IDW Sonic The Hedgehog #50 | A Comic Review by Megabeatman

The milestone 50th issue of IDW Sonic has arrived. Sonic, Tails, and Belle arrive in Eggman's city and are greeted by Dr. Starline's creations. Eggman himself prepares to take action against Starline. #SonicTheHedgehog #IDWPublishing #Issue50
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[@Samgreen90]

What I find interesting is the kind of "complicated relationship" that could be started between Bell and her older half brother… Metal Sonic.

[@alexisislas-gonzalez5991]

I mean she has met orbot and cubot

[@Moonman6882]

Well I guess Thanksgiving would be very awkward

[@Rabbitearsblog]

I never would have thought of Metal Sonic and Belle being related to each other. That actually has a lot of interesting story potential.

[@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439]

@@Moonman6882 Thanksgiving is always awkward when you have Eggman.

[@nellewoodruff6337]

Between Belle and also Orbot and Cubot during Rise of the Wisps, I'm really digging the big bro metal idea

[@benraven9087]

I got the impression that Tails only turned off the water pack and Kit actually passed out from his panic attack. Kind of sad, really.

[@judithdarville911]

Yeah that’s the vibe I was getting too 🥺 I want kit to be okay and get a happy ending please idw creators

[@vi6ddarkking]

In My Opinion That Was the Highest That Eggman Has Peaked Since His Archie Counterpart Burnt Knothole To The Ground.

[@Mike16192]

Or the time he tricked sonic and nearly killed him in Sa2

[@Rabbitearsblog]

@@Mike16192 Oooh! I loved that part!!

[@richieosborn2639]

@@BrakSplash I typed that fact on IMDB.

[@sylver_sonic7726]

The issue was incredible, completely worth the wait. Excited to see what will happen with Surge and Kit in the next issues!!

[@Not_black_imposter]

You are one of my favorites

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

@@BrakSplash ye

[@shypeoplearehawt8155]

To Silver_Sonic same I'm also excited to see What's next. Also makes me wonder as to how starline would react to this experience. Cuz that's his biggest crucial flaw right there underestimating everyone around him seriously believing that nothing or no one could ever surprise him or trip him up. So I wonder what he would do with this reality check he just got from Eggman

[@cyberprime9355]

If anything, this issue was a culmination of everything that came before, and is the foundation for what may be to come. My overall thoughts on the matter are that this issue has exceeded a few of my expectations (although a change in the Status Quo would've been appreciated) The fights in particular are what sold it for me, it showed that newer isn't always better. Sometimes, it is far worse. Made even more so if experience isn't brought to the table. Eggman clearly established why he was able to win: He thought well ahead in advance after his power core facility was raised and the rest of the fight came naturally. As they say, Patience is a virtue. A virtue that can mean the difference between success and failure. Or as paraphrased from military leader Sun Tzu, War isn't won over the course of a day. It is won over the course of a thousand days. Something Starline was so oblivious to due to his extremely narrowed scope. Make no mistake, I admire what Starline wanted to do....but he really didn't have any reason to stay in power because he is still a new blood. A noob. Starline is only get more brazen and bold with time, and perhaps may actually learn a thing or two that he failed to realize the first time. Also, I want to keep seeing him come back going forward. Of the two knockoffs Starline brought to the table, Kit has the best chance of being saved from what can only be described as torturous attack therapy and brainwashing. Given that Kit is an extremely young child (I say this because compared to Surge, it took far less time to program him, and young kids, by and large, are far more impressionable than teens) I can see Tails and Kit being competitive rivals, though Kit will initially have a hard time trusting others. Surge, Imo, is perhaps the most spiteful of the three. Where Starline had the face of spiraling depression and Kit had absolute fear, Surge is consumed with rage and spite. She does make a very valid point: If Sonic had terminated Eggman, if he just axed him and Starline the first time, all of this could have been avoided. Sonic's nonchalant attitude and having fun with it REALLY doesn't help his case, and perhaps only exacerbates his argument. But Sonic isn't inherently wrong either. Yes, he let them go because he wanted them to see the world Sonic sees it. Yes, he wants everyone to live and the moment and take it as it comes and goes. Yes, he purposefully wants to leave the villain think about their actions and tell themselves that they want to be better. No, Sparing them doesn't mean they turn a corner. No, it doesn't make the hero look better, but rather an accomplice to the crimes in the eyes of the inexperienced. No, terminating the villain isn't always the best answer, but usually is for the long term. Because doing that is comparable to telling people how to think and live, something that is just as unheroic as the enemy (even if the enemy does it on the regular) and followers of the enemy will cry foul and demand vengeance. Outside of these fights, Belle finally coming to terms with her losses and resolving herself to aiding Badniks is actually a great idea. She effectively acts as one part mechanic, one part reformatory for those who were discarded so long ago, giving them a new purpose for a better world. I expect to see progress on this front as we move forward. I apologize for such a long essay with this issue, but there is just so much I needed to get out there on this issue. It does it's job. It does it's job VERY well.

[@spider59er35]

I think they’ll do the new status quo in issue 52

[@nemohegdehog8944]

This was an awesome issue to show why the imposters were just that “Imposters” And I can’t tell who got to show off more Sonic not even needing to focus hard to beat Surge or Eggman dominating against everyone Starline had. I’ve heard it was confirmed that Starline met his maker here, with a slim chance of returning. If that’s true, I hope they give us time to see other villains shining. No secret that he and Belle have had a lot of attention over the last few arcs. I can’t wait to see more of Surge and Kit and find out what the heroes do next. (And I’d hope maybe the Chaotix are still looking for missing people and that maybe Surge and Kit are on their list) Great Review

[@terrellrogers7645]

Adam Bryce Thomas is on point with the Linear Art when he does issues, it’s so detailed and feels like a graphic novel and you get the whole sense of speed during the fights when reading, I love the art in this issue esp during the fighting

[@rockamillion2002]

I loved everything about this issue. From the artwork to the story. From the action to the dialogue. The confrontations and character moments were all magnificent. This is peak fiction right here. Ian Flynn, Adam Bryce Thomas, and everyone else who worked on this issue, thank you.

[@mileshk8083]

Until we see a body, I don't believe Starline is gone; mentally destroyed: absolutely. Every battle was done perfectly. I still can't believe how clever Eggman is, by planning to use the Egg Emperor as a countermeasure to Starline Tricore Power, but I keep forgeting that Eggman is capable of planning traps way ahead of his enemies in order for them to fall in them. And that huge slam he did on Starline was amazing. Tails and Kitsunami's fight wasn't really about power but talk. Tails never met him and wanted to talk and if it weren't for Starline and Surge, maybe Kit would've been able to calm down and speak everything. Still, that finishing part I didn't understand. Did Tails shut him off via the backpack or Kit suffered a mental meltdown that put him off the battle? Hope next issue we get to see that answered. Sonic vs. Surge was the main event. They were matched in many aspects, but experience ultimately led to the hedgehog's victory. Still, Surge words were interesting. She doesn't know who she was in the past, but the feeling of betrayal might've come because of her past friends never went to find her nor Kit. And now that Starline is MIA she can't have the answers she and Kit desperately need. Strangely, I don't want to know their past and I hope to see this duo in many future issues, keeping this role of rivals with no past.

[@sonicwithglasses131]

One thing I didn't like was her saying sonic goes at the speed of sound when he has been MFL for 20 years now

[@sevensvn5391]

@Miles HK I'm pretty sure the writers confirmed he straight up died. No current plans to bring them back.

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

And just the other day, Corey at Oneyplays was losing his shit over what BS war of attrition Egg Emperor is in Sonic Heroes, and the original tricore mechanic in that game. Truly the greatest video game adaptation to date. And staying relevant with contemporary media.

[@blazingsonic]

Yeah Ian Flynn said Starline is dead.

@@sonicwithglasses131 WDYM by ‘MFL’?

[@markgill346]

Starline's comeuppance reminds me of when Eggman had a mental breakdown in Sonic Archie #200 except Starline was crushed by rubble. I wonder if we will ever see Starline again.

[@videogollumer]

Ian doesn't plan on it, but the fans and Sega CAN change his mind.

[@poiisedaracknos793]

It might change but for now starlines dead

[@Samgreen90]

Anyone else wondering what's going to happen to Kit, now that he's all alone and Surge is MIA, while Starline is probably KIA?

[@manicms]

That one panel of him desperately trying to scoop up what was left of his water made me love him

[@Samgreen90]

@@manicms I'm not sure if Kit is younger than Tails (Miles Prowler currently being 8 years old with a high IQ) or if he's just smaller because the kind of species of fox he is, but you got to feel sorry for this little boy. I say that because he's life is about to get MUCH worse now. As everything he DID have, even if it was a little, is falling apart before him. Now that he knows that the only person he cares about, who Starline brainwashed to be loyal to, who is like a sister to him (yeah she was abusive, rude, talking down him, taking him for granted, and probably doesn't give a damn), is missing… that even IF he did run into her again, she'll be a lot worse that she won't need him anymore.

[@manicms]

@@Samgreen90 Well Fennec foxes are really small, but I'd say he's definitely emotionally younger, given all the mind wipes and whatnot. I do hope he gets some more screentime now that he's separated from Surge!

[@Samgreen90]

@@manicms I'm wondering is, who's going to take care of Kit and take full responsibility of looking out for and looking after Kit? On the one hand, I can see Tails having he live with him, because they're both foxes they can relate with bad experience, being looked down on, they're mostly similar, and like Sonic, he can start being a big brother figure to someone else like him, who really NEEDS the support. However, I don't remember if Tails does lives with Sonic or if he has his own home. But if Tails does live with Sonic, Kit might unintentionally and emotionally lash out at Sonic, blaming him for killing Surge.

[@manicms]

@@Samgreen90 Tails has his own workshop, Kit could live there. Also I'm pretty sure Surge isn't dead as she's on the cover of the next couple issues!

[@tonycorona8501]

I noticed the Shadow the hedgehog reference. It's appropiate, with how Sonic mentions him.

[@shonenbois]

It’s was really interesting seeing Eggman just Let Belle do what she wanted. Idk I just really liked that scene

[@Peasham]

I'm guessing he's gonna use Metal Sonic to screw with her signal or something

[@alcatrazvongola]

@@Peasham Yeah, he gives Belle a very suspicious smile when she mentions that she turned herself into a router.

[@rynobehnke8289]

He got Belle's IP now so she properly will end up ether brainwashed or a secret Spy like Cosmo in Sonic X by the end of the story (It even explains why that one badnik was so willing to get her back to Team Sonic)

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

...and then it turns out, it's Metal who Eggman banked on getting HIS firmware updated, like a virus spread from Belle's programming to make him more adaptable. Although, I was hoping for Belle's clumisness to be part of her "good" programming because Eggman even as Mr. Tinker sees goodness as just a limitation. Or more that, he doesn't see himself as evil, but simply as being limited by nothing, that's why he only could imagine Belle as good by removing ruthless efficiency. Mr. Tinker was and is part of Eggman, but Eggman is ALL of Mr. Tinker and more. It's the old, mad sceintist testing on himself trope, but in case of Eggman even as a baddie he would risk becoming good, if that can narrow his perspective in a way that may result in a new discovery like Belle. It would be no different than playing chess against himself, but if he can forget what the other side is thinking it becomes more interesting.

[@BlackFlash09]

I'd like Starline's death to be pernament. Maybe introduce a spirtual succesor; a new "imposter" for Knuckles. Instead of taking a page from Goku, Sonic should've taken a page from Aang. You don't have to kill your enemies, but you can make sure they won't hurt anyone again. Hmm... maybe Goku should take that lesson too.

[@RealBroccoliHour]

Imposter among us

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

@@RealBroccoliHour plz don't mention it again aaargghhh!

[@ant445]

cripple them forever and let them live with their actions

[@jettlucashayes8508]

Think the next imposter style character will be the remnants of the metal virus which will become Nazo and go full cell mode

[@richieosborn2639]

@@jettlucashayes8508 oh yes! That’s a great theory!

[@mr.kingkayyy7401]

What's interesting is Sonic's "I won't kill" mentality is actually contradicted a couple of times, As he was willing to kill the Djinns, Knights of the underworld, and King Arthur.

[@mr.kingkayyy7401]

@Ready Or Not The Biolizard is a tragic character nobody talks about. Imagine being an artificially created monstrosity with no parents, confined to a single room, connect to a life support system since the day you were born for over 50 years. Just to be killed for trying to fulfill the purpose of your creation.

[@dantemustdie00]

If theirs no other choice in the matter or of the foe in questions is some kind of Eldritch monster or God like Biolizard, King Arthur, Solaris, Time Eater, Ifrit, the Metalrex, etc. Then yeah no holding back.

[@SonicFlameCreator]

@Ready Or Not Killed Dark Gaia? No, they just made it go back to dormancy. Why would they kill it when it's neccesary for balance? You know what all these have in common though? They all have proved to be a absolute threat to the world by starting the process of destroying it. He won't let you chose to destroy the world, he'll stop you right then and there. I feel like the storybooks get brought up but in those games he's trying to get back to his world, I don't think he really is that hung up about killing their textbook villains. Hell in Black Knight he says he's fine playing the bad guy. He should be fine with killing, he just doesn't do it all the time unless he feels it's justified.

[@mr.kingkayyy7401]

@Ready Or Not Even though Sonic doesn't kill Dark Gaia, he still kills dozens of Dark Gaia Minions as the Werehog.

[@SonicFlameCreator]

@Ready Or Not Nah that's fair, I had to look it up myself to be sure. A lot of Sonic's thought process here comes from his experiences in the comic and the games. He saw Eggman, probably the most consistently evil villain in the series, turn into a genuinely good dude. He wasn't causing harm, he was creating robots that helped society. And in Sonic Heroes, instead of destroying Metal Sonic he offers him a rematch. SA1 he understands Chaos and tries to calm Chaos down. What he's saying here is he will take responsibility for the people he lets go. With Surge he makes it clear, if she wants to destroy the world then that's fine, she's just gonna get defeated by him again and again. I get why you're saying what you're saying, but I think that criticism is misplaced. This characterization actually allows Sonic to not have to deal with the "why doesn't he kill Eggman if he's killed X X and X" criticism and exemplifies one of his core character traits, freedom. Mix this and Black Knight's characterization and bam I think Sonic would be perfect.

[@jarrodkopf6813]

Issue #50 shows that Eggman is still the man with the master plan. Also, I can't wait to see where Kit goes now that he is separated from Surge.

[@chaosbuster1275]

Yeah, Ian Flynn confirmed Starline is dead, though he did offer the idea of bringing him back if the fan response is big enough. I do kind of wish he had a more climactic death, like he loses to Eggman, but sees Surge as a last resort, and she overwhelms Eggman, and when Starline is reveling in his victory at the main Eggman tower, Surge destroys the main tower, killing him. Either way, it’s obvious Flynn plans on replacing Starline with Surge and Kit as the big comic antagonist, so they’re definitely staying as villains.

[@JohnnyTightlips2007]

Ending still felt like a throwaway to me. Snively did lose in his final hurrah but as a consequence, Robotnik added a character named Regina to his army (Techno Mage). Dr. Finitevus lost Enerjak but the damage was already done with the loss of Locke and the other events during the Fourths rampage. Starline and Surge as for now exit the stage without really doing that much in the end. Granted I have yet to see what the next chapter will be at this time so there's still a chance Surge at least will do more.

[@Big-Image]

I have a feeling in later issues, Kit will sacrifice himself in defending Sonic and his friends from a newly powered up Surge.

[@lastlantern3371]

Sonic's refusal to kill is one of his most interesting qualities.

[@videogollumer]

His refusal to take preventative measures against villains at all, after he defeats them, is the problem! If he wants to protect as many lives as he can, some have to be incarcerated!

[@sonicplays8740]

@@videogollumer He did send the Zeti to Lost World after their battle, making sure they couldn't come back with that rocket.

[@videogollumer]

@@sonicplays8740 Yeah, but he did nothing with Metal Sonic during Issue 12 or Eggman at the end of Issue 32.

[@caseybenne8823]

He maybe impulsive sometimes but his hearts in the right place. He thought of giving his arch nemesis a second chance even though he had amnesia and turned back evil. But that was Starline’s fault. Things do well in the end. But Sonic is always fighting for what’s right.

[@videogollumer]

@@caseybenne8823 Starline cannot take all the credit; in fact, he didn't. Mr. Tinker didn't turn back into Eggman until he laid a hand on Metal Sonic; even Starline admitted to Belle AND himself that he was needed. Gee, if only he wasn't repaired, reactivated, and released into the world after his defeat on Angel Island; none of the bad things that followed would have happened. Hmm, I forget; who was it that did that? 🤔

[@Mrdengekioh]

Don't worry, I'm sure Starline will come back in 20-ish issues from now in the form of an alternate dimensional counterpart.

[@Peasham]

Didn't expect the comic to officially solidify itself as the best sonic thing in the last decade, but oh lord did it

[@udhsids]

Surge is basically Shadow from his game minus his moral compass (Maria) that lead him throughout the game.

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

*_Cough cough_* Ashura and Scourge ya forgot!

[@animezilla4486]

That will be cool if she did fight Shadow

[@richieosborn2639]

@@animezilla4486 don’t remind us about Omens.

[@udhsids]

@@johnremizeztomilloso158 I don't know who Ashura but I know Scourge enough to know he literally Sonic without any positive traits. (Idk why I just now see this comment)

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

@@udhsids Scourge and Surge are basically inspired by ashura the glitchhog but surge is more noticeable cause base on her black circle on her face

[@antonissa8345]

I have a feeling that it will be a LOONG time before IDW sonic ends. Like that I will be an full fledged adult by the time it ends and I’m 19 now. I mean the original transformers IDW comics continued for 13 years. The Archie comic lasted what 20-30 years? So I see a LONG road ahead of us.

[@TheSwordsman100]

I disagree, while sure it gets Sonic into all kinds of trouble, I really like IDW!Sonic's steadfast commitment to being merciful. It makes him stand out more.

[@animezilla4486]

I agree the thing most people hasn't considered is the fact that maybe Sega wanted sonic to be merciful. That's exactly why sonic It doesn't kill eggman for two reasons 1. That's not the way how Sonic rolls 2. Is eggman were to die then the story will be and besides I don't think Sega will be happy with that

[@videogollumer]

Yeah, as a jerk.

[@jospehpenn3033]

@@animezilla4486 except Sonic has killed people before and if not killed imprisioned until however long yet in idw we havent gotten that

[@justynhill4814]

@@jospehpenn3033- Sonic destroys monsters and imprisoned cruel god like beings.

[@jospehpenn3033]

@@justynhill4814 and other criminals

[@Hyperdragon1701]

Since nobody seems to notice it or rather at least talk about it, I would like to point out that the fact that Eggman let Belle go is absolutely a ploy. The fact she said she made herself a secure router while directly interfering with Metals code is absolutely a red flag. Like she basically gave Eggman the access codes to herself because Metal at this point is still connected to her. For someone who is really smart... that was really dumb.

[@videogollumer]

Yeah, I can see two possible exploitations from that. 1. Eggman might use her to spy on the heroes, and possibly control her. 2. He may be able to take her designation as his tech away, allowing his Badniks to harm her.

[@darrylh1971]

Congrats to IDW for 50 issues of its Sonic the Hedgehog comic book incarnation outside of specials and annuals and miniseries, and here's to 50 more (even when I still hope Sally Acorn's Freedom Fighters would ever come to IDW Sonic comics someday in the near or not so near future).

[@loiiysailor1177]

never because of Ken Penders

[@videogollumer]

@@loiiysailor1177 He doesn't own the freedom fighters.

[@loiiysailor1177]

@@videogollumer then why Sega themselfs won't use them , if Ken doesn't own explain them

[@videogollumer]

@@loiiysailor1177 From what I can tell, a lot of people suspect that Sega just doesn't consider them to fit the franchise's image.

[@ViroVeteruscy]

If Starline does return, I think he'll be some sort of cyborg since it looked like Robotnik's Badniks were lifting ruble (though it could have been in his headquarters) and he did have that figure of a Mecha Starline that could be foreshadowing but who knows, would be neat. Surge is obviously alive as they've already hinted that she can recover from massive/fatal damage and will likely go back for Kit at some point (as all those two have is each other). Really eerie that Tails may have "offed" Kit for the moment >.>

[@petre1758]

It does really feel like Sega told Flyn that Sonic should have a strict "no kill" policy, and he just went like "ok, but I'll make it a character flaw and explore realistic consequences of that philosophy" Malicious compliance, my beloved

[@justynhill4814]

The only time a hero kills is when it’s a god like being that wants to destroy the world or universe.

[@jcmahrt5100]

Apparently I heard that Ian Flynn said that Starline is dead.

[@donisamwentete5079]

That sad

[@kenjilol7551]

Eggman defending his throne as the top villain of the franchise

[@DLxxx]

Not the first time either, lol. Honestly though, nothing can beat the way he toppled the Naugus twins in the Archie universe (it was so cool seeing him getting to see his many layers, and actually gain a rapport with his Egg Bosses in that story).

[@SonicMania2099]

5:15 Surprisingly strong, but also not so surprisingly stupid too

[@mr.skateandwatch]

I like how surge and Sonic’s fight ended. Sonic offers mercy as he did countless times before in the comic book; And surge is easily annoyed about it that she retorts with a zap. Understandably so, given how she developed before meeting the hedgehog. I feel like her character from this point will be “petty” contrasted to Sonic’s “stubborn will” - - - - - - - - - - - And spoilers: I hope the silent talking canis lupus isn’t the first in surges line of victims

[@videogollumer]

The cover of Issue 53 shows that they'll meet; but considering that Whisper is already being pursued by the unscrupulous thaumoctopus mimicus; I'd be more worried for him... Wait! No I wouldn't!

[@jospehpenn3033]

I really do understand surge though "your giving certain people chances specifically the doctors who dont want that chance cause they just wanna rule the worldnso stop giving them a chance they woulnt care if you took away"

[@videogollumer]

@@jospehpenn3033 I mean, yeah! It's like Grommash Hellscream said in Lord of the Clans, "It is a fool who repeats the same actions expecting a different outcome.".

[@scodeknight3178]

7:12 yeah there’s no way he’s surviving that he’s dead rip Starline you were a great villain while you lasted

[@kieranwrightstone2199]

Ian Flynn has confirmed it himself…Starline is dead. This is the end of his story. Unfortunately for the rest of the planet, he made Surge very hard to kill.Considering how she was made to counter Sonic and Scourge as her inspiration she has the potential to be a much bigger threat than what he Starline could ever be.

[@animezilla4486]

Is this true

[@animezilla4486]

Is this true

[@kieranwrightstone2199]

It is, I looked it up after watching this as I wasn't sure myself. Looked on a few different sources and this is what I found.

[@playerback7722]

Scourge > Surge

[@kieranwrightstone2199]

@@playerback7722 True, but she hasn't fully developed yet. Won't be to his level yet still quite the threat

[@kunlesanders]

Feels like Sonic the Hedgehog (himself) got things too carried away, and he's also corrupted.

[@videogollumer]

Yep! In the same manner as Injustice Batman.

[@justynhill4814]

In what way is Sonic corrupted?

[@jordanphipps6436]

This whole issue definition of peak fiction.

[@MarcMagma]

I've seen such "deaths" enough to not believe for a second that this was the last we saw from Starline and Surge. I think their "deaths" serve as a little reset to have the Status Quo changed without actually changing it. Basically to make sure they can operate from the shadows again without having Eggman try and fail to hunt them down. And with Mimic and Clutch still out and about and a pool of nameless on the run-convicts to draw from for some new villains, I think it'll take some time until they reappear as main villains of a story again. Which I'm fine with since I think they are definitely big shot material, on the level of the Zeti if not even second only to Eggman himself. Though I do wonder what they are going to do with them in the meantime. With Starline's mental breakdown, they could take his character into a lot of directions, from freeing himself from the burden that is his admiration for Eggman to going completely insane and everything in-between (also redemption but I doubt anyone would want that). Aand since he doesn't know Surge and Kit wanted to betray him, he'd still see them as his loyal minions. So Surge and (if she reunites with him) Kit could exploit that to use him for their own ends. And speaking of Surge: Sonic proved to be her superior. I wonder how that's gonna affect her. I'm really looking forward to what comes next.

[@TF2Fan101]

Actually, Ian Flynn apparently confirmed that Starline was dead in a podcast he does.

[@MarcMagma]

@@TF2Fan101 Could you tell me the name of that Podcast and where one can find it. Both to fact check that and to pay attention to his exact wording. For example, if he literally says "Starline is dead", it doesn't necessarily mean that he is actually dead but rather that he reinvents himself completely becoming a new person thereby "killing" his old self. He wouldn't be the first writer to pull something like that...

[@System509]

We already know Surge is coming back cos she’s featured on a cover for a future issue so IDW spoiled the hell out of this lol

[@Max1996YT]

@@TF2Fan101 Though he apparently also did say he might bring Starline back if there's enough fan demand for that.

[@DLxxx]

@@System509 But characters have been on the cover of issues they don't appear in all the time, lol (especially if it's a variant). It doesn't mean much, unless it actually relates to the official synopsis.

[@spacewarsfight281]

Amazing as always

[@funkmastaC]

Fights, fights, moral grandstanding, and more fights. It’s a great penultimate issue. With the new antagonists out of the way it is time for a city scramble.

[@xarbiter173x]

I’m with you on Surge’s point. Killing or incapacitating your enemies will save more lives down the road. Nope, Sonic refuses because of his moral code. He could’ve kill the Deadly Six and Eggman at various points, but Sonic doesn’t kill. It will be a amazing to see some of Sonic’s friends who we haven’t seen (Silver, Blaze, Whisper, Shadow) fighting Surge and kit. Ian flynn, please make it happen

[@NoRegs30]

We will se Surge fight Whisper later on It’s in one of the covers for later

[@xarbiter173x]

@@NoRegs30 yup 👍

[@jospehpenn3033]

Eggman man truely is the most justified one or at the least the one that should have the mos pre precautions against him "But no its just hey whatever happens happens" its weird they dont have to kill eggman. Maybe lock him up to where he'll never escape and he escapes anyways, people keep saying "its like the joker guys sonic cant live without eggman", which...is kinda boring cause thats the quality everyone hates about batman, and "oh sonic doesnt kill people" until you forget all the main and storybook games are cannon

[@videogollumer]

In Lost World, he knocked Zavok and Zor into the Lava and beat up the rest of the deadly six until they exploded into puffs of white smoke!

[@justynhill4814]

Because Sonic doesn’t let his fears change who he is and like he said he wants to give everyone a choice to make a better path.

[@BobThePenguin.]

This chapter went so hard, especially with that Eggman fight, that scene might just define him as the best version of eggman to date.

[@bazzjedimaster]

It was a mix bag for me, the Starline vs Eggman storyline was expertly concluded in a very effective manner that brought closure not just to that storyline but to Bell's arc too, I agree that it gave Eggman some of his old Archie self vibes, that said the imposters fights fell a bit anticlimactic, not because the main characters won, that was expected, but it made it feel Kit and Surge didn't left as much of an impression on Tails and Sonic, which feels dissapointing, specially with Surge. But it is true that the experiencie gap is too wide right now, and the imposters still have great potential. Still I personally would had preffered if the imposters had fought in their own issue and the doctors had their own to deal with their battle.

[@juanbisonosuero3650]

6:11 not in vain eggman was once the professional wrestler El Gordo

[@Rman94]

I think other reasons for the Imposters's defeat is a lack of foresight, Starline's plan was good but he forgot to bring extra supplies. Back-up power cores or a new weapon for himself he hadn't shown Eggman, extra water reserves for Kit, and well any sort of power-up for Surge. Also Starline never really made use of the Badnik horde he had called to the city, having the hacked Badniks backing them up in the three separate fights would've actually won the imposter trio the day but like Eggman said Starline got tunnel vision and focused too much on trying to beat the originals at their own game. Not to mention for all the "training" Starline put Surge and Kit through they never actually fought against opponents like Sonic and Tails before, mostly just Badniks and obstacle courses and they did beat Metal Sonic they did so as a team.

[@playerback7722]

Surge making the points is basically the blame game. She could have taken out Starline herself and even force him to reveal.more of her past and figure it out by he rage and aggronace prevented her from doing that and just pins it on Sonic. Sonic has a point of Surge trying to become a problem to some one cause she couldn't figure out her past.

[@videogollumer]

Sonic has been play that game since Issue 6!

[@leon4000]

@@videogollumer As much as Sonic wants people to learn their lesson. Sometimes they won't do that because they are still in their own minds and never thought outside their usual box. Even Mega Man was right to put Wily behind bars, because he knows Wily never learns from his mistakes. Sonic at least does need to consider a limit, because while sparing people does work for those who have a chance to take, it won't work for others who are the "irredeemable".

[@videogollumer]

​@@leon4000 Putting Eggman in prison is already sparing him enough, assuming he isn't put on death row. Even then, his life is not immediate threatened until it's his turn, assuming, there's much of a line to begin with. Frankly, I think putting him in prison and shackling him to the wall would be mercy enough after the War and Virus. He more than likely would escape eventually, but easing the burden on the world even a little bit for a fair amount of time can make a huge difference.

[@Kbrathwaite621]

Sonic & Tails took out Surge & Kit, Kit’s hydro pack runs out, Kit could be friends with Sonic & crew, Surge is still alive & plots revenge on Sonic & friends, Starline is dead.

[@bearberserker]

An interesting comparison with Sneevly and Starline. Also, them fighting each other makes me think of foils for each other.

[@Snootedits]

Eggman got HANDS!!!

[@kingkirby1394]

To think I just finished reading this issue about 12 minutes ago because I saw it was up on YT already 😂

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

Same as mine yesterday 🤣

[@brandonontama2415]

Yep, I'm getting into the comics again this sounds awesome.

[@shypeoplearehawt8155]

I'm also excited to see What's next. Also makes me wonder as to how starline would react to this experience. Cuz that's his biggest crucial flaw right there underestimating everyone around him seriously believing that nothing or no one could ever surprise him or trip him up. So I wonder what he would do with this reality check he just got from Eggman

[@justinmyers7587]

This issue lived up to every possible expectations I had with a all 3 of the fights being amazing and honestly being so good that it's making me mad that Flynn is not actually writing Frontiers.

[@loiiysailor1177]

He is tho

[@dragfang3723]

Let's not forget that they didn't make sonic stomp surge

[@DLxxx]

Yeah, but given how easily he overpowered her when they started getting worn down, it's not difficult to surmise he was holding back. Remember, Metal Sonic ALSO beat Surge, and she needed Kit to interfere and help her take the robot offline.

[@titang6173]

While it is a point that Sonic's mercy has caused some conflicts, I don't think toning it down is the answer. Let's not forget that he was about to spin-dash into Belle before Tails convinced him she wasn't like other Badnicks, so it isn't very far on him. It's like you're expecting him to be two different things. I think Serge is just going to a tough but to crack. I think you've been to critical on Sonic during these issues.

[@ninjanate5018]

*Rails*

[@DLxxx]

The problem is that Sonic showing mercy to his enemies actually conflicts with his character and history. It's hypocrisy for him to let Starline or the Zeti live when he's already killed many, MANY enemies in past games. Some of which he didn't want to. Like, imagine if he spared King Author, the Biolizard, Erazor Djin (who was sealed away for eternity and only wasn't killed due to being an immortal genie), or even Emeryl when he went out of control in the end of Sonic Battle..

[@titang6173]

@@DLxxx it depends on either he knows that there's no changing an enemy. Biohazard was a mindless monster that was going to crash into Earth at the will of Gerald, the fake King Arthur was very vague and you forgot that he did spare Merlina. As for Emerl, he didn't have much of a choice there since time was against him, but he succeeded in give him a second chance anyway as of Sonic Advance 3.

[@DLxxx]

@@titang6173 I agree that Sonic will spare his enemies if he deems they're capable and willing to change, but that doesn't mean he won't commit lethal justice on those who don't (or alternatively, incapacitating them forever, like he did with Erazor). Actually, what he did to the fake Aurthor was _very_ explicit. Merlina made it clear to him that he'd be committing regicide and would forever be known as "the worst of knights" and "slayer of kings." And he then proceeded to kill him on screen at the end of their second fight, lol. As for Merlina herself, Sonic DID try to kill her with his final attack, but she was protected by the scabbard (which granted the user immortality), and _it_ was destroyed in her place. After that, it was obvious she wasn't a threat to anyone anymore, and no longer had the means to exact her wish. Seeing that she was only misguided and driven to commit her plan out of despair, Sonic decided to help her find closure and give her a more positive outlook on life. Also, he originally DID kill the Deadly Six in Lost World. At the end of his final fights with them, they all died *on-screen* (either being shattered into dust, or forced into lava). Zor even comments on it as you kill him, lol. The fact that they're alive in the IDW comics is actually a _retcon._ If it's just a matter of him only killing when he believes the enemy is capable or willing to change, then it wouldn't make any sense for Sonic to let the Zeti live after they briefly drained all the energy from his planet and killed everyone on it, while also trying to roboticize his best friend. All for the shallow goal of getting more power. There's absolutely no reason he'd be content just sending them back to the Lost Hex. I'll concede that Sonic and Tails did find a way to give Emeryl a second chance after Advance 3, but it's not like that was his plan the whole time. He only got that idea after shutting Gemeryl offline, and realizing they could restore Emeryl's memories after the fact. It's not like Sonic was resurrecting the insane, power hungry machine he fought before, he's just restoring someone who's already a good person.

[@titang6173]

@@DLxxx either way, it depends on how villainous the bad guy is that depends on whether or not Sonic is willing to spare them. I will condeed to the fake King Arthur, but I take as that Sonic saw that his rule over Camelot has become to corrupt for reasoning to he had. Which is why he appealed to Merlina because she could be reasoned with. As for the Deadly Six, they were willing to suck the life out of the planet, which obviously ment that they were beyond redemption. Even Eggman never took it that far. So, either Sonic is willing to redeem a villain depends on if they can change for the better. As he said himself in the issue, every has the right to choose, and if they choose to be bad then the choose to be trashed by him.

[@59rlmccormack]

9/10, my man, the IDW Sonic era truly is amazing & this issue is the peak of awesomeness. Also, Sonic has wicked good advice.

[@videogollumer]

Nope! Just plain wicked advice.

[@thefastesthedgehog6795]

Eggman becomes kingpin by slamming starline to the ground

[@Graywinter-vz7zo]

I loved it

[@helenal.8504]

I hope shadow interacts with surge, I think he has a better chance to help her since they have similar backgrounds.

[@judithdarville911]

Yo a surge and shadow team up since kit is currently with the heroes?? Please IDW can this happen 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@machtenverl5916]

Shadow helping surge? Yeah, right

[@kingjamesc1156]

I mean who knows for all we know surge might have a whole family out there

[@Mwest_]

This has became my favorite comic book series of all time

[@MarioKartGamerDude]

So excited to dub this Issue!

[@GeneBean43]

I'm glad they went ahead and established in imposter synonym #3 that Surge, thanks to starline's metal virus altercations an "upgrades", can now with stand deadly attacks/situations without even a scratch. This way when they bring her back (bc they obviously will) it won't feel so much like the "BUT WAIT-" character revivals that they've already rehashed with so many of the sonic characters 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@wisccheese9257]

Awesome issue

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, interesting, i will look forward to see how things will go from here. Anyway, i gotta say, about the Issue, i was expecting certain reveals to happen, but ended up not happening and i don’t really know how to feel about that, regardless it was pretty worth the wait overall, in my opinion.

[@alimowla3204]

1:17 oh cool, eggman and starline on the cover sorta resemble the eggman/neo metal sonic statue from sonic heroes, neat.

[@justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313]

Eggman in this issue was at the top of his game. Not only did we see a return of his menacing side, something that's been absent for *years* since Pontac and Graff took over as the main writers for the series with Lost World giving a rather weak attempt at a threatening Eggman, but we also see that he does learn from his mistakes and previous attempts. Even though he knows Sonic's weaknesses, even though he had multiple attempts to kill Sonic when his guard was down (looking at you Sonic Labyrinth), he lets the hedgehog live just so he can have some fun. Though I question Eggman calling Infinite out on letting Sonic live when he himself has done it multiple times. Being bit of a hypocrite in that game, huh Eggman? Regardless, in this issue we see why Eggman calls himself the best. I'm still shakey on Sonic Frontiers, but with Ian Flynn writing the game and after seeing this, I'm still a bit cautious. Definitely hyped, but cautious because this is SEGA we're talkin' about. They'll find some way to lessen/ruin the experience.

[@Ihartwalrusguy]

Seeing Eggman bodyslam Starline makes me wonder, why does he need all these robots to take on Sonic?

[@davidajayi6516]

Because super speed. people tend to forget most of the mobians have super powers

[@MarcMagma]

'Cause Starline ain't as skilled of a fighter as Sonic. Or, you know, as fast. Physical strength means nothing if you can't land a hit.

[@RealBroccoliHour]

Starline is one of the weaker athros physically. Sonic’s athleticism is too great, Eggman has to resort to building Metal Sonic’s to match him.

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@davidajayi6516 Eggman out ran Sonic in both Sonic 2 and 3. Even as recent as Lost world was he still capable of keeping up with Sonic. Eggman doesn't need Robots he simple want Robots.

[@Not_black_imposter]

I am sure eggman was a wwe wrestler like what the heck he turned starline into soup can

[@thunderpantz]

El Gran Gordo

[@CoolCrimsonJaguar]

I wonder if any of the restoration or maybe team dark will show up to help. Sonic and Tails can't be the only ones who noticed the mass migration of badniks, right? And even though Sonic and Tails could fight through this, there's probably more badniks here than they are used to, not to mention they have a civilian with them. On a side note, Belle mentions when she meets back up them that the badnik she's riding is being tame towards her, which indicates to me that Eggman maybe wants Belle alive. Double that with his smirk when he hears she connected with Metal, it seems like Eggman might have a new mole implanted in the restoration, whether she likes it or not. Belle's suffering will never end, it seems. In the future cover you showed, we see Whisper! She might be one of the allies who joins the fray, and with Whisper there, there's a mighty good chance Tangle will be close behind. Imagine every ally we've met in the comic joining this fight, that would be sick. Of course that probably won't happen, Silver and Blaze don't really have a good reason to join so late into the fight. But who knows. The morality debate continues on. It's interesting that the writers keep highlighting it instead of dancing around it. Dancing around it would certainly paint Sonic in a better light, but people would obviously grow agitated at the elephant in the room. By addressing the "no-kill-rule" they sort of make Sonic feel... naïve? I'm not saying he looks bad, and there are people who agree with him, both in story and IRL. But people keep confronting him about it, and it refreshes the debate in the fandom. I actually like that the writers bring it up when it's relevant, it almost feels like they're not handling this topic with kid gloves. That might just be me, though Ian Flynn has said somewhere that he intended this issue to be where Starline died. But I hafta call BS. Even if Ian intended for Starline to be dead, eeehhhh, this is comic books and even if Starline's outta the picture for now, there's a chance that he'll show back up far down the line. Depending on how long this comic runs, it might be later rather than sooner.

[@INSTALLATION-vd4zu]

Something deep down in me is saying that Amy's talert cards has something to do with belle we know that Amy picked a card for belle and she saw something bad. That bad card might happen real soon. Is it death or siding with eggman.

[@thejesterofcomedy1670]

So, you're telling me that the future secretary of Silver. Dies entering in depression?

[@mitchellalexander9162]

STH Issue 50 Then: Robotnik Annihilates Knothole Village with a Laser and Sonic fight him while Robotnik's Base EXPLODES!!!! Ending the ARC!!! and then it was revealed to be weird temporal shenanigans by Snively undercutting the moment in a vacuum for First Time Readers STH Issue 50 Now:

[@dragfang3723]

Wonder what would have happened if sonic fought kitsunami and tails fought surge

[@friskycalibri2293]

Tails... Would've died.

[@rynobehnke8289]

I don't really thing Surge would have allowed for that outcome. But if it would have happened would Sonic properly have speed blitzed Kit and quickly there after teamed up with Tails to get an easy knock out for Surge.

[@Prime_Legend]

Bruh Tails would probably die lmao.

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

After reading the issue 50 yesterday i almost forgotten that Surge survived the smash in issue 2 or 3 from imposter syndrome btw so… 16:23/16:24 Tf Surge just becames *_Shelectro_* (electro of course From the ultimate comics) She still alive and my head canon started in my head in the night before i sleep that i dream that surge meet E-105 Zeta or E-102 Gamma in the underground that she accidentally turned on the last E-series robots in my head canon dream of course!

[@mrallguys7481]

Best issue thus far

[@mindelsewhere3521]

Eggman goin crazy yo

[@Rman94]

I think I have an idea of how Starline "might" make a return later on, back during the metal virus saga/arc Eggman showed off his man-cave to Starline in "Eggman's day off". In it there were toy models of different characters one of which was a toy Mecha/Metal Starline, anyway once the Egg city arc warps up and the Badniks find what remains of Starline while cleaning up, Eggman could remake/rebuild Starline turning him a Badnik similar to Metal Sonic. Although perhaps one more focused on engineering then combat since Belle turned down Eggman's offer.

[@markgill346]

Maybe even create a Robotizer and turn his remains into Mecha Starline.

[@SonicPAJ]

I don't think they need to tone down Sonic's mercy, but you can force him into an ultimatum situation.

[@videogollumer]

Would him learning that letting Metal Sonic go is what brought Eggman back thus causing nearly ever bad thing that has happened since Issue 12 count?

[@dantemitsoyu977]

Sonic is faster than the speed of light in base W

[@Micsize]

I hope they put super sonic vs that shock girl

[@brazguard3akabg357]

Wait...so if the backpack on Kitsunami caused him to shut off when it got shut off, does that make him a cyborg?

[@tyshadowflame6973]

On an unrelated note, do you think idw will pick up mega man and make comics?

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

Sonic not taking responsibility for letting metal sonic go really bugs me.

[@videogollumer]

Finally, Something we agree on.

[@Big-Image]

Since Ian Flynn is (probably) going to write Sonic Frontiers, do you think there's a chance for the game's new character Sage to appear in the comic?

[@videogollumer]

We'll have to see after Frontiers' release if and how it will be adapted; it'll be the first Sonic game since Forces, which the comic based it's initial set up on.

[@AceOfPhanatic]

They know metal sonic made Eggman remember everything Eggman told them in the Zombat arc

[@videogollumer]

No, he didn't; Eggman doesn't even know that Metal Sonic did that Starline didn't mention it to him at all; he took all of the credit!

[@andresmarrero8666]

It was so nice seeing the wannabe be put in his place. If Starline does come back I hope it won't be for a very long time. About Sonic, he is right. You should always show mercy unless you are given little choice otherwise and Sonic has always been on the side of life, freedom, and adventure. He is not responsible for the actions of those he spares. Just as Surge has the freedom to choose pointless destruction, Sonic has the freedom to choose to stop her. By ending a life he denies that person the opportunity to enjoy life, something that is antithetical to his very nature. Surge's "good argument" just boils down to blaming Sonic for the actions of other individuals. It is the classic and pitiful villain trope where the villain tries to guilt trip the hero by pinning all the blame and responsibility for the villain's actions onto the hero. This is of course a load of bull because it wasn't the hero that did all those terrible things, it was the villain who did it out of their own volition. Sonic is only responsible for his own actions and choices and that is why his response is so effective against Surge's "good argument". He spares others because he wants them to enjoy life, unlike Surge he does not pin responsibility on himself or anyone else for the actions of others. It is virtuous that Sonic acknowledges the sanctity of life of even the most vile.

[@remuslebeau6570]

Like with Batman and Joker

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

@@remuslebeau6570 ... Hehehe Ashura and Scourge

[@thomaslightwalker]

I realy like to see what happen whit surge in the moment she got a chaos emerald or the 7 emerals will be a brutal fight

[@ultracommander8368]

I’m kinda hoping surge and Kit become heroes lol

[@warthogpower7729]

I don't know why but I would like to see a imposter Knuckles too

[@pkmaxstar7039]

That would be so cool, but I wonder what animal they would be based on? Maybe something white like that glitche knuckles from knuckles chaotix?

[@warthogpower7729]

@@pkmaxstar7039 oh man that just gives me goosebumps😊😊😊

[@RealBroccoliHour]

AMON

[@maximoomega3691]

Technically speaking even though he isn't an imposter version of knuckles Starline is a monotreme just like knuckles

[@warthogpower7729]

@@maximoomega3691 that is true I guess I just want some more trios or 4 team groups

[@ChaddyFantome]

I didn't really get an "evenly matched" impression from the fight. it looked utterly onesided the entire time. Surge never even gets a clear shot in at him.

[@eramferguson1701]

This milestone issue trumps the recent Dragon Ball Super manga chapter.

[@SonicMania2099]

Hey MegaBeatMan! I don't think Sonic will ever change his code, and also, if Surge is based on 17 & 18, don't expect her to be a villain forever, and Kit will likely join the heroes by Issue 52

[@janaguirre4756]

I like how everyone is telling sonic to just get rid of Eggman and other villans and sonic says No It's almost like sonic is the soul of every sonic fan and all the characters are tired of fighting the same battles. They want to rest but if there's rest there's no sonic world. Maybe at the end of the comics, sonic just let's it happen or he disappears

[@justynhill4814]

Yet he was completely fine with Eggman being the Tinker.

[@lexxanderbelmomt2001]

You are right in a extent but in a way that's how sonic is, no matter what the hero dilemma is always a problem like giving villains a second chance but that's not really a problem anyway sonic gives people their own choices to do and sure there are some hypocrisies there but which moral doesn't? If anything if sonic would just kill eggman or anything that would make him the opposite of who he is and that would be hypocrisies by default no matter what if sonic gives eggman a second chance or get rid of him for good there is also hypocrisy in either way and I think that sonic understands that

[@videogollumer]

You DO realize that Sonic can change his way of thinking; that doesn't make him a hypocrite.

[@justynhill4814]

@@videogollumer- no but it does make all his years of his beliefs in joke.

[@lexxanderbelmomt2001]

@@justynhill4814 like I said most morals have hypocrisies because their not perfect

[@duelmastershideout278]

Hey what mix do you use and how do you make it sound good?

[@jospehpenn3033]

Eggman man truely is the most justified one or at the least the one that should have the mos pre precautions against him "But no its just hey whatever happens happens" its weird they dont have to kill eggman. Maybe lock him up to where he'll never escape and he escapes anyways, people keep saying "its like the joker guys sonic cant live without eggman", which...is kinda boring cause thats the quality everyone hates about batman, and "oh sonic doesnt kill people" until you forget all the main and storybook games are cannon

[@justynhill4814]

Eggman literally put himself in a pocket dimension once that’s as best as prison that anyone can ask but he eventually found a way out.

[@eclipsez9108]

I was really disappointed. I know "experience" is the key lesson in why Surge and Kit lost, but I was hype for this fight (especially since most of Sonic's other enemies had more of a fight in this series and others.). Also, Sonic's arrogance is just...well, it's Sonic so idk why I'm even trying. In this fight, I was not rooting for him at all, which is really cool a writer can make you want the villains to win. I was really rooting for Kit and Surge. Kit was doing a great job before he ran out of water, he just needs therapy. They both do. Also, it was interesting to see that Tails isn't much of a fighter here. Sonic and he has different methods of decommissioning their foes...Idk, the way that panel of Sonic being above Surge, morally the symbolism is correct it also felt sinister and wrong (maybe due to the view being from Surge's view?). I don't think it's right that Surge wants the world to burn btw, I love her, but if I was Sonic, yes I'd put a stop to her. Just chalking her up as just another villian, I guess after decades of doing this it'd be inevitable, but still, if he's "experienced" he'd pay attention to Surge's emotional state and know not to make light of the situation. UGH. But when Surge introduced herself and put Sonic on blast for his run, beat up, let villains go, repeat, I was like "OOOOOH! ROASTED!" That was awesome.

[@goliath1785]

Insert electros theme for surge

[@lexxanderbelmomt2001]

You know I just realized that whole situation with Mr tinker would have been worse either way like for example if they took mr tinker(aka eggman) to prison starline would have found him there and then it would be the same situation with the metal virus since back then they didn't know anything about starline or what he was up to plus what we see in bad guys starline is good at breaking into prison even without the tri core glove and the other option is that if they killed Mr tinker starline would have found out about the metal virus anytime soon orbot and qubot was with him no matter what happens the situation would have lead to the same thing

[@videogollumer]

You just realized wrong! Had Sonic never released Metal Sonic, which was a stupid idea to begin with, Sonic could have saved Mr. Tinker!

[@lexxanderbelmomt2001]

@@videogollumer even if that's true how do we know anything else would have triggered eggman memories? What made metal sonic the trigger in the first place?

[@videogollumer]

@@lexxanderbelmomt2001 Isn't it obvious? Metal Sonic is what Eggman considers his greatest creation. Metal is a reflection of Eggman's Ego and all that he stands for. Nothing could have reminded him of those things other than Metal Sonic himself!

[@lexxanderbelmomt2001]

@@videogollumer nothing at all? What about his other greatest creations?

[@videogollumer]

@@lexxanderbelmomt2001 Which are...?