Melbourne's lost central markets

[@StevenRyan-d1w]

Small misspeak @1:10. Exhibition St was previously Stephen St, not Stephenson St as stated

[@philipmallis]

You're absolutely right, thanks for the correction!

[@StevenRyan-d1w]

@@philipmallis Apart from that, really enjoyed the video

[@romanr9977]

Thanks Philip. I never even knew there was a Western market. And now I know why Market street is called that. And why the Haymarket roundabout has its name. Keep up the good work 👍🏽

[@Nookdashiddole]

Aw durr

[@romanr9977]

@@Nookdashiddole low IQ

[@hypercomms2001]

Thank you Philip that was excellent! PS: maybe you could talk about how the Queen Victoria market was the original Cemetery of Melbourne.

[@williamfox1378]

Babe wake up new Philip Malis just dropped

[@Timbo6669]

Do you and your partner have kids? I hear a lot of gay couples adopt these days and it’s so great to hear. There are too many orphans and kids in need in this world.

[@Keesch]

My first day of trafinding happened to be the very first ever Sunday trading. People used to dress up for a sunday outi g and over the years i used to notice the moccasin shuffle as people relaxed and took sinday trading as normal. My stall was opposite the toilet block on edge right next to the carpark. Life as a yrader was soooo interesting. I loved it. We were like a family...the lady opposite me sold habidashery, and her family business had been there for 100 years! I wont name names in this communication... My stall was right on top of the old cemetery chinese section I think You have hit on a passion of mine Left Melbourne in 1988 for a simple life in the country. Conti uing to luve the dream as a retiree.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Mrbang-l1v]

You should tell your stories

[@steadilyebbing]

Thank you Nigel for making plans for us!

[@NewFalconerRecords]

Nice! I'm in ecstasy over that comment.

[@VictoriaShawRacing]

Very enjoyable Philip, well done. It's heartbreaking to see the magnificent early architecture that Melbourne has lost.

[@RenatoNeyra]

Interesting topic Phill. I would love to see you do one over the current melbourne airport we have today!

[@philipmallis]

Thanks very much, and thanks for the idea!

[@JWMcLay]

I very much like that suggestion too 😊

[@gregbowen617]

Great video Philip! I never knew of the other markets in the CBD. Unfortunately, so much beautiful architecture lost to the almighty developers...at least the city has retained some.

[@Keesch]

Ex vic maketnic 1978 to 1988....sin just sent me the link. From Old melb family Very i terrstrd in your site...now subscribed and vids saved!!! Thankyou very very much. Retired and travelling. Bless you❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤I ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@jenniferdawson5738]

This is a great video about the Markets...Mum shared a stall in 1940/50s and made childrens clothes and stuffed toys... I do wish you would do some research into the Firehouse Station behind Fitzroy Town Hall please...It was built in 1890s and served as a home for the Hallkeepers and their families until the 1960s when it was demolished..The Firehouse station has an interesting story...

[@HendraG-nn1gi]

Great video..thanks and hope this channel will speak up for the best interest of Melbourne. May God bless Melbourne..

[@BarklyMitford]

Wow, stoked my suggestion has helped you out and made an awesome video, there really isn’t much information out there regarding the Eastern Market in the 1940’s until it closed. Great work again my guy. The old St.Kilda High Street, demolished to create Brighton Rd could make for an interesting story. Again, great work, well researched and professionally presented.

[@rodevans602]

Very interesting. Thank you! I remember the buildings of both the Eastern and Western markets in the last few years of their existence. Subsequent structures on those sites are a triumph of utility over charm, IMO!

[@gandfgandf5826]

Love these videos. As other commenters have suggested, a detailed video on the Hoddle grid would be most interesting. Original plan vs what was built vs what exists today. I'd be interested to know what was envisioned originallly in terms of residential accommodation in what we now call the CBD. Unlike most cities around the world, Melbourne city centre seems to have been low on residents for much of its history.

[@xr6lad]

You forgot to mention the old Metropolitan Meat Market at Blackwood and Courtney St, North Melbourne (a stones throw from the Haymarket). The buildings are still there.

[@markwng]

I had little idea about these markets. Always good to learn new things. Well made clip. Thanks for the effort.

[@scottjakowitz5465]

Very interesting! My employer is based in Collins Arch, it's interesting to think how much history there is right under my feet.

[@DeMews]

Its amusing in the sketches and paintings, they show the places packed with people but in photos of the same period like in the city streets, theres hardly anyone there.

[@mathewferstl7042]

depends what time of the day they were taken. I'd assume with old film cameras back then, they'd want to wait for a time with as few people as possible to minimise the amount of moving objects in the frame that could come out blurry. That's my guess

[@philipmallis]

Yep you're absolutely right. That's why you get 'ghost' looking people in photos of this era and quite a few blurs.

[@gram1608]

Excellent history of a lost Melbourne. Thank you

[@philipmallis]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

[@NewFalconerRecords]

Another triumph, Philip... so good. E.W. Cole -- later known for his massive Book Arcade and the Cole's Funny Picture Books -- had his first second-hand book stalls at the Eastern Market. He first held the No.8 stall, which was quite a good position and got him established, but then secured the Prime No.1 spot. That's the smaller building to the left of "Haymarket" at 4:07. He was also responsible for sub-letting some of the spaces where the crazy sideshows and wacky (and dangerous) early electric shows ("To Improve Male Virility" e.g.) happened. This vibrant activity on a Saturday night made it a real magnet for Melburnians at the time. He did a lot of innovative newspaper advertising at this point and really established himself as both an eccentric and a visionary. However, once he heard about the redevelopment of this site, he knew that it was time to move on, and -- inspired by the new arcades such as Royal Arcade etc. -- had the idea of creating a Book Arcade of his own, which has since become legendary. But it all started for him at the Eastern Market, an extremely active part of Melbourne during that time.

[@MelodyMan69]

NEWMARKET SALE YARDS ?? There was a fire to wool bales around 1970 that burned and smoldered for nearly one year.

[@markr6812]

12:05 a few old work colleagues of mine worked for GIO business insurance at the old Suncorp building, and would refer to a part of the building about ten years ago now falling, nearly hitting a small shop owner below. That building itself from what I’ve been told (could be false) was in disrepair and cordoned off before being demolished.

[@davidmcnicol5322]

Must check out that foundation stone! Have walked past it many times, but never noticed it. As always, fantastic video and amazing research. Thanks!

[@monkgreen5882]

Thanks Phillip!

[@longbombstosnake7860]

Hi Philip…just wondering if you have considered doing a video on the forgotten racecourses of Melbourne?…Ascot Vale…Richmond…Williamstown???

[@gymbeef]

I was going to suggest Williamstown race course , all that's left is a mound of concrete and 1 palm tree. It also had its own railway station.

[@geoffe]

White City too, just west of tottenham - greyhound track

[@notaplic8158]

​@@geoffe which also had its own railway station!

[@Havencheese]

Mentone, nearby there was Epsom training track in Mordialloc and Aspendale also, which had horses but inside was also the world's first track designated specifically for motor racing. I think little known Richfield I think might be where Chelsea Heights is now.

[@ksenijavojisavljevic2034]

Ideas for videos , of my interest, if it suits your program: 1) things being build in Melbourne ( I hate when I discover some beautiful place and I realise it was there for last 15 years and I had no idea. The city is huge. We need someone to show us what is beautiful in it . Non beautiful streets are ever present. No need for help in that area) 2) All the one day park visits with public transport ways ( have you noticed that all beautiful destination have buss station on 3 plus km away of the entry? What is the problem to pass the bus right there). 3) Elegant city places to find for a stroll and shopping and “ pedestrian random strolling no booking” restaurants with a view ( most restaurants are so ugly and look on cars) 4) other places that are elegant to have in a day out as a pedestrian. Thank you for your efforts .

[@philipmallis]

Thanks very much for the ideas!

[@ksenijavojisavljevic2034]

@@philipmallis Thank you for your answer. I appreciate your work very much. It is very thoroughly prepared study. A treasure program.

[@Athyxion]

Hey Philip, just a question regarding the clock from the old City market that you said Melbourne city council has. What do you mean by that? Do you mean that it's being reused somewhere or do you mean that they have it in storage somewhere

[@philipmallis]

That's a great question I don't really know. I'll try to find out from the City of Melbourne Libraries who have it in their collection. I suspect it's in storage somewhere.

[@hARVoThe96]

Interesting stuff! You should do a video on the former Benevolent Asylum in North Melbourne.

[@elcasho]

Great research

[@shanewall4470]

@PhilipMallis Have you ever checked out Footscray Market? It was thriving when I was at RAAF Point Cook studying Vietnamese, in 1990. A bustling, wonderfully eclectic mix of cultures and goods for sale back then.

[@philipmallis]

Thank you, good idea! I'll add it to the list

[@walkaboutwithrob]

Good heavens, we've both just done videos about old city markets.

[@philipmallis]

Haha yes great coincidence!

[@robertamorim3624]

Yess Phil!!! loving your content mate!

[@spacewalktraveller1]

Thanks Philip, I really enjoy your videos.

[@mickgatz214]

Your voice sounds almost exactly like OzGeology, without the 'sound enhancements'......😂👍 Well Done!

[@aussietaipan8700]

The building in the center of the background image at 8:13 looks to be the Orica building, once the tallest building in Melbourne, back then was ICI.

[@wallypoffle7796]

Wonderful historic information.

[@leeshocks5767]

cool vid!

[@brainsmatter7067]

The Suncorp Building was only there for a few years, it was the AXA Building (formerly National Mutual) for a number of decades before they moved to the Docklands and then Suncorp moved in before it was demolished to become the current building. I used to work in it and it has very 1960s decor inside and apparently just before AXA left, it was partially condemned (not sure how true that was) but it was used in filming for a couple of movies - some scenes in Nick Cages “Ghost RIder” and Susan Sarandon’s “The Boardroom” (if I remember correctly) - we had to go in via the back ways when they rebranded the front of the buildings for the shoots!

[@oakcman]

Hi Philip. Love the video. Would you ever do a video on the old good sheds located in the Docklands ? Believe at point was the longest shed in the southern hemisphere before Collins st was extended and split the shed in two!

[@BrianORourke-]

Thanks for such a lovely clip. Could you do a piece on the 2 large buildings south of the market car park? These buildings have lay largely dormant for 40 years. Surely they could be used for something....

[@AndrewBrown-fq6vp]

Great video! Wasn't there a fish market near Flinders St Station at some point? When did the fruit and veg market move to it's present location?

[@philipmallis]

Yes there was! There are some great photos here: storeyofmelbourne.org/2019/12/03/fish-market-long-gone-not-forgotten/

[@JWMcLay]

Thanks for that link Philip, I was interested to know more about the old fish market and where it was. Thank you Lost city of Melbourne film, how that opened my eyes!

[@geoffbarratt2732]

I enjoy your clips, very interesting. Can I suggest a history of rail and tramways in the Cheltenham area. My 93-year-old Mum tells me there used to be a railway running up from Cheltenham to what is now the Kingston Hospital. Also, i have heard about a tramway in Beaumaris. There was a metal cart track going up Center Dandenong rd. past where Moorabbin airport is. There is or was a section preserved on the nature strip somewhere near the sports ground. cheers

[@petereisenhut7169]

Thank you Philip, it was the National Mutual building in Collins Street, as mentioned in an earlier comment. I remember fondly the restaurant on the top floor, it was very swanky, I think it was called the Skyhigh. At that time it was the best vantage point for a great view over the lights of the city and beyond.

[@WilliamSantos-cv8rr]

Could you do a video (or several ones) on how the ethnic towns were formed? Even the informal ones like Springvale for the Vietnamese for example.

[@philipmallis]

Thanks good idea! 'Ethnoburb' is a US term that I recently came across actually that seems a good place to start en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoburb

[@DavidBrown-rw1wf]

Excellent video

[@KP-wz3ut]

interesting that... still not sure why they picked a cemetery site for a Victoria market place.

[@herbnalis3723]

9000 still buried there.

[@Rmizis]

What a shame the eastern market buildings were so much nicer than the southern cross buildings

[@AntonP-f6p]

Agreed that the original Victorian era buildings were more beautiful than most that have been built later and that we should not have destroyed them. Note that the building that is on the Eastern market sites now is not the Southern Cross Hotel building. The Southern Cross Hotel (built in 1962 by PanAm) was demolished a few years after the business closed - think it was the late 90's - and the present building was constructed. Funny coincidence for me - I used to work at the Southern Cross Hotel and my wife used to work at the National Mutual (SunCorp) building on the western market sites. Nice Video Philip.

[@mathewferstl7042]

city square when it's reopened might help with that

[@merbertancriwalli8622]

12:06 I know the building as the National Mutual Building as they were the occupants for many decades up until the early -mid nineties...

[@rofromoz1361]

I was there, outside the Southern Cross when the Beatles were there. On my dad's shoulders. Would have loved that site to bring converted into a city square

[@tonyrandall3146]

Always like Philip's videos cobbers.

[@pushrodtv6623]

G'day Phill i've got a topic suggestion , lost and current drag racing strips of victoria keep the great content coming👍🍻

[@philipmallis]

Thanks for the idea! I do remember covering a little bit of this topic in my Fishermans Bend Airport video as that operated as a drag racing strip for a few years. But a specific video on that would be good

[@montecarlo1651]

Surprised you didn't mention the gun alley murder of Alma Tirtschke in 1924. This was in Eastern Arcade behind the Eastern Market and added to its bad reputation. My grandmother, 14 at the time of Alma's murder, was a frequenter of the Eastern Market but after the murder of Alma, ceased to go there and she told me that it was this event that marked the end of the Eastern Market and it went into a steep decline thereafter. (My memory from her was it closed soon after the murder.) Enjoying the videos Philip. Though recently covered in a book (Blue Lagoon?) the history of West Melbourne is really unknown and worth bringing to a wider audience.

[@Kinnibari]

It’s a pity they didn’t turn the eastern market site into a park or square, Melbourne still lacks a big central open space

[@markjones2781]

Suggestion for a future video. Who is Whelan the Wrecker and what has she wrecked?

[@DeMews]

Whelan The Wrecker was the name of a demolition company founded by Jim Whelan. Its still operating today, even has its own website. Theres no "she"

[@philipmallis]

Thanks for the idea! If you're interested in that topic I can highly recommend this book from Robyn Annear: www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/city-lost-and-found-0

[@Duncan_Campbell]

@@philipmallis There is the documentary The Lost City of Melbourne, where Whelan is covered as well.

[@rob-en5fm]

Topic idea - the hoddle grid and the designer?

[@amay167]

Maybe do a topic on Melbourne's oldest cricket/school park/oval apart from the MCG or other stadiums. Or do a topic on Ventura buses they turn 100 this year.

[@lauriewhite8153]

WOW!! I always wondered why the Haymarket intersection got it's name from. I think a video on the Northcote Rise/Embankment would be interesting

[@darkangel2347]

I was born in Melbourne in March 1970 but my time living there was very limited. I left to live in SA in January 1974 at very short notice. So any video or book on old Melbourne is highly valued by me.

[@xr6lad]

Another idea would be the lost amusement parks of Melbourne.

[@itskindofemily]

I don't know if you've talked about it, but you could talk about the history of the Royal Exhibition building. I did the dome tour today and it was incredible. It used to be MASSIVE! It was built on a natural high point, which was used by the local Indigenous group. And the paintings inside are restored to their former glory, and they also used to be topless women, but we're given modest coverings because it was thought the men would just stare at them 😂 also I believe it was the first Australian world heritage site..?

[@philipmallis]

Great thanks for the idea and glad you enjoyed the tour! I think the Great Barrier Reef was the first World Heritage site in Australia but I could be wrong. Maybe it was Victoria's first?

[@charliecasey550]

There is also the old market at Moonee Ponds.

[@vsvnrg3263]

7:32, note the line "importer of english and foreign birds and animals". when people dont believe reports of black panthers or cougars in the australian bush they need to know that, in the 19th century, there were hoards of industrious individuals supplying all sorts of creatures to those with money and desire for the exotic.

[@peregrinemccauley5010]

I didn't know fleas were that popular back then.

[@cudgee7144]

If my mind serves me correctly, and that could be doubtful, was there also a fish market down near where the the aquarium is today, somewhere around near the corner of Flinders street and Spencer street.

[@philipmallis]

You're absolutely right! There are some great photos of it here storeyofmelbourne.org/2019/12/03/fish-market-long-gone-not-forgotten/

[@DavidBromage]

Something related to the Queen Victoria Market that could make an interesting story. When the Melbourne and Essendon Railway was formed, it originally planned to build its terminus on the corner of Elizabeth and La Trobe streets. The route would have gone past the Hotham Cricket Ground (now Arden St Oval) to Kensington. In the end the company connected to Spencer Street, but the cost of running the last mile on track it didn't own ate up most of its income. It could have been interesting if it did build a terminus at Elizabeth St, which would have the market right next to it just a few years later, and hadn't gone bankrupt so quickly.

[@philipmallis]

Thank you that's very interesting!

[@damienberry7679]

And today I’ve learned not only of the existence of both markets, but also that Stephen Street was Exhibition Street’s original name, and also why Market Street is such named.

[@cosmicdib4823]

I went to Queen Vic market earlier this year and there is a row of buildings by the carpark. What were those buildings?

[@philipmallis]

These are called the Franklin Street stores and were built in the 1930s as wholesalers and offices. There might be more information in the heritage listing: vhd.heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/places/1211

[@herbnalis3723]

Still used as storage by market stall holders.

[@mudelta4068]

Maybe the sound is a little unclear, but did you say Stephenson St around 1:10? I believe it was Stephen St.

[@DeMews]

CC says Stephenson

[@philipmallis]

Yes sorry that was my mistake - it was Stephen Street

[@debbieanne7962]

Thought you were going to talk about all the flea markets that closed during COVID and never re opened lol. When visiting markets overseas haggling is very common but not in Australia? Certainly wouldn’t happen at South Melbourne market!

[@BatCaveOz]

I am confident the Otavalo Market in Ecuador is bigger than the Vic Market.

[@kayelle8005]

Since moving to Melbourne I’ve been trying to find a historical walking tour of my suburb Ascot Vale but haven’t found anything. Do you know anything of the history of Ascot Vale and Moonee Ponds?

[@Albon29yd]

Both were pretty dead. We lived in Albert Street Brunswick in 1956 and had many shops in Sydney Road and Lyon street including Coles, the Brunswick Baths then the largest in Melbourne and four large picture theatres all within walking distance. Best years of my life.

[@philipmallis]

I'd suggest starting with this great map from the Victorian Heritage Register that shows the locations of historic sites in a particular area. You can even put together your own walking tour. vhd.heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/

[@fatheranthony4pope]

What about the Fish Market on Flinders St?

[@maifantasia3650]

The newspaper article at 1:38 shows how much the English language has evolved, in a relatively short period of time.

[@kimsherlock8969]

Preston market is under pressure from big money investors. Wanting the land for profiteering from expensive apartments and change that wipes out the cultural heritage and beautiful Place to learn about discovering variety 😊😊😊😊

[@SLORTA5]

Council's should build and control these types of markets and never allow the private money in. They're just too important for local culture and freedom.

[@mathewferstl7042]

preston should build more housing, but does it really have to be on top of a historic market of all places

[@kimsherlock8969]

Homogenisation is sterile boring 😴 stuff . Preston Market is a place that cannot be ever replaced . Its a Historical treasure those whom love ❤ shopping there are now the new generations.

[@mathewferstl7042]

@@SLORTA5 exactly, new markets like this are not being built anymore, once lost, gone forever

[@heatherhoward2513]

If you've not done it, something about the Tea Gardens would be good.

[@philipmallis]

Thanks for the idea! What are the Tea Gardens? I've never come across that in Melbourne before, if you have any more information that would be great :)

[@samuelhall4140]

Is it just a coincidence that Queen Victoria Market is at the intersection of Queen and Victoria streets?

[@philipmallis]

Ha I never noticed that!

[@davidapswoude3259]

Queen Victoria Cemetery……

[@thericesquad]

Only the rich and famous were moved to Fawkner. The rest are still there. Protecting the site from development.

[@downeyd88]

We just had a small scaffold and an electric winch "supposedly" stolen by whelan the wrecker workers on a site, funny to hear the name in this story.

[@rumpleforeskin9543]

It's a graveyard?

[@Noosa21]

National Mutual Building 1967, .....not Suncorp!

[@fluxx4448]

Melbourne's Skateparks?

[@paulbata9649]

melbourne has been in freefall the last 10 years

[@cjames21]

It’s all just same same in Melbourne now…ugly apartment buildings with cheap glass and concrete facades 😢

[@alejorodriguez7262]

The largest outdoor market in the southern hemisphere that's very debatable. There are way bigger markets in South America

[@philipmallis]

Hi there, I take my information from multiple sources that include this claim. e.g. qvm.com.au/media-corporate/corporate/ If it's wrong please let me know and I'll happily correct!

[@frenchys_prospecting]

Robert Hoddle would have loved to play cities: skylines

[@justinrose1512]

Biggest in Southern Hemisphere . . . No Asian market is larger?

[@skyworm8006]

Look up a map of the Southern hemisphere. It doesn't include most of Asia. South America is a more relevant contender. However, 'biggest', etc. claims don't ever seem to be verified from what I can tell, they're just hyperbole.

[@Kinnibari]

Also note ‘biggest open air market’ not ‘biggest market’

[@debbieanne7962]

@@skyworm8006 Java is in the Southern Hemisphere with a population of 152 million

[@toddmortimer6720]

Would have been nice if someone decided to stick with putting more carparks in.