Combining FE6 and FE7 Remakes is a Bad Idea

[@Mekkkah]

Double upload was an accident happening due to rescheduling, whoops. You'll get that video on another day. :) Thanks to ChicagoGreen for editing this one!

[@ViewtifulBeau]

Well it was good while it lasted. 😎✌

[@vashstarwind36]

I think you are the man & super cool & super smart. I'd like it all on one game, .. if it could be done well. Either is a win for me. FE7 has always been one of my favorite games ever. Remaking FE6 would be incredible for for me, because I've never played it much. I think I'm going to like the originals the best, always. The fact "they" are even remaking these games (and FE9 & 10) is the biggest win in my video game life. These are my favorite video games ever. I see you, Mangs, Chaz & Friends play older, FE games. I wish to play these games one day! At least I get to watch you guys play it! Anyways, .. Much Love @Mekkkah and friends, and keep up the great content @Mekkah !! ⚔️ 777

[@vashstarwind36]

Seperate is cool. It's cool that people who care and love these games are remaking them for their fans. Maybe they'll fix storyline issues. I freakin love FE 6, 7, 9 & 10!! They're my favorite games evveerrrr!!!!

[@CyclonSilver]

Too late! I have it saved and will reupload it all over KZbin mwahaha

[@purifiedst0rm]

You could remake the 2 games onto one disc & choice between both gonna. just like crash & spyro remakes

[@the_abadie]

Why combining two "Why combining two games in a remake is a bad idea" videos is a bad idea. -mekkah

[@Zeon081]

it's a pitfall

[@thebravegallade731]

-fe3 would like to know your location

[@xuanathan]

@@thebravegallade731 -fe1's cut chapters would like to know your location

[@EvilAngel4116]

Still a better idea than Feh pass.

[@EvilAngel4116]

@Nerfed Nosferatu I DID!!! It was awesome. I was in stream when it happened too I just don't think many people saw me

[@GatorRay]

Ending Heroes would be a better idea than Feh Pass.

[@urmom1294]

@@GatorRay But I spent so much money on it so it's a bad idea

[@GatorRay]

@@urmom1294 I DON'T CARE! The game is making less money year after year so it JUST MAKES SENSE!

[@urmom1294]

@@GatorRay I'll never pay on another mobile game if that happens

[@olimar1034]

I’ll stand by two separate remakes with a link feature would be the best option. You get the full attention on each game while also being able to connect their stories better

[@edgelord8337]

Agreed.

[@cams3879]

Definitely the best option for sure

[@CometX-ing]

Separating the two wouldn't serve any greater purpose other than risking one not being made due to potentially bad sales. Plus it;s not like making both games would take all that long since Fates came out 4 years after Awakening and that had 3 separate stories being told. There job is even easier here and they could just re-use assets for both games.

[@cams3879]

@@CometX-ing three seperate stories that were kinda meh all things considered. While a remake would take less lomg in theory do to not having to make a new story from scratch, i think its best they separate them so as to not make either of them feel too short if bundled together

[@cams3879]

@@CometX-ing plus it would give them the option of refining parts of gameplay for fe6 remake if they arent received as well in fe7

[@Mangs1337]

I mean come on, who would ever want to break up Pent & Louise's canonical marriage and insert their avatar as Louise’s new husband?

[@archeremiya3533]

My uncle works at nintendo and he said the avatar has a bald option in the combined remake of Fe6 and 7, wonder if Klein will inherit the avatar's hairline? lol

[@CosmicToad5000]

Archer EMIYA NOT MY BOY

[@Zebas436]

Something like Geneology, the player can't change that, it can work like a tutorial or something like that for the pairing system , but Pent and Louise are married obligatorily

[@altha201]

Thirsty new players or...

[@gameboyn64]

IGN. Not even joking. Fe echoes ign review: "my dreams of hooking up devil-may-care mercenary Saber with pious priestess Celica were dashed because there’s no marriage system"

[@darkstorm1212]

But Poisoned Mutton continuity, we need to know what happened to Dorcas!

[@edgelord8337]

They put poison and in his mutton.

[@Feraligono]

You find out in Heroes that he made a full recovery after the mutton incident.

[@Kryptnyt]

@@Feraligono There's no way Heroes is canon right

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@Kryptnyt Heroes told us how to pronounce Camus so it's pretty much cannon

[@galvamanreborn92]

@@Kryptnyt "poisoned mutton" is not canon either, unless shitty ads for old games count as lore

[@shadedhydra6674]

"Why not use a transfer system or something?" Yeah you've convinced me, that's literally all I want. Ideally all I want them to do is have FE7 come first so I can have some extra things like maybe change growths or classes of certain units and make Bartre way better oh and also to fix its story cause I believe it can be done, all the other things don't require anything to do with FE7 like just buffing bases and making Roy promote earlier at Arcadia or something.

[@luckyc4t110]

Hot take: Give Roy two promotions. One with a Knight or Hero Crest, and another when he gets the Sword of Seals.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@luckyc4t110 That would be cool but in that case you'd need to either make one of those two promotions bad so that Roy doesn't become OP or give everyone 2 promotions which would be bad since FE6 isn't balanced around 2 promotions

[@shadedhydra6674]

Lucky C4t Really just anything to make Roy better, I feel he does deserve it judging by how in lore he's a good fighter but in game he sucks until the end.

[@remaes4509]

@@shadedhydra6674 and in the end is basically the sword of seals being op

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@shadedhydra6674 I don't remember Roy being said to be a goid fighter, though he is pretty modest he himself says that he's not an amazing fighter. Most characters compliment his leadership skills and tactics instead of his fighti g prowess. Though I completely agree he should get buffed some way in the FE6 remake, if they kerp the balancing how it was in the original FE6 Roy only really needs slightly better growths and a earlyer promotion

[@tatripp]

"They're not finishing what their parents started." While playing on the map where they are continuing what their parents started.

[@lunaproc4913]

Oh boy, I can't wait for the remake to turn Lyn from a proud Sacaean Warrior to an Avatar obsessed maniac.

[@edgelord8337]

.......... *n o*

[@MakoShiruba]

So...exactly the same?

[@altha201]

*Zerk liked your comment*

[@edgelord8337]

@Silent Dawn ......... *n o*

[@veravera6571]

lyn was already like that smh

[@TheMadRedHatter]

Remember when I joked about Tellius remakes, and now Mangs is saying he thinks Tellius remakes are gonna be next? Man it sure would be something if they were combined into one game....

[@firenze6478]

I’d buy them Tellius is my favorite but I can’t get path of radiance because it’s too damn expensive.

[@Neonlight3934]

They only need a HD collection. Not a remake.

[@alexanderbaldwin1298]

If they’re gonna make remakes of both, they better release FE7 first, then FE6. I need that chronological order.

[@OneGamer2EnvyThemAll]

At this rate, he's gonna make a "Combining FE9 and FE10 Remakes is a Bad Idea".

[@jonathann.5754]

Combining FE11 and 12 Remakes is a Bad Idea" Oh wait

[@ReunionMana]

making remakes period is a bad idea, dont try me, i said what i said

[@OneGamer2EnvyThemAll]

@@ReunionMana "Yeah, Square should cancel FF7R because we all know how bad it's gonna be, given their track record for any game that takes years to come out."

[@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283]

@@ReunionMana I disagree, Firered and Leafgreen were necessary

[@tomasds1]

@@OneGamer2EnvyThemAll ff7r should me canceled to make a good ff6R for once

[@elji-w3k]

What are you talking about Mekkkah? If we remake the two together, we can have like 5 character pairings in FE7 affect a fraction of the units in FE6, obviously worth everything.

[@DaKrimch]

Personally I think every chapter of fe6 and FE7 should be remade into their own separate games to give the story the full attention it deserves

[@xacmashe3852]

@@DaKrimch I don't see how that remotely works.

[@phas9484]

Ah yes, what I always wanted, to pair Eliwood and Lyn to create the ultimate lord

[@scarletrose8766]

Black Hayate fan club except Roy exist so even if it goes the awakening route you still get Roy if they are going by cannon you can't force Eliwood to marry other person and would get the shitty lord lol

[@phas9484]

@@scarletrose8766 it was a joke, a jest; a quip, if you will

[@joshuaherrera358]

The first argument doesn't make a lot of sense. A project is budgeted according to the scope of it. A development company isn't going to accept a contract to make a game that is meant to represent the size to two games without the budget to go along with it. And even if somehow they did, it would be on the publisher to provide the second half of the contract insofar as handling payroll. To the development company, it is quite inconsequential if the publishers don't agree to finish the game because the developers are only going to work for what they are being payed for. It isn't necessarily uncommon for projects to be abandoned halfway through and a development studio has to be prepared for this either way. There are also advantages for merging two IPs like being able to retain directorship instead of having different lead designers from potentially two different companies that can make the games feel very different. The wait time thing is just flat wrong. There is no way it is easier or faster to negotiate two separate contracts than just one. Devs like big contracts. Its guaranteed work. The only advantages for releases two different title like your suggesting is being able to make use of some kind of technological advantage (like putting the second game on the latest console) or satiating the fan-base incrementally as you suggest. I don't think however, there is going to be an issue of coming short with new FE installations/remakes. So as far as it being "better" for developers. I think you are totally coming up short. I have other gripes but this is my main complaint.

[@ZygonCannar]

Yeah, it's like the main crux of his argument is that all games magically take the same amount of resources just by virtue of being video games. It really falls short.

[@Mekkkah]

@@ZygonCannar My other arguments don't lean on this one. They work seperately.

[@Mekkkah]

Let's say you're right and the process behind the production is more complicated than it looks. I don't think that negates my point that a dual remake costs more time and money to make than a single remake. Doesn't matter whether it's 1 or 2 production teams, the point is someone needs to pay people to put more time and effort into it. If the consumer pays for it, the game will be more expensive. I don't think the developer is going to pay the difference out of his own pocket. But it has to come from somewhere. If you make them as two games, you get an extra $60 per copy from the customer.

[@ZygonCannar]

​@@Mekkkah The point about the games aren't that connected? Sure, but that could be remedied. It's obvious FE7 was rushed out the door, but a remake could easily pull a SoV and design it better this time. The writing/scene team aren't going to be busy the entire development cycle, it might only add 33% to the time and 60% to the cost, because while FE6 is getting finalized, they can be working on FE7. Which brings me to my next point. The 'double time' argument as well. Not all teams are fully busy during the entire development process. If FE6 by itself would take 2 years, the art/model team might only take 18 months to brainstorm what the style would be, make the base textures, models, attack animations and map assets, and finalize them? Well, a majority of those could be reused, because unlike FE4+5, the games have a lot more overlap in setting and mechanics, it wouldn't just be 'double work', it might only take them 9 months to convert the work they already did into a whole second game. You also assume that sales would still be good for a single game, which might not be true, it might flop on launch due to people like me who don't see it as a value and I buy it used or on sale when it's more of the value I personally put it at. More value is something that puts fence sitters into action. Even if someone has never played FE6/7, if they heard about this remake, looked up the original and were like "Wait this game is only 10-15 hours long?", they might simply just pass on it. It's a lot more attractive to say. "Well it's two games, so it's actually 30 dollars each, that's a lot more reasonable" and suddenly you have sales you didn't have before.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@ZygonCannar Yes, but FE3 book one was MUCH shorter than FE6 and 7, yet IS still remade thosr books seperately so I don't see them remaking FE6 & 7 together instead of just adding extra chapters or something similar to those games seperately to be able to charge 60$ for them

[@DasBrot-5150]

I definitely think $60 is fair for two 20yr old Gameboy games whose story and lore are already existant to be combined into one cartridge

[@Bunnymafia8150]

Yes, back when making those games only required spritework and talking heads. Making both for 60 bucks a pop isn’t profitable for them at all when we expect full voice acting, fantastic music remasters, and beautiful graphics. This is more due to what it costs to make games though, not the length of the content, so I understand why you think that

[@printility9602]

But the video is about a combined remake. Not a re-release or virtual console, a full remake. Looking at what other remakes of fire emblem or pokemon games have done, this would probobly be rebuilt ground up with new assets, UI, and maybe even voice acted. Or at the very least, steal some assets from whatever the most resent game was.

[@Sentient_Blob]

I’m pretty sure storyboarding and balancing are by far the cheapest and fastest parts of making a video game compared to graphics and coding

[@gogobrasil7185]

"You cannot pay less and expect the same quality" Pretty sure the devs have a fixed salary, only investors are worried about gross profit... Even if they were so worried about money, they understand that lower price doesn't mean less money. It could translate into more sales. Pretty shit argument there mekkah other than that godspeed

[@dorcasmutton6335]

I said this in the last one. They could just make them two different games accessable by a menu. They did it with the Nonary Games bundle, and they can do it here.

[@jojodelacroix]

I still think that is technically remaking them together tbh.

[@appleando752]

@@jojodelacroix And outside of the price issue that he brings up (Which is flat out incorrect. Remaking 2 games in 1 cart would not cost $120, or double the dev time because of the Crash and Spyro Trilogy remakes costing $40). What is different about putting the two games in a "Book 1 and Book 2" format.

[@victikirby15]

If they remake both, as long as they keep some of the data transfer elements, I’ll be happy

[@SeraphimDragon]

A *REMAKE* can be done in such a way that with a few modifications (especially when combining a prequel to a sequel) that it won't ruin an overall story. So what if the parents and children faced different threats? Both threats were EQUALLY threatening to the continent of Elibe during their respective times. All it would take is some story telling polishing to fix that, and in regards to weapons being sealed up and discovered, that could also be fixed. Like, these are overlooked details to be sure when comparing the stories and timing, but a remake could easily patch this up and the Nintendo Switch Console should be capable of handling that load. Not only that, thanks to FE7's support endings, some endings suggest that the children in FE6 are directly related to specific or non-specific characters. Like Wolt, Rebecca's son, could've had 3 different dads based on 3 different traits. Boom, IS gets to keep the parent children, past to future, link trend that the fan base has come to have fun with as a feature all on its own (with the exception of cannon pairings like Pent and Louise, or Nino and Jaffar). Even the TACTICIAN in FE7 could easily be made out as Elibe's avatar choice. Whether or not that Avatar gets to continue into the events of FE6 could go either way in my mind tbh. I mean look at FE Gaiden, or Shadows of Valentia. They introduced ORIGINAL characters that had nothing to do with the original game, and it did absolutely nothing to hurt the integrity of the overall story. Hell, Berkut became a fan favorite (along with Rinea despite not really being relevant to anyone but Berkut). The potential is easily there and nowhere near as bad of an idea as I feel you make it out to be.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Well you'd need to rewrite FE6 or 7 for the story to work and like Mekkah said there's only really 4 shippable characters (5 if you count Lyn, but she isn't the confirmed mother of anyone) that have children that appear in FE6, so even if they do a transfer thing like they did in FE4 they wouldn't be able to transfer a lot of things besides skills and affinityes since FE6 wasn't balanced around children like FE4 was. It's just that combining FE6 & 7 is more work than it's worth. But if they do remake them together I hope you're ready for Lyn cameos, flashbacks and nonesense, lots of nonesense

[@krissjames7276]

Mangs at 10:48: "Is that like a personal attack or something?"

[@ZygonCannar]

Okay here is my counter argument. The originals were semi rushed GBA games with not that much content. (They came out only a year apart) 40 dollars on the 3ds was a more acceptable price point for a single old game remake. They will have to blow my socks off with a major overhaul to make me feel like 60 is worth it for a game that can be ran through in an afternoon. You really think people are going to buy a game that on a first playthrough has maybe 15 hours of content for 60 dollars after Three Houses hundreds of hours? You really think it will even take a quarter of Three Houses' budget to remake any of the GBA games? You assuming all games take the same size budget is a huge pitfall. Even back when GBA games were 30-40 dollars, they were worried about content value, so PoR/RD were much longer to account for their 60 dollar price tag. Those games are beefy enough to be stand alone releases. So I heavily disagree with you, it's not asking too much. I want value for my purchases.

[@namoma4922]

Interesting but a counter to that wouçd be how echoes was dpne. While it was a much older game with his own issues they did more than just applying luster on it: new desogn , new characters(fpr better or worse) cutscenes voice acting, balancing...) gba games are way less dated sure but if you are going to do a repake, it might as wrll be worth more than a 3d glow up

[@ZygonCannar]

@@namoma4922 Except Shadows was 40, so it actually isnt

[@CidAghast]

Im not sure why a "combined" remake cant just be like old game HD ports where they are separate games entirely except maybe some type of bonus for beating one like Fire Emblem Elibe Saga or Fire Emblem 6 and 7 HD Collection

[@lillrice27]

Exactly, they don’t need to be combined story wise

[@onosetaleokosun1889]

Yeah like Mother1+2

[@SnydeX9]

All I want is FE Echoes: Shadows of the Scouring

[@vineclawex8397]

What's this supposed to be? I'm confused ngl

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Make that series FE: Legends or something. Echoes is for remakes

[@Ash_Wen-li]

@@vineclawex8397 The Scouring is the War that took place hundreds of years before Binding Blade. It was between dragons and humans

[@The_Evening_Sun]

@@Ash_Wen-li Echoes has been used as a title for only one of the remakes so far. The FE1 remake just had it's name shortened to Shadow Dragon and the FE3 remake had the word New added to the title. So echoes really isn't a remake only title.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

@@The_Evening_Sun Fair point. But logically it makes sense to keep Echoes for remakes since an Echo is essentially a remake of a sound.

[@misterbadguy7325]

To be honest, one of my favorite little fan theories is that Cath is Matthew and Serra's kid. This is why Cath has Matthew's class and Serra's theme and personality.

[@Naluh]

Counter-argument. FE6 and FE7 use the same mechanics, map tiles, etc. The story it's already done, and They can be sold as one game, it's different to FE4 and FE5, that have very diverse gameplay between them. They do not need mix the games, or force a "parent-son" mechanic.

[@hansgretl1787]

-They can easily combine the games and still charge a reasonable price. The Crash N.sane trilogy had three games and was still at an average prize. -It really wouldn't take that long to remake one game when they're already done with the other. Remakes are inherently a lot faster to produce, especially with these two games. They still mostly hold up, so the changes would mostly come in the way of improved graphics and some minor tweaks in story and gameplay here or there. Combine that with the fact that they could reuse a lot of graphics and animations, and they could release them, if seperate, within half a year of each other. That means that the wait really wouldn't be increased all that much. On the contrary, releasing them seperately would make reused assets stick out a lot more and people would critisize it. They could make new assets at that point, but that would mean that we'd have to wait much longer, so seperating them doesn't really cut the waiting all that much. -Just because the stories aren't completely interwoven doesn't mean that there is no reason to combine them. Again, the N.sane trilogy. You could play each of those games seperately, yet they were combined. -In regards to story I can see your point. However, a lot of the problems of FE 7's narrative are rooted deep in the plot. We'd end up with either: •FE 7's story, mostly unchanged and still problematic. or: •A heavy rewrite to make it work. The thing is that I just don't see how either option would be made worse by combining the games. The plotholes would still be there in case of the first option. If they sell it seperately, it's still just as problematic. I'd honestly think it would be worse if they seperated them in an attempt to hide the problems in the story, kind of how FE 7 alteady tries to distract you as well. -They could combine them without the shipping. Honestly, I think most people don't really care about it anyway. They would just have FE 6 play out the way it already does, regardless of what you did in FE 7. I don't see why you make it sound like they couldn't do that. And a lot of these points aren't even an argument for why a combined remake "is a bad idea". You're really just trying to show why it would be less of "good idea", disregarding the benefits such as a much better consumer experience where you can get both games together instead of buying them seperately or the fact that the combination would take up much less space digitally, since all assets would otherwise have to be saved twice. My point is, I disagree. And thank you for everyone who suffered through that wall of text 👆

[@Dakotaidk]

Mekkah's disregarding practicality for his own made up scenario Does he really think IS isnt past doing a quick and easy 1:1 remake?

[@hansgretl1787]

@@Dakotaidk I don't think what IS is likely to do should even be a factor. He brought that up in the FE 4+5 video. I just think that, if you're discussing whether something "is a bad idea" or not, the likelihood of it happening shouldn't be part of the discussion. The only thing that should matter are the advantages and disadvantages of it.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@hansgretl1787 To be fair FE6 is one of the longer FE games and as Mekkah has pointed out in his other video IS has already split FE3 book 1 & 2 into two seperate games, so if IS could charge the players for two games they would absolutely do it. It's more likely to asume this than IS pulling an N. sane type of game because they've split games up in the past

[@msterforks]

FE6 is due for a major rehaul. It's broken and silly in so many different ways that balancing everything is a project of its own. It doesn't even have an official English translation yet. A relic of 2002 doesn't deserve to be rereleased in 2020 and beyond without big changes.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@msterforks I don't see FE6 as that broken compared to most FE games, you could say that Geneology is also a relic that doesn't have an official english translation as well, but many people still want that game remade

[@BladeMaster117]

This feels like a re-upload

[@jesfest]

What I find interesting, is that it is highly unlikely for them to leave the stories of both untouched. If they were to remake one, they'll probably remake both, and in reverse order, too. They will release 7 first, probably patch up the story, and allow some small changes to persist to the 6 remake, most likely modifier growths to Roy, for example. 6 would probably also get more story details and links with 7, making both more cohesive. So the plots for both would be worked on at the same time, and a lot of assets would most likely be reused between the two. Its not impossible to see a sub 1 year gap between the two games on that scenario. While I agree that having it in 1 cartridge is just bad, a short wait between releases, alongside a collectors edition as a method of getting both when they are both out would be cool.

[@shondon-.-4363]

I actually think mark (the fe7 avatar) should be removed. He doesn't do anything for the story and I'm not much of a fan for stories with characters that repetitively dump compliments on the player every time they're shoe horned in. Of course this isn't a big deal, just my opinion.

[@Feraligono]

Removing the tactician from the story would then make the tutorial about _Lyn_ learning strategy, much like Ike at the start of Path of Radiance, and serves a dual purpose of making her character more independent.

[@misatange]

Mark literally disappears from the story after the first non Lyn mode chapter

[@piojoaquinlopez8881]

I like him and think hes the best avatar simply because he doesnt mess with the game. Having the characters change dialogue is fine and it allows the player to integrate themselves without becoming shit like the other self inserts.

[@shondon-.-4363]

@@piojoaquinlopez8881 thats true as well, that's why I don't think its that big of a deal

[@MakoShiruba]

@@piojoaquinlopez8881 He might as well not be there. For all that he adds into the game, him being a non-factor also affects other characters when they talk and interact with a character that is basically just an excuse for the Devs to make the player invested into a story that might not be even good in the first place.

[@mee7er]

Before Fe3H I’d agree. However, now that I’ve seen Nintendo is willing to put in time and money for a loooooong feature rich FE I can see a Fe6+7 totally being feasible. Both 6 and 7 had bad pacing, they could definitely lean out both and squeeze it into a 40 hour game. Some coupling being significant (shooting out kids for the next segment) and others being less impactful (maybe we can see Raven as a rando NPC if he doesn’t pair up a village you visit can have one of your old characters inhabit it, etc, etc). As for plot stuff.... sucks but we’re not getting great writing from the franchise anymore. I’ll be happy with cohesive/serviceable with good support writing.

[@korinoriz]

What do you mean "any more". Fe 4 and 9 had pretty good stories. And Three Houses onto that. Also Three Houses isn't all that "feature rich" there's a fair amount of reusing. Then again fe 6 and 7 kinda have a similar level of reuse so that makes my point moot.

[@mee7er]

Totally subjective of course. I’m just throwing in my two cent. I think there’s been a pretty big dip in overall quality of the writing after the Ike games. Lot of weird plot holes or glaring leaps of logic. I enjoyed how different the same event is depicted in FE3H. They did a great job showing your the house leader’s reasoning behind their action. Most of the problem I have is with Bayleth and their action/lack of action in a lot of situations. As for the feature rich thing. I think FE3H is super feature rich. The level of customization is insane. Any character can be anything. You can influence their growth rate, assign classes, equip gear, equip crests even how they look post game. There’s crafting, fishing, battalions, the social aspect is really dense, etc, etc.

[@zxylo786]

​@@korinoriz3Hs has terrible story

[@SharurFoF]

Future Mekkah videos: A couple months from now: Combining FE9 and FE10 Remakes is a Bad Idea Several years from now: Combining Birthright, Conquest, and Revelations Remakes is a Bad Idea A decade+ from now: Combining Crimson Flower, Azure Moon, Verdant Wind, and Silver Snow Remakes is a Bad Idea ... I might agree with all those takes...

[@jonboulet1614]

I wouldn't.

[@darkvictarion1585]

good points, the last one showing both games on gba is the most significant- in other words- fe6 and fe7 are already good looking games that dont need to be remade at all.

[@CometX-ing]

I'm pretty sure most people would be fine so long as the games had some kind of connectivity in which what you do in 7 can influence 6. I also think that there are elements of FE7 and 6 which could be used to tie the two together in a way that makes them feel more continues such as the theme of Human's and Dragon's living together with Ninian and Eliwood's relationship as well as the events surrounding Desmond's assassination attempt on Zephiel. Those things could be better expanded on honestly. While I agree that it's possible they may not see the potential changes they could make in terms of writing to connect and the games and improve FE 7 writing, I don't think that is reason enough to say a joint remake would be a bad idea. I also highly doubt it would take THAT much longer for the two games to be made even if they were on the same cartridge since the games would most certainly be sharing a majority of assets with one another. Fates came out only 4 years after Awakening and that game had 3 seperate scenarios. As for the pairings, as past remakes they would most likely be adding new characters to the either stories even if we don't really need any more. Really, the only major issue with a combined remake is pricing, which would be solved via separate but linkable games like you said. I also would like them to including some elements from Hasha no Tsurugi to further the Dragon and Human relationship aspect but not many other people like that manga so if anything I'd like to see them as DLC units. I think the title should be "Combining FE6 and FE7 Remakes is an unnecessary Idea "

[@domicraft6341]

OMG...! THIS IS AWESOME. Now I can finally have a continus Story by playing FE7 first and then directly playing FE6! Thank you Mekkah. Oh thank you so much!

[@korinoriz]

What. Fe 6 and 7 are pretty disjointed and you can play one and totally understand the other. It's not like fe 4 where it's an actual continuation.

[@domicraft6341]

@@korinoriz I was memeing around.

[@rinkusan978]

I think the whole pricing/money point is minimised since they pretty much have a massive blueprint since it's... remakes. They don't need to spend as much time on character stats, map design (this isn't map aesthetics) or writing (especially supports).

[@expio4257]

A few things I want from FE6 and FE7 remakes FE6: -For the love of Naga make Roy promote earlier, maybe even give him a mount while you're at it. Just don't make him suck and be capped until the end of the game. -A Hector-like mode starring Lilina as our main Lord. Change some map designs, maybe add 1 or 2 exclusive units, and boom. New experience. -Flesh out the cast. FE6's cast is very much on the weak side, and considering how SoV's cast turned out, I would love to see what they do with FE6's. -Have those CGs only shown in the sound test be used. Also CGs/HD cutscenes. FE7: -The ability to skip Lyn mode immediately. -Have Eliwood and Lyn not suck, which is mostly just adding more axe enemies. -HD CGs. -A lot of rewrites of the script, if not an entire new one.

[@nuibaba280]

I doubt Lilina will get that much, but she deserves more importance.

[@expio4257]

@@nuibaba280 She really does. She's Hector's duaghter for crying out loud, we should at leasr give her something.

[@l.n.3372]

In light of Mangs speculation video that PoR might be the next remake, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Tellius remakes in line of this video series. I doubt they'll combine games for the remake if the rumor is true. But I'd also like to hear from those who've played Tellius before whether or not those games are better suited to have more aspects connected upon remake or not.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Both Tellius games were made in mind with each other and connect to each other nicely so even if they did get remade together there wouldn't be any problems there. But they most likely aren't gonna sell two pretty long games together for anyzhing else than 120$, so even if POR and RD do get reamde they're likely gonna be seperate games

[@l.n.3372]

@@vanjagalovic3621 I definitely agree that from a sales and consumer perspective, I wouldn't want them to be combined either. I want better products with the quality and time each deserves. But I think there are a few RD support conversation that rely upon established things in PoR, which contradict some of the other options. I think I've heard people say that Ike and Soren have a RD conversation that implies that they obtained their full PoR support for a foundation. Yet it's not Ike's only option in PoR. Stuff like that would seemingly imply a ' true ' support line that transitions between games.

[@ariesus4177]

I agree with much of this, and I really like the proposed solution of having a link system, or some sort of data transfer option, and I also agree with other commenters wanting the 7 remake to come out before 6. To be honest, I would hope that remakes of both games would be willing to mend plot holes and add details to make the world feel bigger and more congruent. I would love for you to have choices and options in the past that affect your future journey, even in ways like choosing to open a chest or not, or seemingly minor dialogue choices having lasting repercussions.

[@TheDisarminghinkle]

In response to the cost argument, they're not making two games from scratch! They're just revamping the visuals of two old-ass games and MAYBE adding some sort of system for the two games to interact with each other. That DEFINITELY doesn't equal the cost of two Triple-A games to make.

[@RealtaNua2012]

They could ship that in two games without the development cost of making two though. At the end of the day it's about making money.

[@TheDisarminghinkle]

@@RealtaNua2012 I mean, where does that logic end? Why not just ship every game in multiple pieces? Oh shit...

[@RealtaNua2012]

@@TheDisarminghinkle Sounds like Final Fantasy 7.

[@krieg_vtk5273]

An addendum and my own take. The Tellius Saga was planned, despite being having their own separate directions. FE9 was in the same direction as FE7 and FE8, the dartboard-like one, while FE10 took a different road along with future games. FE7 and FE8 were not planned to be part of any saga ; they were planned to respond to the fame of Marth and Roy in west thanks to Super Smash Bros. Melee. FE9 was made to be a transitional point of them direction of the franchise into another route, the one which the franchise has followed for 12 or 13 years as of now.

[@korinoriz]

It's confirmed fe 8 was made shortly after fe 7, which is why it's got a small cast and such. They released fe 7 because of they were recognizable. Fe 9 was probably planned ahead of time to be different cause that's how the series is and they wanted to move to the gamecube. Regardless fe 9 and 10 were made with each other in mind unlike fe 6 and 7 is my point.

[@BowserGlazer]

My personal opinion is that a remake shouldn't usually go for 60. If it does, the remake has to be significantly better than the original, somewhat separate, and high quality by today's standards to players not blinded by nostalgia

[@FireFury190]

The Crash and Spyro trilogy remakes already kind of disprove your first point regarding development time and the pricing of the games. It can be achieved and still be sold for $60.

[@ZygonCannar]

Yeah it's a gigantic pitfall that he thinks all games take the same amount of resources to make. While I don't think remakes are 'free', it will take a hell of a full on re-imaging to make me feel like just one GBA game remake is worth 60 dollars.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@ZygonCannar Didn't IS already sell the two books of FE3 when they reamde them seperately?

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@vanjagalovic3621 They really just remade FE1 and ignored Book 1 entirely when they remade FE3.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@cartooncritic7045 Oh yeah, Marth forgot he got development in SD and just became an idiot that others give exposition to constantly in New mystery

[@hanswalter8004]

These trilogys aren't even a remake, they are a remaster. Fire Emblem remakes don't just change the grafics, they also completely overhaul the gameply, Story, characters, add new characters, add new cutscenes, add new Music and probably include voiceacting

[@conorb.1901]

I'd be fine with a remake of both, but I definitely want them separated. Also if an FE7 remake does happen, please let me skip Lyn mode off the bat. 10 maps of tutorial is way too much.

[@conorb.1901]

@Ced von Noish Yeah, a small "this is how you play" slide in the prologue is enough tutorial in my opinion. 10 is just too much, and it doesn't help that Lyn mode turns off perma-death and (in my opinion) doesn't matter in the context of the story as a whole.

[@0y1on]

@Ced von Noish I think it only controls your movement in Lyn mode if you play Normal mode, and the difference between Normal/Hard in Lyn mode is incredibly negligible (especially in Lyn mode)

[@conorb.1901]

@Grannvale Flame Emperor probably just as a "if this is your first FE game" kind of situation, but even then a little pop-up telling you the gist is all that would be necessary. 10 maps that I don't even have full control over my army is too much tutorial.

[@jonathanmarth6426]

Alternatively you could make Lyn mode more challenging. The point of a remake is to bring a game up to date but also to fix issues the original had.

[@scarletrose8766]

Thing is Lyn mode exist so Lyn dosent get massacred early in Hector mode especially flora ..... The tutorial for Lyn mode dosent seem like a tutorial anymore after a few chapters and you can get kent and sain more exp as they are quite good and Lyn needs the extra shit to not fall off Hector mode cause if one of the three lord dies its game over and Lyn counts as a lord that must not die skipping Lyn mode is just making you have to either pull Lyn away from the fray and take a spot in the team doing nothing or have her In the team and can still help you out that's the main difference of why Lyn mode exist and before you say its not neccesarry Lyn mode is partially Lyn's early story and who found you the tactician .....its basically part of the trilogy of the lords story line

[@Pommypocket]

Your snarky ending works against your own point. Obviously you can simply play the games back to back if you want, but barring emulation thats pretty tricky for anyone who can't read japanese for fe6. And even then, there is a difference between playing two seperate games back to back, and playing two titles meant to flow into each other (like old bioware titles).

[@randomperson10101]

I don't care about extra features personally. I would be content with something akin to the megaman collection where the games are, effectively, just re-released. I don't need fancy new graphics, new systems or modes, new features or forced linking methods. I just want an official localized release of the japanese games. If they re-release 7 in the process, that's just a bonus.

[@herbmaaster]

i want the idea of combining Fire Emblem 6, the binding blade, and Fire Emblem 7, the blazing blade, to sit on my face.

[@Greideren]

To be fair I expect them to create an entirely new character that is Lyn's son/daughter if they do a Fe6 remake. It's quite likely that she will appear as well in one way or another.

[@scarletrose8766]

Greideren more reason why binding blade is meh they forgot Lyn exist.... Killed off hector and you have a useless lord

[@Greideren]

@@scarletrose8766 Lyn literally didn't existed when Fe 6 was released

[@GatorRay]

I just want them to add a one off piece of dialog that says that Erk is the godfather of Klein & Clarine. I like to imagine that Louise would do that because she loves him as much as her own kids.

[@Greideren]

@@GatorRay Yeah that would be sweet (if you ignore the fact that she and Pent took Klein to an arena where he almost got killed)

[@GatorRay]

@@Greideren Touche.

[@Tidalley]

In regards to the remakes introducing an Avatar that can marry playable Elibe characters... They can still very much do that without breaking up Pent and Louise. It's as simple as not making EVERY playable Elibe character a potential mate for the Avatar. Three Houses would agree with me here.

[@CrazyHand7894]

Yup. I don't like how everyone can marry Byleth.

[@scarocci7333]

Pent is too much of a chad to be cucked by any avatar anyway

[@BumroyV2]

I love how even talking about this combined remake still involved shittalking FE7.

[@stefandesic6709]

Making remakes isent hard as making a new game, already existing characters, existing maps, u know what to make, just make everything 3d , make story and characters more conected, the remake wont bring some huge improvments, maps will be the same, characters also, maybe add some new ones so u can ship and stuff (Isadora and Harken kid, will be the strongest unit ever) So basicly where making echoes was from the gour up alnouse, fe 6+fe 7 whould be a head start already

[@batmansmk]

Your budgeting/accounting is uneducated imo; it seems to be the foundation of your argument. The cost of a game is **not** proportional to the amount of content in it: marketing, customer support, distribution, engine development, concept and preprod, support functions like HR, project management, recruiting... Overall, ~85% of game developement cost is not dependent on the amount of content. That's why we see so many DLCs these days. Marketing will be the one calling the shots. Does Nintendo have two slots in their planning for Fire Emblem and what is the opportunity cost for Intelligent Systems not working on FE Heroes? Market is saturated. Will Nintendo be able to sell 2 x 3 millions units with 2 releases? Because if they hit lower sales, independently of development cost, Nintendo used some marketing bandwidth / attention budget that could have gone towards Mario, Smash, Metroid, Zelda, DK, Splatoon, Pokemon...Nintendo is structured to produce a few big hits, not a lot of small ones; that's what killed Advance Wars, Wario, .Pilot wings, Star Fox... Nintendo has no time to make lots of niche games anymore.

[@alexsnewhandle]

They could/would introduce new elements/plot lines to weave the two stories. This just sounds like "I dont like FE7 and I don't want it fixed or ruining my perfect FE6" whining.

[@omegazero5884]

I personally feel like remaking 7 first to get as many retcons out of the way first might be the best idea so things like what you mentioned with the heros and weapons along with Lyn get smoothed out while giving them time to have a smooth transition into 6 for people that have only played 7

[@imafreakinninja12]

Combining the games would be good, because if each game stands alone, the developers will add a bunch of useless, awkwardly placed, filler content just so players don't whine about each game being too short. The number one thing they should do is get rid of the unfair bonus challenges in FE6 like saving all the pegasus knights and archers you have no control over to get extra rewards.

[@Sp0okeh]

12:15 instructions unclear, cartridge stuck in toaster.

[@cel327z]

I guess this means Mekkah hates NTR.

[@donaldtrump2728]

Who could blame him?

[@ThatResidentEvilfan]

Like any respectable person would.

[@funninoriginal6054]

Who dosen't?

[@lukezane7952]

While I do agree with you that these games should be separate, your point from both videos is that “x story event contradicts y story event from the other” I believe that if FE7 and FE5 wanted to change something from the original it is less of a contradiction, and more of a retcon. Mainly cause they chose to re write it to make better sense. Which is why I hope these things are taken care of in a remake, specifically to clarify which games events are canon. Besides that, great video as always!

[@ClassicBentobox]

I appreciate the idea, but you have to realize that by virtue of being a remake, there’s less work and money that goes into them. No writers need to be hired, no new music to be composed, no artist to hire. Speaking of art, a remake would most likely use 3d models, which are infinitely easier to recycle and modify than hand drawn characters, or they can even recycle parts of the old art. Although individual games would be great, I don’t think it would be worth the value, considering they couldn’t possibly add enough content to make it worth the 60$. The new fire emblems may not be my favorite, but you can’t deny that they have a huge margin more content than old FE’s. Because old FE’s were much more linear and focused on story. New FE’s branch off a lot and are more about characters.

[@rozmarinpc1150]

Given what IS did with the other remakes they would add some new chapters and characters, requiring writers, they need to at least remake the music since I don't think you want GBA quality music on the Switch, and they would need a new artist to make new portraits like they did in all the other remakes.

[@ClassicBentobox]

Rozmarin PC1 Fair enough, but we’re still talking about the ratio between a dlc sized team and a game development size team.

[@sanoga2011]

I respectfully agree while disagreeing, while both need full atention for a decent development, and theres not much that transfers from one title tp another, remaking them together would be the ideal way to fix the continuity plotholes while also fixing the matter about the sidestories and characters that either lead nowhere or disappear. An example of these are the Guy and Karel plot, Lyns fate, Wallace cleaning of the bandits that destroyed Lorca tribe, as well as the backstories of Fe6 characters tha could have some relevabce in fe 7 like Geitz and Gesse, beside others. Perhaps also a good way to do this would be like Elibean Nights with a number of interim sidestories.

[@Dragonmist19X]

If the two were ever on a single cartridge i'd want minimal interaction between them. Like minor rewards or possibly changes for completing one of the games. But depending on just how far they went with the quality of the games don't even know if it'd be possible really with how 3H can struggle even as a single game.

[@Celuan1999]

1:10 Like when the Crash and Spyro trilogy remakes came out and they sold for $180 dollars?

[@jamesmast4221]

for what it's worth I feel like if it happened compiling the elibe duology would likely result in a shadows of valentia level reimagining, a ground up redo with added or expanded plot points, characters etc. also there can easily be some characters who's kids you can't influence and those that you can in the same game in fact it could add a bit to the second gen with some characters being guaranteed to appear the same while others you have more control of. also with enough tweaking 7 can better tie into 6 and the writing fixed to make a bit better sense if it's something closer to shadow dragon where they are bringing an old game to a new console and shining it up warts and all then yes keeping them separate would be better though

[@demolisherbpb3390]

No one Tell Mekkah that HD collections exist and would work fine for the SNES saga and GBA saga. (and hopefully a way to resell FE 11 and 12) On the 7 story problems it's always been my assumption that no-one wants to tell people of a sub plot to make a super dark mage. Merlinus is obviously the big problem of forgetting Arcadia completely. And for resealing the legandary weapons, I assume its something that's done either by the Lords or Barimond/Athos before death.

[@icarusmarioFAN]

Maybe tell Intelligent Systems first cuz they don't seem to know either

[@johntopping2728]

13 minute ad for plinkett emblem.

[@RandoomDude]

FE7 is already really well made, FE6 is the one that needs to be expanded, plus you can alway go back and show scenes from FE7 in a remake if you wanted, like as a throwback

[@vanjagalovic3621]

The problem is, as Mekkah mentions, FE7 heavely contradicts FE6 so you'd need to change FE7 or 6's storyes for them to fit with each other

[@gregoryroumeliotis7675]

Two Mekkah videos?!?

[@fernandouehara2665]

Not gonna lie, I clicked because of Lyn in the thumbnail. About the games, though? Well, after Three Houses, I'm way more excited about a more political story than fighting gods or dragons, which means I wish they focus on a Genealogy remake and don't care about a FE6 or FE7 remake at all. Not that I hate the games, I just love how the GBA games look and play to this very day. Instead of remakes, I wish Nintendo release FE6, 7 and 8 for download on the Switch, or a pack with the 3 games. Genealogy, on the other hand, desperately needs a remake with cutscenes and better graphics because it has the best story in the entire franchise.

[@GatorRay]

I don't think Nintendo will remake Genealogy. Why? Three words. Tokyo Mirage Sessions. That game got censored and I'm pretty sure a Genealogy remake would meet the same fate because of the incest & child hunts. Nintendo seems to be keen on keeping Fire Emblem games rated T TBH so I think it would make sense.

[@fernandouehara2665]

@@GatorRay Regular Fire Emblem is the limit of anime I'm willing to accept in my life, so I don't know what happened to that game, but wasn't it released still? I'm pretty sure IS can work their way around the darker parts of Genealogy's plot if they need to, and it would still be the best story in all Fire Emblem. What I fear is that Genealogy isn't anime enough to be as popular as Awakening, Fates or Three Houses, but good story and gameplay can save it from being as forgotten as Shadows of Valentia.

[@GatorRay]

@@fernandouehara2665 If you want to know HOW TMS got censored check out TheMetalBlade5's video on the subject.

[@NinjaSox7]

Inb4 the "Combining FE9 and FE10 Remakes is a Bad Idea" video

[@rynomclaughlin1595]

Why can't we have a FE8 remake? That story holds up really well and beginners would love it

[@magnedeusfenrir9582]

The game was way too fucking easy since you can just grind to max lvl in the tower and just plow through the game. Why would we wanna do that shit again in a remake?

[@Natsona]

Lyn as clickbait got me here. But the points are spot on, make them separate to avoid unnecessary mess ups in the end.

[@domicraft6341]

Hello, I just wanted to send out a Message to ask for help. Idk if you know about the KZbinr Nadgey - he was a FEH KZbinr who did mostly Content about Felicia (and Hilda later on) and was memeing a lot about it. A few days ago his channel got hacked by a guy who renamed it "Coinbase International" and started to make Fake Giveaway Livestreams. I think they're about Bitcoins or something like that but I'm not sure. You can find the channel by searching for "Nadgey." Anyway the guy did this not only to Nadgey but also to some other channels. The victims cannot access their channels right now. They're all renamed to coin base and it even looks like they buy Likes to get more attention since there are a lot more likes then views. However this person/s is/are - they don't care about destroying channels. They want to do their scummy thing even if it means to destroy the work of those who put their heart and love in their work to get big. I'm posting this to help Nadgey to make this topic a bit more known since his fanbase isn't that big. He is one of us and he needs help to get KZbin to notice what's going on. Nadgey has made a Video on his Backupchannel which explains the whole situation more detailed. Maybe there is even a chance to restore his channel completly. Sorry for the offtopic comment and thanks for the attention. #Help-Nadgey

[@Silkule]

I find it honestly refreshing seeing someone advocate for multiple games, accepting the reality of game development and the problems therein. It takes time and resources, so cramming them together doesn't mean a better experience - it means more to do in less time (and more importantly) space! Echoes isn't perfect, but the improvements there are a perfect example of the benefits of focusing on a single game at a time. This isn't to say others don't spot this and honestly, on a video like this I'll likely see more like minded than not people. It's just not advocated that much because games are in that horrible spot of balancing a demand for peoples time/money/hype/attention. I only have one critique of your opinion here Mekkkah, and that's that I'd be surprised if the devs aren't aware of the problems with FE7. In my experience, devs tend to be the biggest critics of their own work much like artists - They'll likely be just as eager as fans are to fix it, or to do better next time! The question is whether it's in the budget, more often than not (sadly). So keeping them separate has my vote too, because it'll hopefully give them the room and time they need to make each one fantastic.

[@aby-_-1966]

I just hope the warriors engine has nothing to do with any Fire Emblem game going forward. Also, FE 9 and FE 10 remakes when? Separately, of course.

[@dakraa8187]

Next video title for Mangs: Combining FE9 and 10 are a good idea

[@LarLakFarStrider]

Most western players never experienced FE6 cause it was never officially translated and released in the west. Not only that but a duo remake would make a "Elibe Chapter" FE game. Especially if they were going to fix the story. And if they combined the remakes there would not be a $90-120 price tag on a single piece of software. It would only be if they separated them for $60 each and made a package deal for $100 "complete edition"

[@Guy-cb1oh]

Sorry, But combining the two avoides the problem of one being released in english and the other not like how Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon was and Fire Emblem New Mystery was not and thus only got Half of the story. Or you know like the ORIGINAL FE 6 &7 again only getting half the story.

[@AdmiralTails]

Or the even worse, one gets remade, does poorly (as FE remakes have been rather known to do), and the second one never even gets greenlit. Honestly this seems like the more likely one since Nintendo seems fond of worldwide releases lately.

[@jackotd]

No. Not on board with separate games. I really did enjoy the awakening system. This is a great opportunity to actually introduce Mark as an active character, for him to fulfill his oath to guide Roy, if use a generational system within the story. This is an opportunity to give depth to the game that wasn’t there before. Introduce more characters. Effect the world differently. Play more levels, even sad ones like Hector’s final battle. There’s lots of ways to fix plot problems, which you dismissed. I’m not going to lie, I really want this to happen. It will be far better than the outrealms contrivance of fates and allow them to do it right. It’s also allows them to do certain mysteries the right way, like you also touched on and dismissed. There are certain plot points that you dismiss or just ignore from the games that do help to explain things. In short; this video did not sway me. It made me want the combined game more. It’s the opportunity for IS to make it more along the lines of the FF7 remake in depth and gameplay.

[@averytucker790]

I'll give you five good and short reasons. 1. They use the exact same assets. So much so that you can literally make all the levels in FE:6, with FE:7's engine. 2. They both use the same animation and flow. 3. This saves Nintendo's ass by putting it together. Because if western fans don't like FE6, at least it comes with FE7. So it's pretty much killing two birds with one stone. 4. The heck are you talking about quality? They're really old and easy to produce. All they need to do is make a few 3D sprites for the animations. This is quite easy to make if you ever did game development (I mean they have to or there is going to be a lot of angry FE fans at the Nintendo headquarters. If they use 3D models for the game). 5. It's a "remake", as in making something again. Not a remaster, as in bringing it back to it's prime with modern touches. They can just remake the plot. It isn't like it's the most well-crafted plot in story history. It's not that hard to write it again, and fix the major plot holes.

[@imnotnarcian]

The editor for this is awesome! Amazing job, bless

[@GIR177]

I feel the shoehorning of shipping mechanics into games that didnt have them is something no one actually wants or cares about, but something you think people do and continue bringing up for some reason. Of course I'm only speaking personally here, but it's such a weird red herring you keep being hung up on. It has nothing to do with the issue of whether combining both remakes into one package is a good idea or not.

[@korinoriz]

>nobody wants or cares about A decent chunk of the fandom love fe partly because if its "shipping mechanics". Hell, some people were disappointed with Echoes cause it's so different from Awakening and Fates. Also a decent amount of the people arguing for the combined remakes do so because they want their ships from fe 7 to carry over. Sure I'm being cynical and harsh about my perception of the fanbase, but it's not like Mekkah is just making it up and some minor concern.

[@GIR177]

@@korinoriz Echoes was a hit-or-miss game for peeps because the mediocre, archaic map design from the original was left unchanged for nostalgia reasons, and because the game offers little replay value despite the excellent presentation. Lack of shipping mechanics may have been a deciding factor of why /some/ players may not have liked it, but it was a comparatively minor one to expect considering it's a remake of a 25-year-old game and doesn't even include an avatar (which is one of the biggest reasons many people like shipping mechanics - so they can ship their self-inserts with other units). Fates is also a case where that mechanic was shoehorned in after the fact and done badly, so I think the even the FE shippers can see the issues with including it in a pre-established game that never had it. I don't disagree with him on why shipping shouldn't be there, I just think it's a pretty irrelevant point to give equal credence to considering it's wishful thinking at best.

[@gameboyn64]

Mekkah. One problem with your solution. I can't read Japanese. Seriously though, they should just port them to the switch e shop for $20 a piece.

[@Lmaxter500]

Hear me out. How about an FE5 combined with FE8 remake. Think about it.

[@GatorRay]

Are you stupid?

[@Lmaxter500]

@@GatorRay are you?

[@flashlite3]

Simply basing from echoes which did pretty ok, the safest choice for IS is to release a remake of FE6 and FE7 separately. Sell each as a full price FE game and maybe add some extra mechanic or qol to increase the length of the game and make it modern. If they however have artistic freedom to change the story for both to be more 'connected' then I wouldn't mind if they change things up.

[@VladislavFomitchev]

This video has some slick editing and pretty dank memes. This Chicago Green guy must be pretty cool 😎

[@MajinMattPlays]

Honestly as a fairly casual player that enjoys both FE6 and FE7, all I really want is for them to patch up FE7's story and let my decisions effect the related kids we know of. I don't care about every character being someone's child, all I really care about is the ability for the decision to pair Hector with Florina instead of Lyn to matter in some way. Or for Roy to get some special dialogue with Sophia and Fae because he's half Dragon as well. Even if it isn't major differences I would like the option to have some effect pass over. I do think Nergal needs some serious rewriting or some explaining, I've not watched your series on it but I can see that clear as day, as long as they don't get rid of the comedic and not so comedic moments between the lords I wouldn't actually have a problem with a near complete rewrite to tie it into the plot of FE6 better. Hell I would love for the conversations with Zephiel in Battle Before Dawn to mean something, not sure what it would be though. I'm not sure how exactly I would like the games to be remade beyond those points though honestly. As one of the odd people who has SoV as their favorite game in the franchise I would love for something that's sort of like that, or maybe something closer to how Three Houses handles things like Combat Arts and Skills. I would hate for an Avatar to be added to FE6 though. Mark already exists in 7 and I think there should be a little more involvement with him in the game, not so much as a playable unit but something a little more direct than the star system and the affinity, and a line or two in FE6's remake to mention him would be more than enough for me. Even if I could certainly do without the glaring into my soul that some of the FE7 characters do when talking to Mark. Sorry that was filled with rambling. I would love to hear some thoughts if there are any!

[@d3-ll754]

IMO, the only way a remake would be worth $60 is IF they combined both games into a single package. Making a remake isn't as difficult as making a full-fledged brand-new game since, well...you're just improving on an already finished product. Granted, doing this with two full games at once means it probably will take a bit longer to finish than something like...say, Echoes, but in theory it should only take a tiny bit longer than making a brand-new game, if that. Besides, are we sure every single thing in FE6/FE7 is 100% necessary to keep? There's quite a bit of filler in both games they could cut and I, for one, would be glad if they did, especially if the aforementioned filler isn't notable to the story in any super-impactful way (e.g. FE7, most of Lyn's path). Combining the two games would also be easier on the memory space of the game's system, since 1 game with above-average memory consumption is still smaller than 2 games with average memory consumption. But anyway. I just don't think the production phase will be AS arduous as you make it out to be. As for the story beats? Well, I WOULD say they should be able to fix up some of FE7's more nonsensical plot threads, but considering it would come from the same minds that gave us Fates as well as 3H.... Well, who the fuck knows. XD

[@alexandrelabrie7790]

Your example at the end about successive experiences is incredibly disingenuous. Fire Emblem 6 never got an international release, and the game is in Japanese. Do you speak Japanese? I don't. I'm only going to have a seamless experience if I put down my Gameboy Advance after I beat Blazing Blade, and then load up an Emulator with Binding Blade. The average person is not going to import a Gameboy advance cartridge from Japan that can only be used if they patch the cartridge. I can see Fire Emblem 6 and 7 being combined together, because they're almost mechanically identical. I would never want Genealogy and Thracia 776 to be combined, because Thracia was built with different mechanics in mind, such as capture. But besides a few details like promotions bonuses, weapon triangle bonuses, and effective weapon damage, there aren't that many unique mechanics in either Fire Emblem 6 or 7, besides the emphasis on weather for a few Fire Emblem 7 maps. However, I do like the idea of transfers/transfer bonuses. It's just that they were poorly implemented in the Tellius games. It's challenging to cap more than a few characters, and the bonuses you got for capping a character were insubstantial. A few +2s on stats, maybe Sothe ending up differently, and a couple of extra conversations. In the end transfer bonuses were only useful for characters that would be in challenging chapters (Jill, Zihark, Tauroneo, Kieran, Makalov, Geoffery, maybe a BEXP'd Elincia). And if only child characters like Wolt, or older characters like Bartre gets bonuses, then that's just unfair and half-baked. If IS doesn't link the games together on one cartridge, I want substantial benefits for a transferred save game. Like maybe some extra weapons or promotion items (Fire Emblem 6 seriously needs more Knight Crests and Guiding Rings), and perhaps a couple of Fire Emblem 7 characters available in Fire Emblem 6. I would seriously prefer getting a few extra Afa's drops instead of messing around with child units and/or harvesting supports for hypothetical growth bonuses.

[@emmetth3726]

No one: Mekkah: pls watch Plinket emblem

[@stormtrooperjon9212]

I don't get the arguments here at all, its like you're saying that they are completely different games with completely different stories? But they're not?? What? Plus they could easily then incorporate those children bonuses system from the older games depending on which characters hook up. Like imagine Roy is faster but slightly weaker if Eliwood romances Lyn for example, or they have unique perks and weapons at the start, etc. Also these arguments where Roy never heard of legendary weapons etc, wtf? They could easily correct that stuff in a remake...why would they ever make a strict story remake if things don't add up? Its like you dismiss everything as if the writers can't fix anything because their imagination ran out? Plus no one would force you to play it start to finish 3 Houses style, I'd imagine you could play Lyn's tale, Eliwood or Hector's tale, Roy's tale etc

[@Geraki0n]

As per the first claim on combined remakes in general, sure I suppose that might be true if both remakes get made but that's far from a given. And we have to look no farther than FE12 for when this happened. I suppose it did get made and fan translated, but for most English players it's as if the second remake didn't happen due to (ostensibly) poor sales on FE11. Whereas, if Intelligent Systems had just made one combined remake (or really, just a remake of FE3 with book 1 and book 2) then we would have gotten both games. Maybe it would have sold better too. It's also plenty feasible for combined remakes on one game without raising the price. It happened in Japan with FE3 in a sense. Here, at least as far back as the GBA with both FF1 and FF2 being put on one cartridge.

[@saykoya2260]

I don't really understand your second point with fe3, as only book one is a (rushed) remake and book 2 is a new story. Also, people seem to have this idea that fe11 sold poorly, but for a ds game it sold better than fe9.

[@Geraki0n]

@@saykoya2260 I'm comparing a world in which we got a full FE3 remake (book 1 + book 2) AKA a combined FE1+ FE3 remake, to the one we're in where IS split the remakes up and decided never to bring the second one over. It would not have been a rushed book 1 in that hypothetical. FE11 from what I recalled sold well enough, but selling better than FE9 isn't really a high talking point. If it had sold better though, there's no way IS would have avoided an english localization. Hence, "Ostensibly".

[@saykoya2260]

@@Geraki0n Wasn't clear about my point with the sales but I think it's irrelevant here so just ignore that, my bad. From my experience playing both fe 11 and 12, these are quite lengthy games, so expecting the same quality in a combined games is quite unrealistic I find, just like in fe3, book 1 takes up a smaller portion of the game and the focus is more on book 2. I don't know why they didn't bring fe12 to the west, but I think having them combined in one game, seeing as the two we have play vastly differently despite looking similar, would be a big loss compared to what it could bring.

[@Geraki0n]

@@saykoya2260 I don't think it's always easy to speculate (for both you and Mekkkah) what makes something hard or difficult to program/make. For all we know, the story and characters were done in the original games and the graphics figured out in FE11. FE12 might have been a comparably breezy experience. A combined game might have some cuts (hopefully the avatar in FE12 haha), but I have a hard time seeing IS completely flop a book 2 due to time crunch. And on the flip side, we would have had it.

[@saykoya2260]

@@Geraki0n I don't think the issue is with a time crunch here, but rather the size and length a combined game would have. I think for a reasonable game, we would have had a game of a quality comparable to shadow dragon. I think this because a lot of the qualities in fe12 come from their mistakes in shadow dragon, and that's how it developed into a completely different game despite having similar assets. I also see a lot of flaws such as reused map being more apparent in a combined game. In short, I think even if a combined game did as well as shadow dragon, which appears unlikely to me, I'd rather have the two separate games even if the second one is accessible only years later through fan translations.

[@GodleyX]

I think for me the only reason a combined game would be good is that... You're guaranteed to get them both. Otherwise one game might release and they might never remake the other.

[@hylianfelldragon1308]

Also trying to pair Nino with either Jaffar or Erk to get Lugh and Raigh seems like too much of a nightmare given how late she joins and the fact that Elibe supports take forever and you're limited to only 5 support conversations per playthrough only to get 2 slightly above average mage units doesn't seem worth it to me.

[@korinoriz]

They'd very likely change the support system. Echoes had a pretty good one and Gaiden didn't even have supports. Also you doubt the power of shippers and slower players.

[@AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm]

Mekkah: I will be patient for a remake IS releases remake 40 years later Mekkah: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[@simondupuis8372]

Disagree that fe6 feels complete without FE7, Zephiel is a terrible villain if you only take his fe6 appearance.

[@mado-wh4jv]

Guinevere explain you all his story in just a conversation, i agree that fe7 went deeper but in plot Zephiel works well with just fe6

[@plentyofpaper]

I don't buy the explanation that pricing a double remake would be awkward. In fact, I'd argue the exact opposite. Remaking one of them and charging $60 for it when the original retailed at $30 about 20 years ago would be the questionable move. The only game I can think of that was a full price console remake of an originally handheld game was the Switch's Link's Awakening. Also, FE6 and 7 are intentionally minimalist games. No children, skills, pair-ups, and only a minor support system. Modern gamers are more used to the fancy bells and whistles of Awakening onward. A simpler experience would be a harder sell for a $60 game. Adding additional content (2 games) would be a more appropriate path to $60 than adding in an unwelcome pair-up mechanic or some such nonsense.

[@TriAzF]

FE11 and FE12 were remakes that were priced somewhat highly because they were remakes, not releases. If they remake FE7 for example and enhance the graphics, possibly making it 3D like three houses, add full voice acting, possibly tweak certain mechanics or stats, enhance the UI and menus etc, I think selling it for $60 is perfectly acceptable as all of these would cost a lot more money than the creation of the original games. This is assuming that they actually Remake FE6 and FE7 and not just releasing them, which is a very different thing. If your talking about re-releases where they essentially keep it the same game, maybe enhance the graphics but don’t noticeably change them and release it for consoles than I would agree with you that $60 for both in one cartridge would be pretty fair, since they wouldn’t need to spend as much money creating it.

[@plentyofpaper]

@@TriAzF I was assuming a full 3D remake as you were describing. And honestly, thinking about it more, that's really just not the direction to take it. Creating more than 1 3D game engine per generation is wasteful, so if it were to come on the Switch, battle animations would be pulled straight from 3 houses. The animation design philosophies simply don't match. GBA remakes need Warrior's torsos to spin like turbo-charged washing machines, Swordmasters to leave extraneous after images, Generals to spin around axes the size of mages at dizzying speeds, Hero's needlessly tossing their greatswords into the sky just to leap up and bring them down, etc. And then the hit needs to freeze the image in place for dramatic effect, particularly to match up with the high note in FE7s battle music. Then, that's the animation set that needs to be used for remakes of 6-8, as they share that artistic design. That many games is enough to fill an entire console, leaving no room for a new FE game. This will be particularly awkward, as they all share a minimalist design. The addition of a full skill system, pair-ups, complex class system, assigning classes at base camp, etc. would also go against the design philosophy. The GBA games were a step back in complexity compared to 4 and 5, designed to clean up the bloat left over and return to a strong foundation. Adding more than say, a simple branched promotion (like FE8) plus a character skill and a class skill would detract from the game. So, now I'm against a full-scale remake altogether (despite 7 being a strong candidate for best game ever made in my mind.) I think the model to follow would be the one set by the upcoming Advance Wars 1+2 on the Switch. You can keep true to the original design in that manner, while keeping the games distinct from the newer entries in the series. Pairing 6 and 7 together would also raise the awkward issue of what to do with 8, which would be about half the game. This style of remake at $20 each would be the correct way to go. And honestly, I'd take any of these over an equivalent full scale remake. The truth is, there's really just not a whole lot of work you can put into the remake of these that wouldn't make the end product inferior to the originals. Put in the quality of life touches like pinning enemy movements and swapping weapons with X+Y, make a few balance tweaks here and there, improve the graphics (but keep in line with the original style) and of course fix the support system, and that's about all that can be done.

[@Obileo346]

The big thing I want in all these remakes along with 4+5 is save game transfer bonuses including stats and skills (maybe appearance changes and class changes) that are determined by the parents of the child characters. I would also love to see more modernized supports. What I mean by that is that the ones that exist stay as they are, but characters that previously didn't have supports now have them, supports that can end in marriage have an S support that guarantees the paired ending for those characters, and there are no limits to how many supports characters can have. 9+10 already have transfer bonuses in the form of stat boosts for returning characters and I think that should apply to the 4+5 and 6+7 remakes as well. I can definitely agree that the games will be better quality if they are kept as separate games. They don't need to add in reclassing and branched class trees, but it could be fun to see how they choose to add them in if they decide to do so.

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

I can imagine that it would be like Three Houses where they explain how Mark stays alive but for twenty years

[@catfish8716]

Mark has a child you play as for the FE6 part, ez

[@micahwhitley2968]

Who is Mark's son

[@catfish8716]

@@micahwhitley2968 As of now, nonexistant

[@altha201]

Do the same video for PoR and RD just for sure

[@kyrroti]

Why not port all 3 of the GBA games to the Switch in one package, sort of like the Collection of Mana?

[@GatorRay]

Because Nintendo is greedy.

[@Edgeperor]

@@GatorRay they’re greedy by not going for easy money? Lol ok whatever you say chief

[@GatorRay]

@@Edgeperor HAVE YOU SEEN their new strategy of having the anniversary celebration games be limited releases? If that's not proof that NIntendo is greedy I don't know what will.

[@MakoShiruba]

People want FE6+7 thing to happen because they want FE6 to get a richer story in the process while also fixing all the stupid shit that FE7 does with it's nonsense plot. The idea is that both these games work on a vacumm, but as a stand alone products, they all suffer because they don't have anything else beyond their gameplay to suppliment anything. It's basically like playing actual chess, with a minor story about why you do so. I think a project like this COULD work, but I don't know how much of FE6 story can be improved and I don't know how much of FE7 can be salvaged . It's basically a huge risk and probably the reason why IS choose Tellius for a Shadows remake instead of Elibe or Jugdral: The stakes for greatness are high but we are also on a risk FE could drop into the cancellation void once more.