Ranking All Fire Emblem Lords in 80 minutes

[@Sector4AQA]

Lords analysis timestamps: 3:57 Marth FE1 7:03 Marth FE3 9:15 Alm FE2 and Alm Echoes 13:43 Celica FE2 and Celica Echoes 18:11 Sigurd 20:35 Seliph 23:51 Leif 29:35 Roy 34:06 Hector 36:40 Lyn and Eliwood 40:17 Eirika 42:55 Forde (ugh) (no analysis, just literally Forde (ugh)) 44:10 Roy reposition 44:54 Ephraim 48:16 Ike (PoR) 52:02 Ike (RD) 55:55 Micaiah 59:53 Marth SD 1:04:38 Marth FE12 1:07:06 Chrom 1:09:42 Corrin 1:13:18 Edelgard 1:17:04 Dimitri 1:18:39 Claude

[@The_Evening_Sun]

Ok but you forgot to take into consideration the fact that Sigurd falls off hard after chapter 5.

[@vinnievu1]

Ooh, that's quite a burn.

[@Psyche_Up]

@@vinnievu1 YOOOOO

[@Eagle_SFM]

Too soon

[@bigliability8283]

@@Eagle_SFMit’s been 28 years man

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

​@@bigliability8283yeah, that's probably longer than Sigurd lived

[@karmamoment]

being consulted as a gaiden expert has forced me to reevaluate the decisions in my life that brought me to this point

[@FlyingTurtle776]

I like your pfp!

[@MythrilZenith]

Hey Gaiden is a good game lol

[@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa]

Aaa your pfp is so pretty

[@PeevedLatias]

You're welcome

[@Mialentia]

Seconding all the pfp comments. Trans rights baby

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

Fun thing: when I played fe1 for the first time I diddnt use marth after the first few chapters. Which meant my only way to kill medeus was to keep chipping him, getting 1 exp each time, until marth levelled up strength twice which gave him just enough damage so that medeus couldn't heal off all the damage he did. This collectively took well over 250 turns

[@no64256]

Did you not have anyone else who could damage Medeus?

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

@@no64256 not really. Tried as many as I could think of and no one did damage.

[@lordlouie3550]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 The only way to deal damage without Marth is to have a capped strength unit use one of the following- Devil Axe Devil Sword (requires a lot of effort) Gradivus Mercurius (which is a Marth prf in this game) Firestone (good luck with that) Everything else dings him or is negated, including all 2 range attacks.

[@sadaharuthedog7105]

I couldn't get the falcion because I didn't beat a unit on the chapter where you get the parts. Lucky I could grind in the arena infinity because I was playing the switch version and I was able to win with the glavinous

[@islandboy9381]

NOW THATS S T R A T E G Y

[@tuvillo]

Lyn being stuck at 1 range with low ATK is a boon! She can’t suffer from success as easily! Leave me alone I’ve been in denial for 15 years and I’ll continue for 15 more.

[@Elite_Teach]

Until they change her in the remakes

[@AriaFromMahabre]

@@Elite_Teach They better give her a horse/7 move on promotion. And change the Sol Katti.

[@Elite_Teach]

@@AriaFromMahabre maybe even a bow

[@dmas7749]

if you ask me, her crit animation bumps her up AT LEAST half a tier

[@nightwish1453]

@@Elite_Teach a potential FE6 remake they could reintroduce her and make her overpowered

[@SimpleReally]

"this guy has extremely high base stats, high growth, counters most of the enemies in the game and is a killing machine from start to finish" B tier

[@madwaltz9812]

I find the comparison of Roy and PoR Ike to be fascinating, because it is true that they are very similar. Both are sword locked units that are very mediocre in the mid-game. And yet, most players experiencing FE6 for the first time regard Roy as garbage, while most experiencing FE9 for the first time regard Ike as being busted. And I think it's interesting to analyze why that might happen. In addition to the actual reasons Ike is better than Roy that Mekkah mentions, I think there are some other reasons he makes a stronger impression. To be clear, none of this is meant to be arguments about actual utility, it's more looking at it from a "unit-feel" kind of perspective. For one, FE9 encourages you to train Ike in the early chapters a lot more than FE6 encourages training Roy. In FE6, you always have Lance and Allen, who other than using the Rapier, generally can do anything Roy can do and often do it better. They're easier to use than Roy, and good units to feed exp to. Whereas in FE9, Ike is your only earlygame sword user. The other earlygame units it might make sense to feed exp to like Oscar and Boyd aren't always around, because you don't have control of deployment in the early chapters of FE9 -- in chapter 3, for instance, you are locked to Ike, Titania, Shinon, and Gatrie, so Ike is the only one you particularly care about leveling in that chapter. And Ike is around for all the early chapters. This gives him more chances to get exp than other units, and also encourages feeding him on the logic of "well, I know I'm always going to have Ike for every chapter." It's also this logic that I think makes most players give him the Angelic robe you get in Chapter 1. Even the narrative feels like it's encouraging you to train Ike, portraying him as a fledgling swordsman with a lot of potential. For two, there's a weird thing where swords are good in FE6, but awful in FE9. You'd think that would be a point against Ike, but it's more complicated than that. The obvious characters to compare Ike to in PoR are the other sword locked units in the game. And of those...Mia is really bad, Zihark is very mediocre, and Stefan doesn't exist unless you're using a strategy guide. Even Makalov, with his mount and access to the Knight Ward, feels very underwhelming. The only really good unit that uses swords in PoR is Tanith, but she's also got A rank Lances to use too. Swords are just really bad in FE9, but it tends to give Ike a pseudo-monopoly on them. Weapons like the Laguz Slayer can end up feeling like Ike's personal weapons, and it makes Ike feel like he has more of niche when he's the only one with weapon triangle against certain units. And if you do end up using other sword units like Mia, then that also can make Ike look good, because he'll often do a better job than her, depending on where you are in the game. Roy, meanwhile, compares badly to other sword-users in his game. Roy has to contend with comparisons to units like Rutger, Dieck, and the cavaliers. For three, there are various little reasons. Both the Ragnell and the Binding Blade are really good, but the fact that the Ragnell is infinite use means Ike gets a chance to obliterate everything in the last 2 chapters if you want him to. Roy has enough Binding Blade uses to get through the endgame chapters, but its limited uses means Roy can't really go ham with it the way Ike can, which makes him feel a lot more niche rather than busted. Especially since a decent number of uses tend to get used up just trying to train Roy as he's just promoted, whereas Ike is already probably leveled up. Ike can also get Aether, which while it isn't that amazing in the grand scheme of things, is cool, unique to him, and strictly better than other unique skills other classes get. It also makes solo'ing the endgame chapters with Ragnell much more brainless, since it allows Ike to self-heal against 1-range enemies. Ike also has access to bonus exp if the player ever feels like he's fallen behind (and he probably will around when he promotes), while Roy does not.

[@thomaswood8405]

I really think there's a lot more simple of an explanation for this. FE6 is just way harder than FE9. Players naturally want to train the MC, and FE9 is easy enough that if you stack Ike you can still clobber the game even with all of his downsides, while FE6 will absolutely punish you for it. You can solo FE9 with Ike. Can you solo FE6 with anyone?

[@madwaltz9812]

@@thomaswood8405 That's a good point; that's definitely a part of it too. But I think there's definitely more to it than just that. I've rarely ever seen anyone say that Eirika is a totally busted lord for instance, and I consider Sacred Stones and PoR to be of a fairly comparable difficulty. And speaking personally, when I played FE7 for the very first time as a total noob on the very easy Lyn Normal ---> Eliwood Normal mode, my impression was that Eliwood was bad, even though I trained him, which I think is a common new player impression. And while I doubt Roy can solo FE6 hard or even normal mode, I suspect he can carry significantly harder than most people think he can. I remember Raisins talking about his run where most of the good characters were not available to use, and some of the things he was saying Roy could do were pretty surprising. But I'm not really an expert on FE6, so maybe I'm off-base.

[@fillerpoint555]

You forgot to mention Lucia in the list of other sword units in FE9... But I don't blame you because everyone forgets about her :( And also more seriously, Lucia isn't worth thinking about as she might be competing with Rolf as the worst unit in the game, and possibly one of the worst units in the series. Though if we're also considering decent units with swords, I guess there's also Elincia, but she's more of a flying staff bot than anything else. But yeah, there's a lot of psychological factors that make PoR Ike a lot more palatable for the average player compared to Roy.

[@thomaswood8405]

@@madwaltz9812 Eliwood was considered bad for a long time, anyone remember Elisuss lmao?, but I think that's because new players latched on to Lyn as their main character. She was thought to be a good unit for a long time, and there's very clearly a lot of waifuism about her, even today. As for Eirika....idk she feels so anomalous. Even from a casual perspective, normal mode and full grinding, not many were on team Eirika. She was probably overshadowed by her brother who is a very powerful unit on his own. I don't recall Eirika being weak to be a very loud opinion at least. It's not like we didn't have our own share of bad SS takes at the time either. L'arachel being top tier I remember was quite the common opinion.

[@Shalakor]

@@thomaswood8405 L'Arachel is still top tier ...in the category of midgame growth units you have to go out of your way to train. Plus, having a unit that can effectively serve both as comic relief and serious emotional support role from a story perspective is pretty hard to come by in the majority of Fire Emblem games. Or games in general. More common in other media. I don't know why I decided to make this comment anymore.

[@marmotbro4673]

As someone who played a lot of awakening , Chrom is in a pretty funny spot. He is a pretty decent lord by himself, but he is stuck in arguably the most broken fire emblem game. A "very good" unit like chrom gets overshadowed by Robin at the get-go, and later on gets overshadowed by whatever units you decided to give galeforce to.

[@nightwish1453]

even then Chrom still stands strong even without galeforce as a nice pairup bot with the duel skills (goes so well with Sumia or a any wife with duel guard and galeforce) male robin ends up in a similar spot with full optimizing for apotheosis and when the children become completely busted

[@Sector4AQA]

"Last"? How could you forget the prepomote unit that isn't promoted but joins at level 10 during the early game with decent growths but mediocre movement archetype Tier List!1!1!1!?1?1?1?😠

[@bfbbturambar2369]

Deirdre moment

[@tutyss2191]

Nyx?

[@maagic2031]

also forgot the "guy who comes 2/3rds through the game and has good axe rank" tier list and the "cool guy who got a crit for me that one time" tier list. Mekkah really doesn't care about fire emblem.

[@OriginalRaisins]

Lyn is clearly the best lord in the series because she saves infinity turns in the prologue of fe7 and that category literally can't be beaten without her :)

[@leargamma4912]

I don't get it

[@4sety]

@@leargamma4912 Lyn is the only unit in the prologue so technically she is 100% necessary to beat the game.

[@yeasstt]

@@4sety only on a first playthrough. If you skip Lyn Mode, she's only force deployed on a couple of chaoters and you never need to use her

[@4sety]

@@yeasstt that's true lol, I didn't really think of that bc I always play Lyn Mode

[@fillerpoint555]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a WAIFU on Seliph at some point, because he's such an interesting unit to talk about. On the one hand yes, he's absolutely the best recipient of all the resources and exp in the game which makes him a god. On the other hand though... It's a very precise, specific build that requires advanced knowledge and preparation to get going. The casual, average player is not going to do that, which in turn brings his performance down. Hell, even if you do know about it, there's a good chance you just don't wanna do it because having Seliph slaughter chapter 6 by himself is really, REALLY boring and uninteresting. I feel like it'd be interesting to analyse him in both contexts, both with all the favouritism and without.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

The thing is that Sigurd is head and shoulders above any other character in gen 1 and he just kills every boss and enemy, which leads into him getting more resources and is the best user of weapins like the brave sword. So, Seliph not getting a ton of rings and weapons already implies not playing optimally

[@wannabecinnabon]

@@vanjagalovic3621 It's not like Gen 1 doesn't have any other useful units, though. Lex and whoever gets the Brave Lance will also absolutely kill stuff dead. Siggy's unquestionably the best but I wouldn't say he naturally gets everything Seliph needs just by killing stuff, you kind of need to go out of your way to make sure he ends up with the Paragon Ring and Leg Ring. (Leg Ring in particular is dropped by a boss on the other side of the map of the last castle he seized...)

[@14bj337]

@@vanjagalovic3621 Depends on what you're going for "optimally". If you're doing a ranked run, then you don't want Sigurd getting all the kills, because you need to spread the experience around. Sigurd is still an excellent unit in such a context, but "pseudo-Sigurd-solo" just isn't an option. Finn (with the Brave Lance) and Quan (with the Silver Lance) tend to have the easiest time getting the Paragon Band, too, although Sigurd can buy it off of him. Also something like "Sigurd buying the Knight Ring" makes no sense for players who don't know what's coming, because it gives him zero immediate benefit.

[@lukemastin8978]

Idk if I just love the story to fe4 so much but I’ll never get tired of making seliph a badass to get revenge for his father

[@winsonzhu4427]

@@14bj337 I also wished he considered a ranked run a bit more, because in Fe7, you really want to level your lords to a combined level 50 in order to fight Linus instead of Lloyd in four fanged offensive (no fog of war, more straightfoward map, far better recruitable unit, higher turns allotted). I mean the fe7 lords still kinda get screwed because they cost double to promote, but Hector/Eliwood are decent units in their own right and can help out with exp requirements instead of being force-deployed level 20s.

[@mutegamingstuff9120]

It's kind of funny when you realize that every lord from fe6-10's prf is just rapier but sometimes it's not a rapier or not a sword.

[@Mekkkah]

fergus is the lord of fe5 change my mind

[@frostbite_1244]

@@Mekkkah light brand is superior in every way, magic DMG at 1-2 range is where it's at.

[@tellierbop]

Based

[@funninoriginal6054]

Rapier tier list when

[@KWHere2]

I mean what isn't? Light Brand? Alm gets Royal Sword but that's like 3/4ths in iirc. Oh, Mercurius in fe1. That's kind of an in-between prf between rapier and falchion. Ettard. Ettard isn't effective against anything. Yeah no, everything else before the super weapon is a rapier, iirc.

[@bfbbturambar2369]

"Last tier list" Wow, bow knight, sage and bishop erasure smh

[@EZog58]

I feel like Eirika is a weird one to judge because if you are going Ephraim route, I think she should be above Roy because the game takes out the worst part of using her and gives you a few free levels, potentially enough to easily promote her and get access to her pretty solid promoted class plus Sieglinde, like you mentioned. A barely touched Eirika gets a pretty good lategame all things considered, probably better than an untrained Roy would. I feel that they both have a support advantage so that balances them out - Eirika is just best off supporting Ephraim/Seth/Tana and they are all stellar units. On her route, though, she is a liability for longer and deserves her place above Eliwood in D. Just my thoughts, great vid! Edit: Lol you ended up somewhat agreeing with me, no complaints here!

[@evanherynk5863]

As a casual player, not being able to edit forced unit's starting position is super annoying. So I'm pretty sure that's universally disliked. They got rid of forced promotions and we can even promote most lords at will, so hopefully that's next.

[@singlereedenjoyer]

I think forced promotions are fine, so long as they happen at a reasonable time.

[@AriaFromMahabre]

@@singlereedenjoyer It's a bit hard to balance tho. Either you make it too soon and lots of player will have an underleved lord, or too late and you get a level 20 lord for 10 chapters lmao. I really prefer to have the choice. FE8 did it fine imo.

[@zordiark9673]

@@AriaFromMahabre FE7 sucked in that regard. Sitting on a Max Hector on chapter 15 isnt fun at all, since all other Axe users until then are plain bad or Marcus.

[@MadAtreides1]

​​@@zordiark9673oh they are not THAT bad if you make them use a bow (or give an axe to Oswin) XD

[@YOMIsaac]

I still love how these so often have Golden Sun music, profile avatar notwithstanding. Sakuraba Motoi is such a good composer, and I *love* all his work.

[@YOMIsaac]

Oh, also a good tier list to do.

[@ChoiceSnarf]

Yeah, Golden Sun and Dark Souls both have incredible music, and though I haven't played much of it, Tales of Symphonia has some pretty good music, too!

[@Pwrplus5]

@@ChoiceSnarf He also did Kid Icarus Uprising which you should check out if you haven't already

[@maagic2031]

Also, the SSBU remix of the FFVII theme which kinda makes me want to cry

[@Wizzkidwas]

I will always recommend listening to the Eternal Sonata soundtrack for some of Sakuraba's best works

[@iicyfyiicyfy4568]

Ill always recognize Golden Sun music anywhere. So GOATed

[@nitro5247]

The thing about Ike is that even though he’s not Titania, he does have solid bases in strength and speed, and good growths in speed and defense. If he gets like 2 Str and Spd, you just give him a steel sword and he starts clearing maps, even on hard mode

[@Ruisu07]

this i remember throwing him on that survive map by himself nad having him just solo protect the whole side like my ike always maxed spd and str and just killed everything like hes so strong

[@givecamichips]

Remake Leif should get either staves or light magic in promotion. Staves would make his FE4 Prince class more like Lachesis's Princess class and let him inherit properly from Ethlyn, but would just make him worse Nanna in Thracia (except for fatigue and supports), while Light magic would be a cool thing that like no one else in Thracia has a good use for, and would keep his Prince class offense-focused like I think they want, considering Nanna has healing covered and Leif's personality. It would be very easy to have August or Finn pull a Lightning time out of their ass. Plus it's like the Light Brand.

[@SharurFoF]

Okay but have you considered that FE9 Ike is pwnage incarnate

[@tklos9666]

I'm no FE8 expert, but I agree with others that Eirika is too low. Unlike Eliwood and Lyn she can actually do combat pretty well, especially early and late game. In Ephraim route she gets autolevels and as you said those the missed maps would be bad for her anyway. If anything she's worse in her own route but then she gets force deployed so any utility is free.

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

yea lyn basicly a sword master if anything she could be c or b tier lol. and sword masters are popular

[@jumpy23]

Post rejoin Eirika is almost completely useless in Eph route except for her free final deployment + good deployment slot to do canto shenanigans. The autolevels are super insufficient for combat, and she never NEEDS to do combat because she isn't force deployed. Eirika route Eirika is at least a little better, but it still doesn't feel right to have her in Hector tier.

[@supervolcanobladerharris131]

@@jumpy23 You act as if the mid and end game are the only parts that matter. Remember that she can actually contribute better then your other non-Seth units at the beginning of the game for some time and use a Rapier(which isn't as useful later however it has enough uses for you to use it constantly). Even with her miserable mid game she can still actually contribute for more then half the game. Also saying that Eirika doesn't need to be deployed so her combat increase doesn't matter is like ranking all characters low in sacred stones due to how they steal exp for Seth to solo the entire game.

[@huntersmith1413]

@@supervolcanobladerharris131 How can she contribute better than franz, garcia, vanessa, christmas cavs, and moulder?

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

@@huntersmith1413 more speed than Garcia or Franz, better early game weapon type than Vanessa, probably better stats than her for a while, more availability than christmas cavs, can fight unlike Moulder

[@orange6259]

Say it with me everybody, “S STANDS FOR SIGURD!”

[@fishyfinthing8854]

S

[@DAN-gf3qx]

i love Erika because she doesnt need to compete with the rest of your units to be good, she doesnt take a deployment slot, she has two really good personal weapons thanks to the rapier and the sieglinde so there is no need to buy her extra weapons, and she makes some of your best units even better thanks to her supports, mainly sett and ephraim. if you go Erika route you get another rapier, so there is no reason to save the first one, and if you go Ephraim she literally levels herself up, is like and anti-jagen, she CREATES EXP, what i like to do is to use her to weaken enemies in the earlygame and give the kills to other units like vanessa, and then go Ephraim route and let the auto levels do their thing.

[@Handles_be_dumb]

This is purely personal, but I find the auto-levelling still leaves her MUCH weaker than everyone else when she rejoins.

[@DAN-gf3qx]

@@Handles_be_dumb i am pretty sure the auto level is random, sometimes gets bless, sometimes she is trash

[@Felixr2]

'The only bow lord we have on here, unless we count Alm' I guess it makes sense to assume Lyn will never promote.

[@fishyfinthing8854]

I would like to see a dance lord, priest lord and flying lord as well.

[@antoinemonin1171]

@@fishyfinthing8854 Actualy, Promoted Claude is a flywing Lord. And Micaiah can be considered as a priest Lord with high magic late game, since she's to squishy to survive most of physical attacks (she's my main healer on the last act)

[@maximeminassian6002]

@@fishyfinthing8854 a dancer lord would probably be way too broken

[@Patrickveech25]

Great content here, thank you for making this! Love the golden sun & TLA background music on these videos Mekkah!!!

[@blademasterfe2227]

My general experience with Awakening "tiering" is that it's only done in hard mode since lunatic mode can be too intimidating for people and most people want to avoid it/not play it without using the most cheesy strategies. I only discovered my new favored clear for chapter 2 lunatic after replaying Awakening a bit when you did your recent LP, and it was a method I hadn't seen before in the past. As such, I generally tend to think the awakening meta isn't very well developed beyond Avatar OP, Frederick, Nosferatu, Nowi/Panne, Galeforce, rescue and second seals good. Of course, I'm pretty rusty in my knowledge of the game as well. Either way, I'd say Chrom could go in A or B tier. He's better used as Pair up fodder in most cases, to the point where I'd argue optimal play is that he's largely only used as pair up fodder for Robin, as he'll let units hit doubling thresholds they might otherwise miss early on or let the unit in question become an unkillable juggernaut like Robin does(though that isn't completely unique to Chrom), but his effective weapons can also really help him pack a punch in early game. Being able to second seal into cavalier is also nice. His usefulness can also depend on what replay bonuses you allow yourself to use, but I generally think the biggest flaw he has as a combat unit is that his HP can feel kinda low. Otherwise, like almost any awakening unit, give him enough exp and he'll be more than good to go.

[@ultrose7379]

I think chrom’s hp is fine it’s average for an awakening character so 85% his biggest issue is that he’s just such a good support unit with his access to cav which has 2 great support skills along with his dual atk+ is pretty strong. Honestly a better support unit then Olivia. I would say I’m comparison to the other top units on this list he’s A tier but I would say he’s S in awakening because he’s got really good support abilities

[@Juan-zs6jt]

Awakening meta has nowhere to go, Robin + Rescueskipping is superior to any other strategy that you can think of.

[@ultrose7379]

@@Juan-zs6jt honestly I think something that would be interesting would be male Robin ltcs, he’s just such a different (and much worse) beast then female Robin from not getting s support with chrom, galeforce, no Robin!lucina and male Morgan with galeforce inheritance. We would have to figure out his best pair (I’m guessing either sumia or Cordelia, I’m leaning towards Cordelia) there is just a lot of interring possibilities here, or Robin less meta would be cool too but yeah female Robin meta has gone as far as it can

[@nightwish1453]

@@ultrose7379 it's more just female robin is more an offense unit and male is support, male robin has some quirks like being able to get a more solid set of children characters to add to your team with little effort as well as 2 morgans allowing more fleixbilty (of course pick a wife that has a child come in on a good chapter and can join early on). Robin!Lucina I find overrated as she is still pretty good with a few other mothers like sumia but also she has acess to a good enough list of skills to use that trying to add the benefits of robin makes her a bit bloated

[@ultrose7379]

@@nightwish1453 your right in that if you compared all the full potential of kids that lucina has the least to gain from Robin since sumia!lucina is also quite strong but the other kids don’t have the quirks that make Robin lucina so great, at least in an ltc. In an ltc or just playing the game with very few pit stops you don’t get any kids who aren’t named lucina and Morgan. Part of what makes Robin so great is the ability to completely overlevel without any grinding very quickly due to veteran. So Robin can grab any skills they want quickly right? Robin!Lucina doesn’t only just get the pick of any skills she wants (optimal galeforce and it’s not that tough due to how fast robin levels with the high exp floor) also due to the overleveling lucina gets huge bases (like any of robins kids) which she won’t have without more grinding for sumia and tons of grinding for maribelle and Olivia. She’s the only kid you get in the main story which is great when your trying to go fast, and this leans into why chrom s support is so great, it’s not only chrom is a great support unit, he’s the earliest s rank with the easiest to access child so it’s a marriage of connivence since you never lose your great support partner to build support with someone else and you get the earliest kid so it’s a win win. Male Robin struggles in that his earliest option In lissa is that her kid is on valm (same issue goes for sumia) so the best options would probably be sully, and Cordelia. Which isn’t exactly much variety. And Cordelia has the issue with how servera’s chapter plays so it would probably be silly who you would go for and she def isn’t getting galeforce inheritance so she has to get it on her own. And I also wouldn’t call male robin more of a support unit compared to female robin. Robin is the best lead bar their kids for a main story playthrough and if you did focus on making them support units female robin would still be better then him thanks to better support skill and support class across with dual support plus, rally movement and falcon knight and Valkyrie. Male robin just doesn’t either roles as well has female robin, he ends up being support more because he doesn’t do offense as well and he wants his wife to get galeforce if she has access to it. Obviously if you don’t care about speed then most of this doesn’t matter but with speed in mind she beats male Robin in every aspect. I’m not saying make robin is bad by any means as he’s still the best unit in awakening when you choose him instead of female. but he works a lot differently and slower then female

[@marf2953]

Something I realized is Micaiah is pretty good with wrath or resolve. She can use sacrifice to get herself down to 30% without being put in danger and it's not that big a difference because she often dies from one round of combat anyway

[@absoul112]

I want to try that the next time I play RD.

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

It's fine. Not amazing, but fine.

[@lagg1e]

Wrath + Resolve is the same cookie cutter stuff as "just use warp staff". Legitimately it's a combo that competes with Adept+Luna+Sol(the aether skill).

[@damianiscringe1082]

Sadly radiant dawn wrath is worse than path of radiance wrath but that still sounds good

[@garret4075]

Mekkah how could you rate Ike in C tier when he is pwnage incarnate?

[@ivanbluecool]

I found Hector a beast when playing his game. Would place him higher myself as lance units are annoying to fight. Sigurd be both jagen and mc at the same time. Coarse he would be at the top.

[@louc.6735]

Only downside to hector is that he's not great late in the big maps, but I find him to be a really reliable early game unit. Wolf Beil saves me a lot.

[@orange6259]

Hector’s main flaw is movement sadly he just can’t keep up in high speed missions, in contrast Sigurd really falls off after chapter 5 basically unusable smh.

[@arman_llc624]

@@orange6259 that man Sigurd got violated. Got betrayed and killed in front of his wife who now has a relationship with her brother. He took the fattest L imaginable

[@fishyfinthing8854]

Sigurd is one of the most OP lord in the series. He can beat half of the game by himself, fast, strong, pre-promoted, no babysitting required. Also his son, damn! That son of Sigurd, he just as good as his dad minus the horse before promotion. But there's no item or chapter requirement to promote so Seliph will just get his horse in no time.

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

Hector is pretty good, but he really doesn't do much past dragon's gate

[@OmegaTyrant]

Something not mentioned with FE11 Marth is that he faces perpetual weapon triangle disadvantage by being sword-locked (which didn't exist in the original Shadow Dragon), given the majority of the enemies are lance users and axe users go nearly extinct after chapter 4. So he often doesn't get to utilize the crucial might bonuses he gets from his Sword weapon rank, while after the first few chapters he can basically never nullify the enemies' weapon rank bonuses (which with all enemies having A weapon rank on Hard 5, being able to nullify those bonuses can often mean being able to take another hit).

[@leargamma4912]

It's unfortunate, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

[@Xino1217]

The Golden Sun music is making me really happy :)

[@codester269]

In regards to Chrom's placement I think it just comes down to whether Hard or Lunatic is the assumed difficulty. I think in Hard mode it would be fair to put him on one side or the other of Alm.

[@leargamma4912]

And you can promote Chrom with a master seal, can't you?

[@alyssasalmon4883]

@@leargamma4912yeah, though there’s probably other characters you’d rather promote first

[@osaydhussein258]

Ahh the golden sun music chills sooo many chills

[@nitro5247]

I am so happy you’re back

[@ChompaGaming]

I feel like most lords are balanced around being good on normal difficulty. That’s the only way I can level capped lords for most of the game. On lower difficulties it’s probably really good

[@ChompaGaming]

*I can make sense out of a game being designed around having capped lords for most of the game

[@FullMetalXV]

knew I was in the right place when the Golden Sun music came on.

[@phoenixgemini42]

Chrom was a huge help in my lunatic playthrough. Early game he contributes pair-up speed that stops you from getting doubled and he can survive on his own when paired with Frederick. He also holds up well in Mid game with an S support pair-up. He does fall off in the late game, but honestly so does everyone not named Robin or his children

[@alexdrake90]

Loved the deep dive. Great content as usual Mekkah!

[@mikewazowski7024]

great premise and underrated video. Enjoyed the talks.

[@bo0ots427]

Good listings! Something fun for FE7 is the difference double vs triple effectiveness has in the game. It does marginally change how the early game lords can contribute. Hector gets better, Eliwood can be useful in supporting Hector and can hold his own a bit better in the Laus maps. Lyn can effectively take out enemies too, but she’s more likely to suffer from success if she’s choking a point. Although it could give her an edge in promoting first to allow for bow usage in the Vaida map against wyverns. I don’t think it would change their placements at all since combat is only part of what makes or breaks a unit. Still, fun to consider.

[@0MidnighttheDragon0]

I noticed you said this is going ot be your last ranknig video but one I don't think you've done yet is Villagers. I'd love to see your take on them!

[@mllhild]

RNG made my Lyn into a total monster that I would just trow forward and watch everything die.

[@mysticwater9056]

I would argue Roy is worse than lyn since his growths are worse and he’s in a much harder game where enemies do pose a serious threat.

[@moltz4866]

Byleth's considered Silver Snow's lord as far the devs are concerned, so you did miss one fella.

[@ioncavegrandma9256]

I thought that was Seteth

[@dwaynesmith8300]

@@ioncavegrandma9256 Considering Byleth's portrait is used on all the war forecast screens, there's probably more evidence for it being Byleth's role, but it's honestly up to interpretation

[@Aeivious]

It makes more sense than corrin tbh. Corrin is subject to a lot of player choice, byleth is static in how you start the game so I think it's a lot easier to list him.

[@4sety]

@@ioncavegrandma9256 Seteth dying isn't a game over.

[@yujiro424]

Chrobin is the one true lord in awakening for optimal play.

[@GrandAngel8000]

On my mark!

[@VanguardJohnson]

Does FE9 Ike not get point for contributing to fighting the final boss?

[@deadlypandaghost]

Just did an fe8 run yesterday. Erika route so didn't invest anything in Eiphrim at all. Lv15 forgot to send anyone to the bottom left corner to save him but he was fine. Just sat in the fort and soloed most of the bottom part of the map plus the turn 7 reinforcements. Actually hit lv20 by the end of it all and proceeded to be the boss killer for the rest of my run. Man is a beast.

[@JointSmok]

I am so proud that I instantly recognized the music :D

[@cloverraven]

First playthrough of Awakening Robin just died the whole time, then a switch flipped and it was my strongest unit all of a sudden by far. I didn’t do anything except a level or two. And I didn’t know nosferatu was a valued spell in the game.

[@ItsReiza]

This video deserves a like for just the bgm alone

[@williambudrow9508]

If i learned anything in this video, its just how hard golden sun music fuckin slaps 😂

[@michaelthex2684]

Ike from 10 should be in S because it compared to how all the other lords in the series, he is one of the strongest lords at this point. Haar should not be a factor at all comparing him to all the other lords.

[@ferintown6628]

Mekkah forgot the royal sword exists in echoes Double lion gaming has been forgotten

[@Mekkkah]

I don't think Double Lion is as good as Hunter's Volley. I go more in depth on that in other videos about Alm, such as SoV Tier List Review.

[@ferintown6628]

It definitely isn’t but it is very expensive to forge a full killer bow let alone multiple and alm gets royal sword before he promotes So before he can use bows his best option is to use the very powerful royal sword with a combat art that doubles Not saying he the best lord ever or whatever but man royal sword pretty good

[@xenofes2]

I'm fine with most of this list, but I really think FE9 Ike is way too low. FE9 doesn't demand 1-2 range as much as most FE games do, Ike promotes at a good point in the game, and he has actually good growths that will get good use even without bexp. I admit he doesn't have anything terribly special about him, but I think he deserves at least B tier. Definitely above Micaiah, who dies if you just look at her while holding a non-magic weapon.

[@ziegfeld4131]

Micaiah has heal spam and can Wrath + Resolve for free

[@xenofes2]

@@ziegfeld4131 Getting her into Wrath & Resolve range for free is all well and good, but then you're relying on dodge tanking to make any use of it on enemy phase, which is not reliable at all. You only really get to take advantage of it on player phase. Basically you're saying that one or two free crits with Micaiah on player phase, with her limited deployment, is better than everything Ike can contribute to in FE9.

[@selassieaspen9940]

​@@xenofes2 Ikr. Same with Ike in 9. Wrath Resolve to gimmicky and might get KO by the Black Knight, where Aether means you're not dying and Ragnell means you're def +5 and not getting critical.

[@Ravii697]

Yooooooo a Mekkah Golden Sun playthrough would be sick

[@reyesle6709]

On every one of my playthroughs of blazing blade, my lyn was blessed with strength and always had at least 15 strength before promotion. She had carried my team without a doubt

[@kai_824]

I think you heavily underrate Chrom,Having a personal that doesn't break, consistent effective damage to wyvern, and access to aether and paladin classes. Sure only one range for about 1/3 of the game but most players invest in the lord to begin with so he should be promoted by Gangrels chapter and after that you can access a whole lot more exp to use to get him to aether level then jjst reclass to paladin. Id bump Ephraim up to A and leave Chrom at Top of B. Or both in A with Chrom over him

[@Mekkkah]

I don't think Chrom's personal Falchion is that good. Other than when fighting wyverns/dragons it's worse than most other swords that he and others can use. Only in endgame does it become better than that. Low tier weapons breaking is a trivial problem. "Most players invest in the lord to begin with" isn't a great reason to motivate a unit's upward movement on an efficiency tier list.

[@kai_824]

@@Mekkkah Its not a Lyn situation though were the investment doesn't lead to a very good unit. Chrom can constantly be a good unit if not at the very least only a hard hitter at worst. And yeah its not all to great and late Ron it falls off but again its jjst a constant wyvern slayer if you need one. Even if we don't take his usage by most him and Robin are the units you are most always gonna invest in especially if we're talking higher difficulties

[@Bluzlbee]

It hurts me to see Erika that low, in my game it felt like her dodge rate was 90% and crit was a solid 1/4

[@donndragon7663]

I'd love to see a DLC tier list! Separating all the Echoes stuff since the tier 4 classes definitely feel low value compared to the extra side chapters with the Deliverence.

[@AriaFromMahabre]

Thank you so much for putting out all of these videos ! They helped me through long sleepless nights, and they're really informative and fun ! I hope that we'll see more of adjacent concepts :')

[@megaherky3294]

I felt seen when he mentioned making Larcei a carry unit and being really good. Mine had Lex as a dad and inherited the brave sword, so she kinda ran house for Gen 2 until the rest of my units caught up.

[@nintendosega100]

I’m surprised Claude isn’t the best 3H lord considering he has one of the best classes in the series. Guess that shows how insane the other two are with optimal builds.

[@louc.6735]

I think Path of Radiance Ike is usable early game, especially if his level-ups are good, but the issue with Ike in the mid+late game is that everything is dead by the time he gets there. Even with Ragnell, he's just too slow to get anywhere. The mounted units are just so strong. Even babying Astrid feels better than using Ike because the payoff for Astrid is just so much stronger. Makalov and Astrid can be babied and then turned into axe paladins, and then they can keep up with the slaughter. It's remedied a bit by being carried, but I feel he's not as durable as the paladins and fliers either, and swords aren't as good as axes, which only Marcia and Tanith can't use. But Marcia and Tanith can use lances, which are also better than swords. Hector also suffers a lot from not being able to catch up to the action, and that's kinda why I feel he's very similar to Ike. I think he's definitely stronger; I find Hector is extremely reliable early game. But carrying a promoted Hector around isn't easy. I think only Rath can do it promoted, and Rath is kinda meh. I think I'd rather use my mounted units offensively and use the rescue drop chains to keep Ninian up with the mounted units than have Hector on the front lines.

[@ferintown6628]

Bro on average Ike will be faster than the entire starting cast except mia What do you mean he’s slow If he’s slow then Oscar and boyd must be terrible because their averages speed is about 2-4 points slower than Ike

[@ferintown6628]

He’s faster than Titania, Kieran, Oscar, Boyd, titania, and jill on average

[@louc.6735]

@@ferintown6628 slow in terms of movement i meant! he only gets a little bit of Move, and my fliers and paladins really outpace him so the fighting is done by the time he gets to it. He's not a bad unit, I found him really reliable for early game, but once my paladins took off, I found it harder to find opportunities to use him because everyone else killed everything two turns before he got there. Boyd has the same issues; I used him a lot early game but found fewer opportunities to use him as my mounted units got stronger and the pace of my chapters sped up. If you're not using as many mounted units as I do, they'd probably shine a lot more. But I have a thing where I see horse, I go "need horse", and therefore I'm using a horse unit. It's been my preferred playstyle since the days where we thought Marcus was bad. I didn't care what anyone had to say, I liked Paladins because horse-mounted knights are COOL. But it does come at a huge detriment to my foot units.

[@louc.6735]

@@ferintown6628 no. he has 5 move for most of the game and 6 move later on. He doesn't get Canto either. They all get 8 move and canto. That's what I mean.

[@ferintown6628]

Or you could just give him 1 pair of boots to get him to 9 move when promoted Also at promo he has 7 which is like ok but 9 is paladin level and he’s prob the best candidate for it And even then you get 2 pairs of boots Or if you’re smart with rescuing you can drop him front lines easily because unlike the other lords he’s actually kinda Tanky Mine especially so

[@franciscodetonne4797]

Eirika is either low C or high D for me, but Ephraim is probably low A, not B. Eirika is definitely better than Roy, not being foot-locked the entire game, but the Binding Blade is 1-2 range. However, FE8 has secret shops that you can buy Wind Sword for her. Eirika with Killing Edge is pretty good, but not Franz good. She really needs her promotion. I feel like if the game gives Eirika the 15% Critical bonus, she would be strong with her quite high Speed, Luck and Skill growths.

[@Exlanadre]

I think it's kind of weird to rate Eliwood's performance as a lord in Hector Mode

[@WearingGoldluck]

I think you can argue that Alm in Echoes is S-Tier, as yes he slows down in Act 3 but he makes up for by getting the Royal Sword which has the Double Lion weapon art that just mashes nearly anything in his way. By the time I got to act 4 and Alm promoted he just started hammering everything, nothing could survive a player phase from him and very little could even survive enemy phase.

[@evanwhite5704]

couldn't figure out how to put lucina on there and marth is there how many times

[@Short_shorts15]

old vid i know but i think alm deserves S just because of killer bow/hunters volley, and access to provisions whenever as well as having double lion if someone else is using killer

[@opinionpaladin6007]

Finally. I wanted this tier list

[@TheWeastBeast]

Good idea to stash Hector in C which stands for “Clearly S Tier”. Smart man

[@usvidragonslayer3091]

Nice! Now this is a proper Fire Emblem lords teir list. Seeing BOTH verisons of Alm & Celica rank high in their respected teirs makes me super happy. Some ppl put Alm high and Celica low on their teir list bc they think Celica is a "bad lord" for trusting, and i'm using a Harry Potter referance for this, He Who Must Not Be Named and that is uncalled for in my opinion. The only gripe i had is seeing Eirika, Lyn, Roy and Eliwood on D teir but that's it.

[@Sonicfan640]

This tier list has nothing to do with them as characters.

[@usvidragonslayer3091]

@@Sonicfan640 i know

[@armads1988]

Considering the starting point on each game, Sigurd is just so much better than everyone else, it's unfair lol

[@4sety]

lmao starting mounted is nuts

[@ArchsageCanas]

Ah yes... Leif getting credit. Love seeing it. Most people pass on him for his shoddy bases, mediocre growths and late promotion. On paper, he's very bad but Thracia also has player characters as well as enemies with really low stats at the start but doesn't mean much. He's more durable than Lyn, Eliwood, Roy or PoR Ike due to his 22 HP. Enemy non axe users only do 8-10 damage and surviving 2 hits is quite good. His 60 use lightbrand is great even if he doesn't have magic (neither do enemies) but where Leif really shines is the Manster arch. The game resets back to lvl 1 enemies and characters but Leif will be ~6-8 depending how much use he got and this makes him one of the stronger characters. Sure, he's a few levels ahead but those missions are quite difficult and Leaf is there. Mid-game is fine as enemies come in greater quantity and less in quality, some supports and... that's it. He's not great but hey, he has his utility. Unlike Roy. I've played Binding Blade so much but it has to be a law of physics that he is mediocre at his best and useless at the worst spots. Unlike Eliwood, he faces axe users but it doesn't matter when they have 40 display hit and do 12 damage, effectively 2 shotting him. His rapier meets armours with really high defense and the cavaliers one wants to take out fast also mostly wield lances and Roy will also be stuck at around 80 display hit. His bases are pretty low... (his durability is the same as Shanna's) and 5 strength with swords is beyond bad. The most important growths in strength, speed and defense are 40/40/25, while he has good luck, skill and res... yay for that I guess? Roy's main problem is not the same shoddy stat/growth layout as Eliwood but more that the enemies are just so tough while other characters can still handle them quite well. Enemies usually bring 9 or 10 speed to the table when they don't wield lances and Roy is in this awkward spot where his speed is just low enough that he doesn't double but bringing strength to the table that need him to double for effective damage. The only time he performs well is when transitioning to the western island against all those pirates (luck actually does pull weight here!). But beyond this, he slows everyone down again. His late-late-LATE game is great. But with 20 uses on the binding blade, one has to use a silver sword and his performance when most units double while he doesn't, give flashbacks to the first couple chapters again. It's also when most units already carry the team so having another one is not needed. The manaketes are also really weak and so are the 2 (final)-bosses. He is a huge liability in the midgame that throw long range stuff at the player and those siege tomes hit really hard. As someone who played Radiant Dawn an unhealthy amount, I think the assessment of Micaiah is very accurate. Good staff bot but otherwise... thing is, she is very lop-sided on her growths. I don't think she should be trained past ~lvl 12. Magic is her only important stat. Speed will always remain terrible and so will be her endurance. Ike does surprise me though. He is as good of a combat unit as one could be in Radiant Dawn. 1-2 range, infinite use weapon somewhat early, good stats, good caps, good affinity, really solid base lvl/stats, good promotion timing... it's really just that Haar is so far ahead of everyone else. Not sure how much the presence of Haar should influence the rating of Ike as there is a major gap between him and most other units, much like there is between Haar and him. He doesn't carry the game as hard as Sigurd but I couldn't think of other units that perform better than him. Except for magic, nothing can really threaten him (and mages have been nerfed to the ground in RD) and it's not a very mobility reliant game, bar chapter 10 (with Elincia as green unit) where one really needs to move fast. Also... Celica in Gaiden really was about accuracy. May had no speed growth and only thunder magic (70% 1 RN accuracy, yay!) and Boey was also pretty mediocre with fire. Problem with mages in Gaiden was their really high promotion threshold at lvl 18 I think? Most classes promoteat around lvl 7, meaning that growths were more important for mages and thus, Celica was pretty alright with accurate magic.

[@EZog58]

Agreed on Ike, he should be S above the Marths. Haar may be better in Dawn but Haar is so overpowered he should just create his own SS tier there - the laguz royals, Jill and Ike shouldn't suffer for Haars success, they are all S tier units too.

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

dimitri battalion wrath battalion vantage lmao who even thought that would be a good idea

[@SharurFoF]

What does Claude do to stand out that puts him ahead of FE10 Ike, or into S-tier? He's a solid unit all the way through, but I don't think he does anything special enough to merit S-tier. Actually, more broadly, you have an unused E-tier and an overfull S-tier. I would think it would make sense to put the Marths and Claude into A tier, and then shift other units down as well, culminating in dropping some units into E-tier. While it's true that units like Lyn, Eliwood, or FE11 Marth aren't as bad as units like Sophia or Wendy, this they're the bottom of the barrel for lords, at least.

[@ziegfeld4131]

He flys and uses the best weapon type in 3 houses plus has the best personal weapon

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

@@ziegfeld4131 amyr is better

[@Blarglesnarfe]

Couldn't Zander and Ryoma be considered the Lords of Fates?

[@cloverraven]

Am I the only one who plays these games with almost exclusively 1-2 range weapons no matter how bad the might is? I just do whatever I can to make sure counters happen and only selectively use other weapons. Like my lords always have levinsword unless they have shit magic then it’s on my next swordsman. Hand axes and javelins all around until better weapons.

[@Aeivious]

As someone who's played radiant dawn an absurd amount,.I'd have to disagree with your assessment of Micaiah. Her biggest glaring issue is authority stars, she is probably the only leader in the entire game where you feel the pain of authority stars. On top of that I find her mostly useless in part three outside of a physic staff bot. She can hardly participate in two of them and the third it's safer to not attack with her for risk of other units suffering from success. Part 4 is even more so, she's behind, and fragile rittled with enemies who want nothing more than to snipe her. While she clearly has her uses and is one of my favorite lords (mainly because I'm a sucker for the dawn brigade) I feel like she suffers too harshly and is often times a detriment to your party, where as other lords aren't as much so.

[@damianwilliams7084]

i have never felt like ike was weak in a path of radiance playthrough

[@catman9222]

I don't think it's possible for Ike to do over 5 damage to Ashnard without skill procts or a crit.

[@indecentthinking]

I would put every single lord above Roy, because he tends to be SO useless even against enemies he has the advantage against. His promotion is too late to help, and his stats nearly always skew poorly. Id rather have a team of Lyn and Eirika because at least they have more variety and utility (and better stats, usually) than him. Terrible lord. Never ever have had a good, valuable Roy.

[@pearljaime2]

Lol. Roy, Eliwood and Lyn are all D tier. Looks like a family portrait.

[@OkMakuTree]

Came for the Golden Sun ost, stayed for the tiering

[@salem1451]

Wdym other units can't use the silver sword? Ethlyn is literally right there 🙄

[@selassieaspen9940]

Having 2 ranges isn't that important in FE9. Especially considering that lot of chapters certain enemies that can turn Alies like Tauraneo, Jill and 20 others will make you kill them accidentally because of having 2 range weapon where no Ragnell Ike won't kill them by accident.

[@Memphis_ritz]

Best soundtrack you could ever pick. Golden Sun is my favorite game of all time.

[@kris8571]

I would say RD Ike is definitely S tier as I think the gap between Haar and Ike is frankly not that big. Ike isn't signficantly worse than Haar if at all. The only signficant advantage Haar really has over Ike is the ability to fly, which is very relevant for alot of Part 3 maps. However, Ike is objectively better from a combat perspective, since he doubles and one-rounds much more consistently in general while also being a better tank due to having more evasiveness. Even if Haar can also double, he still requires some form of investment to do so, and although it's not significant by any means, it doesn't really change the fact that he'll still end up with mediocre speed towards the end of the game, where he's moreso a filler unit at that point. The speed advantage Ike has over Haar can be just as relevant as Haar's ability to fly depending on the situation. Haar does have a few other advantages like being able to promote earlier and having access to axes and lances, but Ike still evens things out by having early access to Ragnell and also promoting at a reasonable point in the game. While I believe Haar is the best unit in Part 3, Ike isn't far behind in terms of relative performance either (still top 3 at worst) and ends up being the overall best unit towards the end of the game, even compared to laguz royals because they don't have access to 1-2 range. It's important to note that of all the lords on this list, RD Ike probably requires the least amount of investment (asides from maybe Sigurd). Iirc Dondon has even finished RD on 0% growths, and I've noticed how Ike is still essential yet more than useable as a single speedwing is enough for him to 1 v 1 the Black Knight. Barring movement, he's not really any different from Sigurd. Both have a combination of top-tier bases, fantastic availability, and incredible ceiling. RD also has a cast of 70+ characters, which is larger than most FE games, so Ike's competition with Haar isn't much of a detriment.

[@thequackoZ]

Seliph is hard to rate. While I agree with his rating fully. It always feels wrong to rate someone based on their performance with a heavy investment cost. In every other instance of rating, I always favor units with lower investment costs, even if the higher investment gives more results. An example would be Lex!Arthur vs Lewyn!Arthur. I favor Lex for the much lower investment with only a small utility tradeoff. But the "Seliph difference" (Trademarked) is that he is the lord. It's not like Arthur where while he is a carry, his contribution is not nearly as impactful as Seliph. Increasing his utility and strength is by far the best possible thing you can do, as it doesn't merely supply utility but is the entire driving point behind the game ending sooner. Fast Seliph = fast game. Simple as that. It's important to remember that the entire point behind investment is helping the game go along smoothly and quickly. And when the progress of the game is completely locked behind Seliph's movement. Nothing is more important to efficiency than that. Even if he had the worst combat in the game, getting him to promotion for the Mov bonus alone would be worth it.

[@thequackoZ]

I also hold to the belief that the FE4 meta is not as "solved" as we believed previously. Things such as Rescue Staff Lana for early Gen 2, Quick promotion Fury so she can warp Brigid back to base in Chapter 3, so you can actually obtain the Yewfelle in a manageable time frame. Not to mention now you have a promoted flyer, epic. There's also Res Tank Altena (Barrier Sword + Barrier Ring) so she is usable lategame, removing her one real weakness. Little strats like this were realized and used during my time in the Mekkah Discord over the last few years (I left about 7 months ago for reasons unrelated to the actual server, server is great last time I was there) but small concepts like that shifted units utility around a tier list. And I'm sure more strats are yet to be found that would alter a lot of how the game is tiered. Things could always change.

[@orkiso1]

Time to update with Alear, Alfred, Celine, Diamant, Alcryst, Ivy, Hortensia, Timerra and Fogado!

[@heizi-lyh]

I know u didnt ask for my opinion, but anyways. My rank would be: S: Alear / Diamant A: Alcryst / Ivy / Timerra B: Hortensia / Alfred / Celine C: Fogado

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

Sigurd and Adult Ike just steamroles everything in their path.

[@KoroaWasTaken]

No Shon ranking? riot.

[@blazekaizer9000]

Three houses lords in my experience. 1. Claude, bows are broken in 3H, his unique class gives him access to swords and has amazing speed and crit potential, couple with the mobility and bulkiness of Wyvern lord class and it makes it the strongest imo. 2. Dimitri, really bulky, crit machine, strong, good abilities and combat arts. 3. Edalgard also really bulky, lacks a bit in speed and mobility, as an armored unit she's weak to magic, but reclassifing her also does great

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

Claude is the strongest lord yes but not because of Barbarossa, it's actually worse than just going wyvern lord, give him dancer for sword avoid and you get the best avoid tank in the game because he's a perfect avoid tank that gets battalion wrath for free so no in map setup needed at all, he never gets hit and kills everything (maddening ofc)

[@cooperm4185]

Every class gets every weapon though? That's not special. Bows are broken, but Raging Storm is more so. Edelgard also just outstats the competition and has better boons and banes and class access thanks to being female. She's significantly better than the other two. Dimitri is also better than Claude

[@craigyeah1052]

Oh boy my favorite blue hair boys in C. Both for sure suffer from this being an efficient play tier list for sure though, great combat units, although Ike only is great with investment. Honestly surprised to see Eliwood so low with his access to horses, lances, and Durandal but I suppose he needs the investment too. Truly shocked to see Marth in S (and the only non-mounted S, but my memories of him are FE11 Marth, who ended up way down in D, what a huge drop off.

[@yetsumari]

If you don’t care about A rank tactics in FE4, and don’t mind the monotony, spam the slim sword on the final boss in Seliphs first chapter and he’ll be ready to promote right away the following chapter, when you’re ready to end the chapter pull out the silver sword and one round the poor SOB. Boom diet Sigurd.

[@t.j.8388]

I must have bad Eirika luck or something. Every time I play through SS, regardless of route or grinding, my Eirika gets the lowest Str imaginable. In my most recent Eirika route playthrough, I took her to 20 before promotion and then she finished around like level 6-7 in her promoted class. She had a Str of 9. Most useless character on my whole squad. I think the highest Str Eirika I ever had was 12. Meanwhile everyone else on my squad is like Str/Mag of 20+. I like her design and as a character, but she’s probably my least favorite lord explicitly because I can never count on her to actually kill anything. Really hype to see her double something with 30+ hp for 4 damage 2x

[@KuroiRenge]

Ephraim can and will solo the entire game once you get him. His stats and growth are stupid, his weapon is amazing, and he basically 1-rounds everything. He also starts at a higher level and gets to grind on a map for him to slaughter everything and get a ton of levels. He makes the game insanely easy.

[@lanalewis6982]

Ephraim getting higher than Hector is so funny. But I love Ephraim so I am glad he's in a decent tier.

[@DocTheDog]

At least the 3 houses leaders are D tier but Ike being A tier? I mean, you can do a solo run with him, Ike's S tier.

[@ianmckee4726]

Really makes you wonder who at IS thoufht it was a good idea to bring bsck dark matic in 10, give u a light mage as a lord, then proceed to nwver give her weapin triangle against a single enemy in the entire game. Jerrod and a bunch of his men shoukd have been shaman/Druids, maybe put in something about them trying to figure out Izukas feral one formula and dapating it for Beroc, using Daein cirizena from the labor camps as test subjects.

[@lukemastin8978]

In my experience Titania can like never double anyone. Her and Oscar and even haar sometimes can’t double. Ike in my opinion is your best most reliable unit by far

[@Mekkkah]

Titania on HM is definitely someone you have to make double, rather than someone who does double like Shinon, Mia and Ike. However between promotion, Speedwings and transfers, the means to do so are often right there, and the payoff is bigger than for most characters.

[@lukemastin8978]

@@Mekkkah whenever I play I usually use your strategy of feed Jill, so that’s where all my investment goes lol. Appreciate the response

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

@@lukemastin8978 Titania can use the knight ward though, and Jill can't

[@selassieaspen9940]

​@@Mekkkah Mia Can crit but still can't kill and the weapon triangle will need her up more than Ike. Ike has more hp and defense than her.

[@javoclean960]

If this is a RD discussion, I get you Luke, Titania has more issues doubling and with no weapon triangle, Ike is your best combat unit at that point and Mia is a couple of levels (or skills) from killing or at least avoiding everything. Ike, Mia and Shinnon if he had other than bows are maybe the best combat units in Hard mode, and with the structure some of the chapters have on Part 3, paired with perfect availability for them makes them insane. Titania can get there but for me it feels like it takes more effort than the previous trio, same with Oscar but when they get there they are very dangerous

[@ultrose7379]

This was a nice surprise, my friend and I just made a best units in the series/1-2 best units from each game and ranking them yesterday and I would say the only surprises to me were edelgard below corrin (raging storm is just that disgusting to me) and gaiden alm in A tho tbh don’t know enough about gaiden to say much and kinda have just been going off other people for that one but it makes sense. I personally think seliph is the third best unit in the series like if we made oifey or one of the other ch 1 kids or even had chapter 1 ares I think seliph still is by far the best due to his natural res allows him to fight mages and avoid sleep staves even when he doesn’t have tryfing equipped so he can have the light brand and murder the enemy army without worrying about those 1-2 range weapons siege weapons and staves . If seliph didn’t have so much res it would be much more important just so he would equip it to avoid those. and not kill them and I think that’s the biggest issue in a unit replacement theory.