Medium Alice Radio Pack Variants

Doing a size comparison of some ALICE Radio Pouches.
Featuring:
Medium Alice Pack OD Green- NSN 8465-01-019-9102
Radio Carrying Case (Alice Radio Pack) M81 Woodland- NSN 5820-01-322-3477
USMC Radio Pack M81 Woodland- NSN 5895-01-406-1641
Links to other great channels mentioned in this video:
Scotty Survival
/ @scottysurvival
Collector Nick
/ @collectornick4270
Link to Scotty Survival's video with the mentioned Alice Radio Pack
• Alice Radio Pack Attac...

[@courtneyrandharper4571]

The last bag is a UNICORR (Fed. prison manufacturer) modified radio bag, derived from an M81 medium ALICE pack. These were simply packs for radio equipment only as a speciality item, not to be used in the same sense as the ALICE. They were not designed to go on a frame. The military told the manufacturer what it wanted and they took an ALICE radio pack apart and gave the DoD only those features.

[@vermontvermont9292]

I just finally found the regular m81 medium Alice pack with frame. Been looking for one locally forever.

[@vermontvermont9292]

I keeping coming back to watch this, I want one in the bag so badly! I would buy 2 like you did. One to open, one to keep in the package.

[@m81ftw]

Sorry for my late response. I think I still have 8 of these packs. I don't normally sell gear so I'd be unsure on the best way to go about it.

[@vermontvermont9292]

@@m81ftw I would love to buy one. I even contacted unicor about them through email. No reply back, and that was a month ago now. How do I email your KZbin acct? I'm in VT obviously by my screen name.

[@m81ftw]

@@vermontvermont9292 honestly there is a listing with these exact packs on ebay right now. Just type in “Unicor Alice Comms” and it should show up.

[@Gretny]

@@m81ftw Yeah, I buy from them all the time and they have a ton of NOS in right now ! 10/10

[@Gretny]

eBay has a load in stock right now, NOS, original packaging ! (MINT)

[@thatpackguy]

I use KZbin as a forum as well, that's the beauty of it. Thanks for showcasing this pack!

[@hamsticklehq]

i recieved an m81 this morning with its original lc2 alice frame - im so hapy with it!

[@othernamesweretaken1871]

Idk if you still have one of these but this makes a great bird hunting pack. I have a 1606MC frame on one of these and some eagle industries Beavertail assault pack straps, and hip belt is FILBE belt. The frame manages the weight of a few boxes of shells, water, and whatever other small/soft items you’d want to keep with you as you walk from field to field. Found this pack (subtly different) in an old locker in the army, dremmel’d the metal buckles off and replaced them with nexus buckles, it’s been great.

[@scottysurvival]

Wow!!!!. You did great in your first video. Great editing to thanks for the shout-out as well. I would definitely say you have the real deal, but definitely odd that it's us army and usmc. Definitely a mystery. I'm going to have to measure my radio pack and see now. This one doesn't look the same as mine though. My Hungarian alice pack was tight fitting over a alice frame, but it was brand new, and with yours being brand new that could possibly be why it was tight fitting over the frame but not sure. This is awesome I'm subbed and here for the ride. I'm going to go ahead and share this video. Thanks for sharing, and happy Thanksgiving 😎😎😎🦃🦃🦃🦃

[@m81ftw]

I got to thinking about that padding on the back of the ruck. I think that extra padding is there to help mainly when using the bag without a frame. Then if you had a heavy radio, it wouldn't be digging into your back nearly as much. Looking forward to hearing the measurement results of your radio bag.

[@scottysurvival]

@@m81ftw hummmm🤔🤔. That makes sense. O yes I still have to measure that pack. I keep forgetting. We on vacation up in north east wisconsin at the moment, but I will measure it for sure.

[@shadowlab9543]

great video !! i was just looking at one of these online and they said in the description that it did not fit on the standard alice frame. so dmy guess is they tried to do the same thing, by trying to slide the frame into the whole padded section and gave up. for my purpose i just want it to slide into the upper part, as long as i can put it onto a frame i dont care about the padded middle section. thank you for the walk thru of the different packs and the differences between them !!

[@dus777]

Wow, I just did this comparison yesterday. Similar results. Regular medium is way taller above the webbing, shoulder strap rings wider, side webbing in different places and the middle one is horizontal, lower mounting straps way lower, pocket straps buttons closer together. My radio version is shorter but doesn't have the padding, got it from a veteran. I clearly got more gear into the regular Alice pack. Will make a video and link here, eventually.

[@diegrinder6851]

Also, remember that with an "authentic"Medium ALICE, there should be 3 D-rings under the radio pouch, inside the pack, along with flattened para-chord draw strings inside on the bottom to turn the Medium into a shorter "assault" pack. In that confirmation it would resemble Scotty's pack on frame with the MMSS carrier installed on the frame, in his video. Btw, some newer Medium packs deleted the 3 D-rings & draw strings I mentioned. Not sure if that was intentional or a Reproduction model. Even without the D-rings you can still fold the bottom of the pack and use the lower frame attachment webbing & buckles, to achieve the same shortened assault pack. There are videos on this as well.

[@vermontvermont9292]

Yeah, they did later on remove the D rings etc. Especially late 90's early 2000's.

[@larslevinberget9558]

I believe they only had the 3 D-rings and paracords in the 1970s productions of the medium Alice, the LC-1 with the alligator buckles. The 1980s LC-2 with the long straps and the FB ladder-buckles don't have the inner D-rings. I have both versions, as well as a large LC1 from when they started making them again in 2002 - all 3 in different shades of Olive green :)

[@stealthandysteath1069]

Morning mi friend, I'm not shore about this, but they was one rucksack for the normal army solders an they was a different for the SF groups.. Hope this helps 🔥👍🇬🇧

[@m81ftw]

I'm always learning on KZbin, thanks for watching!

[@MetalMilitiaMan87]

I just bought this pack and got it today thinking that it would be the same as my other Alice pack with the radio pouch, just new. I originally was going to put it on a frame, but now that I know it’s shorter and has extra padding, I think I’m going to leave it as is. It’s a really nice pack regardless.

[@AirsoftIdiotsInc]

Hmm, I have one similar to yours... Much smaller, strange color and texture. Name is radio carrying case, nsn 5895-01-461-4505, unicorn 82125. My inner pouch is also the same as it pretty much is the same size as the main pocket. Only difference is that the rear of my pack is open like a regular Alice pack unlike yours.

[@vermontvermont9292]

I looked everywhere for one today online still in package, all sold out.

[@Mr808islands]

mini alice radio bag

[@jay.d.8906]

Could the DEI 1609 open frame work on the Unicor model? (Also, I think your theory on the Unicor models camo being off is likely correct, or that prison labor contract manufacturing had a variance?) Great video!

[@delta7087]

This is a USMC comms pack.

[@Gretny]

Looks great buddy, but I wouldn't hook mine up to the frame !👍

[@michaelwhite9199]

I only saw the small woodland ALICE radio pack in Army use. I only saw the medium sized version in the Marines. I wonder if the service ordered their own models.

[@vermontvermont9292]

Where did you get the unicor pack?sell me one! Lol

[@darkcorsair247]

wow really interesting video. could it be that they were made for ecm or electronic warfare and that is the reason why the usmc is different ?

[@m81ftw]

It's so hard to say. With the size of the internal radio pouch being basically the same size as the whole main pouch, and the main pouch being shortened, they must've made it specifically for carrying radio equipment only. Depending on the size of the radio, you wouldn't be able to carry much of anything else inside.

[@ponyboy481]

Glad I found ur video yeah its also very tight getting on the frame I'm gonna try one of the U shape frames maybe it will fit better

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

Marine Corps ground units use the same vehicular and manpack SINCGARS radios as the Army ^^which would potentiallyexplain why it seems issued to both army and usmc. This bag was very specific to carry electronics. It is padded for vibration and other reasons. My guess is this is a modified alice for radio comms accross branches if the military. They likley used the same pack becauae they used the same radios. This nsn has not bwen ordered by any armwd forces acceoss the glode sonce 2013 or 2015 i forget, but there was nwver any demand for this ruck. Its probably qhy they are coming out of the woodwork now as new condition and in woodland cammo. My guess is this is deyalegit issued bag and you put it on the frame correctly because the pad is to protect the electronics from the frame id imagine. I justbwanna know why is it shorter. Why not use the same wxisting material patterns for the main parts of the bag instead of making sicj a specific size that requires its own production of parts. There seems to bw no prarocal reasons for the slight size diff, but evwrything else makes sense

[@jay.d.8906]

Have any of the Unicor's left for sale ?

[@vermontvermont9292]

I've been looking everywhere since finding this video. I want one new in the package like he shows. All sold out everywhere.

[@jay.d.8906]

​@@vermontvermont9292just got a non unicor model off poshmark

[@m81ftw]

I still have 8 of these packs, but I will have to see what the best option is to go about selling them since I normally don't sell gear.

[@vermontvermont9292]

@@m81ftw i don't sell gear either, and have a huge collection of m81. I have unissued medium regular pants from 1995, 1994, 1996. Bunch of stuff. I've had to turn the spare bedroom into storage for it all. Smells like an army navy store in there now lol. I had no idea these packs even existed until your video. Now I want one BAD. How do I go about contacting you? Do you have Instagram? Go from there?

[@scottsummers6357]

Do you still have any from the case? Any for sale?

[@m81ftw]

I don't normally sell any of my collection. There is a listing with these exact packs on ebay right now. Just type in “Unicor Alice Comms” and it should show up.

[@scottsummers6357]

@@m81ftw thank you 👍

[@brushbum7508]

It looks like a CHINA knock off , EVEN IF IT IS REAL ! TAKE CARE..

[@diegrinder6851]

It looks like a ChiCom Knockoff, because it probably is. They can't get the license for actual M-81 Woodland, or other Camo like MultiCam, so they make a fake proximity