Mellophone vs Flugelhorn

[@braydn8277]

What why is the mello in e flat, you should have gotten one in f ./.

[@zfu3925]

Red Frosty i know its a bit late but in his description he mentions how he says its Eb in the video but its actually in F

[@braydn8277]

oh lol my bad

[@littlemisskimmycat78]

It is in F. He made a mistake on the video, but corrected it in the description.

[@drdougjue]

The last time I played a mellophone was when I was in high school (1960). Then, the instrument resembled a french horn with pistons. Personally, its tone was not mellow and I went on to play the french horn, baritone horn and trombone. Later I noticed that two instrument were modified to play in the band: the marching melophone which you have and the flugelbone which resembled a base trumpet and sound like stuffy trombone. The marching melophone was just straightening out the classical one so this is why the flare of the bell is so large. I recall that the mouth piece was half way between the size of a trumpet and a trombone. I really love to watch your presentations of instruments I knew about but never heard them played. I would like to hear the difference between a soprano trombone and a slide trumpet. Bach made them both and the trombone cost more. Are they different in bore.

[@freddielo4330]

at 1:49 when you play the concert F scale on both instrument, I notice that the fingering on the mellophone appear be be that it is an instrument in F...do I have something messing my mind, or did you mistaken that it is a Eb instrument..?

[@TrentHamilton]

+Freddie Lo Hi Freddie, I've just double checked, and you're right :)

[@mr.igohard6958]

+Trent Hamilton so this is a mellophone in the Key of F

[@Gamest_crew]

Freddie Lo kmnf

[@rainaliao8513]

Freddie Lo a

[@iplayfhorn]

The horn he has looks exactly like the one I played when I was in 12th grade. It was the only one which hadn’t had to have the bell fixed.

[@guitarmansegovia]

The first time I ever saw a march-mello, I thought it was some kind of ultra flugelhorn (at the time I played a true marching French horn, and noticed off the bat this wasn’t what I played). I respect mello a bit better than I used to, but I’m still in the B-flat marching French horn camp.

[@douglasfur3808]

Aw, the enduring charms was quite sweet on the mellowphone. I could hear it at twilight of a late summer day from a small country bandstand. Some notes are like static, you just need to listen around them.

[@MH-iv7tk]

Hi trent as you probably know ghe mellophone is used in marching bands as a replacement for french horn, is it the same tubing length or an octave higher?

[@matthew0757]

A Mellophone is in F most of the time I played the same model and it was in F/

[@marten594]

Conn 16E, is a F/Eb horn. From 1957 or so. Not all of them have the Eb tubing still in the case though

[@jean-pierredevent970]

Clear demonstration !! Thomann sells a marching horn MHR-302 L in Bb which is so an octave lower than a flugelhorn. We lack French horns in our amateur symphonic orchestra and I wonder if the sound would be close enough to that of a French horn but there are no reviews of it on KZbin.

[@hayesman76]

I kept thinking it sounded like you were playing “The First Noel” a few times at a certain spot while playing the composition.

[@JonFrumTheFirst]

The bell shape stops mattering long before the mellophone bell finishes its curve. The mellophone bell was desigined for appearance, not for sound. It was supposed to make you think of a french horn straightened out.

[@jamsace1001]

Im a bit of a skeptic, sorry😅. But where did you learn this from?

[@RogueBrit]

In DcUk bands the two are very closely paired together, sometime in arrangements one would take the lead over the other. The Mellowphone really projects across the field where the Flugelhorn not so much

[@brotherb9548]

But did anybody catch the tune he is playing at 3:12? That tune was in an old Bugs Bunny cartoon, where the piano was rigged to explode when he (Bugs Bunny) hits the last note of this tune(of course it never did on him but on the other guy); soon as I recognized him playing it, i was waiting for the 💥 on that last note!😆

[@gonikassif8527]

Yessssss wondered where I recognized it

[@cladiax1]

lol try to find and review a king 1122 marching french horn, thing plays like the worlds warmest mellophone, and easiest to play french horn, but they're a bit jarring to hold

[@basstrumpet1]

what model of flugelhorn is .?

[@frozenfeet4534]

2:41 So if larger bell = fuller sound, why are, say, trumpet bells not that large?

[@TrentHamilton]

+Garen Crownguard There are many aspects that go into the type of sound that an instrument makes. If a trumpet had a bell this large, they would lose their characteristic edge, but perhaps gain more fullness, and a whole host of intonation problems, I imagine.

[@iplayfhorn]

I wonder what a flugelhorn with a mellophone bell branch and flare would sound like? I wonder if somebody may have built a "franken-horn" already and answered either here, or somewhere else?

[@AndrewOgden]

Part of that difference is due to the bell taper and a greater bell surface area on the mellophone...more of the sound will naturally be reflected back to the musician, and the faster taper of the Flugelhorn will eliminate more of the overtones.

[@johnsmith6586]

i was almost expecting the horn to explode on that certain note on "Those Enduring Young Charms"

[@UpcomingJedi]

So!...what if...you stick the mellophone mouthpiece in the flugelhorn? I use one (Mellophone M3) in my cornet and it reduces the 'brightness' which decreases the hissiness of the cornet.

[@josephgoskowsky4870]

I have a G mello, it is the one I played in Drum and Bugle Corps. I still have a few of each G horns

[@samanthabree1246]

Joseph Goskowsky G mellos have a way different timbre though, primarily because of the long, open tube loop. They sound imo more like french horns.

[@jaysen2112]

What kind of organ is in the back there?

[@ajlewis5446]

Do you guys use marching baritones/contrabass bugles at all in Europe? they are both very common in the U.S.

[@TheCreeperPig]

Have you ever/can you do a video on growling? Specifically on trombone, but in general I assume would be fine.

[@TrentHamilton]

+Antique Sofa I've done one on multiphonics.

[@tbonetime3568]

i thought the humming was an ac unit

[@youtoobread6975]

TechNically speaking it is

[@xXEpicMehXx]

Can you review a marching French horn?

[@sfm4life613]

That's what the mello takes the place of in a marching band

[@xXEpicMehXx]

SFM 4Life No, marching french horns are like mellos, but more conical and only accept french horn mouthpieces

[@braydn8277]

+EpicMeh mate.., you can slap in a French horn mouthpeice on a mello but it sounds like shit

[@xXEpicMehXx]

Red Frosty No believe me they are like Bb french horns except with piston valves and the bell faces the front. It's shaped like a mellophone, but the mouthpiece receiver thing is too small to accept a mello mouthpiece. I know Hebron HS used them, and know no other examples but i do know that they exist

[@braydn8277]

OH, if you would have said horn in bflat i would have understood boi, we played a calico toon with a b flat horn part. i havnt seen one though but i just learned something new, thanks dude

[@thedummys8060]

This Video is awesome

[@matti513]

This may be a stupid question, but when I play on the euphonium I'm slightly sharp, any tips? (I don't think this matters, but I use a Bach 12C mouthpiece, I'm fairly new.)

[@TrentHamilton]

+Matt I Brass instruments have a tuning slide which you can extend to flatten the instrument to get around this.

[@matti513]

+Trent Hamilton I know about the tuning slide, but what about my embouchure

[@TrentHamilton]

There are some notes that will always be slightly sharp, and others which will be flat. Not every note will be in tune. That being said, if everything is sharp or flat, then the best way to deal with it is either to have someone look at the way you produce notes, or to adjust your tuning slide.

[@ChaplainAcosta]

The mellophone sounds like a (french) horn. Hmm.

[@studdies4449]

it's a french horn but it's used for marching band

[@Defnotken]

it’s literally a marching french horn

[@RJ-xl2cd]

Well it’s what French Horns play in marching band

[@ChaplainAcosta]

@@Defnotken Umm...nice Google pic. LOL

[@datGuy0309]

studdies a french horn has more tubing giving it more harmonics in the same register and generally a more distant sound

[@seanhendricks2714]

Just so you know, kelly has made tenor, bass, and contrabass trombone mouthpieces. Just an idea for a future video.

[@joelsookdeo7498]

This is really good, thanks.

[@SpiderPigRS]

Blessing 5 looks like

[@jamessharp1321]

Hey Trent what's your take better quality sound name flugle horns. On a budget

[@dingusdingus2152]

To get a true comparison between them you gotta really wail on them, open them up full throttle and let's hear forte fortissimo. Imagine you're standing on the 50 yard line of the biggest game of the season and the stadium is packed with 100,000 screaming fans. The band better be able to pop the buttons off their shirts and part their hair a different way

[@DNKG669]

you comment this like this video isn't 6 years old

[@dingusdingus2152]

@DNKG699 my comments are timeless and are just as apt now as they would have been in 6000 bc😅

[@DaBigMilk]

Having a mellophone in e flat isn’t normal for mellos usually key of f or they have b flat ones too also with early models in the key of g

[@xthatghomiex2939]

What I want to know is, can you put a trumpet/flugel mouthpiece in the mello and take advantage of the lower range?

[@iplayfhorn]

A lot of mello players use trumpet mouthpieces (we did when I was in high school marching band), and thus have a brighter tone than they would using a mellophone mouthpiece (kinda like when somebody plays a flugel with a trumpet mouthpiece; you lose the darker mellower sound). If you listen to some of the old shows of the Blue Devils, their mellophones almost sound like sopranos, especially in the upper register.

[@xthatghomiex2939]

@@iplayfhorn Okay, cool, thank you so much!

[@marlon94124]

Do both musical instruments play on the treble clef?

[@jessenelson8906]

Would you recommend monel, nickel plated or chrome material for piston valves and why do you answer?

[@condormovies]

How do you switch between different mouthpiece sizes and still sound good

[@wt4629]

If you correctly shape your embouchure, switching between mouthpieces isn't as difficult. There's a maximum and minimum size that each player can successfully use without practicing for many hours on each size. Flugelhorn and mellophone mouthpieces are similarly sized.

[@ajacksplays.1266]

Mellophone sounds flat

[@degobeats425]

mellophones are trash when in comes to tuning

[@guitarmansegovia]

DEGOBEATS that’s why marching French horns are better.

[@blu3620]

0:01 Mellophone is called mellphone

[@mambojazz1]

@@guitarmansegovia Mellophone is a marching French Horn

[@guitarmansegovia]

@@mambojazz1 there is a difference...mello is constructed differently than horn and uses its own specialized mouthpiece, while a B-flat marching French horn natively uses a French horn mouthpiece. I own a B-flat marching horn, and have played both. Mello became popular because it is far easier to play than horn.

[@DrKCostas]

WHAT ABOUT PLEASE A COMPARISON BETWEEN A MELOPHONE IN E-FLAT AND AN ALTO/TENOR HORN IN E-FLAT OR SOLO HORN IN E-FLAT? AS ALL THE PREVIOUS ARE IN E-FLAT.

[@ajacksplays.1266]

I play flugelhorn and I love it so forgive me if I'm a bit biased

[@iplayfhorn]

I’ve played both, and prefer the flugelhorn (yeah , I know, that’s blasphemy; sue me. 🤣🤣🤣). The Blue Devils replaced their mellos with flugels a couple of times (as well as their french horns), and also used a hybrid “frankenhorn” called a “Meehaphone,” named after their brass caption head (I think). It looked sort of like a big flugelhorn (there are pictures on the interwebs).

[@sceu25]

@@iplayfhornYep named after John Meehan. Basically if a flugelhorn had to fit DCI 1980’s rules.

[@artemi-music]

thanks a lot

[@recordman555]

A mellophone is basically a cornet with a French horn bell.

[@lukadoodle5851]

Could a regular bb trumpet player switch to a mellophone or flugelhorn?

[@TrentHamilton]

Yes

[@HeyItsANerd]

SilverSociopath Fingerings are relatively similar

[@joshdouden8406]

SilverSociopath usually (at least in America) French horn players will switch to mellophone, I'm not sure about flugelhorn because I've never seen one

[@braydn8277]

Flugal horn yes, mello it will take practice... mouthpieces are different. The mellophone is ment for a more French horn sound. Imagine going from alto to tenor sax... or alto to soprano sax... a instrument in key or e flat, to b flat. It will be different but it's fine

[@SWMP1523]

It would be easier for a trumpet player to switch to the flugelhorn because it plays in the they of Bb and has identical fingerings, the mello (in this case) is in Eb and it's fundamentals and fingerings are slightly different and the music is read didfferently

[@Joiblim]

hi how are you im from Bolivia i need help i want to know about the schiller brand you know someting please make a vídeo about the diferent brands of instruments un the market thanks (sorry for the bad english)

[@TheWorstThrowEver]

+Joel Ibañez Here's all you need to know about Schiller: Schiller is a brand marketed by Jim Laabs and his store Jim Laabs Music. They are made in china by a company called JinBao, and are what we often call "stencil horns". JinBao can make some great instruments, but their quality control is not very good. Different companies who buy and sell these instruments check them for quality and provide better customer service. The best resellers are Mack Brass (based in the US) and Wessex Tubas (based in the UK), then you have people like Schiller (again, based out of the US) and Sterling (based out of Australia) among others. Finally the cheapest, but riskiest option is to buy directly from the wholesalers using Aliexpress.com or Alibaba.com. Trent does have a video on these horns, look at the video about the bach stradovarius clone trumpet. I personally own a Wessex trumpet, a Sterling alto trombone, and a superbone I bought from a wholesaler and they are all very nice instruments. I can say though that the Wessex is far better than the others, and all the instruments I played when I visited their showroom were similarly good.

[@Joiblim]

+TheWorstThrowEver thanks really its tru are cheap instruments but look so nice hahha thanks

[@ajlewis5446]

+Joel Ibañez if you buy say... The mack brass one, btw tom from mack brass takes customer service very seriously, you just need to give it a bath when you get it, and replace water key corks and valve felts and maybe springs (not expensive things), then you'll be good to go

[@echoforceoverwatchcoaching5874]

Hi Trent I just wanted to know if i go into jazz band like I plan is it worth it to rent/buy a bass trombone

[@TrentHamilton]

+RTC Gaming Renting is a fine short-mid term solution.

[@entitledbobcat]

There's a three different shapes the mellophones Conor's in, and each has a different sound compared to one another. The one in the video has a more trumpet like sound; where are there's one that's shaped more like a coronet and a flugelhorn and is less trumpet like, and then there's one with a shape somewhat similar to a flugelhorn (this is the biggest of the three) and has a more horn like sound. Then the bell size and how it flares off also contributes to it. A more gradual flat, similar to that of a horn (in F) will sound more horn like than the ones that flare off like a trumpet. Mellophones are a really interesting breed. Our school had one that has a shape like the one you have, and it actually sounds nothing like a mellophone should. 1. The entire thing itself is bent and lopsided It sounds like a damaged trumpet. I think it was dropped from the bleachers and landed on its bell years ago.

[@masonshatney3074]

Mellophone vs. F alto horn?

[@lukadoodle5851]

For some reason it won't let me reply to your comment Trent, so I have another question. Would it be insanely hard or anything to switch to a flugelhorn? I read up on it and it says it has the same note range and fingerings.

[@TrentHamilton]

No, it will be be pretty manageable. The range and fingering is identical; just a different sound.

[@tomtoms15]

One key question Why most bands who had a brass section ( kc and sunshine, miami sound machine, the oc supertones, buck, the insyders ) never included these two instruments. Also i cant think of anybody who plays these instruments and is famous. Almost as if these two instruments are in the dark

[@marten594]

Famous people on flugelhorn: Ack van Rooyen and Clark Terry About the horn section question: I guess you need bite and attack from horns (those would be saxes, trombones and trumpets), and big band jazz timing for most arrangements, and a flugel will not give you the bite, and I know no jazz player who owns a mellophone. Oh and there's the parts writing thing: do you write for mellophone in Eb, or in F? Mind you, the instrument started as F/Eb instrument, the Conn 16E. Can still be found on ebay

[@LittleWhole]

A bit off topic, but what are you running on your servers? Lol

[@justinw6590]

What mouthpiece is on that mellophone?

[@iplayfhorn]

A true mellophone mouthpiece is around the same size as a trumpet mouthpiece, but has a deeper cup, similar to that of a french horn mouthpiece.

[@richardgordon8110]

I LIKE THIS GUY.

[@mrdonut1533]

Did anyone notice what it said on his shirt?

[@darylynn621]

Over haul it, clean it, well, see how it behaves . Olds used good metals , no reason to fear metal fatigue , Red brass rot etc. I would be tempted to play treble clef trumpet/cornet music and see how it blends/ harmonizes with. the other horns parts. Taint Skeerd of new sounds . Glad to see you up and about.

[@tawan2k6]

mellophone vs French Horn vs alto horn vs alto trombone please.

[@Jayiitee_]

Mellophone sounds a bit more fuller. Other than that they sound very similar (Edit) oh, he already said that. My bad 😅

[@Socksshoesandhats]

Trumpets, French horns, Flugel horns, and Mellophones are all true horns, Tenner Cons, Baritones, and Tubas are all heavy or false horns, and the trombone and sackbut are slide horns.

[@TrentHamilton]

+Socks, shoes, and hats What a load of rubbish.

[@Socksshoesandhats]

+Trent Hamilton Eh, your right... My friend told me it, so it HAS to be wrong. What's wrong with it though? I'm getting a bit curious.

[@TrentHamilton]

Socks, shoes, and hats There's no such category of instrument as true horns, false horns etc. that I've ever heard of.

[@Socksshoesandhats]

+Trent Hamilton Oh, okay. I'll tell him... And aren't cors more like sousaphones than Mellophones?

[@Samplehorse]

Can someone send him a proper mellophone in f? Like, a Jupiter or something. Odd brand but it's the best to capture the marching band feel

[@rukia997]

Samplehorse read the description

[@moisesvillalaz3427]

Hello friend . Your sound is not diferent , because use the same moutpiece for the mellophone an the fuglehorn .

[@pancakepredator8474]

Mellophones are in F...?

[@ryansahara7784]

there are different kinds of mello's normal mello's are in f sometimes in b flat, but e flat mello's are a replacement for baritones

[@entitledbobcat]

They come in Bb and Eb, and I've even seen G, but he mentioned he meant to say key if F In the description. :)

[@romancenturion8]

they dont't make mellophones in Bb. They do however have marching french horns in Bb but in reality they're in f because they're the Bb side of a double horn that's played in F.

[@xXEpicMehXx]

I've seen mellos in Bb I think king made a few

[@romancenturion8]

If they're BB They're not mellos, they are marching French horns which are somewhat smiliar in looks but actually very different. Even though Bb marching horns are in Bb (duh) they're mostly (but really always) played in F since it's the same fingerings as the Bb side of a concert horn.

[@noahaskew11]

most mellos are in f

[@tereo6749]

It was a mistake in the description he says instead of being in Eb but in F

[@trumpetplayerdude9838]

well before the vid starts I know the mellophone's bell is much larger and it's a melower sound

[@andymayeuxproductions]

You uploaded this 3 am my time

[@sdproductions7236]

Mellphone at the beginning

[@cyborgjonny]

Play bride of waves

[@camdenreed9262]

hi

[@connorarnold9362]

you forgot a o in mellophone in the intro

[@stevedickson4744]

If you took them both outdoors and had the microphone 100 yards away, you'd soon capture the true intent of the mellophone. Flugels are better indoors and more of a soloist instrument, mellophones are better in a line of about 12 of them playing FFF and pushing the bleachers back 10 feet.

[@sirwaffle2492]

All i heard was bark

[@leo_lcw]

I can't hear the different

[@andrewdavidson8854]

Mellophone sounds like a trumpet and French horn had a love child...

[@iplayfhorn]

More like spawn of the devil. :-D

[@pepsicola6951]

What this scottish dude calls bells, my country calls it mouth

[@awesome123cool100]

MELLOPHONE

[@calebadeleye]

Almost thesame sound

[@paulgrimm6850]

Close. The Mellophone needs tuning . It’s flat

[@Cjc-ln5hi]

At least you actually know not to blast the mellophone

[@louisthomas367]

the flute is sharp

[@scotdixon777]

Then yank it out some! (Tune it.) And BTW, what flute are you talking about?

[@jimmyschmidt14]

dang mellephone is way better. but then ur out of the trumpet family.

[@kimbranch1842]

You should move back so we can see the full insturment exsepsially with trombones

[@ninzo182]

That shirt thou

[@laneburnett7528]

The way you put your fingers on the valves triggers me so much didn’t you learn to curl them ? 😂😂😂