Meet Nicole Zeitler, who was told her conversion to Judaism was illegitimate.

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Haaretz.com

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7 жыл бұрын

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@ADBCSH-je7uj
@ADBCSH-je7uj 4 жыл бұрын
What's the point? If one's heart is sincere and surrendered to haShem, they will not be turned away. God's mercy endures forever... regardless the rabbi's agenda.
@peterpremingertrichter6274
@peterpremingertrichter6274 6 жыл бұрын
For those of us who had three Jewish grandparents with one Catholic grandmother (mothersides) and not recognized by Orthodox Rabbis, it happens to be quite a situation. For the Nazis we were considered Jews (no further discussion). But for the Rabbis... no? Whatever...
@tonyperone3242
@tonyperone3242 4 жыл бұрын
Very sad.
@debrafirestone861
@debrafirestone861 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say if your Mother isn’t Jewish to them your not I know it’s Upsetting especially around your wedding time. They will never change their views.
@Mk-vd9qs
@Mk-vd9qs 3 жыл бұрын
@@debrafirestone861 that is so because according to the Torah Jewishness is determined by the maternal side and not paternal, so that on the other hand, even if 3 grandparents are Non jews , but only one is jewish, and that one is the mothers mother, then the person is complete 100% jewish... The only 2 ways to be Jewish is either having a jewish mother(no difference what the father is), or by a proper orthodox conversion. The torah law doesn't change. The nazis made their own rules regardless of the truth... Jewishness is not determined by what They determined ...
@user-ih1om5vm9j
@user-ih1om5vm9j 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mk-vd9qs Daresay not at all by Torah. Otherwise provide sources from the five books of Moshe (Most high Torah). If anything it leads only to patrilineal descent - as it is written: "your seed".
@user-ih1om5vm9j
@user-ih1om5vm9j 3 жыл бұрын
This is not to take away esteem or respect for the Sanhedrin; may it return in our day as intended, B'EzratHashem.
@Will4fun
@Will4fun 6 жыл бұрын
You are right...it should have been a happy time in your life. I am sorry this happened to you. I remember converting through a Reform rabbi to Judaism in 1977. 6 years later, I went to a Shabbaton at Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. At the Shabbaton, I told the Dean of Admissions I was thinking about applying to study for the rabbinate there. His response was, "God damn it Michael, we could never find a congregation to hire you! Besides, how do you celebrate Christmas and Easter!" Even now, when I am wanting to join a Reform Jewish Congregation, I am asked to produce a "certificate of conversion". I wonder if there will ever be a time when I am really Jewish. I deal with this in several ways. To quote Eleanor Roosevelt , "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent!" You have to realize that the majority of Jews are myopic. You are taught in adult education about the "enemies of the Jewish people throughout history." I have learned that many of the enemies of the Jewish people reside within Judaism itself.
@sanjayw9878
@sanjayw9878 5 жыл бұрын
so you follow a religion that tells you you can't be in that religion and you really believe that's how God made the path to salvation? really dude? look into the Quran because many jews at the time of prophet muhammed (pbuh) converted to islam because they said he lined up perfectly with a prophet their torah predicted, and predicted that area. so he was a prophet, and he was intended to make a religion that could encompass all of humanity. it's the same god, the jews even used the word "Allah". look into islam instead
@jackiesantangelo6610
@jackiesantangelo6610 5 жыл бұрын
I fear this rejection as I have not begun the process but for years, have felt the pull towards conversion.
@gabrielleangelica1977
@gabrielleangelica1977 2 жыл бұрын
That's why I didn't convert. I could deal with antisemitism, but not the storm from within! 🌀
@Passion613
@Passion613 6 жыл бұрын
More and more I'm starting to side with the Karaite Jews due to Rabbinism.
@therebbeourleader2410
@therebbeourleader2410 3 жыл бұрын
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@user-ih1om5vm9j
@user-ih1om5vm9j 3 жыл бұрын
Ravs are also human that can go OTD with varied opinions throughout time. Ironically the Karaites are developing rabbinic like customs/oral code.
@therebbeourleader2410
@therebbeourleader2410 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-ih1om5vm9j karaite are heretics according to the Torah.
@friedrichmacklin4735
@friedrichmacklin4735 3 жыл бұрын
@@therebbeourleader2410 According to which passage?
@alphaomega3499
@alphaomega3499 2 жыл бұрын
Same thought process here.
@RabbiKolakowski
@RabbiKolakowski 7 жыл бұрын
she should have made a civil wedding in America and gotten an independent Haredi rabbi to perform a religious ceremony in Israel, if she wanted to get married in Israel so much. Really she should have had the religious wedding by Rav Lookstein before going to Israel.
@josesamson8603
@josesamson8603 5 жыл бұрын
You should file a case in the Israeli Supreme Court. They will help you.
@politischunkorrekt2625
@politischunkorrekt2625 4 жыл бұрын
Well you dont need anyone to tell you if you See with god or not- anyways 100 steps is not enough go 101 steps
@tudormiller8898
@tudormiller8898 3 жыл бұрын
I want to convert to Judaism, but I'm wondering which sect of Judaism to convert to. Watching from London UK. ✡️🕎🇬🇧
@gotherefore8647
@gotherefore8647 3 жыл бұрын
If you want a legitimate conversion, you have to go through Orthodox Judaism. If you go through the others, you will not be fully accepted by everyone in the Jewish community. Also, if you are going to be religious and convert, give it everything you have. If you want to convert, but don’t want to be religious, you shouldn’t convert.
@alphaomega3499
@alphaomega3499 2 жыл бұрын
Also take a look at the Karaite sect
@user-uq7tf4jt9t
@user-uq7tf4jt9t 8 күн бұрын
@@alphaomega3499 if you want to go to hell for being a heretic, the Carrot sect is quite suitable!
@mysandbox2
@mysandbox2 21 күн бұрын
About the mentioned rabbi (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskel_Lookstein), I guess he was not orthodox enough for the Rabbinate.
@majidamd2375
@majidamd2375 3 жыл бұрын
Shalom all
@angelasvlog5721
@angelasvlog5721 Жыл бұрын
Same what happen to me
@alyahamzah3605
@alyahamzah3605 6 жыл бұрын
If this faith was from God, and the path to salvation..than God would hv made that religion open to all, and no authority can prohibit one from embracing God's faith. My question is, is judaism for all of God's slaves / mankind or is it just for a select few?
@catotheelder9524
@catotheelder9524 5 жыл бұрын
It's just for the sons of Jacob.
@xyman
@xyman 5 жыл бұрын
yu labxo But why rejecting people who wanna be jews?
@christo-chaney
@christo-chaney 3 жыл бұрын
Judaism doesn’t say you have to be Jewish to go to heaven when you die.
@debrafirestone861
@debrafirestone861 3 жыл бұрын
You should not have to convert I’m Jewish reformed you should be able to marry and if you choose to convert that’s one thing but you should never be forced to do it
@ruh8659
@ruh8659 2 жыл бұрын
Not to be too judgemental but the way she says "3 hours for shabbat" as if she went through this hard labor course to get into school kinda shows she only did it for marriage.
@jugendamthamburg-ggkonform381
@jugendamthamburg-ggkonform381 6 ай бұрын
Yep, if Reform services were too much work maybe she ought to try Orthodox, no joke, the reform I have seen (in Germany) expect women to know how to and be willing to do gabbai and aliyah roles, whereas at orthodox, ladies can walz in after the schararit service has begun and are not put on the spot. Unless it is a fast day, at both, one of the three hours is having hot drinks and some tasty food while chatting with neighbors and visitors to the city as community and being a good host is important in judaism.
@MT-uf9sl
@MT-uf9sl 6 жыл бұрын
Ok. Here is someone going through conversion and I can say why they denied your conversion. Watch 0:57 . When you talk about Shabbat you say you go to synagogue every Saturday for 3 hours. Shabbat is not a weight to carry but purely freedom. And Shabbat is more than 3 hours. I’m not the wisest person but I lived in 3 different continents and came across with many people. Regardless what I am I take your conversion not sincere already without having any authority. Sorry to say the truth but it’s not for everyone.
@user-ih1om5vm9j
@user-ih1om5vm9j 3 жыл бұрын
What is halacha for conversion?: [Brit,] Testimony and immersion witnessed be a few shomer shabbath Jews accustomed to such matters (especially one). See Mishneh Tora/Shulchan Aruch before writing off halacha. Notice how easily Hillel (by whom we stand) converted the ger on the spot.
@plaistowbill
@plaistowbill 5 жыл бұрын
The orthodox should not be in control of religious matters in Israel. Anyone who lives and believes they are Jewish are Jewish. She did her best learning Judaism and committing her life to G_d. Sad. She should marry outside Israel and the return.
@larcotral1056
@larcotral1056 5 жыл бұрын
how silly! you might as well put arabs or non-practicing jews in charge of religious matters... so asinine! You obviously have zero idea what jewish religion and practice means. If our survival over thousands of years has any meaning to you, you should have enough common sense and education to understand that the conform approach to propogating our faith is actually destroying it from within. Torah Judaism, led by knowledgeable rabbis always led the way and will continue to make Judaism relevant and resistant to the erosion you see from people who claim that 'do it yourself' judaism is enough. you obviously own that philosphy and will suffer the same consequences that millions of Jews have through assimilation, intermarriage, no/low birth rates, conversion out, and destructive-damaging non-education , etc.
@alexnorth3393
@alexnorth3393 4 жыл бұрын
@@larcotral1056 That's YOUR interpretation and that does not make it correct in fact you sound borderline fanatical.
@alphaomega3499
@alphaomega3499 2 жыл бұрын
2022: that's changing big time soon, by the looks of developments in Israel
@Lagolop
@Lagolop Жыл бұрын
You are incorrect. You CANNOT be Jewish just cuz you want to be. I can identify as a pink hippo; doesn't make me one. We are a tiny nation of people and do not need more want anybody that is not 100% sincere. You prove that sincerity, you don't just say it.
@yehudahecht1520
@yehudahecht1520 4 ай бұрын
"Anyone who lives and believes they are Jewish are Jewish" lol ok
@tudormiller887
@tudormiller887 Жыл бұрын
I'm a non practising Protestant Christian who'd like to convert to Judaism. But I'm not sure which Jewish Tribe to convert to. Watching this video makes me wonder if the only way to convert is through Haredi Chabad Judaism here in London UK.
@Lagolop
@Lagolop Жыл бұрын
I don't think CHABAD will convert anybody. Their mission is to find Jews and bring them back to their Judaism. You do not convert to a tribe in Judaism; we are all one. You are probably thinking of sects. If I was to do this I would get an orthodox conversion as it is accepted by everyone. You do not have to remain in that sect and can change but I think most people remain.
@pepepena1937
@pepepena1937 3 ай бұрын
“What Jewish tribe”- you are one clueless individual no wonder you want to become a *PAGAN BABYLONIAN* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@pepepena1937
@pepepena1937 3 ай бұрын
@@Lagolop-“you are probably thinking of sects”- You either have second temple messianic Judaism (following Jesus as their Messiah) or you have different flavors of *PAGAN BABYLONIAN Judaism*
@Ryan-dk7mm
@Ryan-dk7mm 5 жыл бұрын
I think they may have made the right choice. She couldn't read the letter they sent her and to be Israeli Jewish you really need to be able to speak / read Hebrew almost fluently. That also makes me wonder who on Earth performed her conversion.
@larcotral1056
@larcotral1056 5 жыл бұрын
wacko reply! reading and speaking Hebrew 'almost' fluently is not an issue. there must be other credentials that have to be met. This future eshet chayil should see this as one more test to prove her worthiness- you can sense some missing components that might make a court feel the person is not ready. I you want it enough, you have to fight for it!!1 d
@jeremiahb3421
@jeremiahb3421 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how born Jews don’t have to do anything and can even be a Christian and still be 100% Jewish funny world we live in.
@user-ih1om5vm9j
@user-ih1om5vm9j 3 жыл бұрын
Note the ulpan program for Jews making Aliyah to Israel government subsidizing hardcore multi hour learning Hebrew. "to be Israeli Jewish you really need to be able to speak / read Hebrew almost fluently". Lo!
@Ryan-dk7mm
@Ryan-dk7mm 3 жыл бұрын
@The Retirement Report stating that something is incorrect sans a supporting argument is perhaps the stupidest comment you can make. Maybe you should retire from comments.
@Ryan-dk7mm
@Ryan-dk7mm 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-ih1om5vm9j this was the letter she needed to read before going to Israel. It was clearly expected that she be able to read this letter.
@Bronco57
@Bronco57 6 жыл бұрын
Just convert again, Judaism is a religion of study.
@jacobgarcia6760
@jacobgarcia6760 6 жыл бұрын
Bronco Piscis religion of foreskin eating and blood drinking.
@peacefulamerican8803
@peacefulamerican8803 5 жыл бұрын
James Lauricia Can someone really just convert again?
@Bodhi510
@Bodhi510 3 жыл бұрын
@@peacefulamerican8803 she already did. If certain Rabbis don't like it, who cares? As far as I'm concerned, she is probably more Jewish than these hypocrites who says she isn't.
@uriel7203
@uriel7203 5 ай бұрын
Who's Rabbi Lookstine? Why didn't you communicate with the Rabbanit before you went on your conversion path to know who is and isn't certified? Were you even looking into Orthodox conversions? Why didn't Mr. Lookstine not tell you that his conversions are not recognized? Sorry lady, bit this is on you.
@annecohen8927
@annecohen8927 2 жыл бұрын
Well, in the Orthodox Movement, the idea of conversion of a non jewish person to Judaism is not permitted. But in most reform, reconstructed and in some conservative movements, conversion to Judaism is usually encouraged and welcoming.
@moneym7017
@moneym7017 2 жыл бұрын
We welcome you to Islam dear
@Jtotheroc69
@Jtotheroc69 2 жыл бұрын
Orthodox conversion is fully allowed.
@yaakovisaacs
@yaakovisaacs 2 жыл бұрын
Orthodox conversion is very real. No prohibition, but the road may be long and challenging.
@carlosacta8726
@carlosacta8726 2 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, but you're statement is not correct. I have relatives who converted to Orthodox Judaism.
@Lagolop
@Lagolop Жыл бұрын
You are utterly incorrect! Coercion to even UKTRA ORTHODOX is permitted. Idi0t! PS Reform is full of crap and not even judaism.
@efraimcooper5604
@efraimcooper5604 6 жыл бұрын
Reform, conservative and Orthodox aren't "different sects". Judaism is and always was Orthodox. In fact, the term Orthodox only became a thing once conservative and reform judaism took hold. With that in mind there is only one valid conversion process. Bingo.
@hammerdown184
@hammerdown184 5 жыл бұрын
What about Hassidism? They are breaking from the traditional orthodox norms. Why are they recognized and not conservative?
@daniely8350
@daniely8350 5 жыл бұрын
The liturgy was Orthodox, but you can't read the works of Rav Hasdai Crescas or Rav Yosef Albo and seriously compare them to Orthodoxy today. Ask yourself this: why are there Hasidic children who are sheltered from the outside world when Rav Saadia Gaon said studying philosophy is a mitzvah? Why are Orthodox Jews transphobic when the Talmud Bavli names six separate genders? No, it is Orthodoxy that has lost its way.
@leviryu4327
@leviryu4327 5 жыл бұрын
Try to read words of Rambam who criticized the situation that 'there are people who are with integrity tried to stop when someone wants to sing songs in Arabic, which are about noble acts and etc', while 'they didn't discourage songs in Hebrew about blasphemous or nasty themes' in comment on a part of Talmud corresponding to Pirkei Avot. If your form really cannot convey the intended meaning, especially in complex context like today's world, but only is used to expel opportunity to learn like Maimonides who actually made use of, or adopted Greek philosophy to found current mainstream Judaism which is rooted in rationalism, what is the use of that form?
@zarelli7831
@zarelli7831 5 жыл бұрын
The orthodox changed the laws! First your father made you Jewish and now your mother!
@alexnorth3393
@alexnorth3393 4 жыл бұрын
Fanatical nonsense.
@sanjayw9878
@sanjayw9878 5 жыл бұрын
the God of the torah is the God of the Quran, look into it for those that say AllahSWT is a moon god.
@MrKebasi
@MrKebasi 6 жыл бұрын
bokoharam salafiwahabi neo-Judaism Israel Judaism Saudi regime salafiwahabi neo-Judaism Iraq isis salafiwahabi neo-Judaism
@bigbigg4513
@bigbigg4513 6 жыл бұрын
Look into islam
@officergregorystevens5765
@officergregorystevens5765 6 жыл бұрын
As a Jewish Karaite convert... I will say this - Islam is CLOSER to Judaism than Christianity is. People tend to think the opposite. Look into being a Noahide. I wonder did this woman convert just to move to Irsael though with her spouse or on her own? if that's the case...maybe you converted for the wrong reasons, but I have no idea so pardon me.
@larcotral1056
@larcotral1056 5 жыл бұрын
​@AdamRadz Sinclair - your take on Jewish history & other religions is a very crude and false script. The Jews have a special Contract with G-d from thousands of years ago and it is still intact! there is cause and effect, which is clearly seen through history. We listen and we act in the proper ways - if not, we receive punishment and try to repent! Our chosen-ness is only related to our acceptance of the Torah and no substitutes - its a major lifelong commitment. It's not for everyone! It has nothing to do with how we look to other people. dupes make the wrong assumptions! Jesus was simply a reform yid who was rebelling against the Torah G-d gave to the Jewish people. The Romans killed him among many other Jewish people for going against their empire. now, comes Big Moe, who plagiarizes much of the Torah and inserts his quite faulty take on human relations and under threat of sword or conversion, vast Jewish and christian communities in his region were decimated. (did you know there were thriving Jewish communities in Mecca and Medina?) It may sound simplistic, but in reality, what goaded his followers to embrace his belief systems was that they could also enjoy the plunder and theft of non-muslim property and we know how that drives the masses crazy. Yessir, Islam is for all mankind who chooses to be a muslim or live under muslim domination as a dhimmi - 2nd class person, who has few rights and has to pay exorbitant taxes for the right to live on muslim turf. So thanks for your offer of Islam...................when you can come up with 20 muslims, no, 10 muslims, forget it, just 5 muslims who qualify for a Nobel Prize for peace, literature, science, medicine, etc, then maybe the world will take your brand of religion seriously. In the meantime, Moe's people have done more to disable the world than to make it a better place. Maybe you have some special tools in your fix-it-shop to repair some of the holey faults your religion seems to promote. good luck!
@razathewanderer
@razathewanderer 5 жыл бұрын
lar cotral I really want to see the copy of the contract i must say u have kept the orignal contract intact. and just because of the contract you got noble prizes excellent logic contract=noble prize winners=paradise and salvation 🤣 rest of the world rot in hell 🤣
@razathewanderer
@razathewanderer 5 жыл бұрын
lar cotral one more thing to mention contract can be happend between devil and human to sell the soul = satan worshippers but from the god its only commandment good luck with your contract to hell u have sold your soul in exchange of worldly life
@gabrielleangelica1977
@gabrielleangelica1977 2 ай бұрын
​​@@officergregorystevens5765I love the Kararites! How did you convert?
@takenbyn
@takenbyn 3 ай бұрын
The shame is that a Rabbi that wasn't Orthodox told you he could convert you knowing it wouldn't be accepted. You must do an Orthodox conversion with a real Orthodox Rabbi, PERIOD. If you learned everything you were supposed to and you're living an Orthodox life you can go to a Orthodox Rabbi that is accepted by the Israeli Rabbinate and go through a quick conversion.
@faisalahmed9182
@faisalahmed9182 4 жыл бұрын
U can't be Jewish because u r not from Jacob roots try another religion where they accept all
@mfbj1
@mfbj1 4 жыл бұрын
That is not true one can convert to Judaism and the Torah teaches us, the story of Ruth, that all foreigners who wish to become Jews should be helped in their aspirations. It is not encouraged since one does not have to be Jewish to have a relationship with God. The orthodox rabbinate is just very backwards and ignores huge chunks of the Torah in favour of a manmade document namely the Talmud.
@lordmaler1091
@lordmaler1091 4 жыл бұрын
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@SaraLevins
@SaraLevins 3 жыл бұрын
@@lordmaler1091 hahahah
@josephbenadam
@josephbenadam Жыл бұрын
​@@mfbj1 True
@moneym7017
@moneym7017 6 жыл бұрын
CONVERT TO ISLAM .. very easy! Just say your testimony of faith first. You are already a Muslim. It is the same faith of Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them, so you don't have to worry about what the rabbis say.
@razathewanderer
@razathewanderer 5 жыл бұрын
Moon Moon sorry brother i think ur one of the miguided one to change religion for some person doesnt make u one because religion is your faith. 10000 times u say the testimony without faith u will not become muslim muslim means to submit ur will to god
@malekkushimuzik3580
@malekkushimuzik3580 2 жыл бұрын
You believe in Jesus? Smh
@moneym7017
@moneym7017 2 жыл бұрын
@@malekkushimuzik3580 yes, Jesus pbuh, as a mighty prophet and messenger of Allah. And he prophesied in the coming of the final prophet, Mohammed pbuh.
@malekkushimuzik3580
@malekkushimuzik3580 2 жыл бұрын
@@moneym7017 So you believe virgins have babies too?
@moneym7017
@moneym7017 2 жыл бұрын
@@malekkushimuzik3580 yes, I believe in the miracles that Allah Almighty can create. How were Adam and Eve created? Who created sperms and ova? Who created the beauty of nature?
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