Melee DPS PVP Tier List - The War Within

Melee DPS PVP Tier List - The War Within
/ supatease

[@nightraven4]

❤ my man, I was just thinking “wish there was a fresh tier list from supatease or venruki to watch rn”, refreshed home page and bam, there it is

[@zargisan9017]

Venruki did one recently as well!

[@volkanpalut1993]

really? every supa+ven tier list is rogue dk S tier their mains are a or b + . few a some b some c and done

[@Seqqsy]

cringe weirdo lol

[@meattwinkie6208]

Ret is a ranged spec

[@djbedu]

This.

[@wermissam1239]

No more

[@jackdawson6652]

100% what are they doing

[@Gunship888]

It’s a wet noodle tho so who cares

[@t.ydunston2251]

Ret legit has more range than Evoker healing. 😂😂

[@Macrossprime]

"enhance shaman isnt nearly as bad as you guys think!" proceeds to put it dead last place.

[@skillUnit]

we reworked enhance, its gone from worst to worst !

[@stocky9803]

was about to comment the exact same thing haha

[@Chris-oi2kx]

if they call enhance meh to bad, they never really played the rework.

[@nickfarace9339]

Survival is going to be very solid with hero trees. Everyone already knows about the huge self healing on pack leader, but sentinel with large target counts is going to be very hard to kill. When those debuffs start going off on like 5 targets and you get a 5% ho shield every SECOND thats going to be nuts. And its very easy to stack them in CA and you can have a 45sec CD on a 20 second duration CA. If no nerfs come, they are going to be bonkers.

[@taz_trader]

i hope survivial is just good enough, but not enough that it gets nerfed to hell

[@dstreezy2049]

It’s not going to be bonkers lol. Have you played beta? I have.

[@nickfarace9339]

@@dstreezy2049 cool

[@Classiccolin]

The most consistent and to the point wow pvp youtuber on the scene by far. If there were awards for these things you'd be first. Supa we appreciate you man

[@wagutoxD]

TRUE!

[@Boredonthejob]

This content is super helpful for me who likes some challenge (I try to play B tiers) but doesn't want to cluelessly be playing a C/D tier. Appreciate this stuff. Thanks for posting. Talking specifically for BGs.

[@nikmo7360]

Great take on the snares. Auto auto applied/spammable slows should be capped at 50%. Rogues also put up a 60% slow just by autoing people. 60+% snares on all mage slows do to frigid winds. etcc. People dont realize that 50%-60% is a massive difference since going 40% vs 50% is 20% slower. A 70% snare is going 40% slower than 50%.

[@zanejackson8532]

The snares discussion was well thought out. good work supa.

[@ForggeEsportsNutrition]

So happy to hear Feral is tankier in TWW. In Dragonflight it literally felt like if you were even looked at you had to pop all your defensives and run away. Excited to try Druid of the Claw and actually do some damage while in Bear form too instead of just popping enrage regen and hoping for the best.

[@krisumusic]

You don't really do any damage in bear as Claw, but you are way tankier in both bear and cat, you will want to swap bear with fluid talent then back to cat next global and maintain some armor+hp buff from Claw talents. It feels great! I wish they change some things so you can do a BIG hit in bear form. I would love that!

[@TeronGore]

Outlaw's adrenaline rush change which now requires you to have some haste a bit and it being the only no dot pure physical spec kinda hurt a bit but i think it'll be pretty good with war within tier set and hero talents

[@TeronGore]

Also Survival after the armor changes just became like if you dont have bomb or explosive just stay away press kc, ks etc. Like it's not even worth to stay in melee range with survival idk how it will feel after the latest beta change with hero talents but i don't think it feels really good to press mongoose bite at all so it kinda sucks against melees

[@Kevin-nr9hp]

Aspect of eagle and better bombs and traps make the class more range now, but yeah I don’t like going in unless I really have to

[@tonedubs6414]

*disclaimer* rogues he q'd into are some of the best rogue players in the game right now, it's easy to stop sub rogues if you just cc them on their dance or disrupt go's, so aside from that I think the list is very good 👍🏽

[@mudfack]

I agree. Subrogue isnt really in a good Spot Right now. The unbursty Meta isnt in Their favor. They can Hit quite hard, but their dmg from hero talents is unpredictable, which you dont want as a subrogue. On top of that all rogue specs got hit with a kidney shot nerf which will have a Great impact on all of the specs.

[@Njore.]

Ah yes as a DH/Monk/hunter player I see my classes are doing well.

[@serhii7210]

dude, dh was fvckn broken whole df...

[@Kanoog]

@@serhii7210 "dude" bro man bro "dude" Rogue's have been "fvckn" (whatever that is) broken ever since BC Arena. You are over here trying to justify something with a poor example. The game is in a bad spot when Melee can't even play the damn game. But bro dude can't see the bigger picture.

[@Draethar]

Partywaffles was saying UDK lost its burstiness.

[@Aikicyoaz]

All dks?

[@Prince-qk9xc]

@@Aikicyoazunholy

[@Draethar]

@@Aikicyoaz UDK = Unholy

[@darkcursse2709]

I've only played a few hours of survival the last few days on retail, only about 4 or so pieces of conquest and it feels good if you understand how to play it right. I didn't have much problem getting around the maps in epic bg's connecting with ranged thanks to the pet cd and well timed FD's. Explosive shot and WF Bomb do a fair amount of dmg from ranged and Aspect of the Eagle makes Mongoose Bite windows feel really nice when ppl run from yah, or your trying to kite a bit. Im no pro, just some average guy that enjoys the spec.

[@taz_trader]

I always wanted to play survival hunter, but so many people who played it would remind that it was too tedious to get results. So I just didn't play it. But trying it in prepatch its noticable how fluid it is compared to before for a new player. If anyone was avoiding it because of how difficult it seems give it a try right now. It's sick as hell in WPvP too

[@davidschultz2198]

I'd play feral if the rotation wasn't so hard. There are so many builders and maintaining all those dots.

[@krisumusic]

It really isn't. It feels like second nature, and it's only 2 dots (3 with moonfire). Which you do anyway to proc bloodtalons (3 different builders in a row for damage buff on bites). Sure, alongside survival it's probably the most complex rotation. But it doesn't take too long to learn :)

[@lucassoares6802]

So ww monks, fury and arms warrior, enhancement shaman and surv hunter share the same problem and it's not with the spec by itself Considering your insight about those classes, the real problem is frost mages and their endless roots, right?

[@aaronrodriques5289]

if the mage root is gimping some melee so hard, how isnt ret higher off freedom+range alone

[@odds87]

“Enhance isn’t as bad as people are painting it” - proceeds to put it literally last on the list

[@stevenc5849]

Am I the only one that doesn’t think adding should be a thing in competitive pvp. Maybe in bg blitz wow should have an integrated BGE but idk. Been enjoying the beta 3s with no addons on every spec

[@silencegaming3227]

Man I am so happy with frost dk, it feels like legion again I am in love

[@Kanoog]

I don't consider a meta when melee are on 24/7 snare a fun one, it's frustrating as it is with every class having 100 CCs and now they have even more snare micro CC?

[@wagutoxD]

The snares... great insights! As a warrior main, I gotta say... I would rather have mage classes a bit tankier than untouchable (what you guys think?)... not being able to stay on target is just way too stressing and frustrating. Not only that, but you stay extremely exposed... not a fun exchange at all. Warriors feel good! But the the snares mechanics are bronken.

[@NDM100]

For Warrior in BG/ RBG - the new Storm of Destruction tooltip says it reduces healing by 50% for 10 sec for all targets hit. So AoE sharpen if that is accurate, definitely good for RBG. Like S tier god mode good.

[@gankkkkk]

Love these videos. Thank you!

[@Arlothar]

Seems like losing Skyreach on Monk is feeling bad in Arenas, we got Clash now and it's really good but trading the Perma 10m TigerPalm that was making us very sticky to a 45 seconds CD root wasn't the best of ideas...

[@hugo304]

Why would sub keep getting buffed? Especially with a gimmicky one shot as you mentioned. Historically that will be nerfed into the ground asap.

[@jasonmendoza2044]

Generally you have to have the best gear and such to even be able to pull that off, it’s not as easy as people make it out to be when certain specs have that

[@trito1203]

Not even best gear can 1 shot anymore atm. Every class has passive heal when stun. You go play 1 and will delete it within a week. Sub is CC bot rn with no dmg. Have you even seen any Sub rogue video lately? Only Assa.

[@LectrikGaming]

Frost mage default slow, Frost bolt, is 50% by default. All mages can increase this by 10% max with two talent points into Frigid Winds. Cone of cold slow up to a max of 80% for 5 second on a 12 second cooldown. Frozen Orb, 1 min cd with blizzard CDR, is a max of 40% slow. Most melee DPS have speed buffs atm in Retail along with gear speed so snares do not feel nearly as overpowered as in the past. I do agree that constant Roots that do not DR is overpowered. If it is possible for Ice Nova to be applied 4-6 times in a row I do think that it should have a 3 second internal immune with itself where after being rooted by Ice Nova once a melee cannot be rooted by Ice Nova again for 3 seconds. This would fix that you are talking about. Snares and Roots are separate and Snares are not nearly as good as in the past.

[@temrax6228]

enhance does legit 0 dps c tier minimum

[@caemenium]

Sad to see that once again Arms need holy paladin pocket healer to be able to move in BGs...

[@Ridingthewaves305]

First time ever putting a melee dps as my alt second to a healer (holy paladin). I main healers but warrior is looking so much fun this xpac it’s going to be my primary alt

[@ForggeEsportsNutrition]

Great video!

[@wildtejasxd]

In terms of "rock paper scissors" as used in this context. What does that mean exactly? Does that mean you flat out win or all out loose?

[@sumolover2973]

Sry but You are wrong Sub does NOT hit 3-4 mio Evis.

[@jackvai2681]

i'll say what i always say... does anyone really believe after 20 years of cyclically nerfing and op-ing classes and specs that any of this is accidental! they could even out the classes and specs...but then what would we have to talk about!

[@Erik-sx2of]

Talking about frost being so good, is that 2h frost or duel wield?

[@Mens_Mindset98]

My bet its duel wield. Look at all the current duel wield talents in the tree right now.

[@jham7411]

@@Mens_Mindset98Ugh I hope not.

[@UNDEADWXRLORD]

If its dual wield I'm still going 2h I'll make it work 😢

[@nobrakestv8545]

Can enhance just one time sit comfortably in A tier. We live in c/b every xpac

[@diegostrossen6751]

Enha will never be high tier because it's design philosophy doesn't fit with the most efficient damage profiles

[@GrochuNFSW]

First time? Feral here

[@chocol8milkman750]

@Supatease - these rankings are supposed to be a normal distribution. If every spec is A-tier, then A-tier becomes average. Please use tiers C and D in the future with B-tier being the average. There should be as many specs in D-tier as their are in S-tier and same with C vs A. Most specs should be in B.

[@cs4mo]

Play a warlock against any of these melee and then say there needs to be a c and d tier as you get trained to the ground before you cast 1 single chaos bolt and 38 minute cast time.😂

[@Arraxul]

​@@cs4moI think the perpective that you use is different. I dont say its wrong. I myself think that meeles had too many Gap closers recently, because against sp/warlock they have 100% uptime .... Thats why I dont know why he complains so much about the slows etc in the Video. I agree Spam roots are Not good Gamedesign. But Most of the meeles have really high uptimes against Most casters imo (Warlock Main) Back to my Point. The PoV of the Ranking I think ist conparing the meeles in their category and thats why I think that the First comment also ist right because A does Not stand for average in a Tierlist.... So both of you are right but you have a different pov

[@TheVeregat]

@@cs4mo Warlock has been amazing in every expansion, ever.

[@Arraxul]

@@_Brayley No B should be the average/normal Tier for the specs because B is the middle of Most Tierlist and because of that Signals IT should be the middle.... If 80% of the Specs are ranked above B/average means that average is No longer the average/B Tier. A Tier should mean that these Specs in that tier perform better than average and S means way above average Same for C and D but reversed

[@lucasskywalkercortez4533]

Enhancement is C at best. Terrible mobility, bloated rotation, very low damage, casted stun, casted hex as a melee, no MS, squishy, the list goes on and. No rework for it because its trash D tier but give it C for copium

[@Millirawk]

I really hope they dont massively nerf frost dk, it hasn't been good in SO long i want at least 1 season where its not flaming garbage

[@velun2533]

This aged well after todays nerf

[@karamelapple8007]

Ugh no timestamp for shaman

[@Spilkes]

Blizz pls dont nerf frost dk. Its a dream for me, i main a frost dk for years

[@benkelly7182]

Do you really think they’re reading this? Or I guess it’s just sort of a fervent prayer lol

[@MrCthom25]

General consensus! It’s time

[@user-sf9ec2sq9b]

Video idea that I would love to see: Possible new comps. Maybe changes like ret having more consistent wings would open op new comps that we havent seen? Cheers!

[@DodgyDamRogue]

I feel like what u say and where u place some of those specs on the tier list doesn't really add up lol

[@krisumusic]

I'm a melee, always, and I hate casters. My partner always plays mage. So there really is no choice for me if I wanna have fun. I can't play warrior or monk, i'd get mega CC'ed by the ineviteble caster meta. I must play feral or rogue and I prefer feral. Try playing warrior or something into rank 1 double casters. YOU WILL want to reroll to rogue/feral.

[@TheVeregat]

You can play melee to pretty high ratings. Any double rank 1 team is going to beat you regardless of their comp, unless you're on r1 level, which I highly doubt.

[@volkanpalut1993]

classic dk and rogue hater supa. again placing them to s tier for asking nerfs easily :D

[@johnr374]

Enhance dog per usual

[@geeshanbandaraphotographer3925]

Omg yes please don't let Havoc DH go above B tier for all of TWW. If anything drop it to D tier

[@Sourlife.]

Dude, i want to play PVP since MoP with my FDK and have no clue how to start it and what to do...how about a short guide how to get to pvp gear etc?!

[@Solemlol]

just queue up battlegrounds and buy honor gear then arenas/rated battlegrounds and buy conquest gear its that easy

[@amesajr2]

same old brother... BGs till honor gear capped which literaly take one day... and then arena till conquest gear. GGs

[@jham7411]

Aside from Honor grinding in Bgs, there are much faster ways. Make sure WM is on and do any daily pvp WQs that drop pvp gear, any daily pvp WQs that drop bloody tokens (one of these WQs drop like 700 tokens. You can buy gear for like 200 so that’s an easy 2 gear pieces for just 5 minutes of your time), the weekly trophy of strife quests that drop currency to spend on pvp gear, and weekly pvp quests from Malicia

[@DanielizLeet]

5 mins into the Melee tier list i've only heard about mage snares what is this

[@jeremyk9870]

Because melee players suffer from snares. Him bringing up snares snares snares is good when making a pvp tier list.

[@WhiteJacob007]

Game would be infinitely better without addons

[@AverageChristy]

Say more?

[@WhiteJacob007]

@@AverageChristy Addons are like an arms race. Because some people can use them, everyone has to. If nobody could use them the game would be more accessible.

[@AverageChristy]

@@WhiteJacob007totally agree.

[@Kanoog]

@@WhiteJacob007 I hate my screen being filled with fucking add-ons and everything is nearly impossible to always track. Arena was Pure during BC / Wrath, early arena when you could actually use a mental clock to time a CD like BoP or Block ect. Now its like OHHH add on blinked on my screen, add on blinked again, oh add on blinked again, it's like tracing as a artist. You are just following the lines.

[@jasonmendoza2044]

Guess you’ve never used healbot as a healer

[@nikolaypavlov3525]

I like it how you make a Video 'enh shamans are isane in tww' and then rate them last. Stop with the clickbait plz.

[@ryan3371]

Demon hunters on bottom and frost dk on top? Im suddenly interested to play again

[@codyk.8907]

Sub. S tier. lol. Nooooope

[@krisumusic]

Sub can oneshot on the beta currently, ok not oneshot but in a stun.

[@codyk.8907]

@@krisumusicthat doesn’t make a class good. In order to one shot, you have to have the perfect set up. Even r1 players are stating that sub is trash.

[@krisumusic]

​@@codyk.8907 I was watching and dueling rank 1 players on beta. Doesn't seem bad, but assa probably better. Some are making outlaw do insane too. I kid you not, warriors streaming were saying that warrior is the worst, while monk streamers saying ww is the worst,. Meanwhile, others claiming arms and fury is the best literally the day after. People's opinions are very wild and varied. Best is to spam arenas on the beta and get a feel for it :) I'm going feral!

[@codyk.8907]

@@krisumusic moral of the story. Sub is not s tier though

[@krisumusic]

@@codyk.8907 only casters are probably S right now. From my experience as a melee 🙏🏻

[@jcvm8915]

70% spameable slow is a nigthmare

[@Forrest_94]

The game feels horrible on beta at the moment.

[@RoguemaniaOfficial]

Lol. Nahj was playing sub yesterday on stream and is dog water

[@0Sixty6]

Why does everyone in this community add "dog" to something they want to say negatively? What's the point?

[@johnathonfisher5748]

@@0Sixty6because it’s *dog*shit

[@HKono_]

@@0Sixty6go hide under your rock

[@RoguemaniaOfficial]

@@0Sixty6 what? I'm not negative. I just saw a multi rank 1 rogue say it on stream how garbage sub is

[@0Sixty6]

@@RoguemaniaOfficial oh, excuse me then. You may not be able to help me in that case. Just wanted to understand the correlation between dogs and negativity.

[@Ozmaniac2k]

Sub is trash how is it s tier

[@krisumusic]

Sub easily oneshots on the beta

[@Ozmaniac2k]

@@krisumusic really ? Nice

[@sumolover2973]

@@Ozmaniac2kno he is full of shit it does not oneshot on Beta he is delusional…

[@jamesb2894]

UH should be B tier. At best right now.... but that's normal ish.

[@meattwinkie6208]

Chains of ice is Dk. Nerf all other snares

[@ex6277]

Just make diminishing returns for roots and that can fix the problem

[@xChachio]

FDK bis

[@lancemccarthy4751]

monks are better then this

[@zionzorshin1579]

this list seems off

[@jasonmendoza2044]

It’s going to be hard to make a solid list at this point in time, and in general they are always going to be in the person creating its opinion and experience

[@jasonmendoza2044]

Nice Killua pic of tho 👌🏽

[@MrZozotier]

Nooo iwa nted to be first

[@Supatease]

If you aren't first, you're LAST! - Ricky Bobby

[@MrZozotier]

@@Supatease facts

[@yilmazraphael6896]

Survival B Tier is crazy that specc is bonkers already top dps in every M+

[@cs4mo]

This is for pvp sir.

[@HKono_]

Death knights being strong always results in pvp becoming as bad as possible

[@carlobertolini7833]

Ofc... we got mages with crazy dmg / endless cc / crazy mobility / blinks like ultra insincts on top of invuln and crazy healing potential, yet the problem are dks. 🤡

[@StealingYourWiFi]

This happened recently right? I think Season 2 of shadowlands. Yeah that was not a fun time if i remember lmao..

[@SIIKAP1]

@@carlobertolini7833they can both be a problem 🙄

[@Kanoog]

@@carlobertolini7833 IT IS A PROBLEM - A Mage can be countered, it's a KNOWN FACT when a tank spec is S Tier PVP is by default worse. NOOOOO GOOD pvper likes when Tanks are viable.