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[@IronmanV5]

I used to be a fan of hydrogen. Then I worked with it. It leaks THROUGH the walls of containers, and it embrittles most materials. You have to use stainless steel($) or certain composits($). And it has to be highly compressed, else it takes up so much space due to it's low density to make the vehicle impractical. EVs can be "refilled" off of an electrical outlet. And newer batteries don't even use neither nickel nor cobalt. Fun fact: cobalt is used in oil refining. I wonder how many of the people saying we shouldn't use batteries because of cobalt say we shouldn't use oil for the same reason?

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

None of that happens, it is safe

[@volvo09]

@@user-do9ir8lv2m hydrogen is ridiculous. I'd use nat gas or propane well before hydrogen. It is so energy intensive to transport.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

​@@volvo09at least propane or natural gas has a system in place. This has zero infrastructure in place to fill cars...

[@macberry4048]

You are the first person to ever mention embrittlement

[@IronmanV5]

@@macberry4048 We kept having to explain to people why we used stainless steel regulators and lines. AND the importance of checking connections for leaks, etc., etc.

[@ColeSpolaric]

Problem with hydrogen is that the efficiency from extraction to the time you actually use it ends up being maybe 40%. Better than gasoline, but not a whole lot. Batteries on the other hand are about 80 to 90%.

[@jamesbeaman6337]

But batteries are only for storage, not “extraction” which is the generation. With most power generation still being from fossil fuels, total efficiency drops to the 30-40% area. Generation from renewables in combination with a BEV currently gets you the highest “well to wheel” overall efficiency.

[@ColeSpolaric]

@@jamesbeaman6337 combined cycle natural gas plants can be up to 60 percent. We're heading towards a point where most electricity during the day will be renewable, when will depend on politics. Hopefully nuclear continues to make a comeback with these new smaller scale reactors

[@jamesbeaman6337]

@@ColeSpolaric nice to know about the CCGT plants but it looks like those are still relatively uncommon due to their large size.

[@LeesChannel]

Imagine if Toyota put this level of care and design in their EVs, instead of the crappy BZ4X.

[@toyyoda3710]

They put in more... Thats why they developed the solid-state battery

[@thedopplereffect00]

​@@toyyoda3710they developed no such thing. They are just hoping to distract you

[@Drewcardello]

Toyota has lost it in the past 2 years. Do not buy.

[@toyyoda3710]

@@thedopplereffect00 Its not even new news... try to keep up

[@thedopplereffect00]

@@toyyoda3710 exactly, they've been promising a lot for a long time

[@mfurmyr]

Unhappy Mirai owners have filed a class action at Toyota.

[@catmanscarchannel]

Read at fuel cap: Do not refuel after 2038 so must be scrapped by that date!

[@Cloud30000]

Not scrapped, just refurbished; the issue is the gaskets and seals wear out, just like an engine, and so it just needs to be disassembled and reassembled with fresh seals every (15?) years.

[@catmanscarchannel]

@@Cloud30000 This will cost more than the car is worth so scrapping is the only way to go.

[@Cloud30000]

@@catmanscarchannelI can make the same argument regarding ICE vehicles. It costs more to rebuild the engine than it is worth, so scrap all ICE vehicles after 15 years.

[@Miksa]

@@Cloud30000 But the manufacturer doesn't require you to rebuild the engine, if you maintain it well and use it gently the engine can easily last twice as long or more. On the other hand if you only use the Mirai to drive once a week to the Sunday church you will still have to replace the seals.

[@toyyoda3710]

@@Miksa So a few seals after 15 years... thats way cheaper than even one ICE engine rebuild plus not destroying the planet as much just to get Starbucks everyday

[@user-mz3jy3tw9h]

It's actually extremely expensive to refuel without Toyota's refueling gift card. It can be over $230 in Ontario Canada just to drive 500 kms. Yikes!

[@ChristianPareATLAS]

Like a Toyota Tundra 😂

[@WildernessGuyBC]

Yeah, that's crazy expensive to me. My EV costs about $10 to drive 500 kilometers when I charge at home and about $30 using public chargers in British Columbia.

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

Not OUR fault your money is worthless there

[@milkjuo]

how many hydrogen stations is there in Ontario ?

[@user-mz3jy3tw9h]

@@milkjuo there is literally only 1 near where I live and the next nearest one is in Montreal over 600 kms away. It's a private facility that I asked if I could use and they said yes, but it would be over , $200 to fill everytime and they don't accept Toyota's fuel card. So I skipped on the entire idea of a city runabout.

[@user-ff8ju1ee9b]

1% chance this will go anywhere but our memories.

[@Cloud30000]

Like an EV in the 90’s, it’s ahead of its time. The vehicle itself is great, but without any infrastructure and no system that can be used at home yet, it is extremely niche.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

And probably not even there.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@Cloud30000 At least EVs in the 90s could be charged at home. They made acceptable "city cars" as long as you could park it near an electric socket. Drop a Mirai in North Dakota, and it's 100% useless. Heck, drop one in Phoenix and it's useless.

[@MichaelPanzer]

This thing is a BEV with a overly complicated and expensive range extender.

[@Cloud30000]

The hydrogen power plant is actually much simpler than a gasoline engine; the issue isn’t the car, the issue is finding the fuel to go in it. If someone could invent a reasonably priced machine that can efficiently generate a decent amount of hydrogen from water, it can be added to the home or to gas stations to allow fill-up times on par with gasoline and provide a very effective replacement for hybrid vehicles.

[@MichaelPanzer]

@@Cloud30000 the problem with producing energy containing fuels is that you start from something with very little energy like water and start putting energy in to split it to hydrogen. The point is, energy is never lost or gained but transformed. So you need at least as many units of energy to produce hydrogen from water as it will contain in the end. Plus of course losses which are quite a few. So there is no invention which will work better then what we have today because of physics and chemistry!

[@Cloud30000]

@@MichaelPanzerthe point is having a liquid battery that can be installed in minutes; until you can get the same energy density from a battery as from liquid fuel, and charge that battery as fast as liquid fuel, what we have today is not better. Is it more efficient? Yes, but so is using a 15amp wall charger and restricting motor power to 100hp for minimal heat loss, but that doesn’t meet the other needs. Efficiency is important, but as EV adoption’s stagnation proves, there are many other considerations which battery EV’s are unable to satisfy yet.

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

umm no it is not, it is FAR better than a regular EV

[@jacksonbangs6603]

​@@user-do9ir8lv2m I believe you need a affordable NATION WIDE hydrogen infrastructure in order for hydrogen powered cars to reach the masses. Battery technology is already way more developed and reliable than hydrogen fuel cell technology.

[@ricomon64]

1:55 Actually, this is a "gas car" as opposed to a gasoline powered car. 😉

[@volvo09]

@@ricomon64 our over the pond viewers :)

[@toyyoda3710]

Ice patch? i would think freezing the drain tube solid would be the reason for the air blast since a clogged drain tube could be a problem

[@tarfeef101]

Yeah hydrogen is dead for consumer vehicles It takes energy to produce the fuel, it's complex to store and use, then it takes more energy to make it into power for the motor Batteries just skip those conversions and are way more efficient. Plus you can charge in under 20 minutes already, and get over 500km range. With our current mass production tech. This will only get better, and we already have tech like solid state which can make massive improvements. Current tech is already convenient enough for many, and with those improvements, even more people will be able to justify the move to BEVs. They are certainly the future

[@Cloud30000]

EV adoption has stagnated, and will die a slow death of the gov’t rebates are discontinued. EV investment will also dry up if sales decline, and then you are back to ICE. Too much of the population cannot utilize EV’s for many reasons, mostly centered around charging times, no home charging, limited access to chargers, and limited range for many use cases. Hydrogen could overcome a lot of that with the same amount of infrastructure as EV’s, but as it is I think they will both die out until more breakthroughs occur (which may take a decade or two when funding and investment is reduced due to the sales decline).

[@Jay-pf6ln]

Oh Hydrogen....😂

[@user-mf4yg3io3g]

In the marines we call it good initiative bad judgment

[@fox12129]

The Hindenbug has entered the chat.

[@Jay-pf6ln]

For the last 25 years I have wondered why they don't just use a giant electrolysis apparatus installed in the car. Yes, just like the one from grade 8 science class...Fill car up with water, separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen then re-mix for combustion. Maybe no way to produce it fast enough?

[@Miksa]

The car would need a huge battery to store the electricity required by the electrolysis. Electrolysis consumes a lot of electricity and if you are carrying that much electricity with you it's simpler to just use it to power the motors. A more practical way would be to install an electrolysis apparatus at your home. Use the solar panels on the roof to provide electricity for the apparatus, then store the hydrogen in a tank and use that to fill up your car every few days. This would be the way to produce "free" hydrogen. Biggest problem is that I don't think there is an electrolysis apparatus for home use in the market. There has been far too little demand for anyone to manufacture one. A smaller problem are the efficiency losses when converting electricity to hydrogen and then back to electricity in the car. With the electricity the solar panels generate you could drive a standard battery EV longer distance than a fuel cell EV.

[@thedopplereffect00]

You would also need a cryocooler to liquify the hydrogen. They are very expensive

[@Drewcardello]

The pressure required.

[@Miksa]

@@thedopplereffect00 Mirai doesn't use liquid hydrogen, it has high pressure tanks. Cryocooler probably isn't necessary but a pump that can achieve 10 000 psi is needed.

[@planesandbikes7353]

Toyota should only have leased these cars like GM did for the old EV in the 90s, as they are nothing more than experimental. Owners are trapped with worthless shells now. It will be interesting if Toyota's gamble on solid state or semi solid state batteries will pay out - I am not confident it will pay out for them, but it may take over the industry eventually, gradually.

[@tylersrubar6451]

Would’ve sold way better if it had a standard hybrid setup. Really a good looking car!

[@thedopplereffect00]

It is a hybrid

[@tylersrubar6451]

@@thedopplereffect00 I said standard hybrid. Like a Camry. Not hydrogen fueled hybrid.

[@georgepelton5645]

"It is kinda like a hybrid" - Tommy. Yes, not just kinda, but exactly a hybrid. There are two sources of motive power, the battery and the fuel cell, exactly the SAE definition of a hybrid. We are more familiar with the two sources being a battery and an IC engine, but any two sources will make a hybrid. Even a moped or e-bike, with human pedal power and small ICE or EV assistance.

[@GaryKetchum808]

The Hyundai N Vision 74 having a hydrogen PHEV system is the best application for hydrogen. Use it as a range extender that you’ll only use sometimes, and plug in every night to get your daily range.

[@rapidcars1]

Hydrogen vehicles are only allowed to be sold in California and Oregon, which is a very small market

[@miodice3]

Can you site this? It’s actually illegal to purchase them in other states or they aren’t offered by any manufacturer?

[@georgepelton5645]

The "blimps that blew up years ago" were not blimps. They were dirigibles, which have a rigid structure, unlike blimps or balloons. When describing the H2 tanks, Tommy should have mentioned that they have a limited lifetime of 5-6 years, not just number of fills After that they must be replaced, at significant cost. This is needed to insure safety of any such high pressure tank, used H2 or CH4 powered vehicles.

[@aaronhendrickson]

Put a 80 kw battery on the Hydran, and have a plug in. Then you could have 700 miles on a full tank and battery. You got more distance to a hidran station.

[@thedopplereffect00]

It already weighs 700 lbs more than an EV. They'd have to add another 1,000 lbs

[@itgoesfast2722]

I owned a 2000 Honda Civic GX… best commuter car I ever owned… this country has a huge natural gas infrastructure but I only had a few refueling options.. I have always said we should have options for alternative fuel vehicles because one solution does not solve the the problem.., electric is great for some people, compressed natural is good for others, hydrogen is very complicated and I am sure expensive to repair but why not, gasoline and Diesel for those who are doing real work with their vehicles and need power, range, and abundant quick refueling options…. They all have their pros and cons but there is no reason we should not have all these options available and let the consumers decide what works best… well I guess there are two reasons. Greed and politics……..

[@JimBronson]

Nobody is stopping a hydrogen build-out across the country. Yet, no manufacturer seems to want to invest in it. But sure, blame greed and politics.

[@Cloud30000]

You listed the same reason twice

[@AUSTiNKiNSER]

I love my 2018 Mirai, just passed 60,000 miles and no issues whatsoever!

[@USUG0]

good for you. As long as you are aware it is barely less polluting than a gas car. And indeed, as pretty much all of commercially available H2 is produced by methane reforming, even more polluting than ICE cars WellToWheel

[@AUSTiNKiNSER]

@@USUG0 not exactly, my station in Santa Barbara gets its hydrogen from 100% renewables. That wasn’t always the case though, about a year ago it was generated using 1.2% petroleum, 64% natural gas, 1.1% of coal, & 33.6% renewables. So the emissions were registered as 158 grams per mile theoretically, compared to a gas vehicle at 412 grams per mile, or an EV charging off of California’s grid is about 117 grams per mile. Regardless, it’s still much cleaner even when most of it was coming from natural gas. But my local station in Santa Barbara has been receiving 100% green renewable hydrogen for about a year now.

[@nicolasfrankboehmer2240]

In the UK several hydrogen fueling stations haven been closed during 2023 with 5 remaining; in Danmark the main provider has closed all its stations on short notice (30 days) leaving just 2 stations in the country; in Germany the goal was to have 100 by 2020, today still hovering between 80-90; the European Union released a mandate back in 2022 to build a network of hydrogen fueling stations on the continent - guess what, no investors were found. Back in 2023, the State of California offered $40 million funding for building 48 hydrogen fueling stations - guess what, nobody applied for it. It is an economical nightmare. And with the earlier FCEVs the tanks are reaching their time limited use (10 years) and the first low mileage 2014/2015 FCEVs are about to be sent to the scrapyard. The new Mirai has tanks limited to 15 years use (+5 years), which still is short but OK for many users. And this July a Class Action Lawsuit against Toyota by Mirai owners - which believe Toyota has lied to them about the ease of use of the car, infrastructure, and availability of hydrogen - has entered the court. These are many nails and the coffin is waiting.

[@johnmathias4871]

There seemed to be a lot of videos about fill-up issues due to freezing of the nozzles. I believe the circumstances were happening when more than one person was in line to fuel-up. Did you guys ever run into this? While hydrogen seems like it should be a good alternative to fossil-fuels, I think it seems to have some unsolved issues at this point in time. What I REALLY wish companies would put more effort into is trying to make gas or diesel using CO2 (from air) and excess wind/solar power. If we could make this work, it would go a long ways to helping with atmospheric CO2 reduction goals while not requiring us to replace our existing (and MASSIVE) installed base of vehicles and fill-stations overnight.

[@ojeje1]

TFLEV: This is the best analysis of a fuel cell car. We should drive more of these cars and really save the planet!

[@revampted]

There is still a Toyota Mirai in Texas, there no Hydrogen stations in Sugar Land, its a deal 11k but no where to fill it up.

[@jaimieconroy36]

Looks like a nice car. Too bad it's hard to find a hydrogen refueling station. I was considering buying one of the used Mirai's at a local dealer, but refueling is expensive.

[@RysterARCEE]

TFL did a video on this 2yrs ago. Why another one?

[@car-naught-bj5vy]

I don't know if you guys still have the car(I know it's unlikely), but if you do could you please do the test outlined in my "Open Letter to Mirai Club" video? if you don't want to watch the video, the short version is that FCEVs might make a better performance car than BEVs thanks to a possible (but unproven) ability to handle high power demand for an extended period of time. For the test simply do a bunch (10) quarter mile runs back to back (seriously they have to be like 30 seconds between runs), and see if performance decreases or possibly increases. If the times don't drop off like some BEVs, then this might be the best mash up of ICE and BEV.... so long as you don't mind the lack of sound.

[@car-naught-bj5vy]

9:37 or for something really crazy.

[@zoefaith120]

Don they have a website, where are the 50 spots you can fill up. So you by thr best house and work location?

[@jamespaul2587]

Many of those 50 stations may be closed soon, it's not a good idea to plan around them remaining.

[@nevco8774]

It better be PHEV with a plug to have some usability.

[@trandel]

Okay, you’re wrong. There are lots of issues with H2. Mostly around storage and cost of production, not distribution. As correctly identified by Toyota the energy infrastructure doesn’t support EVs and they will never scale either globally or to heavy transport. If (and I’m talking in the future at some point) H2 is viable for these applications then it will eventually trickle down to road normy users. It is more likely demand will come from companies like Boeing and Airbus not John Smith.

[@bobholland9924]

They should have made it like browns gas . Put water in the tank create the hydrogen in the car . Its very simple you would have to have 2 different fuel cells one that creates the hydrogen and one that converts it into electricity. I did it with a 88 jeep Cherokee. It didnt convert it into electric but i did create the hydrogen under the hood . With a homade fuel cell. And it went directly into the air intake of the 4.0 gas inline 6. I more than doubled the gas milage . And it had more power. And it cleaned out the engine . This truck was already 20 years old when i did it. If you did it straight hydrogen you should be able to catch that water resplit the water molicule and use it again. Oh shit would that be propetual motion. But thats not possible.

[@Skiridr22]

Toyota was a pioneer of tech in cars, they lost their edge when they didn’t fully embrace EV’s at the beginning of them getting popular not many manufacturers went the hydrogen way.

[@evmotorsports]

no infrastructure,no go ! private gas station owners,which are 95% or more of gas stations ,didnt or wont spend the up grade money and carry the insurance for a cng or hydrogen high pressure station! this is the cost issue . The efficiency of extracting , (making) compressed hydrogen , transfering it and ,retransfer it into a vehicle essentially uses enough electricity to gain the btu usage of around 50% of a battery charge , and the price per kg is about 2$ so you end up with a tank full of hydogen costing you around $200 +.cut out the middle man and just go ev.

[@ethanmckibbin]

I would love to own one, unfortunately the hydrogen station near my house closed. I hope Toyota never gives up on hydrogen, it's not like Lexus and Yamaha haven't developed a hydrogen V8.

[@scruffy4647]

Build it and they will come. Unfortunately in Toyota’s hydrogen experiment, they didn’t come. There wasn’t enough sales to build out the infrastructure. Unlike BEVs, the infrastructure is already in your home.

[@jeffhaddox2239]

I was actually behind on of these today 😂

[@rapidcars1]

that's because they're only available in California and Oregon

[@TheJ1s]

There needs to be more stations outside of California if they trying to sell more of these, my neighbor has a Hyundai Nexo and the lights looks cool at night. I've read that Toyota is planning to use these to transport the Olympians and college school science people didn't like the sound of that and wrote a letter to Toyota to change their mind to use the Miri as transportation.

[@trspotr]

Honda had fuel cell car for years but never caught on 🤷‍♂️

[@battycowboy]

It’s been proven Hydregon gets less MPG then regular gas and big rigs are already on the bad side with diesel

[@paulharding5339]

Puncture proof! But not 2600 degrees c lithium battery fire proof eh! The Toyota Hindenburg....😂

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

I am glad that hydrogen is a failure for cars. They are not EVs though and do not belong on this channel. As for hydrogen cars….they are a bomb with wheels. Not safe.

Now Toyota's missing out on the EV market because they came late to the market with poor products and no charging system.. Tesla is just killing toyota

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

LMAO THAT IS NOT TRUE, EV'S HAVE FAILED TOYOTA MAKES THE BEST EVS BUT NO ONE WANTS EVS ANYMORE... LMAO TELSA IS FAIL

[@garyclark6747]

Tidy user package but the manufacturing of the Hydrogen and the end to end isn’t transparent at least to me. Energy used to create this medium to transfer energy and its manufacturing byproducts as well as its manufacturing efficiency as a whole end to end solution. ⚖️ 11:55

[@daves1646]

A Toyota experiment (design, production, infrastructure, marketing). And they collect data and if leased, get post use postmortem wear data.

[@RonnN-gf8tm]

A hydrogen car...where do you fill up then?? Just make it straight electric ⚡ Toyotas Hindenburg model

[@Cloud30000]

An electric car… where do I fill it up? I don’t have access to a plug from the vehicle at home or at work, and there are no charging stations near me. Just make it straight gas 🪫

[@harriettanthony7352]

Hydrogen? Does anyone recall the "Hindenburg"? This drive system is FAR inferior to an EV

[@R4H000R4HH]

This technology could have been the future for saving the environment if countries and politicians hadn't become fixated on electric cars and invested in yet another unsustainable solution. Batteries are not the solution; they are part of the problem. With a global investment in fuel cells (hydrogen), we might have been able to avoid the disaster we are facing.

[@horsepowerandtalk1033]

Gasoline is more dangerous than hydrogen. Partially, because we are so familiar with it, it is not respected..

[@linuxsux41]

I wish that hydrogen powered cars had a higher level of investment from big companies since if produced correctly you can produce hydrogen with minimal environmental impact (I know grid electricity can also be produced with low impact methods but good luck with that in the US). But the Mirai is essentially impossible to run as a daily driver due to the impracticality of refueling, so it makes the tech look bad when the filling station pump freezes to your car and you have to hang out at the station for 30 minutes thinking about how your investment in transportation is the only thing making you late for your appointment. Or have to wait 30 minutes for somebody else's car to thaw off of the pump...

[@psikot]

They were funded by Shell, Exxon, Chevron etc. They put millions of dollars into making hydrogen and the stations, how much higher do you want?

[@thedopplereffect00]

​@@psikotbillions and it still failed

[@hereigoagain5050]

Mix hydrogen with some carbon, then you got something going on.

[@rp9674]

It still could be a car of the future if they convert it to Electric

[@FrankySilverFace]

10,000 more fuelling stations and this idea could catch on.

[@frankcoffey]

Anyone smart enough to work on a hydrogen car project also knows it's a bad idea that won't sell. So why did they continue working on it? I think I know. It's just a Russian nesting doll of bad ideas, one wrapped in another.

[@thedopplereffect00]

They want to keep loyal Toyota customers from buying another brands EV

[@frankcoffey]

@@thedopplereffect00 It's their customers buying the bZ4x and taking sales from high profit tailpipe cars. Those are not new customers.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

cannot manufacture at scale or a cost structure that makes sense. Takes more energy to produce hydrogen than just generate electricity. Big oil is pushing this vaporware tech

[@aggierev]

It's a shame that Toyota didn't commit to the hydrogen infrastructure in the same way Tesla invested in the charger infrastructure.

[@Cloud30000]

Tesla had a lot of people throwing money at them for their first few models that they used to build the infrastructure; Toyota tried the same trick, but no one threw money at them for the cars without the infrastructure so they didn’t have the funding to build it with.

[@thedopplereffect00]

Each hydrogen station is like $2 million. A Tesla supercharger is like $30k or less

[@JohnPMiller]

It costs roughly $0.50 per mile for hydrogen. This would be: $2/KWh in an EV (4 miles/KWh) $20/gallon in a hybrid (40 MPG) $10/gallon in a pure ICE (20 MPG) Don't buy a used Mirai!

[@MattLesak]

Hydrogen is stupid - Elon Musk

[@jamesonpace726]

Goes to show how dumb we really are, and how cheap. Safe & easy H is old tech & pricey, but nothing that economies of scale couldn't fix. Hindenburg, my ass....

[@paulrybarczyk5013]

Incorrect. H2 is a dead end. There is no good way to make it, store it, move it, sell it, or use it. This is well known by those who have been promising it for decades.

[@jamesengland7461]

Well. it's true that safety isn't a problem. The Hindenburg was quite an anomaly, nearly 20 years after hydrogen dirigibles were used with impunity as bombers in WW1, with the fighter planes of the day rarely able to shoot them down. However, everything else about hydrogen makes it pointless.

[@Cloud30000]

Batteries, Lithium in particular, was considered far too expensive to ever be viable as a power storage medium for electric vehicles. Yet, a couple decades of manufacturing scale and investment later, and you can get an electric vehicle with a lithium based battery for the same price as a ICE. In addition, it spurred high innovations in solar for off-grid use like camping. Hydrogen being a dead end is the argument of the ignorant. It is simply a lack of investment that has prevented mainstream solutions to the problems faced by use of hydrogen in many different fields. Imagine if your home was powered by hydrogen, like many are fueled by natural gas? Far less concern over weather events as the delivery of gases is far more robust and resistant to interruption as power lines and transformers. You could even have a special system to save and utilize the water generated as a byproduct. Making it is easy, but still inefficient; investment and research could drastically improve that. Moving it is no harder then moving natural gas; it requires new pipelines, but once they are installed, it’s easy to quickly pump hydrogen through them. Storing it at low pressures is easy, but pressurizing it makes it more difficult; it doesn’t need to be pressurized until it is made mobile, so you can just have a pump that takes atmospheric pressure hydrogen and pressurizes it while pumping it into the vehicle. Using it is the easiest of all, as hydrogen very readily combines with oxygen with minimal input; that’s why it was the first technology investigated after batteries for EV’s.

[@thedopplereffect00]

700 pounds heavier than a model 3...

[@macberry4048]

The Japanese could make some amazing electric cars but their stuck on hydrogen. I hope one of the big automakers in Japan have a skunkworks project developing at least the electric car components like the motor and software

[@adv.013]

If Toyota turns the Murai to what Ram is doing to the Ramcharger, this will be an amazing car

[@evmotorsports]

the ramcharger has been gone since they stopped making the suv in mexico in the late 90's,would be nice if they actually bring a full size 2 door ramcharger back.

[@adv.013]

@@evmotorsports I bet there will be a 2 door Ramcharger trim

[@evmotorsports]

@@adv.013 hopefully in a 2 door full size suv with 4wd!

[@adv.013]

@evmotorsports it's going to be a 1500 truck, the full name is the Ram 1500 Ramcharger but it's just easier to say Ramcharger

[@nikonmark37814]

Toyota is the only car company looking for alternatives to gasoline powered ICE vehicles and EV's, everyone else is going EV. We need to explore all options, I don't want an EV if there is a clean, safe, inexpensive alternative.

[@jamesengland7461]

Well, this car is none of those.

[@roodick85]

They should've just done propane.

[@Mabeylater293]

2:00. Newsflash there are far more electrons than there are hydrogen atoms. So your statement is POINTLESS.

[@jamespaul2587]

This vehicle will only sell if hydrogen stations are built in sufficient numbers for heavy trucks.

[@Mabeylater293]

I don’t think you realize just how STUPID your comment is.

[@iqbalmu]

A car that pees😂

[@jacksonbangs6603]

Because I can charge a battery electric vehicle at my house, battery electric vehicles have my vote over hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.

toyota is the problem here..if they were convinced that hydrogen was the future then they should have built they own hydrogen charging system throughout the USA just like Tesla did for its electric cars..

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

umm this DIDN'T fail, the infrastructure failed

[@thedopplereffect00]

What was the true cost of it?

[@thepalerider]

I wish they would have made the the same push for hydrogen cars as they did for electric cars. I’d buy one if there was a hydrogen station where I’m at.

[@MichaelPanzer]

The question where the hydrogen is supposed to come from ist still not answered. You need like 3 times the electricity to produce the hydrogen and turn it back into electricity compared to just using the electricity directly in a car. So It's not about not having had a push, it's about it being way to expensive compared to a simple battery.

[@thepalerider]

@@MichaelPanzer it’s not anymore expensive than EVs. They are relatively close in price and the biggest failure on EVs at this point is software issues and batteries. Batteries aren’t even close to being reasonably priced. We’re talking upwards of 20k to do battery work on an EV. The price to maintain a hydrogen and ev car is irrelevant. 5 minute refuel vs 3 hr refuel is the kicker and you know how the old saying goes. “Time is money”

[@MichaelPanzer]

@@thepalerider I think you missunderstood, sourcing the hydrogen itself is the problem, not the devices wanting to use it. Read again.

[@JimBronson]

@@thepalerider It does not take 3 hours to refill at a DCFC on a road trip. You are misinformed. Takes me about 25 minutes to go to 20-80%.

[@thepalerider]

@@MichaelPanzer my statement still stands. It may take 3x more electricity to turn the hydrogen into electricity, I don’t know that as I haven’t seen any documentation for that, but it still has better range than most similar style vehicles. 222-350 for similar body type EV compared to 357-402 for the Toyota mirai.

[@duggydo]

The Hindenburg comes to mind when I think about hydrogen vehicles.

[@FlameOnTheBeat]

To be fair, that was almost 100 years ago and this is much safer than that. Hydrogen cars have plenty of flaws but exploding is not one of them.

[@duggydo]

@@FlameOnTheBeat exploding isn't the problem. The Hindenburg didn't explode either by the way.

[@Cloud30000]

Did you know that gasoline is volatile and subject to exploding if the vapors build pressure and encounter a source of ignition? People are scared of a video of a blimp catching fire without exploding and falling to the ground, and yet they ride 3 feet from a machine that undergoes many thousands of explosions every minute.

[@duggydo]

@@Cloud30000 maybe I should have used an analogy the simple minded could understand. Titanic failure…how about that?

[@mikekofMorrison]

The single most impractical car Toyota has ever produced. Can I fill it up at home? Um, sure if you have a couple million $$ to throw down. Are fueling stations abundant and convenient outside of California? Nope. I just have to shake my head in wonder. Toyota spent all this time and effort in developing a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle while ignoring the growing EV demand. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I feel bad for anyone who was suckered into buying this car.

[@darrendaine4914]

Because big oil would never let it succeed

[@thedopplereffect00]

Actually big oil would be the one to benefit. They can create H2 from natural gas all day long

[@aussie2uGA]

Hydrogen fuel cells do have a place in consumer automobiles but only if they can develop a small water to hydrogen converter onboard, to make it on demand rather than store and refill. They're still working on it.

[@ambee514]

Pretty sure that is not possible. You need electricity to convert the water into hydrogen gas and then you need to compress that gas to 10,000 psi. I don’t think it is possible to generate more power from the fuel cell than it would take to create, capture, and then store that hydrogen

[@aussie2uGA]

@@ambee514 It may not be but we get countless articles every year on "breakthrough advances" regarding it. We'll see.

[@Cloud30000]

It is absolutely possible by taking an EV charger for the power and water for conversion. It will be very slow, like charging an EV from a standard wall plug, but a built-in pump can easily compress small amounts of gas to 10,000psi. Anything faster than what an EV would get from a wall plug would require a devoted unit much like the high-speed chargers people install for EV’s, but it is still doable. Neither chargers currently exist, and the technology is still much less efficient (twice the electricity used to make the same amount of power as a normal EV would get), but that would improve with adoption and investment in the technology.

[@thedopplereffect00]

​@@Cloud30000you can't really compress to that PSI easily. You basically need to cryocool it

[@emanuele2723]

I’ve been wondering if they added a regular CCS charger to charge the electric battery (that way there is another option on top of fueling with hydrogen), would it have a better success?

[@MichaelPanzer]

the next step would be to get rid of the tanks and the cell in the front and fill it up with batteries for range and there you go....

[@volvo09]

It's only a 1.2kwh battery about 90% smaller than an electric car. Pointless to recharge, it would only drive like 5 miles.

[@thedopplereffect00]

​@@volvo09that's only 2% the capacity of an electric car, enough for 5 miles range

[@Kahless00]

We will have common hydrogen vehicles before we have level 5 autonomous driving.

[@kevinbarry71]

It failed completely. Please stop splitting your infinitives.

[@markgutekunstdc2516]

Its to bad. If fueling was cost effective and the infrastructure was there, I would be way for likely to purchase one. Would have been way better than current EV world. What a shame.

[@thedopplereffect00]

It is way worse than an EV

[@cwl5005]

Hydrogen seem like a much cheaper way to maintain an ev long term than the incredibly expensive battery replacements and the hours of down time just to charge them. Also not every home has a driveway and garage to have personal chargers verses another pretty quick fill up from a gas/Hydrogen station. I wonder how the ev station & grid build up price compares to Hydrogen stations and transportation to refill them like gasoline.

[@thedopplereffect00]

There are 8 year old Teslas with 430,000 miles on them...

[@yissibiiyte]

It's failure isn't the car's fault. The market is simply too entrenched in the myth that BEVs are the only future.

[@jamespaul2587]

It's not a myth, charging infrastructure is already in place for BEVs.

[@yissibiiyte]

@@jamespaul2587 and gas infrastructure is still 10× better than BEV infrastructure. Not to mention that hydrogen has the exact same benefits as gas

[@jamespaul2587]

@@yissibiiyte no, many BEV owners charge at home overnight which can't be done with H2. H2 lacks the benefit of adequate infrastructure and the ability to charge anywhere there is a plug.

[@Cloud30000]

All you need is water and electricity to create hydrogen; we don’t have viable machines to do so yet, but neither did the market have viable chargers when they first came out. A built-in slow charger could allow a vehicle to plug into any outlet and slowly convert water into hydrogen, or a machine could be built and marketed to install at home which does it much faster using higher current and voltage. Many people said gas was the only future before the charging infrastructure was built. It would be equally ignorant to think hydrogen is just as non-viable.

[@jamespaul2587]

@@Cloud30000 hydrogen production is far more complicated and expensive, and much less efficient than electricity production. While it may make sense for some heavy truck and ship transport, BEVs are a much better solution for most personal transport.

[@itsjustderek]

RUMOR HAS IT THAT ELON MUSK HIMSELF IS BUILDING A HYDROGEN-POWERED TESLA.

[@tommyg.6820]

We will all be driving H2 powered cars in the next 20 years or so. Mark my words on that. All the smart investors and scientists are working overtime to build that infrastructure. Once it's "economical" we'll be driving these as the BEV market crashes. Toyota putting their reputation on the line for H2 fueling is not a mistake. Just wait and see.

[@craigcampbell1843]

Yeah. Now that everyone can charge their cars at home while they are asleep, they’ll totally want to go back to the huge inconvenience of having to drive somewhere just to refuel. I’m sure they’ll be happy to give up instant torque and go back to an ICE too. 😂

[@alancobbin]

Yes Honda and Toyota have been saying the exact same thing the last 15-20 years,in the uk we currently have 15 yes 15 hydrogen stations for the whole of England ,Scotland ,Wales and Northern Ireland,if hydrogen ever gets as cheap as off-peak electricity and we have hundreds of stations then i might consider it ,the fact that 15 years on it’s just as expensive as diesel with a lot let range tells us all we need to know,EV’s are the future with solar and home battery storage not hydrogen.

[@renoallstate4573]

Mark my words, nuclear power is coming back, and EVs will be the norm

[@larrywave]

🤣🤣🤣

[@timoliver8940]

@@alancobbinactually there are now fewer hydrogen charging stations and between Aberdeen and London there are now none so a really useful fuel for the masses. When I visited Norway 2 years ago we saw 2 Mirai’s abandoned at inoperative Hydrogen refuelling sites…………. even Norway cannot make green Hydrogen economically or in sufficient quantities for use as a fuel

[@Urgento22]

So many shitty videos from TFL lately. Get back to what y'all used to do, off-road testing.

[@thedopplereffect00]

This is the TFLEV channel. Why are you subscribed to it?

[@theramquest4advanture.]

These car companies should make refill stations at their dealerships. I mean there you would already have to space for tanks and then people could refill their cars at the local dealerships. I don't know why they wouldn't do this and then they would sale more cars and it probably wouldn't cost as much as making refill stations by themselves. Just take some land right by the dealerships and put in the tanks and boom you have your infurstruction for the car.

[@thedopplereffect00]

The last thing people want to do is spend time at a dealership