Melee TAS : Luigi is Viable

[@TalonsII]

Hardest part about getting better at Luigi on slippi is getting people to not leave the match the moment they notice you’re playing luigi.

[@sycophant8470]

He is one of the only characters with literally nothing fun about the matchup.

[@cowboyoctopus2738]

@@sycophant8470 not true the yiipeee is very funny

[@thanks_605]

@@sycophant8470 Like puff. Or falco. Or fox, marth, shiek,

[@mutedoesathing6535]

@@sycophant8470 puff, Marth, fox, sheik, any top tier. You’re talking pure copium

[@sycophant8470]

@@mutedoesathing6535 you are the one huffing copium man if you don't like all the top tier matchups play another fucking game.

[@samesu766white7]

The last stock of the first game truly goes to show how powerful Luigi is. That zero to death was godlike.

[@castleboat6472]

Reading this then watching was a treat. 😂

[@palkia9063]

Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing!!??

[@Sanncheztv]

You mean "TAZLIKE"🤔

[@AntonErgo]

Luigi would certainly be viable if side B was always a misfire.

[@Ouvii]

Yeah, just l2RNG manip

[@Bonk12381]

Luigi always was viable.

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Cope

[@Gotmilk0112]

@@IAm-zo1bo Rope

[@SillyGnome]

⁠@@Gotmilk0112 elope?

[@Jeduthunn]

@@SillyGnome Slope (y=mx+🅱️)

[@aikamist571]

Dope 🗿

[@siLveRscOpe13x]

Me: "Alright, I've spent some time practicing tech skill and movement. Time to go on unranked and see how I do." The random Luigi I meet in Unranked:

[@Monikfrun]

That chain grab on falco had to have been result of some unresolved trauma or something. That poor bird

[@dexenationgracey1979]

When you get 80 stocked by Mango.

[@gediboy5695]

Head trauma

[@Magibatproductions]

I just realized Luigi's voice is just Mario's voice pitched up

[@nicolasprudhon7544]

that's how siblings do it

[@IanZWhite00]

5:20 internet arguments with people who just say “no u”

[@rowrow_]

This video singlehandedly inspired me to learn luigi

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

When you realize the biggest competition to TAS "players" is blast zone damage

[@youtuberobbedmeofmyname]

1%... back to the drawing board I guess. ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

[@factandsuspicionpodcast2727]

Looks like my Luigi. At least the character model does . . .

[@redbull0300]

I feel like that grab chain against falco was personal. Fucking up all the netplay falcos you cant beat.

[@Demopugz]

As a Luigi main, I freaking love this!

[@jaxmyers2094]

as a luigi main, this is how i will always see luigi. even if its not in melee and some other mario game, it will always make me think of him like this.

[@andrewwebb624]

Yo this tas made me actually think about Luigi's dash dance, Luigi has a really weird property in that his initial dash is the same as his run speed, he starts at full speed. This is a pretty good property it makes his dash dance pretty easy to use imo and it actually has pretty good range, a little longer than sheiks I think. Plus the Uber long wavedash makes me feel like Luigi could mix both of those movement options well. I don't see most weejs use his dash dance often

[@fendour_]

Watch mad tyro. He implements a lit of dash dances into his luigi movement

[@pix9087]

The initial frames when turning around have horrible hitboxes. Sometimes dashing away will get you hit

[@noobtuber10]

With grabs it makes for some insane regrab stuff

[@57mac01]

@@pix9087 really? no wonder i always get hit when im dashing away from falcon knee even though it looks like i just cleared its range

[@nofuture4483]

2030 eddy mexico

[@VyxentheFox]

That little nudge kick on Marth's 3rd Stock 🤣

[@andrewprahst]

Luigi couldn't do that against a skilled Roy

[@cesita875]

Nobody: Luigi Wins by doing absolutely everything: 0:04

[@WorldEngine64]

AH YES, SO THIS IS WHY LUIGI'S BEST NEUTERAL TOOL IS HIS SPEED

[@King_k.o143]

Luigi's is viable if you know what you're doing and clearly this man knows what he's doing

[@littlemisseevee2309]

I mean its easier in tas

[@palkia9063]

@@littlemisseevee2309 Stop undermining TAS. He’s held so many records, you don’t understand.

[@littlemisseevee2309]

@@palkia9063 what?

[@palkia9063]

@@littlemisseevee2309 YOU HEARD ME

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@palkia9063 Thank you for explaining this to the f*rry, mighty Palkia.

[@flowerpowertoon]

luigi be like

[@andrescube64]

Luigi always has been viable, he’s to cracked

[@duck___e]

i think this video proves that luigi could most certainly be viable, he just has to be developed a lot more and it’s frustrating that people don’t really care to develop luigi because mid tier. (though i’m not one my self) more luigi mains please he has great potential. (even if he is argued to be viable)

[@chunk0354]

Luigi main right here 😎. I see you TAS, thats tight

[@ParadoxBoxx]

The best luigi at the moment is definitely eddy mexico but i don't think he's really pushing the character but rather carrying with fundamentals and hard reads. if you want to see the players developing him though, check out Mad Tyro and Jah Ridin'. They have a lot of potential.

[@illustrious-jaco]

i will carry the luigi torch

[@timoijas5316]

Nah what does luigi actually approach with? For example against sheik? He has good stuff but he can't be aggressive in some matchups or he'll lose straight away.

[@ParadoxBoxx]

@@timoijas5316 sheik is (in my option) Luigi’s best top tier matchup. they both edge guard each other really hard. in neutral a lot of it comes down playing around her shield with f tilt which is an amazing move. not to mention he has a better combo game on her early on than she does Luigi.

[@BalanceHeroSMT]

The Year of Luigi is every year.

[@nicolasn12]

Always has been. Anyway can you do Kirby next? also: 2:11 "So pointless"

[@protocetid]

Project+ TAS videos please

[@ethanpritt542]

This is art!

[@Apathy0000]

the taunt edge guard is crazy

[@ThatGuyWhoLovesMeTV]

Luigi sounds like my cat Michael

[@ethanpritt542]

Where did he get that 1% from? Pollution?

[@sehguh1290]

gotta love how luigi's voice in this game is just mario's from Mario 64 but high pitched Lol

[@evelynbatz2833]

Háganle el combo 0 to death que tiene en smahs ultimate.

[@Sly_Maverick_31]

The Luigi Dream

[@linebeck1381]

A skilled Luigi can beat any Roy.

[@dylanmuller2611]

THE MOONWALK UP+B IS SO FUCKIN PROPER LMAO

[@vinsanity3510]

That Luigi went full hulk/broly

[@gokuworld]

TAS Luigi in a real tournament💀

[@wavyboi]

there's actually some stuff in here that can be used for weeji mains

[@somebody_somewhere]

Absolutely terrifying, have a nice day

[@Claptain_Planet]

I would need intense therapy after facing this Luigi

[@BigFluffyShep]

As a Spacies player, I think if I was ever one the receiving end of the absolutely DISRESPECT of this Luigi I would permanently retire

[@dexenationgracey1979]

This isn't even Abate's final form.

[@RaFaReAcH]

With a title like that, I kind of assumed it would be a TAS showcasing human viable play to show Luigi's viability tho

[@chunk0354]

Luigi time

[@Zen-rl5pv]

Ngl that went pretty hard, luigi is legit

[@rocks6324]

This is every Luigi main's dream

[@TheStickCollector]

I will train to get to this level

[@zenithdude123]

luigi destroys all

[@undeadmatrix4]

Luigi taunt edge guard is fucking nutty

[@Hyperion856]

as horrible as that chain grab on falco looks it wouldnt be very easy to nail that many lol.

[@frogturtle]

Luigi wins by doing absolutely everything

[@peterbro2]

Uptilt is so sexy. His nair is legit an amazing move, and so is his dair.... And so is his downsmash. And fair.

[@masterquest91]

This was so satisfying

[@Beeeeevi]

luigi wins by doing absolutely everything

[@ohcomeon1111]

How does TAS work?

[@chunk0354]

I have a tutorial that kinda shows it kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XHmISbebRpmq8 But usually, you have an emulator record inputs, you play the game in slow motion or 1 frame at a time, and you try sections over and over until you get it the way you want.

[@ohcomeon1111]

@@chunk0354 thanks

[@scottjolteon9033]

isn't that just jah ridin playing?

[@lucherren9871]

probably just a vod from him

[@chargemankenia]

Luigi is super cool in melee, he's literally a troll character in the Game, just watch that Fox Match!

[@squintzrules7326]

see, if the Luigi had simply been any Fox instead Roy would have won that.

[@doeg9369]

Bro Luigi is SS plus Tier in my book always

[@Ivanhoenn]

You're telling me this ISN'T Eddy Mexico?

[@cherryblossomtherum5260]

1:56 YIPE-

[@joemanginaa]

CPU with the Homie DI

[@kssb9050]

How is misfire so consistant?

[@chunk0354]

I just did side b, and if it didn’t work I waited another frame before trying it. So really it’s just luck but you keep trying on different frames until you get a favorable outcome.

[@peterbro2]

question: under what circumstances is nair up b a true combo?

[@chunk0354]

On fast fallers, it's a fairly easy combo. At around 100% you can hit a fast faller with a late nair which will send them just slightly up, then L cancel the landing, jump and Up B. Not sure if it works on other character types, but its not too difficult on fast fallers

[@creativemusicchannelplaceh8207]

This an Abate or Eddy combo video??

[@Ninjakurl7]

i still get more misfires the the tas

[@zombies4evadude24]

0:30 😂😂 2:28 5:31 Were those even necessary? 😅 2:46 How did he take damage? 🤔

[@chunk0354]

2:28 5:31 imo… ye 😎 You slowly take damage from the blast zone if you are near it

[@marcusjackson3053]

how?

[@chunk0354]

Playing the game one frame at a time and redoing sections over and over until it works good

[@aznphate]

Tas can honestly make any character look viable. Also have to keep in mind that the cpu isn’t DI-ing (not that it would matter against a tas) but something a real person would have to deal with making combos infinitely harder.

[@chunk0354]

20XX mod CPUs do DI and SDI, that’s part of why it was chosen for this

[@peterbro2]

Falco went back and forth all over the stage during the downthrow destruction phase. You can see it trying to do hard and slight DI to get out.

[@smew1786]

just a causual chaingrab to 300+. no biggy.

[@phike3390]

Standmaster: Abate Standname: 1in7

[@luisnavarro4522]

Yo this mf crazy

[@LordFartamor]

VeryPog

[@TheMr.Wichis64]

Qué épico

[@BrunoDGames]

slowest luigi player in ohio

[@Sanncheztv]

YIPIEEEEEEE

[@scythea428]

1:24

[@gigiratliff5801]

Yippeeeeee

[@goodasdead4303]

FINALLY I HAVE EVIDENCE MY FRIEND USED TO BULLY ME WITH THIS EXACT BULLSHIT AND ALL OF THAT 0 FRAME BS PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH I STOPPED PLAYING SMASH

[@Pyrodiac]

Very cool, TAS but showing a TAS of a character and then saying said character is viable doesn't make sense. It was against a CPU no less. I think.

[@chunk0354]

It's just the naming scheme im goin with for all of these

[@harrisonfast3278]

🔥

[@gracieulmer4936]

it’s 1:25 for me lmaoooo

[@slavtrooper9566]

Poggers

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Non tas fox kills faster

[@rafaelblackman9879]

No, Luigi is wack.

[@tillerlol]

skill issue

[@robmellor6618]

ᴘʀᴏᴍᴏsᴍ

[@galaxian23]

dear god 3:07

[@Mario2980]

Wack

[@mystraunt2705]

If this is the best luigi can do then he is a garbage character and will never win a major

[@dontcaremate]

bruh why so mad 💀

[@mystraunt2705]

@dontcaremate lol i dont even remember writing this comment. Must have been having a bad day

[@dontcaremate]

@@mystraunt2705 lmao fair, no need to do my boy luigi like that

[@dylanreed2581]

ive been trying to learn luigi for a bit but wavedashing always messes me up, any tips on how to get more consistant wavedashes?

[@chunk0354]

What happens when you try to do em? My recommendation is to just do a TON of wavedashes in practice, and I mean a lot. That being said, here's a troubleshooting guide on what causes each of these Rolling - hit the trigger too soon jumping - hit the trigger before Shielding during the wavedash - held the trigger too long

[@dylanreed2581]

@@chunk0354 thanks! usually i jump or even air dodge but after trying some more i think i got it down, thanks!

[@anacc9261]

Did smash players learn about wave dashing from TAS ?

[@chunk0354]

Nah, I believe it was found only a few months after the game's release. Was posted about in a Japanese forum and Sakurai himself responded to said post that he was aware of it

[@anacc9261]

@@chunk0354 wow. Gamers found the most viable move in melee history in only a couple months

[@UnBR0k3enAngel]

@@anacc9261 I mean...wavedash is bananas and all, but Meele didn't get really sexy until the community learned about L-cancel.

[@youtuberobbedmeofmyname]

This is what it feels like to keep losing to Marth players as Fox.

[@RodriMartii]

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