Melee DPS PVP Tier List - The War Within / supatease
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@nightraven4Ай бұрын
❤ my man, I was just thinking “wish there was a fresh tier list from supatease or venruki to watch rn”, refreshed home page and bam, there it is
@zargisan9017Ай бұрын
Venruki did one recently as well!
@volkanpalut1993Ай бұрын
really? every supa+ven tier list is rogue dk S tier their mains are a or b + . few a some b some c and done
@SeqqsyАй бұрын
cringe weirdo lol
@meattwinkie6208Ай бұрын
Ret is a ranged spec
@djbeduАй бұрын
This.
@wermissam1239Ай бұрын
No more
@jackdawson6652Ай бұрын
100% what are they doing
@Gunship888Ай бұрын
It’s a wet noodle tho so who cares
@t.ydunston2251Ай бұрын
Ret legit has more range than Evoker healing. 😂😂
@MacrossprimeАй бұрын
"enhance shaman isnt nearly as bad as you guys think!" proceeds to put it dead last place.
@skillUnitАй бұрын
we reworked enhance, its gone from worst to worst !
@stocky9803Ай бұрын
was about to comment the exact same thing haha
@Chris-oi2kxАй бұрын
if they call enhance meh to bad, they never really played the rework.
@nickfarace9339Ай бұрын
Survival is going to be very solid with hero trees. Everyone already knows about the huge self healing on pack leader, but sentinel with large target counts is going to be very hard to kill. When those debuffs start going off on like 5 targets and you get a 5% ho shield every SECOND thats going to be nuts. And its very easy to stack them in CA and you can have a 45sec CD on a 20 second duration CA. If no nerfs come, they are going to be bonkers.
@taz_traderАй бұрын
i hope survivial is just good enough, but not enough that it gets nerfed to hell
@dstreezy2049Ай бұрын
It’s not going to be bonkers lol. Have you played beta? I have.
@nickfarace9339Ай бұрын
@@dstreezy2049 cool
@ClassiccolinАй бұрын
The most consistent and to the point wow pvp youtuber on the scene by far. If there were awards for these things you'd be first. Supa we appreciate you man
@wagutoxDАй бұрын
TRUE!
@BoredonthejobАй бұрын
This content is super helpful for me who likes some challenge (I try to play B tiers) but doesn't want to cluelessly be playing a C/D tier. Appreciate this stuff. Thanks for posting. Talking specifically for BGs.
@nikmo7360Ай бұрын
Great take on the snares. Auto auto applied/spammable slows should be capped at 50%. Rogues also put up a 60% slow just by autoing people. 60+% snares on all mage slows do to frigid winds. etcc. People dont realize that 50%-60% is a massive difference since going 40% vs 50% is 20% slower. A 70% snare is going 40% slower than 50%.
@zanejackson8532Ай бұрын
The snares discussion was well thought out. good work supa.
@ForggeEsportsNutritionАй бұрын
So happy to hear Feral is tankier in TWW. In Dragonflight it literally felt like if you were even looked at you had to pop all your defensives and run away. Excited to try Druid of the Claw and actually do some damage while in Bear form too instead of just popping enrage regen and hoping for the best.
@krisumusicАй бұрын
You don't really do any damage in bear as Claw, but you are way tankier in both bear and cat, you will want to swap bear with fluid talent then back to cat next global and maintain some armor+hp buff from Claw talents. It feels great! I wish they change some things so you can do a BIG hit in bear form. I would love that!
@TeronGoreАй бұрын
Outlaw's adrenaline rush change which now requires you to have some haste a bit and it being the only no dot pure physical spec kinda hurt a bit but i think it'll be pretty good with war within tier set and hero talents
@TeronGoreАй бұрын
Also Survival after the armor changes just became like if you dont have bomb or explosive just stay away press kc, ks etc. Like it's not even worth to stay in melee range with survival idk how it will feel after the latest beta change with hero talents but i don't think it feels really good to press mongoose bite at all so it kinda sucks against melees
@Kevin-nr9hpАй бұрын
Aspect of eagle and better bombs and traps make the class more range now, but yeah I don’t like going in unless I really have to
@tonedubs6414Ай бұрын
*disclaimer* rogues he q'd into are some of the best rogue players in the game right now, it's easy to stop sub rogues if you just cc them on their dance or disrupt go's, so aside from that I think the list is very good 👍🏽
@mudfack28 күн бұрын
I agree. Subrogue isnt really in a good Spot Right now. The unbursty Meta isnt in Their favor. They can Hit quite hard, but their dmg from hero talents is unpredictable, which you dont want as a subrogue. On top of that all rogue specs got hit with a kidney shot nerf which will have a Great impact on all of the specs.
@Njore.Ай бұрын
Ah yes as a DH/Monk/hunter player I see my classes are doing well.
@serhii7210Ай бұрын
dude, dh was fvckn broken whole df...
@KanoogАй бұрын
@@serhii7210 "dude" bro man bro "dude" Rogue's have been "fvckn" (whatever that is) broken ever since BC Arena. You are over here trying to justify something with a poor example. The game is in a bad spot when Melee can't even play the damn game. But bro dude can't see the bigger picture.
@DraetharАй бұрын
Partywaffles was saying UDK lost its burstiness.
@AikicyoazАй бұрын
All dks?
@Prince-qk9xcАй бұрын
@@Aikicyoazunholy
@DraetharАй бұрын
@@Aikicyoaz UDK = Unholy
@darkcursse2709Ай бұрын
I've only played a few hours of survival the last few days on retail, only about 4 or so pieces of conquest and it feels good if you understand how to play it right. I didn't have much problem getting around the maps in epic bg's connecting with ranged thanks to the pet cd and well timed FD's. Explosive shot and WF Bomb do a fair amount of dmg from ranged and Aspect of the Eagle makes Mongoose Bite windows feel really nice when ppl run from yah, or your trying to kite a bit. Im no pro, just some average guy that enjoys the spec.
@taz_traderАй бұрын
I always wanted to play survival hunter, but so many people who played it would remind that it was too tedious to get results. So I just didn't play it. But trying it in prepatch its noticable how fluid it is compared to before for a new player. If anyone was avoiding it because of how difficult it seems give it a try right now. It's sick as hell in WPvP too
@davidschultz2198Ай бұрын
I'd play feral if the rotation wasn't so hard. There are so many builders and maintaining all those dots.
@krisumusicАй бұрын
It really isn't. It feels like second nature, and it's only 2 dots (3 with moonfire). Which you do anyway to proc bloodtalons (3 different builders in a row for damage buff on bites). Sure, alongside survival it's probably the most complex rotation. But it doesn't take too long to learn :)
@lucassoares6802Ай бұрын
So ww monks, fury and arms warrior, enhancement shaman and surv hunter share the same problem and it's not with the spec by itself Considering your insight about those classes, the real problem is frost mages and their endless roots, right?
@aaronrodriques5289Ай бұрын
if the mage root is gimping some melee so hard, how isnt ret higher off freedom+range alone
@odds87Ай бұрын
“Enhance isn’t as bad as people are painting it” - proceeds to put it literally last on the list
@stevenc5849Ай бұрын
Am I the only one that doesn’t think adding should be a thing in competitive pvp. Maybe in bg blitz wow should have an integrated BGE but idk. Been enjoying the beta 3s with no addons on every spec
@silencegaming3227Ай бұрын
Man I am so happy with frost dk, it feels like legion again I am in love
@KanoogАй бұрын
I don't consider a meta when melee are on 24/7 snare a fun one, it's frustrating as it is with every class having 100 CCs and now they have even more snare micro CC?
@wagutoxDАй бұрын
The snares... great insights! As a warrior main, I gotta say... I would rather have mage classes a bit tankier than untouchable (what you guys think?)... not being able to stay on target is just way too stressing and frustrating. Not only that, but you stay extremely exposed... not a fun exchange at all. Warriors feel good! But the the snares mechanics are bronken.
@NDM100Ай бұрын
For Warrior in BG/ RBG - the new Storm of Destruction tooltip says it reduces healing by 50% for 10 sec for all targets hit. So AoE sharpen if that is accurate, definitely good for RBG. Like S tier god mode good.
@gankkkkkАй бұрын
Love these videos. Thank you!
@ArlotharАй бұрын
Seems like losing Skyreach on Monk is feeling bad in Arenas, we got Clash now and it's really good but trading the Perma 10m TigerPalm that was making us very sticky to a 45 seconds CD root wasn't the best of ideas...
@hugo304Ай бұрын
Why would sub keep getting buffed? Especially with a gimmicky one shot as you mentioned. Historically that will be nerfed into the ground asap.
@jasonmendoza2044Ай бұрын
Generally you have to have the best gear and such to even be able to pull that off, it’s not as easy as people make it out to be when certain specs have that
@trito1203Ай бұрын
Not even best gear can 1 shot anymore atm. Every class has passive heal when stun. You go play 1 and will delete it within a week. Sub is CC bot rn with no dmg. Have you even seen any Sub rogue video lately? Only Assa.
@LectrikGamingАй бұрын
Frost mage default slow, Frost bolt, is 50% by default. All mages can increase this by 10% max with two talent points into Frigid Winds. Cone of cold slow up to a max of 80% for 5 second on a 12 second cooldown. Frozen Orb, 1 min cd with blizzard CDR, is a max of 40% slow. Most melee DPS have speed buffs atm in Retail along with gear speed so snares do not feel nearly as overpowered as in the past. I do agree that constant Roots that do not DR is overpowered. If it is possible for Ice Nova to be applied 4-6 times in a row I do think that it should have a 3 second internal immune with itself where after being rooted by Ice Nova once a melee cannot be rooted by Ice Nova again for 3 seconds. This would fix that you are talking about. Snares and Roots are separate and Snares are not nearly as good as in the past.
@temrax6228Ай бұрын
enhance does legit 0 dps c tier minimum
@caemeniumАй бұрын
Sad to see that once again Arms need holy paladin pocket healer to be able to move in BGs...
@Ridingthewaves305Ай бұрын
First time ever putting a melee dps as my alt second to a healer (holy paladin). I main healers but warrior is looking so much fun this xpac it’s going to be my primary alt
@ForggeEsportsNutritionАй бұрын
Great video!
@wildtejasxdАй бұрын
In terms of "rock paper scissors" as used in this context. What does that mean exactly? Does that mean you flat out win or all out loose?
@sumolover2973Ай бұрын
Sry but You are wrong Sub does NOT hit 3-4 mio Evis.
@jackvai2681Ай бұрын
i'll say what i always say... does anyone really believe after 20 years of cyclically nerfing and op-ing classes and specs that any of this is accidental! they could even out the classes and specs...but then what would we have to talk about!
@Erik-sx2ofАй бұрын
Talking about frost being so good, is that 2h frost or duel wield?
@Mens_Mindset98Ай бұрын
My bet its duel wield. Look at all the current duel wield talents in the tree right now.
@jham7411Ай бұрын
@@Mens_Mindset98Ugh I hope not.
@UNDEADWXRLORDАй бұрын
If its dual wield I'm still going 2h I'll make it work 😢
@nobrakestv8545Ай бұрын
Can enhance just one time sit comfortably in A tier. We live in c/b every xpac
@diegostrossen6751Ай бұрын
Enha will never be high tier because it's design philosophy doesn't fit with the most efficient damage profiles
@GrochuNFSWАй бұрын
First time? Feral here
@chocol8milkman750Ай бұрын
@Supatease - these rankings are supposed to be a normal distribution. If every spec is A-tier, then A-tier becomes average. Please use tiers C and D in the future with B-tier being the average. There should be as many specs in D-tier as their are in S-tier and same with C vs A. Most specs should be in B.
@cs4moАй бұрын
Play a warlock against any of these melee and then say there needs to be a c and d tier as you get trained to the ground before you cast 1 single chaos bolt and 38 minute cast time.😂
@ArraxulАй бұрын
@@cs4moI think the perpective that you use is different. I dont say its wrong. I myself think that meeles had too many Gap closers recently, because against sp/warlock they have 100% uptime .... Thats why I dont know why he complains so much about the slows etc in the Video. I agree Spam roots are Not good Gamedesign. But Most of the meeles have really high uptimes against Most casters imo (Warlock Main) Back to my Point. The PoV of the Ranking I think ist conparing the meeles in their category and thats why I think that the First comment also ist right because A does Not stand for average in a Tierlist.... So both of you are right but you have a different pov
@TheVeregatАй бұрын
@@cs4mo Warlock has been amazing in every expansion, ever.
@ArraxulАй бұрын
@@_Brayley No B should be the average/normal Tier for the specs because B is the middle of Most Tierlist and because of that Signals IT should be the middle.... If 80% of the Specs are ranked above B/average means that average is No longer the average/B Tier. A Tier should mean that these Specs in that tier perform better than average and S means way above average Same for C and D but reversed
@lucasskywalkercortez4533Ай бұрын
Enhancement is C at best. Terrible mobility, bloated rotation, very low damage, casted stun, casted hex as a melee, no MS, squishy, the list goes on and. No rework for it because its trash D tier but give it C for copium
@MillirawkАй бұрын
I really hope they dont massively nerf frost dk, it hasn't been good in SO long i want at least 1 season where its not flaming garbage
@velun2533Ай бұрын
This aged well after todays nerf
@karamelapple800724 күн бұрын
Ugh no timestamp for shaman
@SpilkesАй бұрын
Blizz pls dont nerf frost dk. Its a dream for me, i main a frost dk for years
@benkelly7182Ай бұрын
Do you really think they’re reading this? Or I guess it’s just sort of a fervent prayer lol
@MrCthom25Ай бұрын
General consensus! It’s time
@user-sf9ec2sq9bАй бұрын
Video idea that I would love to see: Possible new comps. Maybe changes like ret having more consistent wings would open op new comps that we havent seen? Cheers!
@DodgyDamRogueАй бұрын
I feel like what u say and where u place some of those specs on the tier list doesn't really add up lol
@krisumusicАй бұрын
I'm a melee, always, and I hate casters. My partner always plays mage. So there really is no choice for me if I wanna have fun. I can't play warrior or monk, i'd get mega CC'ed by the ineviteble caster meta. I must play feral or rogue and I prefer feral. Try playing warrior or something into rank 1 double casters. YOU WILL want to reroll to rogue/feral.
@TheVeregatАй бұрын
You can play melee to pretty high ratings. Any double rank 1 team is going to beat you regardless of their comp, unless you're on r1 level, which I highly doubt.
@volkanpalut1993Ай бұрын
classic dk and rogue hater supa. again placing them to s tier for asking nerfs easily :D
@johnr374Ай бұрын
Enhance dog per usual
@geeshanbandaraphotographer3925Ай бұрын
Omg yes please don't let Havoc DH go above B tier for all of TWW. If anything drop it to D tier
@Sourlife.Ай бұрын
Dude, i want to play PVP since MoP with my FDK and have no clue how to start it and what to do...how about a short guide how to get to pvp gear etc?!
@SolemlolАй бұрын
just queue up battlegrounds and buy honor gear then arenas/rated battlegrounds and buy conquest gear its that easy
@amesajr2Ай бұрын
same old brother... BGs till honor gear capped which literaly take one day... and then arena till conquest gear. GGs
@jham7411Ай бұрын
Aside from Honor grinding in Bgs, there are much faster ways. Make sure WM is on and do any daily pvp WQs that drop pvp gear, any daily pvp WQs that drop bloody tokens (one of these WQs drop like 700 tokens. You can buy gear for like 200 so that’s an easy 2 gear pieces for just 5 minutes of your time), the weekly trophy of strife quests that drop currency to spend on pvp gear, and weekly pvp quests from Malicia
@DanielizLeetАй бұрын
5 mins into the Melee tier list i've only heard about mage snares what is this
@jeremyk987025 күн бұрын
Because melee players suffer from snares. Him bringing up snares snares snares is good when making a pvp tier list.
@WhiteJacob007Ай бұрын
Game would be infinitely better without addons
@AverageChristyАй бұрын
Say more?
@WhiteJacob007Ай бұрын
@@AverageChristy Addons are like an arms race. Because some people can use them, everyone has to. If nobody could use them the game would be more accessible.
@AverageChristyАй бұрын
@@WhiteJacob007totally agree.
@KanoogАй бұрын
@@WhiteJacob007 I hate my screen being filled with fucking add-ons and everything is nearly impossible to always track. Arena was Pure during BC / Wrath, early arena when you could actually use a mental clock to time a CD like BoP or Block ect. Now its like OHHH add on blinked on my screen, add on blinked again, oh add on blinked again, it's like tracing as a artist. You are just following the lines.
@jasonmendoza2044Ай бұрын
Guess you’ve never used healbot as a healer
@nikolaypavlov352529 күн бұрын
I like it how you make a Video 'enh shamans are isane in tww' and then rate them last. Stop with the clickbait plz.
@ryan3371Ай бұрын
Demon hunters on bottom and frost dk on top? Im suddenly interested to play again
@codyk.8907Ай бұрын
Sub. S tier. lol. Nooooope
@krisumusicАй бұрын
Sub can oneshot on the beta currently, ok not oneshot but in a stun.
@codyk.8907Ай бұрын
@@krisumusicthat doesn’t make a class good. In order to one shot, you have to have the perfect set up. Even r1 players are stating that sub is trash.
@krisumusicАй бұрын
@@codyk.8907 I was watching and dueling rank 1 players on beta. Doesn't seem bad, but assa probably better. Some are making outlaw do insane too. I kid you not, warriors streaming were saying that warrior is the worst, while monk streamers saying ww is the worst,. Meanwhile, others claiming arms and fury is the best literally the day after. People's opinions are very wild and varied. Best is to spam arenas on the beta and get a feel for it :) I'm going feral!
@codyk.8907Ай бұрын
@@krisumusic moral of the story. Sub is not s tier though
@krisumusicАй бұрын
@@codyk.8907 only casters are probably S right now. From my experience as a melee 🙏🏻
@jcvm8915Ай бұрын
70% spameable slow is a nigthmare
@Forrest_94Ай бұрын
The game feels horrible on beta at the moment.
@RoguemaniaOfficialАй бұрын
Lol. Nahj was playing sub yesterday on stream and is dog water
@0Sixty6Ай бұрын
Why does everyone in this community add "dog" to something they want to say negatively? What's the point?
@johnathonfisher5748Ай бұрын
@@0Sixty6because it’s *dog*shit
@HKono_Ай бұрын
@@0Sixty6go hide under your rock
@RoguemaniaOfficialАй бұрын
@@0Sixty6 what? I'm not negative. I just saw a multi rank 1 rogue say it on stream how garbage sub is
@0Sixty6Ай бұрын
@@RoguemaniaOfficial oh, excuse me then. You may not be able to help me in that case. Just wanted to understand the correlation between dogs and negativity.
@Ozmaniac2kАй бұрын
Sub is trash how is it s tier
@krisumusicАй бұрын
Sub easily oneshots on the beta
@Ozmaniac2kАй бұрын
@@krisumusic really ? Nice
@sumolover2973Ай бұрын
@@Ozmaniac2kno he is full of shit it does not oneshot on Beta he is delusional…
@jamesb2894Ай бұрын
UH should be B tier. At best right now.... but that's normal ish.
@meattwinkie6208Ай бұрын
Chains of ice is Dk. Nerf all other snares
@ex6277Ай бұрын
Just make diminishing returns for roots and that can fix the problem
@xChachioАй бұрын
FDK bis
@lancemccarthy4751Ай бұрын
monks are better then this
@zionzorshin1579Ай бұрын
this list seems off
@jasonmendoza2044Ай бұрын
It’s going to be hard to make a solid list at this point in time, and in general they are always going to be in the person creating its opinion and experience
@jasonmendoza2044Ай бұрын
Nice Killua pic of tho 👌🏽
@MrZozotierАй бұрын
Nooo iwa nted to be first
@SupateaseАй бұрын
If you aren't first, you're LAST! - Ricky Bobby
@MrZozotierАй бұрын
@@Supatease facts
@yilmazraphael6896Ай бұрын
Survival B Tier is crazy that specc is bonkers already top dps in every M+
@cs4moАй бұрын
This is for pvp sir.
@HKono_Ай бұрын
Death knights being strong always results in pvp becoming as bad as possible
@carlobertolini7833Ай бұрын
Ofc... we got mages with crazy dmg / endless cc / crazy mobility / blinks like ultra insincts on top of invuln and crazy healing potential, yet the problem are dks. 🤡
@StealingYourWiFiАй бұрын
This happened recently right? I think Season 2 of shadowlands. Yeah that was not a fun time if i remember lmao..
@SIIKAP1Ай бұрын
@@carlobertolini7833they can both be a problem 🙄
@KanoogАй бұрын
@@carlobertolini7833 IT IS A PROBLEM - A Mage can be countered, it's a KNOWN FACT when a tank spec is S Tier PVP is by default worse. NOOOOO GOOD pvper likes when Tanks are viable.