 2021 for you!

[@KathrynsRavens]

I saw the picture of how small the mail was and said in a very high pitched voice 'it's a baby mail shirt!'

[@Juelda]

I hope your family member is doing better. I must admit, I am not sure what I love about your channel more, the wonderful history I can learn, or . . .l your sense of humor. Thank you for both!!

[@tdorn20000]

I enjoyed this. Also, not at all what I thought that song meant.

[@maryellencook9528]

I love watching how animated you get in your videos, Jimmy. Glad that your family member is better. This virus is no joke.

[@Lunareon]

The things people do for a few seconds of publicity. Thank you for sacrificing your sanity to present this ridiculous case.

[@kieraoona]

I hope your family member is doing much better and has a speedy recovery. Also..I was always wondering what the lyrics were for the song

[@Kittyhalk]

Thanks for the video, and I hope your family is doing well! As someone with some archeological experience, the idea of a digger finding something and continuing to dig made me physically wince. We don't have peat bogs here in the American Southwest but we DO have oil and other mineral harvesting that unfortunately makes that scenario a real possibility.

[@thecourtlyalchemist]

From a cultural perspective, I think your singing in the end credits makes up for the medieval-themed idiocy inspiring the making of this video.

[@msoneill358]

So glad your mum's doing better. I'm glad they have that law in Ireland. I feel like legit finds like that belong to all of Ireland, not just one individual. Seems like they've had all the time on their hands recently lol

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Because you've been busy I've been rewatching some of these. Once again, I'd like to thank you for giving yourself High-blood pressure, so I don't have to get as worked up as I might.

[@jemsilver]

Thank you for your service

[@paulwomack5866]

I'm a car boot hunting wodworking-tool collector. The simple state of the metal (light orange rust) told me that it was relatively new. And I know bugger all about medieval armour.

[@dominicbeese-raybould8480]

I hadn’t seen the photo of that mail shirt next to people for scale, somehow that shirt thing was even worse than I thought. Makes for a fun laugh though.

[@ceilidhdancer28]

I love how your giving suggestions on how to do a better fake 🤣🤣

[@miranda731]

Now that was great. Firstly for the freeman/Magna Carta takedown. Edinburgh has welcomed me in the past (and hopefully in future) and it pains me to see that the gangs of fools are carrying on there. Secondly, the mail. Now at first glance at the rust it looked like re-enactor mail from the 80's but I didn't realise how small it was until later in the video. Reminds me, I have about 10-12 kg of butted mail rings in a box in the garage. The size is OK but I'm 65 and, despite wishful thinking, not really likely to wear full kit again, but maybe I should look at an order for some complementary rivetted links and sell a job lot. Sigh.

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

I'm only 5 feet tall, and I'm not sure if even I could squeeze into that mail...

[@snazzypazzy]

Thank you for your service! Sounds like your family is doing better, good to hear.

[@SarahGreen523]

You snuck the song in at the end! I almost missed it! Thank you for giving me the words and pronunciations! I copied it down phonetically and will have fun trying not to butcher it at the fair this coming weekend!

[@SarahGreen523]

You know I couldn't be content with phonetics; I had to look it up. Google is a wonderful invention! Sosban Fach! I learned so much about Llanelli's tin plating industry and rugby! And I found the lyrics in both Welsh and English!! With your Welsh pronunciation tutorial (I never miss a single upload and I saved that one for reference) I'll be singing like a native in no time! Diolch yn fawr iawn!!

[@jennieeveleighlamond]

I think that my dad made chain-mail like that some time in the '70's. It's probably about that rusty now. It might even still be in his shed.

[@Angel_1394]

So glad your family member is doing better! Glad you did the reading for us, I'm not an archaeologist or historian but this annoyed me. You're awesome for this video! We love you too!

[@BrotherJing1]

My first reenactment shirt was a bad butted indian one and legitimately was the same colour as this from a year or two of being kept in a shed by the person I bought it from. Until I saw the size pictures I almost thought someone had resurrected the damn thing.

[@maryellencook9528]

This video came back up on my feed. I enjoyed rewatching it. Hope you and your family are well, and that your studies and thesis are progressing as needed.

[@Wirrn]

So I thought "well that looks suspiciously well preserved / modern rust / modern reenactor" when the picture flashed up. Then you said it was BUTTED and I actually squeed with laughter :D

[@westsaxoninwales]

This video, along with all your other videos, was an absolute delight to watch!

[@tiffanytomasino335]

Loved the singing! Also, loved the rant. Thank you for sharing.

[@tishie42]

Thank you Jimmy!! We'll wishes for your family. ✨

[@Alex-Sews]

Saw the title and was thinking... PRESTER JOHN... but this is also cool... Glad your family member is doing better. I hope they continue to recover swiftly, with no Long Covid issues.

[@Katherine_The_Okay]

I love near the end when you get so frustrated about the shite fake that you start giving advice on how to do better fakes. That's a level of passion I can totally relate to.

[@MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing]

it's interesting, because I have a large chunk of the timber from stirling that was damaged during the battle in 1297, that those guys might be interested in. one might even say... i have a bridge to sell them

[@winterdavis4919]

So glad that your family is doing better. Good for you for being so dedicated to your loved ones! My toddler was entranced by this video! She also loved your music! Thanks for putting up the translation! How amusing!

[@HarleyQuinn62]

Its toddler armour!! As we all know, toddlers were used in warfare frequently in the medieval times. Which is why there were all those muscular babies in art.

[@TheWelshViking]

Battle babies!

[@C.G.Hassack]

Love the singing, when's the CD coming out?

[@winddoane9347]

Omg! This was filled with so much dry humor I loved it!

[@MendyLady]

Come on, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! Is this the "saucepan" song from Howl's Moving Castle?

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

That chainshirt reminds me of some of the "real Medieval weapon restoration!!!" videos I've seen. That still have their wooden furniture, and have no serious corrosion but a layer of red rust, like... I don't know, they left it in a salt bath until it looked right?

[@SciFiFemale]

Glad to hear your family member is getting better. I love this video, even my daughter watched it and loved it.

[@DawnOldham]

I’m very sorry to hear that you had a family member come down with Covid 19. It can be very scary, can’t it? Four of our five kiddos got it- two just got over it a week or so ago and theirs were rough cases. And, my husband got it last year (one of the lighter but still crummy cases) I missed all of this fake medieval news, but at least I got to enjoy watching you explain it all away quite easily and with great humor. I always enjoy your videos!

[@rosemarygilman8718]

Thank you for this informative and entertaining video. Also, I loved your singing at end. You hav e a beautiful singing voice.

[@jameslawrence8073]

What's the song you use in your intro, I quite like it and would love to see a full version

[@juliabreckner2759]

~fasten your safety belts~ love all the info

[@lunamercurious3]

Thank you for making this video! I almost didn’t watch it, just because the words “fake news” literally makes me nauseous apparently (after years of hearing Trump supporters saying those words way too often for too many ridiculous reasons) but I’m glad I stuck around and learned about a new thing I hadn’t yet realized I was curious about. This was all super fascinating. And thank you for making the Magna Carta thing quick and thank you for singing at the end, because that was fun.

[@lizzyrbits1283]

THANK YOU FOR TRANSLATING YOUR END CREDITS SONG!!! A DELIGHT!

[@wendygore2709]

Diolch, for setting things right. Video was very informative. The truth is always appreciated👍 Glad to hear the family is doing better😊💘

[@sarahmcgregor1630]

Great video! Glad your family member is healing. We are in lockdown in New Zealand again. So this video was a highlight today. Your haircut looks snazzy too!

[@cindykurneck]

Glad that your family member is healthy again! I adore your passion when you speak of infuriating things like this. :) Enjoyed this vid.

[@marycoffin642]

Glad to know the medical situation is resolving! And, by the way, you have a very nice singing voice!

[@maleahlock]

I'm so pleased your relative is feeling better! Thank you for the video! As I am not an archeologist I didn't know what to think about tge "find" except that it was oddly rusted and looked cheap. Thank you for clarifying the reasons. Also, diolch the theme song translation. I was a little off when I translated it but my Cymraeg is super rusty and suspect. . . much like a certain halberk. 😁

[@Greye13]

This is an awesome rant, lol. Great video! So glad that your family member is doing better. I sure wish this virus would come to an end already. Many blessings to you and yours. Take care.

[@jamesfisher9594]

Mom can we get 800 year old armor? No, we have 800 year old armor at home. The 800 year old armor at home.