Melmetal Is the Result Of The Kalos War?! - Pokemon Theory

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

I have a potential video idea: Pokémon that shouldn’t be in their regional Pokedexes. Example: Beldum isn’t actually native to Hoenn. Can’t be found anywhere except as a gift from Steven.

[@Ian-bf4yk]

Almost all starters.

[@theeverywhere4391]

I like this idea, you should message him on Twitter about it

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

The Everywhere I’d love to! But I’m not signing up for twitter just for that.

[@theeverywhere4391]

Cylasbreakdown ohh i thot u already had one

[@theeverywhere4391]

But its still a good idea

[@stormaurora189]

Okay, so there are a couple of details in the legend of the twin heroes that I think are worth mentioning here. According to dialogue from Drayden and Ghetsis, the twin heroes were the ones who founded the Unova region, bringing together "a world full of warring people". Afterwards, they had their disagreement over truth and ideals, and the original dragon split into Reshiram and Zekrom (with Kyurem left over). Their fight "sundered the region in two". If you split the Unova region in half, whether vertically or horizontally, the Relic Castle and Abyssal Ruins are on opposite halves of the region. So, it makes perfect sense for the Relic Castle and the Abyssal Ruins to be the castles that each respective brother used during their conflict. It's said that the Relic items, found in the Abyssal Ruins, were created around 3,000 years ago, i.e., the time of the great Kalos war. Perhaps, then, Unova was founded around this time - the reason the people of the region were warring may have been because they were participating in the Kalos war. After it ended, the twin heroes took charge and created Unova, building what would later become the Abyssal Ruins as their castle. As a newly created civilization, they would need to create currency, and with the establishment of civilization comes a rise in the creation of decorative objects like bracelets and vases and statues and crowns for their new kings. Thus, the creation of the Relic items. There are a couple of problems with the idea of the Abyssal Ruins belonging to the twin heroes, though. There’s only one Relic Crown in the Abyssal Ruins, and the inscriptions all refer to a single king. For the Relic Crown problem, I think the answer can be found in your observation that the Relic Crown looks like N’s crown. Maybe N’s crown is also a relic: while one king’s crown was left in the castle when it sank, the other crown was passed down through the king’s descendants. How did N end up with it, then? The answer is simple: Ghetsis is a descendant of one of the heroes, and he’s the one who crowned N. [Quick theory time! On the top floor of the Abyssal Ruins there are a few ciphers that can’t be translated. In B2W2, Zinzolin’s translation notes translate these as a series of black dots. The final inscription reads “The great King ••••••••” but the number of dots differs depending on the translation. It’s speculated that this name is Ghetsis’s last name Harmonia, as it has the same number of letters in each language as there are dots in that language’s translation. Presumably this king is either one of the heroes or one of their descendants, so if Ghetsis carries the name, he must also be a descendant of the hero. It’s an odd detail that N and Ghetsis have a last name at all, as most Pokémon characters don’t have last names. It makes a lot more sense if that last name is included because it’s the name of the twin heroes. Harmonia being the name of the heroes could explain why Ghetsis says that N isn’t worthy of the name Harmonia after N loses to the player, and why N and Ghetsis are so obsessed with recreating the legend of the heroes in the first place.] The inscriptions in the Abyssal Ruins praise a "great king" who accepted all and acted with love. As this wouldn't really apply to either of the two heroes, the inscriptions must have been added later, describing a later king. (I don't think it's likely that they were describing a prior king, since Unova didn't exist before the twin heroes.) In addition, the Relic Castle is apparently the ruins of an ancient city that was at its peak 2,500 years ago. So - the castles couldn't have been destroyed 3,000 years ago when the ultimate weapon was fired, because then there would be no castle for the people to inscribe praises to their king on the walls of, and no flourishing civilization 500 years later. Except...I feel like I’m forgetting something…oh, yeah. The building of the ultimate weapon led to split timelines, one in which it was fired - creating Mega Evolution - and one in which it was never fired, in which there is no Mega Evolution. The Kalos games, obviously, take place in the Mega timeline, but all the games in which we’ve seen the Unova region don’t. Therefore, the ultimate weapon hitting Reversal Mountain and causing it to erupt didn’t happen in the past of the Unova we’ve seen. However, it’s still possible that this happened in the Mega timeline. Bringing the split timelines into this theory actually helps me answer a question that I’ve been asking ever since the split timelines hypothesis was proposed: how did the war end in the timeline where the ultimate weapon wasn’t fired? The twin heroes of Unovan legend stepped in and, with the power of the original dragon, they were able to stop the war, and from there create Unova. I’d definitely be interested to see in a Unova remake if the legend of the twin heroes played out differently in the Mega timeline.

[@ToastyMuppet]

Storm Aurora This is awesome. A lot of work you just put in and it makes a lot of sense

[@kaiseremotion854]

Wait no. Its possible we wont get new unova games at least not in the infinity energy timeline. Because the ultimate weapon was fired and unova doesnt exist anymore. In the Infinity timeline two things are possible. Perhaps the two dragons were at what is now the mansion in kalos. And they got turned to stone. Or they flew over kalos mourning of the lose of the heroes and the statues made at some later point. I wont know until we see unova again

[@maymay5600]

could it be that it's somewhere of luxenburg? unova does have that french feeling as well, along with german with some spanish along with some italian, like when you got that dragon city, which i forget, it's quartz heavy

[@pipiundkaukiinpipikakaland]

@NoChance WithoutPasta it's not an anime series it's a video game series

[@deez2037]

Underrated af (despite it being a headache to read lol)

[@spiciestroll4339]

Unova legendary Pokémon have statues in the Kalos palace

[@liammckinney5218]

Thats true...more evidence?but why would a region honor the dragons that were promently used in a war? As respect for destroying their owners castles?

[@kaiseremotion854]

Aren't those statues recent? Cause the mansion looks recent. No more than 500 years. Cause before the mansion the castle in that town was the prominent spot to be.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Are you all having a good day?

[@andrewcozad9422]

Yes! Thanks

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

Musharna: Mu Shar Na.

[@artisticsmeargel]

You pronounce it moo-sharna musharna

[@JB6GD684]

Black and White state that there was a war in Unova, and a part of that caused a forest fire in which Cobalion, Virizion and Terrakion fought the fire and helped Pokemon in the forest. This is a strong piece of evidence that Unova was also in a war, and it makes sense that it would be the same one fought by Kanto.

[@andrewmanchiraju8005]

I think n once said something about truth and ideals Waring. He never explicitly said it, but it was implied.

[@teriinekoyama1369]

The thing I'm getting is that Melmetal should have a connection to the war in Kalos' history. Yes, Unova did have a *civil war* between the brother princes of the long past royalty, a fight between truth and ideals some years after the rift caused a legendary dragon Pokemon to split into Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem being the remaining husk.

[@khazm2451]

I think the swords of justice BW dex entries reference the war. Terrakkion’s Black entry: This Pokémon came to the defense of Pokémon that had lost their homes in a war among humans. Virizion’s Black entry: This Pokémon fought humans in order to protect its friends. Legends about it continue to be passed down. Cobalion’s Black entry: This legendary Pokémon battled against humans to protect Pokémon. Its personality is calm and composed. Cobalion’s B2W2 entry: It has a body and heart of steel. It worked with its allies to punish people when they hurt Pokémon Virizion and Cobalion’s entries don’t mention a war, but they mention fighting with humans, whereas Terrakion’s directly references the war, but mentions one where the war was among humans. Perhaps they are two different things that happened, or maybe among means between humans and Pokémon.

[@Kahtisemo]

Also doesn't hurt that the Swords of Justice are of French influence since I've heard they're based on the Three Musketeers

[@JessieWard33]

Am I crazy or does the Kalos War look exactly like the one scene in the Lucario movie?

[@silent_wes8494]

Jessie Ward you’re on to something!!!🤔🤔

[@typemasters2871]

It would make sense that Kalos and Kanto went to war, the only question is, does the timelines match up?

[@silent_wes8494]

In this theory the thing that didn’t seem right to me was the kalos “brothers “ I don’t recall a war between 2 brothers . I remember the unova but not kalos?

[@Vivigreeny25]

@@silent_wes8494 It was in the movies. Victiny one.

[@silent_wes8494]

Yea ik unova had a war between the 2 twin brothers , but in the video they said that even in kalos there was a war between 2 brothers ?!

[@RavenZombieX]

Ive thought about some of this before. Except the unova we know is not from the mega universe, so the weapon wasnt fired. I could see a story with Lysandre vs Ghetsis throwing in N and AZ. Say Kalos and Unova had a war, kalos fires the weapon at unova, and the original dragon sacrificed itself to protect unova. This is what really split it into 3 parts

[@WarmLillie]

Melmetal being the reason for the Kalos and Unova War is something interesting. The evidence is a bit shaky but it pretty good.

[@lifelessons7401]

Toby, there WAS indeed a war in Unova, between the two brothers who ruled over Unova with the help of the original dragon - they fought against each other after disagreeing on how to rule over the region - one of them was led by ideals, the other one by the truth and this disagreement caused the original dragon to split into Reshiram and Zekrom!

[@theloruleanhistorian]

P.S. there was a war in Unova. A few, actually. The twin heroes helped to end one, creating a unified nation (Unova). But their children started one, which led to devastation by Reshiram and Zekrom's fighting. The Relic items were dated to 3,000 years ago - but it's said that Relic Castle was "flourishing" 2,500 years ago. Dragonspiral Tower is also at least that old. So it could be possible that the Kalos war was with the seat of power where Abyssal Ruins now stand…and then civilization recouped, leading to the creation of Relic Castle?

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

I thought for sure the princes of Unova went to war. You are not the only one who got that subtext.

[@typemasters2871]

The princess of truth and justice did go to war, that war is even mentioned in the black and white movies, the one with victini

[@selvinmarquina4759]

Yeah they did go to war

[@nwinterson740]

Really interesting theory! Relating to the ultimate weapon, I have a question and a theory starting with "why does Mewtwo have mega stones?" At first, I just sort of assumed they were man-made, but seeing as they appear in places not associated with mew or Mewtwo in the wild, it just seemed off. Then I saw some videos on the Mewtwo/ Ditto theory and this theory kind of sparked in my brain: what if mew and ditto are connected instead? Mew may just be a more matured version of ditto, similar to diancie and carbink. This would explain why these connections exist, as well as why there's only one Mew canonically since Ditto can breed with (almost) any other pokemon, it would seem to have the DNA of all other pokemon within it, so it's maturing would likely keep that trait but improve upon it. So, where does Mewtwo's mega stones come in? I think that Mewtwo may be a secondary form of Mew brought on by extreme stress such as a near-apocalyptic war in the pokemon world, or a newly created clone of Mew being subjected to intense trauma at the hands of team rocket. Sorry for the long comment, but I just found it odd that this pokemon that shouldn't have been around during the war would have a mega evolution, and thought that maybe it could lead to other implications for the pokemon world.

[@maggieent3215]

i would like to preface this by saying that long comments should be acceptable. Sound theory! There could be two Mewtwo, given the presence of the X and Y stones (why charizard have two, I have no clue), and the two mega evolutions that appear in some of the movies The mega mewtwo movie (gen 5, with a prologue where Mewtwo is cloned from a mew according to Bulbapedia) seems to be a retelling of Mewtwo's origins in the mega evolution timeline. Ditto has a connection to Melmetal and Meltan too...

[@GcorpCoPrez]

I might just add: alternate universes. With time travel being a thing in pokemon. maybe a stone appeared here and there due to rifts in time and space.

[@Dragonstorm1234]

It's Moo-sharna

[@WarmLillie]

Unova Castle and past structure are amazing.

[@zackaryestridge1296]

I apreciate that you take the time to make quality videos that we can all be proud of. Keep it up brother!

[@Sandrewnaut]

Do you have any theories about the swords of Justice in Unova. I have never really understood where they fit in the Unova lore and story. I would love to hear your thoughts. Love your videos!

[@lifelessons7401]

The thing is that there WAS indeed a war in Unova long time ago - the two brothers who possessed Reshiram and Zekrom fought against each other in order to determine who of them would reign supreme - one of them pursued the path of ideals the other one the path of the truth - this caused the original dragon to split up into Reshiram and Zekrom in the first place because of their diasgreements on how to rule over Unova. The fires caused by their battles made many pokémon homeless and in general caused destruction overall. That's when the swords of justice appeared - they rescued the fleeing pokémon from the fires and upon helping the weak they came to the conclusion that humans were evil (sorta) and since then avoided them, showed themselves hostile against them - until you, as the player, show them, that not all humans are inherently bad and that not everything is just black and white :) EDIT: a nice-to-know--fact! One of the brothers (depending on the versions) founded the old civilization where the remnants of the Relic Castle can be explored! Hence why you can find either the Light Stone or the Dark Stone there during the main story!

[@maggieent3215]

@@lifelessons7401 part of Toby's theory confirmed! (Nice recap. I want to watch that movie even more now.)

[@cullenhutchison6528]

I think that the Unova region was in a time of crisis because of the division in philosophies of the two princes and because of a series of natural disasters going on (floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, drought-and don't start thinking of connections to Hoenn), rather than there actually being some sirt of civil war. I would date this to a little bit after the Kalos war-which I'm pretty sure was in the Kalos region itself-because of Dragonspiral Tower. With the amount of knowledge we have about AZ's ultimate weapon, we cannot be sure exactly how it caused the devastation it did, or what form that devastation took. It's possible it didn't create any sort of impact crater or similar, or that if it did, it wouldn't just create a valley or something.

[@zytzig3564]

I like the idea. It also explains why melmetal wasnt in gen 1 which whould have taken place in a universe where the ultimate weapon wasnt fired because there is no nega evolution.

[@driveasandwich6734]

Unova and Kalos use the same National Dex. So even though they aren't the same region, they are the same nation (country).

[@dillonallen6172]

You said Melmetal can seemingly produce iron from nothing correct? Perhaps this is the original cause of the Kalos war. Think about it whoever controlled the local population of Melmetal would have a seemingly endless supply of iron for weapons and what not, with the end result being the near total destruction of the Melmetal population and the remaining ones going into hiding to protect their species. Then perhaps in the midst of this war two twin brothers (potentially royalty or perhaps just revered by others) were tired of the brutality of the two Kalos factions and led a small exodus of people out of the region to a new home, seeing their bravery the original dragon chose them as it's masters and created the unova region for them and their people. After some time of peace the two become complacent in their roles of heroes/leaders and start to bicker with each other about the positive factors of truths and ideals, this leading to the splitting of the dragon and the creation of reshiram, zekrom, and kyurem.

[@cyanmoon]

And to add to it: Audino the nursing pokemon of the region is the only Unova Pokemon to get a Mega. Perhaps from being exposed to energy from helping people after the ultimate weapon went off?

[@Kurooganeko]

The two castles remind me of Kyogre and Groundon... '-'

[@milessaxton]

One thing I just realized near the end of the video is that both melmetal and diancie are described with the ability to produce either diamonds or metal respectively from what seems to be thin air. Maybe this would promote the idea that melmetal was mutated in some way similarly to diancie, but There still may be some loose ends in this theory though. Just Let me know if anyone can use this information somehow.

[@federicoriva3592]

This works really well with Galar now, like the blast destroyed a city and the metal parts were brought to life and scattered across the world as meltan and only just awakened

[@slycactus]

Bird Keeper Toby, a couple questions. 1: Do you think Meltan could have been used not as a result of but as a resource in making the ultimate weapon? 2: Do you think Meltan in any way strengthens the Pokémon Theory you and Lockstin collabed on?

[@alexkuhn5188]

We know that the Ultimate Weapon somehow created Mega Evolution, what if the reason that only certain Pokémon can Mega Evolve is that the Ultimate Weapon turned fossils of the ancestors of those Pokémon into Mega Stones? If the Mega Stones only work for Pokémon genetically related to the fossil it was formed from then it could also help explain why a few Pokémon have 2 different Mega Stones like Mewtwo and Charizard. If Mega Stones were once fossils then the Ultimate Weapon might have actually created the Mega Stones when it was fired and when Floette was brought back to life not all the Infinity Energy was used and that excess Infinity Energy is still trying to bring something back when the Ultimate Weapon was fired, with Mega Stones being the result.

[@luisagerenaldo8294]

I always thought the mega stones for Mewtwo and the Charizardite X would be artificial, because to me, Charizard Y looks more like a natural evolution than Charizard X.

[@Mira69Rin]

sounds great! but i thougt: you used mewtwo as an example but mewtwo shouldn't have ancestors.

[@alexkuhn5188]

@@Mira69Rin oh but Mewtwo does have ancestors! Mew is his ancestor because he is a clone of mew. we know Z-Crystals are created when Ultra Necrozma lost its light, what that light turned into z-crystals is debatable but the same can be said for Mega Stones.

[@Mira69Rin]

@@alexkuhn5188 Dos this makes it his ancestor? because that would mean, with the fossil theory, that there are mew-fossils. are there more than one mew in the pokemonworld? o.o and i sadly haven't played the ultra-games so i dont really know about the story about Necrozma :/ thanks :)

[@alexkuhn5188]

@@Mira69Rin in fact there must be multiple Mew, the one at the Tree of Beginning couldn't be where the hair from the first movie came from as the hair was found in a temple hidden in a jungle. if you don't consider the movies canon to the anime take into account the fact the Mewtwo in the Genesect movie was apparently female while the Mewtwo from the first movie was apparently male, therefore they must have come from different Mew DNA samples as a clone will always be the same gender as the creature being cloned.

[@smitelord1000]

There was for sure a war in unova. In the movies for black and white it says the brothers fought and showed what looked like armies.

[@UnderTheSpookyInfluence]

Uhm I think the Unovan War might have been something mentioned in the Pokemon Black and White movies with Victini??? Not sure cuz I haven't watched the movies again since they were released.

[@NA-yx4wc]

Funny that the region inspired by the US, specifically New York, has a ton of castles and old stuff, when the US is only 200 years old

[@ToastyMuppet]

When England gets a region we have to have more castles than Unova

[@thenintenbro7154]

@@ToastyMuppet Probably not because they've already done it.

[@thesirensystem]

@@ToastyMuppet of course we do. We also need it to rain 24/7

[@hexazalea]

Problem is the Kalos region has so few native pokemon because of the use of the weapon kalos has tons of native pokemon granted some pokemon from other regions are clearly native to kalos (the ralts line is almost certainly from kalos) Also Hoenn is under the imppression Rayquaza played a role in the creation of mega evolution rather then the war and given kalos seems to be the only area with massive depopulation of pokemon and we never see the beam fired from the weapon curve towards another region its likely the kalos war was fought in kalos alone. Az Killing almost everything in the region was enough to stop the war. as who's gonna argue with the omnicidal maniac. you want to be king? fine be king of the ashes. It's more likely the wars started during a period of massive upheaval similar to how the bronze age collapse happened roughtly 3000 years ago on earth and it led to several civilzations just falling apart.

[@vivi_valkyrie]

this is all so depressing to think about like its interesting but good god i want more happy lore instead of more war and death lmao please gamefreak

[@Kahtisemo]

In regards to Rayquaza being a key in the creation of Mega Evolution: For one, Rayquaza is the only Mega that doesn't use a Mega Stone, it ate a meteor. The process for Mega Evolution though seems to have been discovered with the bond between the people and Pokemon being the key. Secondly, which is actually pretty interesting, is if I remember rightly the Tower of Mastery people explain that it was in the aftermath of the war that a hero from another land came with a Lucario that introduced Mega Evolution to Kalos. They may have come from Hoenn after they discovered the process from Rayquaza, but the practice just flourished in Kalos due to the number of Mega Stones found in the Kalosian soil. Which makes sense because as well known as the practice of Mega Evolution is in Kalos they don't seem to know much about it, which Sycamore was hoping to change. In Hoenn though, they KNOW as its been passed down orally in their different clans (At the least, there's both Draconids and Sootopolitans we know of) and written on their walls. Zinnia talking about Devon being on track to recreating the great sin of 3000 years ago and Wallace mentioning that AZ was the one to plant the great tree in Sootopolis shows that Hoenn has managed to keep in touch with its history better than Kalos might just be because of how devastated the region was after the war. Heck, you only learn the meat of the story from AZ himself and the likely rare books that Lysandre has gathered on the subject found deep in the Lysandre Labs. Sycamore was just psyched to have you talk to someone that knew the Legend of how the mascots are associated with X and Y is because towards the end of the war the figure was seen coming out of the smoke and looked to resemble the letters to the terrified and confused soldiers. That's... pretty vague to 've getting worked up over. Just food for thought.

[@oucyan]

hole in theory. why is the weapon ending the war in Unova and not the war in Kalos? Did AZ use it as an intimidation weapon rather than an actual weapon? he fired it into the sky and let it fall randomly? he was angry at the time wasn't he? wouldn't he have fired it directly at his brother's army? The lack of an impact site can be credited to it happened 3000 years. this isn't an asteroid impact ya know. the only reason a hole even exists where the weapon landed in XY is because it landed on the hole where the Ultimate weapon came out of. it's quite possible the Kalos impact site is already covered in greenery. or it's possible that giant crystal sun dial was carved from the crystallized energy at the impact site.

[@yonggongaming]

I think the desert was the blast zone of the weapon. I also believe "Twin heroes" doesn't mean they're twins but twin heroes of two very equally powerful countries. Also in royalty two brother can rule two different nations.

[@Jisto11]

To add to this theory, I think Meltan were originally ditto, based on their similar body type and that meltan were actually ditto in Pokémon go. Also the master trainers being found in the mansion, specifically on the floor you’re most likely to encounter ditto. Just feels like they’re trying to establish a connection between the two.

[@shelliingle571]

Good theory, Toby. I am thinking Meltmetal was created to wipe out of all fairy-type Pokémon in 3,000 yrs old war,because Fairy type are weakness against Steel type and iron are very harmful to fairies in European folklores.

[@mirthfulArtist]

Unova is my favourite gen. It had such an engaging story and interesting lore and characters. Team Plasma was especially interesting Gen V definitely needs more love. Give it a replay, Toby!

[@ashgrenenja8142]

The kalos war was with kalos (based on France) and galar (based on the United Kingdom). The kalos king fired the ultimate weapon which hit the western part of galar which destroyed the parts of the galar region which are wales and Ireland were destroyed. That’s why the map of galar only shows England and Scotland. Mega stones then rained down on the hoenn region and the rest is history.

[@theloruleanhistorian]

It would make sense that the war in Kalos was with another region. Unova definitely holds up as a potential rival nation.

[@dannythemysterious8221]

What if their was no war? Like they were about to but the blast happened sinking and destroying both places. The princes seeing what could happen stopped and sealed away. The reason why everyone thinks its a war because they saw the blast and thought it was a pokemon. After all they did see pokemon about to go to war(think of them in armor like in the lucario movie ). I mean they think some giant monster eats people at night so exaggeration,by that I mean they didn't think of a pokemon, does seem like them.

[@PenguinGaming73]

i’m thinking the blast from the ultimate weapon hit relic castle which is what buried it, which caused an earthquake which would 1. make sense for volcarona to have to act as the sun because all the sand in the desert would be sent flying up, blocking out sunlight, and when it settled it completely covered the civilization 2. cause a tsunami sinking the castle by undella town, and 3. causing reversal mountain to erupt and possibly giving life to meltan/ melmetal. i like the theory a lot i just don’t think it makes a whole lot of sense for the weapon to have hit reversal mountain because it likely would’ve destroyed the mountain entirely and the ash from the mountain would’ve likely not only traveled to relic castle

[@liekkianimaatio3652]

But the Unova games take place in the non mega timelime. Sure the same events took place, one with mega and one without, but in the non mega timeline we hear about the explosion on Reversal Mountain

[@jacksauce]

One other interesting thing to note is that Kalos and Unova are the only two Pokémon regions with a total of one Mega Evolution. What’s significant about those two megas? They’re both fairy types and Fairy type Pokémon are strong against the dragon type Pokémon that Unova is known for. Maybe when the Ultimate Weapon was fired, a balancing affect was initiated by the power of Xerneas and Yveltal that led to Diancie and Audino gaining mega evolutions rather than their peers. Unova being the closest region to where the ultimate weapon was fired might also be the reason for why it appears to be more negatively affected by the weapon’s blast in terms of a lack of many mega evolutions. Whatever the case, everything in this video points towards future generations having a lot more connections to the Unova region.

[@Goldendragon101]

When you realize Pokemon lore gets complicated when you look deep into it, which makes theories even more interesting lmao

[@ultracommander8368]

I think I got it. Pokemon X= Reshiram beat Zekrom and then they sealed Zekrom away and the twin that had zekrom then moved and conquered a weak region known as kalon and gained their resources, then to get revenge and end the war, created the ultimate weapon and ended the war but with also weakening Reshiram and ended the war, Pokemon Y: Zekrom beat Reshiram and then Reshiram was sealed away, the Twin that had Reshiram then retreated and conquered Kalos and got revenge by creating the ultimate weapon and destroying Zekrom and ending the war Now before your say how can there be two AZ’s.. well....they’re twins aren’t they?

[@queeny5613]

Does anyone else get the subtext of the ultimate weapon being the atomic bomb that ended WW2

[@vivi_valkyrie]

the atomic bomb didnt end ww2, ww2 already ended, it was an uncalled for attack on japan who was already defeated and preparing to surrender and an attack of which is a war crime and was driven by racism, much like the racism that led to the treatment of japanese americans.

[@queeny5613]

@@vivi_valkyrie I must have had a very different historyn teacher to you

[@kyleurscott3303]

Really Random no!!! His initial idea of the entire concept was as if World War happened in the matter of Japan winning and becoming the most powerful country in the world and then destroying the entire world by default.. they believed in the ability to keep things even yin and yang can't believe that you pan would destroy the world if it was given too much power we felt that Japan was where it needs to be because of its population in science and if one of those were to increase the devastations the entire world would happen.fall out that would last 1000, 3000 year's before it was safe . However mutation would occur to plants and animals causing Pokemon to become what they are. Bringing back Giants AKA Netherlands and a much wider range of biblical text ranging from The Book of Enoch. And the other two books. It's just his way of showing that history will repeat itself. And despite three timelines being created the inevitability is that all three of them will become one eventually Unity. Aka you know if this is the last Pokemon region therefore is region is about peace but at the same time about conquer this is going to be the region that sums up and brings everything together it'll answer more questions about the last Generations than any other generation could have however it will create more questions. Find you will never know personally unless you have some type of faith.

[@dav1d_the_human]

Yeah!

[@kirstyshadowdancer5095]

Has anybody tried to do a functional comparison of the wars in pokemon compared to the wars in the real world? Like in pokemon we know there was a war that Lt Surge was part of, we know there was the ancient war that sets up Lucario and the Mystery of Mew. There was the potential Kalos war and Sinnoh War.... Like Kalos' war could be based on any number of real world wars - the 30 year war, the hundred year war, the french revolution. If there was a Sinnoh war it could be based on the feudal times in japan. Surge probably fought in ww2, although that would make him real old. Especially since Japan quit the whole war thing right after so a japanese soldier post ww2 would have simply served in the JSDF. You might have to recruit a hardcore japanese otaku to research some of this though. Perhaps Gaijin Goombah...

[@KaiCyreus]

Pretty strong conclusion、at least to link the regions of Kalos and Unova together. Maybe you'd gotten too used to believing in theories、because I'm sure I've also heard about Unova being part of that same war. It also must be why I'd thought Ghetsis was also a descendant of AZ's family although there's not really any evidence or anything in the games that backs that up. However when you say "King of Kalos"、I still think he could've been the King of the entire nation of which Kalos is a region、which would make it easier for Unova to end up being involved rather than being the enemy. Forgot to mention also that the statues of Reshiram and Zekrom are in Parfum Palace's garden、probably built as a form of apology or peace offering.

[@luisagerenaldo8294]

I love these kind of videos so much, I could listen to Toby for hours as he sets up and explains these theories with his English accent

[@gabriellockwood2780]

Musharna Pronounciation: Moo-shar-Nah Moo-Sha-R-Nah

[@JOLE-ex3oj]

Amazing video, I have missed your big theories and this reminds me why you are my favourite poketuber!

[@eizzah8323]

For the Relic Castle part I think that when Volcarona substituted for the sun it was so powerful that it dried the zone and therefore you have Desert Resort whici kinda eroded all of this lol

[@cofagrigusfan24]

i have a soft spot for gen 5. as Pokemon White was my very first and very own Pokémon Game, i started watching the anime in gen 1, played the card game in gen 1, and played gen 1 games with my oldest nephew's games + Pokemon White 2, game me my very first shiny

[@captianblitz]

There was at least a small battle in Unova, evidence is in Keldo’s origin. A fire started due to humans fighting. A Pokémon got caught in the flames, was saved by the Swords of Justice, and became Keldeo. I also think that Reshiram and Zekrom’s exposition dumps or Dex entries mention a battle of some sort.

[@Potatovoltage]

In the parfum palace there are statues of reshiram and zekrom. When you interact with them they talk about unova and Kalos being relatable.

[@Mrjamesord]

I’m not sure AZ had a brother in Kalos, but it’s a good theory

[@jakobxd8900]

My theory is the war is based off ww2 and the region that brings up the most about war is kalos which is based off France if you don’t know much about ww2 japan Germany and Italy where the axis powers (the bad guys) and I think the reason Kanto (which is based off japan) is fighting Johto is because in the games Johto and kanto are connected maybe Johto is Korea or China and in ww2 japan tried to conquer Korea China and other parts of South Asia and nearly Australia and then America interfered (unova) and maybe lt surge battled in the pacific and moved to kanto because it was conquered by unova. And obviously kalos would be at war with Germany and I would like to see if Galar will continue this theory and because Galar is based of the uk we could see more about the war. It would be amazing if we get a German based region in gen 9

[@MonomaniacalTV]

This is so well tjought out and entertaining! Much love my man, keep up the awes9me worj

[@Shadowstriker550]

Isn’t there that castle in Kalos where statues of Zekrom and Reshiram in the huge garden out-back?

[@maggieent3215]

the perfume palace, possibly?

[@maymay5600]

i was saying this as well, even though unova is based of the U.S, it's still based in europe nonetheless and i was making theories in my head that unova was somewhat involved in the war as well with kalos and galar, but they had their own problems with internal conflict

[@heyoyo10gaming4]

You know how Mary and Elizabeth I were Cousins and yet one was Queen of Scotland while the other was Queen of England? That means they were heirs to siblings, which in turn means it's possible that AZ's Brother was King of a different country, say, Unova? If his Sons were the Princes of Unova, then that could be a link that ties everything together!

[@georgecook7253]

I don't know where I have heard this before, but I have heard this before and I personally like the theory (with the war). I don't know how I quit like the idea of where you think it hits, but I have no better location for it to hit.

[@thomasfan8889]

Good grief. Next thing you know, the volcanic eruptions are crafting disruptions in the atmosphere opening ultra work holes and the ultimate weapon’s life force fused with rocks creating Z stones

[@PlayzGreninjaYT]

I missed the This was a Video by Veronica Taylor 😂😂😂😂

[@queeny5613]

This is a good theory. A little thin in places but. still really enjoyable

[@andrewcrusciel1296]

The Kalos/Unova war part of the theory is extremely similar to a theory video by The Ruin Maniac Files, he came to a lot of the same conclusions you did. Might be worth a watch. I think its the first Appendix Series video on his channel

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

Someone needs to photoshop that Office picture of conspiracy theory dude do he has Toby's head, given the introduction of this video =P

[@j-c9890]

There was a unova war, it just wasn’t explored apon. It’s just there

[@enanan4]

Wait a moment... Hasn't rayqyaza create mega evolution when a giant meteor hit hoenn and sootopolis city was created? Or was it the laser from the ultimate weapon blast through rayqyazas meteor and it fell into Hoenn?

[@blackblade99009]

i hold onto the theory that the twin heroes are the same person from different realities one raised to honor ideal while the other was raised to honor truth and that the original grey dragon kyurem had the ability to travel to each reality by use of the dream forest and bridges of which upon learning of said forest both heroes met and created castles in each others world with the games white and black being set in each perspective world explaining why each dragon was locked away but never really meet other than the rival encounter (which could be a shade version such as that once the original dragon split it created counter parts of itself and was forced to live in both realities)

[@slycactus]

Yay! I’ve been doing research on Meltan and love this unova tie in!

[@chrisclack4258]

you know mr bird keeper toby i can get all legendary and mystical pokemons that does not include useing wifi and i have pokemon ranger but i am haveing trouble with captureing the muk and grimmers with the capture styler

[@robertheath8742]

Toby the firing of the ultimate weapon stured a meteor of course causing the birth of meltan melmeatl and metropolis in hoenen

[@patrickhughes8402]

My first thought of an impact zone was the Giant Chasm/Crater you find Kyurem in but idk

[@sethcoleman4890]

Instead of reversal mountain, I was thinking the Giant Chasm. No one knows how it is formed, and it is where Kyerum resides which could also mean where the dragon split after being hit by the weapon. Just a theory

[@enanan4]

Well I don't know much about the DPPL plot and the GSCHGSS plot

[@puckels]

I totally thought there WAS a big war in unova between the feuding brother kings of truth and ideals, that only stoped when the two saw the destruction they had caused and sent the dragons away. Oh well shows what I know :P

[@TulioKip]

I have a different idea, I would say that the Dragonspiral Tower was the place in which the Original Dragon resided, this is because if you had a full part and PC in Pokemon Black and White. Reshiram or Zekrom would fly to it in order to wait for you to get there, meaning that no matter what version, both have a connection to that place. I believe that the Ultimate Weapon actually hit the Giant Chasm. The evidence for that is its size, not only that but Lacunosa Town is right next to it. The residents of that town specifically said something about a "meteor". But what if it wasn't a meteor at all? Another evidence is how Kyurem look zombified in a way, after the Original Dragon split, Kyurem was left behind as a lifeless body. Remember that the Ultimate Weapon has life-giving properties? That energy could've been used to revive Kyurem intentionally to have a way to permanently end the conflict. Drayden's ancestor could've created the DNA Splicers to be able to restore the Original Dragon so that the powers of Reshiram and Zekrom will all go for one ruler. This would prevent another destructive war from taking place. Also keep in mind that there is a cave in the Giant Chasm, the blast of energy could've melted the metals there and gave them life.

[@dracorim6370]

I kind of assumed the relic castle was destroyed by Reshiram and the Abyssal Ruins was destroyed or sunk by Zekrom and they were the homes of the two princes.

[@wxo_5057]

Anybody think snom is a grubbin just cause well… *it has pincers there both bug types they have stubby legs and similar body shapes*

[@kidnamedpaint]

10:20 At least we know when he went mad and started quoting Lockstin.

[@JonBurgess96]

Interesting theory with some good points. However when you said what melmetals Pokédex entry was I could help but think about one thing. It says it has the capacity to create Iron from nothing, and when looking at another video you did saying the next gen will be based on the UK something clicked. The Uk is famous for its work in the industrial revolution. Which used a whole tonne of iron, it’s pretty far out as theories go but it just got me thinking.

[@josemarcio7153]

You know that the reversal montain is not only a volcano but a place with a lot of water in the other version right ?

[@JLSaggs9]

If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure it is mentioned, maybe somewhere in a game or movie I can't really remember, that the younger of the "twin" brothers chose reshiram, while the older brother chose zekrom. So, if I am correctly remembering this, there still is a possibility that the Kalos and Unovan wars are one in the same. edit: also, because AZ is over 3,000 years old, he could've misremembered what he was the king of, that being unova, and mistaking it for kalos---where he spent most likely a while constructing the ultimate weapon.

[@thepokepoet9482]

The floof is still there though 😊side note. I just finished both movies yesterday XD.

[@Iskaid]

B2/W2 happen at the same time as X/Y so 3000 years ago works for both. The only difference is that B2/W2 is in the Normal Timeline while X/Y are in the Mega Timeline, so if there was a non-Mega Kalos or a Mega Unova, it would be interesting to see how events played out in different ways. If AZ hadn't built the Life Giving Machine turned Ultimate Weapon, and instead used a different device to end the war; or if in the Mega timeline, AZ did target and hit Reverse Mountain and destroyed the Abyssal Ruins (then a castle), causing the Twin Heroes to reconcile and end their fight and the war as well.

[@ReijiNRen]

Technically the idea of the two brothers is actually a thing, but mostly mentioned in the movie, not the games. It may have been mentioned vaguely in the games, I'm not sure, but it was a part of the twin movies with victini.

[@quazarKiragon]

to poke a hole in that tho, the lazer beam that shot out in the flash back came around and smashed into the continent near kalos, if it slammed into unnova im pretty sure we would of seen what looked like unnova in the flashback (or in some way some kinda impact zone of the damage from it) so its in an unkown region, not kalos, but irl 300 years there was a lot of wars between, England, france, spain, the then colonies of great Britain, as the then (before the USA) the US had a big civil war which I think what that whole war between two factions was about, don't forget since generation 1 it was stated that the pokemon universe is ment to in some way mirror our world with its own differences, for the longest period france and England have always hated each other so its probably between france and the unkown as of yet England region

[@Axalion71]

This was awesome! I love this kind of content!!

[@cwolf0915]

Birdkeeper Toby, I was wondering, if the weapon that Kalos fired supposedly hit Unova and caused the reversal mountain to explode, I it safe to say that the result was a massive dust cloud that blocked out the sun for several years of decades. With that taken place, would it also make since that Volcarona took the place of the sun during that time span and that's why the remaining civilians rebuilding their city tried to build a shrine of the Pokemon, which backfired. Volcaronas prolonged presence caused a drought that turned the place into a desert in the middle of a now modernized city?

[@oucyan]

While it is never explicitly stated that there was a Unova war, there was indeed a "war" between brothers that in the end caused the original dragon to split into Kyurem, Reshiram and Zekrom. whether it was an all out faction war, or just a duel between brothers is never explained.

[@Real_Amphy]

Moo- the sound a cow makes Shar- like shard but no D Nu- like Nut with no T Musharna

[@Pugpono]

The Ruin Maniac Files KZbin channel has some hints. I have faith that you’ll figure it out. Thanks for the video Toby! :)

[@noobstoise1024]

Actually Unova has been involved with two wars at least from what the games mention. The first one was between the two princes that battled each other, due to differences on how to rule the kingdom. This leads into Kyurem, not being able to choose a side split into 3. The other one involved LT. Surge, which is mentioned a few times in series including the unova titles.

[@thesirensystem]

I think Surge meant the Kanto war, unless they both tie in with each other

[@jspeer419]

You're not the only one I thought I saw something in unova about a war

[@MasterXierro]

This how new universes are created. Big bangs as it were. The universe is an ongoing explosion. That's where you live. In an explosion. We absolutely don't know what living is. Sometimes atoms just get very haunted. That's us. When an explosion explodes hard enough, dust wakes up and thinks about itself. -unknown

[@bigbobbybutters7562]

The Ultimate weapon hit the roaming DNA in space creating the vengeful Deoxys. Although Light Years away from earth.

[@Mitchell17066]

Toby, that was awesome!!

[@Mitchell17066]

It blew my mind

[@LuciPog]

There was a war involving kalos following two brothers who have differences on how they want to rule their kingdoms, by either "Truth" or "Ideal" in which they split a dragon into 3 dragons. It may or not be canon by game standards but is canon in the anime.

[@nope3361]

0:33 wait this is the video you talked about forever ago in that video with Gnoggin about mispronunciations?

[@burandeno9117]

I saw a theory like that from your friend the ruin mainac files in the infinty energy file