NRMP Match Algorithm Explained (Residency Application Process)

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

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[@joeyjames6640]

Med School Insiders Hello! Will y’all be making a short video on what it means that the USMLE will be going to a pass fail system?

[@sajanyadav6440]

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[@drngozio3118]

I didn't match my first time then match at my top choice the next year. Great content in this video! I'll be making videos soon about my crazy experience thus far.

[@kimberlysmith1204]

Love to hear about this doc! I'm still trying to MATCH

[@lilyreiser8808]

What did you do in between the year you didn’t match and the year you did? Did you do another year of medical school?

[@drngozio3118]

@@lilyreiser8808 No, I graduated on time. I don't think it is even possible to do an additional year of medical school, unless you failed a course. During my year off, I met with my school's program director to discuss the pitfalls of my application. Then I made the changes suggested. I found shadowing opportunities, which I used one for a new letter of recommendation. I also worked as a scribe through a company called ScribeAmerica. That was a MAJOR humbling experiencing. At that time, I had graduated from medical school with a MD in good standing but scribing. Lastly, I worked as an Epic consultant. Epic is one of the premier electronic medical record companies. And of course continue to volunteer in community/church events that I was personally interested in. Those experiences above were included in a NEW personal statement, which I also talked about the adversity of not matching. It also important to expand not only the number of programs but also to different regions when applying the following year. I definitely will be making a more in-depth and detail video on "what to do next when you go unmatch". I hope this helped!

[@BellaOgedes]

Hello, Dr Ngozi, i like to make some enquiries, is there anyway i can reach out in private?

[@dunkdoc745]

@@drngozio3118 Hello I want to make enquiries as an img

[@mywaterfountain]

Great video. Of note (in case any med students are reading this): Preliminary and transitional year residencies are not simply for unmatched applicants or struggling students, as this video leads you to believe. I went to one for my first choice. Some are much better than others though and consider this option on a case by case basis based on your career goals.

[@MultiNerve]

Also: many programs are not "categorical," meaning you have to also match into a TY or prelim year. Diagnostic Radiology is a classic example of this.

[@Orthogeon]

America and Europe are like two different dimensions...completely different principles and ways of guidance. Unbelievable.

[@an5683]

Борис Средојевић Борис? Как и Европейская и система СНГ...

[@ahmetsemihtopbas3948]

Can you explain more? Are you saying the American system is better or worse?

[@sirisha7112]

Koru Designs American medical pathway is longer than compared to asian or european pathways because in America u do pre med and in european or asian u directly go to a medical uni after high school its called bmbs or mbbs or 6 yr md course

[@maxdvmoon8739]

@@sirisha7112 Not all asian countries is like that though. In my country, we also do pre-med. The 6 years med (7 years in my country) you are talking about is only for those who are really INTELLIGENT which is like in a 400 applications, only 40 would pass. If you can't pass that, then you have to go to pre-med and then medical school after.

[@sirisha7112]

Max DV Moon wow! I never knew that. Where you from tho!

[@gomezherrerapaola7388]

Could you make a video explaining the process of applying to US residency as a foreign student? Love your videos btw!

[@tsfbaf303]

Yes

[@josechacon2446]

Residency spots are funded by US taxpayers and it’s difficult for US citizens going to US medical schools, likely going on to practice in the US, to get spots. I know this post is 2 years old, but any foreign students should realize their chances at residency here are slim. Some foreign students do get accepted, but it’s ,rightfully, uncommon.

[@Toyo.Babyyy]

you explained this so well! thank you!

[@marianna380]

Ikr it's amazingg

[@joshmcgoo]

Commenting for the KZbin Algorithm

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

The hero we need

[@Grnj77]

Med School Insiders Not the hero we deserve

[@immcguyver07]

All respects to the WALS algo.

[@jasonlegi]

Great idea.

[@paradiseheaven]

Your content is much needed! I wish schools would explain the match system this clearly (: thank you!

[@free-palestine000]

I'm a computer science major and we're studying this algorithm currently in one of my classes. it's called "stable matching"

[@1MessageofQuran]

free palestine

[@reemal.3658]

Free Palestine ✌🏼

[@mytube785]

I have a question: If I (the applicant) ranked the program M as my 12th choice on my rank list, and the program M has 8 resident positions and it ranked me (the applicant) as 5th choice on its (the program M) rank list. Then, even if I didn’t match all my top 11 choices, I’d be still matched by the program M as my 12th choice and the program M’s 5th choice. Is this correct?

[@Doc_McStuffins]

Does it take into account how many ranks the applicant has? For instance, is an applicant with 6 ranks prioritized over one with 12 ranks to increase the likelihood of both applicants matching instead of just one?

[@mytube785]

@@Doc_McStuffins I found that in the scenario as described, I (the applicant) would be matched by the program M.

[@michaelg362]

Finally! Well explained! I was waiting for this video

[@tiandaye]

“Nobel prize winning algorithm”. Lmao I thought it was sarcastic at the beginning.

[@suprfunny]

If you're a TMDSAS applicant, this is the only process you know. Yee-haw to the head start

[@BeingDrBernice]

Omg thank you for clarifying that there was a switch in 1995 from program to applicant-proposing. I kept hearing people insist that it was one or the other, but it seems to have been both at different points in time

[@TheCCI8]

Please make a video on how changing usmle step 1 to pass or fail will affect medical students and incoming applicants!

[@actuallynr]

I know you made a video about if step 1 theoretically changes to pass fail, but it did and now I want to see what my game plan should be entering medical school next year

[@annalisawilson7694]

Thank you! This makes more sense than any of the other videos I have seen.

[@jsabz3]

I would love to see an IMG's 'guide' to the match! i know you weren't an IMG and you would probably need to outsource a lot of info but I think a video like that would be so helpful! love your content and website btw!!

[@aintnotroublebigenough]

Yes, please!

[@MinhTran-ib8zx]

Your videos are the motivation for me wanting to be a vascular surgeon

[@snekase9830]

Quite useful! I think you present ur exam papers also in the same way 😅👏 soulful tone (introducing urself and MSI)...!truly knowing the inside out of med, tq for the Channel! Stay good! Continue too bro!

[@heehaaification]

Subscribed when you were

[@arvilazaj1687]

Out here commenting both because this video was awesome, well-structured, and because we want to keep the KZbin gods and algorithm happy. 🤣🤣🤣 Great content once again. 🤗

[@elyasstephens8242]

Hello Dr. Jubbal! Could you please do a video on how the new Pass/fail system of the Step 1 is going to impact residency admissions and if/how much it will make your schools rank have a much higher weight

[@mywaterfountain]

From personal experience reviewing resident applications, medical schools have very complex letters and reading them is like trying to figure out some sort of hieroglyphic map. And each school is different with the information that they send. And we get several thousand applicants and we only spend a minute or two on each application. Most of this time is not spent trying to figure out your class rank. So unless you’re in the top 10 of your class and this is very clearly stated in your Dean’s letter, which we also don’t really spend much time reading since you probably filled out a form telling them what to write about yourself anyway, I don’t really think it’s going to change much because frankly my friends and I are going to spend anymore time trying to decipher each schools different algorithm on where you compare to your classmates. That said, your step 2 score is going to be much much more important. And failing step one is probably going to look worse because it will be hard to see if you found it by just a little bit or a lot. Hope that helps!

[@youtanpoluo6754]

Could you please make a video explaining the pathway for medicine in Canada 🇨🇦?

[@razasyed575]

we love you kevin jubbal

[@Sarielle345]

It would be amazing if you could make a video for IMG’s trying to get a residency in the US especially now that the STEP1 will be p/f, which means IMGs can’t use their scores to compete with American med students.

[@pnp072000]

Yeah, I agree. I'm also an IMG and I feel like this topic isn't as touched upon as other topics.

[@tsfbaf303]

Yes please! But isn’t Step 2 CK still with scores?

[@ronmajor4633]

I’m very curious as to why it matters even in special cases where the program ranks you when you are considering where to rank them? It seems that the algorithm is straight forward and it should never matter in any case.

[@Faustian_Bargain_Bin]

Showing this to my wife! I just learned that research using this algorithm won a Nobel Prize in economics in 2012

[@latifamifdal8862]

Thank you so much for the nice video, it clarified so many of my doubts !

[@aboveyou.634]

We wanna know how we can match in sub specialities in internal medicine and how competitive are they.

[@variousmusiclover24]

Thank you for this informative video!! I just got my acceptance to me school and have been thinking about residency already and there is so much unknown about it

[@thebigthing1825]

How do you feel about the Step 1 exam becoming pass/fail?

[@hi2978]

blessed lmao

[@arianacareymariahgrande3582]

Soo if I wanted to got to john Hopkins it doesn’t matter cuz it depends on who I match with😕

[@witchabr3937]

Can you make a video about preliminary surgery residency? Like what are the options afterwards etc. thank you

[@Ruddog7]

Can you make one of these videos for matching in Canada as well?!

[@mytube785]

The advice from MSI and NRMP suggest that the applicant should rank programs based on his/her preference and not on how the programs rank the applicant. But let’s say if the applicant has program A as his most desired program to go and got interviewed by the program A, but the applicant felt he did very poorly during the interview thus the program A wouldn’t rank him high on the program rank list. What should the applicant do? Should the applicant still put the program A high on his rank list? Can you clarify this situation?

[@Mr_Smackle]

Just to add, some TY positions DO rank applicants without an interview if they are being considered for the advanced position. However its not the norm and is program specific

[@geraldocharles8720]

Please, make a video about the SF MATCH !

[@adeshkantha7034]

This sounds exactly like the official match video

[@easymedicinebytmd8247]

That is really different from the system in europe! But quite interesting!

[@ashleystewart2809]

Thanks so much for this video! This is the most comprehensive explanation of residency matching that I have seen so far. I would definitely be interested in more videos from you about residency in general. It seems like (real) information on what to actually expect in residency (academically, professionally, and personally) is difficult to find. I have a question about the connection between the ERAS application and doing interviews at residency programs. Is the ERAS application like a medical school application where you select which schools/programs you want to inquire about, and so your application goes to them and they like you so they call you for an interview.... or are the ERAS applications just released into cyberspace and programs just randomly select students for interviews?

[@cassyreason663]

Thanks for explaining so perfectly 🌹🌹

[@DoctorMitnaul]

I wish this would have been available in my day. Great explanation- your friendly, neighborhood psychiatrist

[@biancav3642]

Can you do a video on so you want to be an ob/gyn?

[@geraldocharles8720]

Great video !

[@shivanishastri4285]

So, can anyone tell me about applying to residency as a DO student now? I know the merger is occurring in 2020. Are you using ERAS or something else?

[@duganthorderson]

Yepp, DO students will apply using ERAS the same as their MD counterparts.

[@MrSharpStudios]

Shivani Shastri all DOs use ERAS for the ACGME now.

[@meetalpatel9185]

do you have a video explaining how to set yourself apart for residency application now that Step 1 is P/F?

[@knowinghimministries4556]

What about programs that offer an accelerated family medicine?

[@kibriaemon6195]

Good to know...What's the UK system of residency matching?

[@nicholascheney6331]

Can you do a video on the ophthalmology match

[@Llllllllllshs1616]

Could you get interviewed with a school for more then one specialty or do you pick your specialty and you cant get anything different?

[@diamonddust5386]

Please create a high school to med school for the studants in the uk and not only in america

[@hyungyulee6823]

What do you think it's gonna happen now that step 1 is becoming pass/fail?

[@vinayganduboyina8793]

SIR ALSO MAKE VIDEOS FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS WHO WANT TO write USMLE AND ENTER RESIDENCY PLEASE

[@VIVI1337]

VINAY GANDUBOYINA hard work, there ain’t no cracking it.

[@vinayganduboyina8793]

@@VIVI1337 I don't want to know how to read I want to know how are conditions and how to apply for residency

[@joegignac]

Wouldn't John's match to City be a confirmed match right away? He is ranked 2 with 2 seats.

[@James-gq4tb]

So does being on a division 1 sports team help get into med school at all? Obviously it would not make up for a bad GPA, but would it help me stand out? I have 18 hours of track practice a week. So I feel like because of that it would be extra impressive if I had a good GPA as well as being on a D1 team. Or do they not care about sports at all?

[@FishBoneD14]

James McCabe it helps in terms of resilience, commitment, discipline so yeah it helps to show intangibles

[@yourfuturedocburenbeiya]

Wow, that is nerve-racking...

[@leylawoods452]

Heyyyy could you please do a video on dermatology, as there isn’t much videos or information on dermatology 😭😩

[@shivanishastri4285]

If I am deciding on multiple specialties, can I apply to multiple specialties or do I have to just stick to one? Just like applying to medical school, you have to use your stats to rank your school list right? Thanks for your answers.

[@breea07]

Shivani Shastri technically you can, but it’s pretty rare to do that unless the specialties are very similar because you have to get completely separate LORs, write completely separate essays, go on different interviews, etc. It gets expensive.

[@FishBoneD14]

You’ll have to be careful not having any of them think you’re viewing them as a back up as well

[@saidchammas]

Does the algorithm factor whether or not a person went to medical school in the united states vs outside? What are the benefits of each case

[@immcguyver07]

It's basically an implementation of the Gayle-Shapley algo.

[@flyfishingphysician]

You explained the reason for the match being started in the first place very well. However, I still don't understand why this is viewed as a "problem." In every other field that has graduate level education, students are offered jobs early. Why does medicine have to be so special?

[@hitiktokmissyou2789]

👌💚🏵❤🌱So helpful for Medical Student❤💚🌹

[@actuallynr]

Hey can you make a video on the new Step scoring

[@quaezi3836]

How does that work with the new step 1 pass/fail system?

[@giovannhuynh]

Hello Dr. Jubbal, I just saw an update regarding the USMLE Step 1 changing from a three-digit score to a pass or fail. Is it possible if you can elaborate more on this and what it may entail regarding future medical students and residency applications?

[@giovannhuynh]

Just to elaborate, I read that it was becoming official on January 1, 2022, but I'm still curious on how it can affect outcome down the road.

[@colinhenderson9656]

Can someone answer this? With the 2020 residency merger, will D.Os still have to take the USMLE? or will the COMLEX suffice?

[@shivanishastri4285]

I interviewed at separate DO schools that said the EXACT opposite thing. 1. COMLEX gets converted to a USMLE score. 2. If you are gonna go for a competitive residency, they used neurosurgery as an example, "you bet your bottom dollar you're gonna have to take the USMLE."

[@MrSharpStudios]

Colin Henderson please please please take the usmle. Programs still do not understand the comlex scoring and will never rank someone with a 600 comlex over a 230 on usmle. If you want to be competitive at all, do not skimp out on usmle.

[@asimshahid7253]

Can you do a video explicitly on couples matching?

[@M.S.1.5]

Does this also apply for international medical graduates or is there anything different? And GREAT video Thank you.

[@saralee8996]

If you're US-citizen IMG, there isn't much of a difference. If you're non-US citizen, you'll also need to apply for a visa, like J1 or H1B, which not all residency programs sponsor.

[@ahmadhumbal6129]

Sara Lee so what should the non US-citizen IMG do?

[@saralee8996]

@@ahmadhumbal6129 I'm not a non-US citizen IMG so I'm not sure how to answer that fully. I highly recommend researching which programs do sponsor visas, like on Freida. Also check out ECFMG, the main program that takes care of IMG applicants.

[@M.S.1.5]

@@saralee8996 thank you

[@MusketeerInc]

Did Kevin ever fix that Bowel Issue?

[@gilgamesh6135]

Thank you. Hace no idea why I am watching this now. 🙏 Also Mark why couldn't you pick Private so everyone could go home happy. Smh

[@ARZene9]

Can a resident applicant and fellowship applicant couples match through NRMP??

[@vessaljaberi929]

Any chance you could cover the CARMS (Canadian) one? Or is it the same?

[@georgewashington687]

What if I do not want to match with a civilian residency program but intend to join the armed forces as a medical officer? Are armed forces residencies matched using the same system?

[@alitabatabaei4578]

Hi sorry for the delay . Military medical students participate in a different syestem and their results are delivered in December instead of March . The military residency programs are not allowed for civilians . However military med students can apply for civilian residency programs if they don’t Mach in military resdences .

[@alitabatabaei4578]

In order to be a medical officer you have two options . Opinion 1 is applying for the hpsp scholarship. The hpsp scholarship is a program where the navy , army or air force will pay for your medical education in any USA university and then commission you as a medical officer . During the 4 years you will receive litunent pay . You will pretty much have the same lifestyle as your civilian classmates until clinical rotations . During clinical rotations you will be doing rotations at military hospitals and civilian . During the match you will be going for interviews to military hospitals and ranking their programs . Option 2 going to the military medical school in Maryland .

[@fbi6555]

8:30 the frat brothers

[@Daniel-gf5hc]

If I rank a program with 10 spots 1st. The algorithm will attempt to match me to that program. However if that program ranks me 12th, but 2 of the top 10 at that program have other programs ranked first, will I match to that program? Or, because I do not break their top 10, will the algorithm go ahead and scoot me to my number 2.

[@sharathnilai]

What is a rank list?

[@MatchaCocoaDog]

Now that USMLE Step 1 is pass fail as are grades at most medical schools, USMLE Step 2 is ever more important as a single deciding factor.

[@AspiringMDee]

Uff. This video was amazing but now it needs an edit 💔

[@Fortyproof3]

why?

[@nickmapleleaf532]

I’m confused, when you select your rank list, are you listing programs for the specialty you want? Or, are you submitting different specialties with your top specialties higher on the list?

[@Cat-mn9zh]

You can choose what specialities to apply for at different places. However, most apply to the specialty they want at different places with maybe a backup specialty also chosen at a couple places to try and prevent being unmatched if their chosen speciality is super competitive which increases their chances of going unmatched hence the purpose of a backup less competitive speciality.

[@nikhilsamayam6196]

Thx

[@messi000013]

Great videos! What about if you rank a program "Low" on your list and the program ranks you "High", but also other applicants rank that same program "High" and the program ranks them "lower" than you, would you still match there if you didn't match in the other higher ranked programs of your list ??

[@mukeshyadav-pc1jj]

tq

[@MaddyBlu9724]

Apply to multiple med schools and "hopefully get several acceptances" holy crap those are some wildly high expectations, considering something like 60% of applicants get zero acceptances. 3+ acceptances is the sort of thing that only happens to the best of the best applicants.

[@Rainbowofthefallen]

Commenting for the algorithm 💜

[@annafjorden6051]

Can you do a video on how European med students are more likely to match into US residencies? :)

[@marrisueno1]

So lont ago...whew. glad done with that

[@basictobougie3343]

respect.

[@chinkulimunkombwe2973]

Does this work the same for international students who attend med school in the US

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

Yes

[@shreyanayak7896]

I'm a US img, is it the same for me too?

[@darcyliliana4907]

Yes

[@maxdvmoon8739]

Is this only for americans? Do other countries have this too?

[@darcyliliana4907]

Canada and the Caribbean have this

[@sdupe301]

woahh !!

[@superstar1732]

the match system is fucking stupid!! I failed to match this year. It is actually the stupidest thing on earth and doesn't work in favor of students at all, but for the programs very much so!

[@FF18Cloud]

Jesus Christ, and I thought software engineering interviews were crazy (so much there are books about how to crack the software engineer interview) But to have a whole match system...

[@hitiktokmissyou2789]

👌❤Hi Sir Which USA Medical School for international Student for affordable tuition fee made Video 🌷

[@pet3590]

nice

[@austinhannemann2615]

So rank your #1 program #1

[@rickA31]

Laughs in TMDSAS

[@drhjhulsebos]

You work hard, score a standard deviation above the mean on the USMLE then get sent to Afghanistan after your first year then have no residency to come back to. Isn't that how everyone else's selection worked?

[@mrcooljay7276]

Why would you rather go unmatched than matching at a particular program 😂😂😂 that sounds like a pretty terrible mindset to have

[@kharoozy]

Hey Dr Jubal I think you are an INTJ personality type. Check it out if you don't know this at 16 personalities .com

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

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