Beldum Is NOT From Hoenn And Other Pokedex Mistakes!

[@damyenhockman5440]

Yungoos and Gumshoos were introduced to Alola to deal with Ratatta.

[@Yoseqlo1]

Yeah, but we can't find them in any other region.

[@damyenhockman5440]

Yoseqlo Yoseloq That's simply because they haven't introduced the other region yet. Their native region exists, it is canonically not Alola, therefore they shouldn't be in the Alola section of the National Dex, yet they are.

[@JamesDavy2009]

If there existed a region based somewhere in Africa you would have their native region. Perhaps in Generation IX.

[@damyenhockman5440]

JamesDavy2009 I mean, they introduced pandas in the region based on France. Also, mongooses can be found in more than just Africa.

[@mickmast8901]

Still wondering where natural region is.

[@SleepySlann]

My theory is that the evolutions could be indications of migratory patterns. Jhoto seems to be the breeding grounds for several species of Pokémon, maybe their climate is optimal. Then they migrate to Kanto when they are adults and finally to Sinnoh to reach their final evolution. It might explain why Jynx does not have an evolution yet, their final migratory region have not been in the games yet. This is an interesting topic.

[@wildstarfish3786]

jynx will never have an evolution due to the eviolite

[@kitkat7074]

wild starfish that is a baseless assumption

[@wildstarfish3786]

@@kitkat7074 no it's actually a logical conclusion

[@kitkat7074]

wild starfish no it isn't

[@wildstarfish3786]

@@kitkat7074 then explain why there hasn't been a new (non-eevee) evolution sinse gen 5 when eviolite was invented

[@emilio5702]

What about murkrow and houndour you cannot find them in johto instead in kanto

[@Yoseqlo1]

This. Why rob Kanto of pokes originating there? I think Elm was just jelous of Oak, that's why he registered them before he had the chance to.

[@lordhighyoshi7292]

@fireredxy tyrannitar is in mt silver, and mt silver is technically in johto

[@benthescientist]

Slugma

[@PhantomDR]

Well data wise Houndour was planned for kanto hence one of the missingno forms

[@shinysamurott613]

I mean, technically they're available in the safari zone in HGSS though to be fair that is a nature preserve/zoo like area.

[@ParallaxArcade]

The Pokedex entries are not in order of when/where they were discovered, they're in order of when the protagonists, who were tasked with filling out the dex to begin with, found the Pokemon. Other guides may be in different orders, I'm sure many books or websites in the Pokemon world organize them by native region. Also, the reason sudowoodo is so rare in Johto is actually because they are native, and therefore better resemble a type of tree that exists there, meaning they are just really good at blending in.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

I do love this point about Sudowoodo! Makes a LOT of sense

[@coryemorrell]

Hunter Miller I would argue that it’s not the protagonists who found the Pokémon, but the professors of those regions. The professors are the ones who first “discovered’ the individual species in their regions. This is how they are able to confirm whether or not you’ve “completed” your Pokédex because they know all of the Pokémon in the region. The protagonists’ role would just be to collect additional information for the professor. This can be why the Pokédexes are inaccurate in regards to the what regions they’re native to and most prevalent because they weren’t documented there.

[@tkdkbw]

Um... Exeggutor?! Look at the Alolan form! It definitely originated in Alola and was migrated to Kanto!

[@alaster555]

For some reason he decided to only talk about pokemon that you only can receive one of, personally I think his wording of what exactly he was doing in this video is a bit misleading.

[@tkdkbw]

@@alaster555 I think it's easier to say "you only get one in this region so it MUST be from another". Should definitely look at various forms and how the "base" pokemon may be from one or all regions but a *form* originates in whatever region. Like Eevee. Umbreon and Espeon. They require friendship and being evolved at a specific time of day. You're telling me NO ONE in Kanto met the requirements? Also, I dont think the games are planned that far out so take that as you will

[@dominquedudink1774]

Also, alolan executtor is visually different from the normal one. So maybe that’s why

[@tkdkbw]

@@dominquedudink1774 the difference is because in the alolan climate exeggutor thrives

[@LuckyOwI777]

He only seemed to talk about Pokemon that you wouldn't exactly expect to be from another region. He left out obvious ones that are already confirmed to be native to different regions like Yungoos and Exeggutor

[@Raiga0310]

Zorua and Zoroark are probably native to Unova but due to trainers constantly trying to catch them the older Zoroark have hidden them using illusions.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

LOVE that theory!

[@JamesDavy2009]

Not just trainers. Filmmakers also go after these Pokémon for their ability to create illusions. It wouldn't surprise me if the term ZGI (Zoroark-generated imagery) existed in the Pokémon world.

[@NoahTempleton-zk2bc]

Now we learn they are sinnoh natives (legends Arceus)

[@jakequaza3567]

You missed kangaskhan and other safari zone pokemon, they are only available in the safari zone which is essentially a zoo so not the wild however kanga can be found in the wild in Unova

[@05stapj]

You'r right, but Lets go kinda messes with this

[@jakequaza3567]

Jack Staples yeah true

[@auntbill8166]

But it can be found in the wild in the let's go games set in kanto

[@JamesByronMusic]

It can be found in rock tunnel in gold and silver too.

[@althenayanfamily4918]

You can find them wild in let’s go, which is Kanto, also Kangaskhan can be found in Alola.

[@BlueSpring3]

Castform could've multiplied after being created in Hoenn and then migrated into other regions like Alola.

[@wildstarfish3786]

no

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

@@wildstarfish3786 Yes, actually. Gen V takes place years after Gen 3, as does Gen 6 (Gen 7 is ambiguous about where it falls on the general timeline, but it seems to be sometime after all 6 Gens what with Rainbow Rocket). The most likely scenario is that the Weather Institute made a bunch of them and gave them away to various meteorologists and such throughout the regions, then some of the meteorologists began breeding them in order to have more and then some of those bred Castforms escaped into wild and/or were let loose in the wild in order to study how the artificial pokemon adapt to their surroundings.

[@wildstarfish3786]

@@jaernihiltheus7817 not created in hoenn

[@LuckyOwI777]

@@wildstarfish3786 Yes it was. It was created in the Weather Institute. I believe it's right past the bridge where you fight a Kecleon for the first time

[@wildstarfish3786]

@@LuckyOwI777 only the evil teams say that it is

[@canon3723]

Mr. Mime barely appear in Kanto and Mime. Jr don't at all. Yet in Kalos, there is a cave called Reflection Cave (hint, hint) and it's full of Mr. Mime and entire hordes of Mime Jr. running around! Being a mime in the French-inspired region, it's not hard to imagine that Mr. Mime originate from Reflection Cave in Kalos, and probably gave the cave its namesake considering Mr. Mime's trademark reflect and barrier abilities.

[@colebuckon3856]

With the Johto baby Pokémon, maybe Johto is simply a nesting ground for many Kanto Pokémon, and they migrate to their Kanto habitats upon evolution.

[@madMosher023]

There are many Pokemon that should be retroactively changed between regions. For example, Slowpoke is not a Pokemon that originally came from Kanto. It has it's origins in the Slowpoke Well in Johto and later moved. Conversely, a Johto Pokemon that should be in Kanto is Slugma. It's a Pokemon introduced in Johto, but can only be found in Kanto at the cycling road. It's easy to make these judgments between Johto and Kanto because they are shared in single games. It's harder to make such statements about Pokemon origins in other regions unless stated like Exeggutor. I also don't think rare Pokemon is an indication of a Pokemon not belonging to a region, because of Safari Zone Pokemon. With the exception of Exeggcute and Exeggutor in Kanto, I believe Safari Zone Pokemon are all native to that region the Safari Zone is in but are in conservation as endangered species, and, where in some regions, Safari Zone Pokemon are more easily encountered in other regions, I believe that they have been introduced to those habitats that will allow them to thrive naturally similar to real world conservation programs. As far as Pokedex numbering goes, I believe that scientists are looking to catalogue all species, and Trainers are a good vector for that. The research began with Oak, so Kanto would obviously take precedent in that listing region to region, and each successive region is listed in order of participation. As for which species are listed first, more commonly found Pokemon are listed early in each region leading to rarer Pokemon listed towards the end. Data on every Pokemon already exists for obvious reasons of living for millenia with them, but the purpose of the Pokedex is to record observations in their natural habitat, so that explains how Pokemon that are hatched like Baby Pokemon, or Pokemon that evolve in special ways can be listed separately in different regions because that's when they're observed in nature. By the time we get those Pokemon, the data will have already been provided to the Professors by other people. What we do provide is insight into is Legendary Pokemon, usually the first to see them in centuries. I wouldn't think there would be any "true" way to list the national dex, but I do think that regional dexes should be changed in future games that go back to older regions to reflect what we've learnt over the years. As far as Pokemon coming from other regions than we think, the Safari Zone Pokemon are a great place to start.

[@spectremudd]

This comment deserves way more likes. I literally had the same theory about already having data of all pokemon, that's why when ash pulls out his pokedex it already knows what the pokemon is, and when you check your pokedex it has small information about look and cry of the pokemon but theres a whole other page for habitat, maybe you're mapping where they live in terms if climate in that region

[@mattishidayeo]

Heh in that case there should be no difference between Kanto and Hoenn, since their stories happen at around the same time?

[@thebanjoorder4446]

i don't mean to sound rude but you forgot beldum and metang can be found in unova in the area you would go to catch kyurem

[@eddiezuniga1268]

Which the original dragon of unova was from a meteor

[@TheSpyGuy384]

The Banjo Order How is that rude? You’re just pointing something out.

[@thebanjoorder4446]

@@TheSpyGuy384 usually people who correct youtubers are a holes about it

[@TheSpyGuy384]

The Banjo Order True, but nothing you said implies you’re being an a hole.

[@thebanjoorder4446]

@@TheSpyGuy384 i know i just wanted to make sure no one took it that way

[@HedeccaTamer]

Houndour, Murkrow and Misdreavus are from Kanto. Literally in the Johto games, those Pokemon aren't anywhere to be found in Johto, they're only found in Kanto. Lickitung, Tauros, Farfetch'd and Jynx are from Johto

[@whyareyouevenreadingmyname950]

Marills are quite rare in Johto but in Hoenn they seem easier to spot and plus their pre evolution(azurill) was first introduced in gen 3.

[@Kostyurik]

Feebas is extremely rare in Hoenn Dhelmise is really hard to find in Alola And I can be wrong, but Mareanie is only accessable trough SOS from Corsola, so... kinda rare too?

[@MisterVarro]

Mareanie might not be too rare through, it's like hunting for any predator, you've got to use the right bait.

[@Kahadi]

Feebas is extremely rare in every game you can catch it, Dhelmise and Mareanie are currently only available in the latest generation released and thus can't be included. This isn't based solely on rarity, though there are mentions of that. It goes by how you get them. Beldum cannot be caught in Hoenn (maybe one of the mirage spots in ORAS, but I don't think so) and instead only comes from Steven as a gift. If it cannot be caght in that region but can be elsewhere, how can you say its native there?

[@PhantomDR]

Mareanies reason for being like that is lore based, it hunts corsola

[@dominicmoras4283]

I think mareanie might live in the deeper waters of Alola or simply areas you can't reach in the game and only come out to eat their favorite prey (corsola) which is why you can only see them when they are hunting.

[@איתןשי]

@@Kahadi Feebas isn't so rare in Alola though

[@Gtz314]

It's possible to get as many spiritomb as you want in Sinnoh. it's just grindy. Keystones in the underground, and talk 40 different times in the underground for each respawn at the tower

[@cypressmicnovicz9541]

What about Murkrow and Houndour actually being native to Kanto despite being a part of the Jhoto dex?

[@albertduggan4695]

Slugma too, I believe

[@seabassthegamer6644]

Migratory patterns? Jhoto and Kanto are right next to each other.

[@xdsmile5359]

It's rare but metang and beldum are in the area where you kyruem. P.s I love your content Birdkeeper Toby

[@spectremudd]

Strange that the unovo folk lore of kyurem say he came from a meteor too

[@niladrisarkar4183]

Bro, the Metagross line is my favourite and I'm so glad that someone did this video. Keep up the great work!

[@Ichiyama22]

You could argue Spiritomb is an artificial pokemon, given it's supposedly a pokemon created by binding 108 evil spirits to a special stone.

[@snuffles504]

It seems very clear to me that Let's Go is not canon to the main series entries and so should not be considered here. With that in mind, many Safari Zone Pokemon would have been imported from other regions: Scyther (Sinnoh) Kangaskhan (Unova) Tauros (Johto) Dratini & Dragonair (Johto) Porygon is still native to Kanto, having been created at Silph Co. Exeggcute & Exeggutor were imported from Alola. Tyrogue and/or its evolved forms were likely imported from Sinnoh.

[@wootmasterzorsx]

Interesting video concept, I'd say the one sticking point I have that I would argue over is Castform. It was literally made in a lab in Hoenn, so any Castform appearing in regions outside Hoenn were either from Hoenn mass producing them and releasing them into other environments or it was the result of Castform being taken to other regions and then breeding with indigenous life in that region. At that point, Castform is an invasive species rather than native to other regions.

[@SomeWeeboLoser]

You can find castfrom in sinnoh, too.

[@incorrectdigit]

I came down here with just a dumb video idea: Why do certain regions have/get certain pokeballs? One is pretty easy, Johto, special pokeballs there are from Kurt crafting them from local flora. And he was able using them to make ones that are useful (less so in original games) to the player. But I wonder if there's any lore or clear reason why other pokeballs appear in other regions or their cost/rarity. Also I was just glancing through comments here and was super surprised (and happy) at a lot of awesome responses that could turn this into maybe a multi-part series. There's some cool ideas about safari zone and legends of other origins or migration patterns, etc. . .

[@sorrowfulmoon1224]

Tauros is native from Johto, in Kanto you only find him at the Safari Zone, but in Johto you can find him wild in route 38. I love your videos, greetings from Mexico

[@RedAugust08]

The way i've always seen the Pokedex is not that these pokemon originate here, but rather "These pokemon have been found in the region". It's silly that way, but so is every other. That would explain why they are in the pokedex of certain regions. The location feature of the pokedex is just that, a feature to locate said pokemon if its location is already known because the pokedex in-game is like a wikipedia that's currently being built as you adventure.

[@irongrahn824]

Togepi is only found wild on a lone island in the sinnoh region, and only ever given through eggs otherwise. Could it be that Sinnoh is the true home for the Togepi family?

[@kennethbill6013]

Maybe because Togekiss is only available by using the stone found in Sinnoh

[@Shadow6907]

My assumption has always been that in Universe the Pokemon are grouped in the National Pokedex by which region they were first discovered/recorded even if they're later discovered to be more numerous in another region.

[@andrewcogdillcole3826]

You can find Metang in the great chasm in unova. This supports your Beldum from space theory as the great chasm was made by Kyurem in the form of a meteor from space

[@noahgomes4647]

I always found it weird that Houndour/Houndoom are gen 2 Pokémon yet you can’t find them anywhere in Johto, only in Kanto post game.

[@PhantomDR]

Data wise they were planned for gen 1, if you catch and trade over some missingnos over to gen 2 they become gen 2 Pokémon

[@Jlaps941]

Slugma and Murkrow too. This is why I hate referring to a Pokémon’s generation by saying something is “Johto Pokemon” when several gen 2 Pokemon don’t appear in Johto at all

[@AdeptCharon]

Togepi IS a Baby Pokémon. It's the ultimate representative and introductory mascot of the entire concept of breeding and the category of Baby Pokémon. If you're unsure whether something is a Baby or not, you can make sure by checking if it shares its parents egg-group. If it is in the No-Eggs group instead, it's a baby Pokémon. Riolu is also a baby Pokémon. It and Togepi are the only Baby Pokémon that were released in the same generation their family was introduced, and I'm guessing that is what confuses people.

[@LP4ever088]

Pretty sure the introductory mascot of the entire concept of breeding is Lopunny ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@LM11116]

i'd argue manaphy and phione too because yes they are legendary and meant to be rare but you can't even find them in sinnoh. they technically exclusively originate in a different region.

[@malxire]

i might be wrong but dont they live in the middle of the ocean, on that case putting them in region in which they were first discovered make sense

[@MrDariox555]

What about Farfetch'd? I don't remember it being catchable as a wild pokémon in Kanto

[@JamesDavy2009]

You can find them in Routes 12 and 13 in _Yellow._

[@MrDariox555]

Oh, that's great! I didn't know that. Thank you!

[@Dragonstorm1234]

Clefairy and Clefable are from space and therefore not the kanto region

[@spectremudd]

Facts

[@Alex-yi4ww]

i really looking forward to a "International" Pokedex, putting them in order of evolutions and similar. though i think you forgot to mention a point in relation to Slyveon: Fairy Type was only introduced in Kalos. and while i haven't seen the anime/read the manga i don't know how that was explained. that also leads me to an intresting idea for a video you could do: How does a NEW type get discovered, and what happens, in universe. i.e. how, or maybe why, do some pokemon get Re-typed. and how are types discovered. Fire, Water, Grass are kind of easy to explain/research. but others not so much, Fairy, Dragon, Normal. and how does "Shadow" type play into it? (Shadow Type, from XD Gale of Darkness and it's predecessor) After all, the Shadow type is super effective against all other types in XD. (The Shadow Pokemon and how they fit in to the Wider universe has always been an intresting thought topic for myself)

[@JamesDavy2009]

It could involve Darwinian evolution or similar phenomena where the types of attacks a Pokémon is weak/resistant to changes over time and due to those changes, Pokémon would get reclassified.

[@yumikadocherty3241]

Let’s go Pikvee With the Region of KantnaK And catch all 15151 Pokekom

[@onyxtheocelot9504]

And pokemon ultra soon

[@shumpdaddy9269]

Executor is from alola. The safari zone is a good indicator of Pokémon who aren’t from said region

[@sakurazarrok]

You clearly forgot about the sevil islands and the fact that exeggcute evolves into its kantonian form while in ultra space. Plus you can catch exeggcute in the let's go games.

[@shoenessperson]

Ultra Beasts? Did you mean: Neo Spacians

[@tootsie_]

Is Necrozma then Elemental Hero Neos? Cuz he can fuse with stuff?

[@shoenessperson]

@@tootsie_ Never thought of that...

[@tootsie_]

@@shoenessperson and Neo Spacian Glow Moss is Guzzlord because they're both ass.

[@Lampent12]

Another I'd add to Sinnoh is the Drifloon line. You can only get one every Friday because they literally blow in from somewhere else.

[@JamesDavy2009]

That's another category that wasn't mentioned in the video: Pokémon that only show up at certain times and I'm not talking about matutinal/diurnal/nocturnal Pokémon. Lapras are found in Union Cave only on Friday and it was stated that they're now in a state of overpopulation due to being a protected species.

[@akirahisui-lucario5636]

Same idea with Riolu and Lucario. I had theory that these Pokémon might not native to Sinnoh at all but were originally discovered in the Kalos region instead. That's why you can't find Riolu or Lucario in the wild in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.

[@gabriellockwood2780]

Rotom is *ULTRA COMMON* in Galar; especially during Thunderstorms You can find a static encounter with one in different forms on an island during different weather, and basic "Light Bulb" Rotoms in the Wild Area.

[@sh4d0wfl4re]

@Birdkeepertoby Non-kanto gen-1 pokemon: dratini, dragonair, dragonite gen1 pokedex calls them "mythical until recently caught by a fisherman." Gen 2 has a town that formed around a colony of these dragons. Gen 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 pokedexes all claim that dragonite only live on an island elsewhere across the sea, gen 3 is the only generation that doesn't claim some unknown island is their home, that poked just claims that dragonite bring lost and floundering ships to land. Gens 2, 4, 5, 6(fishing only) and 7 (lets go is fishing only, sun/moon are not) are all more likely points of origin for these pokemon that have global migration patterns. At least gens 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 have land-based roosts rather than oceanic roosts tauros is in the routes closest to the safari zone in lets go, npc's mentioned that safari zone has both endangered and imported pokemon back in gen 1. Tauros does not have its female counterpart anywhere within kanto so aside from dittos and importing there is no way to renew the herd count. If miltank were added in lets go there could be an argument for them being local rather than imported, but... kangaskhan it is local as of lets go, so it is likely one of the endangered pokemon placed in the safari zone, but it might have been an imported species in gen 1 that has since flourished in rock cave.

[@ofanichan]

Houndour and Murkrow are also nowhere to be found in Johto, you find them both in Kanto

[@bigsoulja73]

That’s a great idea. Maybe,for example, Beldum was discovered by someone from Hoene. Or Pokémon relocated to different regions because they were dying out,but they were originally from said region.

[@Dragonstorm1234]

Also all of the alola forms except Exeggutor and Yungooos/Gumshoos

[@djimonmcdonald9085]

Actually an interesting one is also Gible It states that its not from Sinnoh, and in Alola, it states that its home region is much hotter than there

[@sakurazarrok]

Maybe it's from Hoenn due to the similarities that the sharpedo and garchomp lines have.

[@thelguy1743]

Maybe you could make a video about how all pokémon co-exist with eachother, something that is not really explained in the games nor the anime. But you can get some idea's from the pokedex. example: Zangoose and Seviper's rivalry

[@JamesDavis-nu5lx]

Oh Toby! Could you possibly make a video in regards to gameplay terms in the main series Pokemon games (exclude spinoffs)? Like fully explaining the way the games work for any newbies to Pokemon games and those learning how to play them for the first time with some useful features and mechanics added to the game ie Daycare centre, Egg moves, Battle Frontier, balancing your party Pokemon teams level out and useful grinding areas late game before the Elite 4 and Champion, ways to catch rare and legendary/mythical Pokemon etc?

[@coolidge2010colts]

serebii.net

[@canon3723]

Kangaskahn and Cubone/Marowak most likely originate from Alola. They appear together in the wild in Alola, and the PokéDex states that their main natural predator are Mandibuzz, who are also found in Alola. On the contrary, other regions only find these Pokémon in small numbers in caves, or in the Safari Zone, and Mandibuzz only exist in Unova outside of Alola, where there's no actual Kangaskahn or Cubone population. Cubone in Kanto are also said to exist through unnatural means, due to humans hunting and killing their mothers, instead of the Mandibuzz that would hunt them in their actual natural habitat. So as such, I conclude that both the Cubone, Kangaskahn and Vullaby lines must have a natural habitat in Alola, as opposed to the industrialized regions of Kanto or Unova. Glad you made a topic on this Toby, its one of my favorite things to think about in regards to the habitats and Regional variety of Pokémon.

[@PhantomDR]

Kangaskahn & Cubone/Marowak Just as easily be them going with the theory that Cubone is a orphan baby Kangaskahn

[@SethMacMillan]

A few issues with these ideas, largely in regards to Cubone existing by unnatural means in Kanto. Cubone can be male or female, they can reproduce naturally within the caves they're found in. They may be surviving by unnatural means, like human protection. I'm not recalling anything that mentioned they are living unnaturally, though. As for Cubone natively appearing as an Alolan Pokemon If we assume in-game lore to be true, then we have to assume that Cubone is natively from Kanto. Just like Sandshrew, Meowth and Rattata, it's stated that these Pokemon migrated or were brought to the islands. Mandibuzz is part of a generation of Pokemon intended to be almost entirely removed from the previous regions, if anything Mandibuzz may have been brought to Alola. But, it seems very unlikely that's their point of origin. I could maybe see a case where they might've existed in both, natively, being part of the "American" regions within the Pokemon games.

[@BlockBlazer]

4:15 The Battle Frontier isn't a part of the Sevii Islands... The *Battle Tower* is, but not the Battle Frontier.

[@DJMcDaid]

i think the island that the battle frontier is on is considered to be in the sevii islands region in universe, even tho its never shown in game

[@BlockBlazer]

@@DJMcDaid I looked it up on bulbapedia, and there are no mentions of the sevii islands on the page for the battle frontier, and there are no mentions of the battle frontier on the page for the sevii islands.

[@DJMcDaid]

@@BlockBlazer ya me too but I swear I've heard it somewhere. Might've just been an offhand comment or a theory or something tho

[@ChrispyCulture]

Nice video idea. However, you should not have assumed that Pokedex regions were ever about where each Pokemon is originally from or most common. This was never suggested by any gameplay. I think I was right to always assume that the region a Pokemon is _first discovered in_ matters. After Oak invented the Pokedex, he let other Profs fill in Pokemon in a first come first served order. Take Professor Birch's research in ORAS. He says that climate change due to Kyogre and Groudon returned Hoenn's climate to what it was years ago, leading to Pokemon like Braviary migrating back to Hoenn. Braviary is a rare Pokemon "from Unova," but it was also in Hoenn years ago but migrated. Professor Juniper must have been the first to register Braviary since Oak invented the dex and allowed colleagues to fill it. Birch simply was the first to register Beldum. Beldum never _had to be from Hoenn_ so it should not be called a "mistake." Sudowoodu was first registered by Elm, as were baby Pokemon. Elm actually _discovered_ Pichu too. The Pokemon timeline helps to imagine this. Oak registers Electabuzz. Three years later, Elm registers Elekid and Rowan registers Electivire. It is likely that they personally discovered the breeding/trading requirements for them. Overall, I think each region gets a "head start" based on the experience and age of their Professor. The Profs each gen are getting younger on average, explaining why Pokemon common in their own regions are already discovered by older Profs despite rarity.

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

You're not wrong about the fossils. Either the developers forgot or they just didn't plan this far to have certain Pokemon remain exclusive to certain regions. Remember Pokemon was supposed to end at Gold and Silver but the franchise continued on due to its popularity worldwide.

[@IvoryAspen97]

I know this video's a couple years old at this point, but while watching it, I had a great idea for a theory about Rotom. I hope you see this comment Toby. You made the comment on how Rotom appears to be becoming more common over time, and it got me thinking about the anime and the games. In Galar, we see Rotom drones on the battlefield filming the gym battles, and they're used similarly in the Journeys anime as AI officiators (except they aren't AI, they're sentient Pokemon). Then that got me thinking about an episode in the Alola anime about how the Dex Rotom got kicked out of his body and was hilariously replaced by a Rotom trained to be a washing machine. Dex Rotom explored household appliances throughout the episode, alluding to the forms in the games. Then it hit me that we never see Rotom used as a battler in the anime, only as the Pokemon World's equivalent of helper robots. But they are Pokemon, right? Rotom Dex definitely has personality. But the Rotom trained to be a washing machine, while in the Dex body, appeared to be less intelligent. To go further on this, the drone Rotoms act robotically, similarly to the Rotom phones also seen in Journeys. Team Rocket's Rotom phone is sassy and lazy by comparison because they could only afford a "knock-off". These Rotom are clearly being mass-produced and programmed by someone before they're shipped out to be used as appliances. It's kinda dark when you think about it. Plus, we don't even know who's doing it...

[@madkoog11]

In the show Prof. Oak had help from Prof. Westwood who went around writing the entries on the Pokémon he personally came across for the dex, so the entries would have been written out of order if they came across the second or third evo first. A species could also have migrated or been introduced into another region, I’m sure there are a lot of invasive Pokémon with the amount of traveling trainers there are.

[@cullenhutchison6528]

*Squirt Bottle army chases Sudowoodo out of Johto*

[@NerdByAnyOtherName]

I think a lot of synthetic/baby pokemon are more common in later regions because of the timeline. Beldum, castform, and the babies of Johto were first discovered/created/breed in their regional dex regions and then as time went on they became more common.

[@CGaboL]

Also all the Pokémon that can only be found in Safari Zones. One of the best examples is Scyther. You can only find it in the Kanto Safari Zone in Gen I and during the Bug Catching Contest in Johto. Given that they are only avialable on specific days of the week during that one event leads me to believe that they are released into the wild as long as the contest is held and retreived once it ends. They are nowhere to be seen on Hoenn but they are avialable in the wild in Sinnoh, in the post-game's Route 229. They are made much more common in Platimun as apparently they migrated South due to the colder climate of that game and can be found at Routes 210 and 215.

[@irishgeiger9295]

I've thought about this before and have come up with some that aren't in this video. One that came to my mind was the Meditite line. Meditite and Medicham can be found in two locations in Hoenn with a pretty low encounter rate. They also aren't used that much by trainers in the region. However, in Sinnoh, Meditite and Medicham are very common sights on ragged routes, mountainous locales, and caves throughout the Region. Whether this (lore wise, not counting gameplay reasons) is just circumstance that they ended up adapting better to the rugged environment or that they were native there to begin with, it is interesting to see such a rare Pokemon be so normal elsewhere, especially in just the next Gen.

[@darkcloak100]

Wouldn't lapras be one for Kanto? You get it as a gift in Kanto but can catch them in Johto.

[@animeprincerj]

darkcloak100 you can find wild Lapras in Let’s Go

[@henryodriscoll1574]

I think lapras habitat is the open sea probably migrating regions like whales do.

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

Woohoo! Thanks for this video! The artificial Pokémon were...tricky. Castform I didn’t know what to do with. As for Pokémon like Electivire, I looked to see if Elekid or Electabuzz were in Sinnoh.

[@TheDeathmail]

Honestly, I think National Pokedex is only for the viewers (of the anime) and the players (of the games). Instead, each region has it's own Pokedex and Kanto should technically have a refresh with some things being considered a retcon. For instance, Johto and Kanto should have a combined Pokedex instead with the gen 3 & 4 baby/evolutions being added to the dex. A KanJo Dex. And since Beldum is in the Hoenn Pokedex, we can assume that the only reason we don't see it is because of game play and not cause it doesn't exist in the wild.

[@Spark-Gold]

in the Detective Pikachu movie, there's a shot of an illustration of Totodiles in a tropical place, which to me hints that they're not from Johto, but in rain forests

[@lassemathisen60]

The Pokedex is based vaguely on the order Pokemon were input by Professor Oak's research. The different regions were researched and input into the national dex at different times, which is why it starts with Kanto, then Johto etc. Pokemon that are more common in other regions or brought from other regions were registered first in certain regions, which is why they appear at those places of the dex.

[@ryanbrown173]

Kanto is the easiest one! Mr. Mime is from Kalos, Jynx is from somewhere, and nearly all of the Safari Zone Pokemon must be from other regions. Eevee would be from somewhere else as well

[@pinkotter2]

I have to say, with the different timelines should be what effects what Pokémon are native. If you think about it, in both the Mega and the Non-Mega timeline Kanto has the Safari Zone. All of the Pokémon found in the Safari Zone are not supposed to be native to Kanto (for the most part). I think Let’s Go should just be its own timeline, especially if they introduce more Let’s Go games. I do agree a lot of Pokémon become more accessible as generations progress. That’s only to allow players to compete a full dex within one generation. Keep in mind one full generation consists of multiple games. I really think this was more of a fast video for your job than a thought out one, which I can understand . I do like the idea of making a list of Pokémon who do not belong in their respective regions their first dex entries are from. Now before anyone says “In gen 2 when you go back to Kanto you can catch the Pokémon who were originally in the Safari Zone out in the wild.” The Safari Zone was destroyed sometime between the events of Gen 1 and Gen 2.

[@WowieKazowee]

I interpret baby pokemon to be domesticated versions of their evolutions kind of like modern day dog breeds since their stats are incredibly low but also get really helpful moves for their evolutions.

[@ProAxeru]

You forget two of the best examples: Murkrow and Houndour, that only appears in Kanto, never appears in Johto as I remember

[@rainbowphoenix1363]

I think its through discovery, because in kanto you only give one kind of pokemon at a time, and other regions allow more than one, thus meaning a egg, and the electrizer for example was most likely discovered/developed (a great theory would be humans forcing evolution through certain items such as magmortar and dubious disc) in sinnoh

[@cylasbreakdown6140]

There were a few Pokémon in the Johto dex that could only be found in the Kanto postgame. For instance, Murkrow, Houndour, and Slugma.

[@alexandradordzhieva3835]

that one dislike is slightly infuriating. why not 0, 5, 10, 15, 20, 1k why not a friendly number?!? and 1008 views why not 1111 or 1110 and 127 likes why not 120 or 130

[@EternityinOurHearts316]

Let's Go is an exception. They changed the rules for those games. I wouldn't count Pokemon locations in those games as the original intent because they were trying to accommodate the catching system and chaining system.

[@RichieTheTotodile]

Re: Evolution Pokédex The now vastly outdated but official 3DS/iOS app Pokédex did have an Evolution Mode for sorting Pokémon. It might make for good reference as to whether to move Pokémon forward or backward to be beside their later-added pre/evolutions.

[@omegaelement]

What I find interesting is the small handful of pokemon that aren't really considered "rare" but are only really found naturally in a single region. For example, Shuppet is only found on Mt. Pyre in Hoenn and to my knowledge thus far is nowhere else normally as a wild pokemon.

[@neoarchangel11]

This is subject that I was very concern since months ago.. In Beldum case, it's true, it isn't from Hoenn but it is from Sinnoh. It can explain by the fact that Steven has a Villa and the zone where Beldum is found is very close to it, so we can say that Steven was in his Villa chilling and he found this weird Pokemon and catch it, he breed one and the baby is the one he gives to the player. Yes, it can be found in Alola, I don't know if it is from space like the case of Minior and Clefairy (?) like you said but maybe the thing is that it fall in Alola and Sinnoh (that little grassy area only accesible by surfing -suspicious-). Mr. Mime is another case, in Kanto it can be only found via trading, but in Jhoto it can be found wild, so we can say that Mr. Mime and Mime Jr are from Johto and not Kanto and the one that we got in Kanto is from Johto, that is the same case of Jynx and Farfetch'd which are found in the Sevii Island and Johto and via trade in Kanto (of course Mr. Mime, Jynx and Farfertch'd are in other regions too but this is the Kanto situation lol). There's a lot more to think...

[@Pentten]

This is something I've been thinking about off and on for years now. You can't even catch a Murkrow in Johto, you have to wait until you get to Kanto to get one. This applies to Slugma as well. I've actually been doing a little research as to what region Murkrow could originally be from, but with them still releasing regions it's hard to come to a conclusion.

[@hafiyyhiz]

At the battle frontier in sinnoh, there was a house that steven use to live and at the battle frontier place u can also encounter a beldum.Maybe beldum was from sinnoh and steven captured it because its low encounter and its rarenest, gave it to the hoenn protagonist as a special pokemon.

[@tTaseric]

I think that it's also based on when the pokedex is filled in chronologically, Like Red added Electabuzz before Gold added Elekid etc

[@tTaseric]

Like a lot of pokemon (Such as Riolu) from Unova are obviously not native because they weren't in Black / White V1.

[@NarutoBunshin18]

Togepi fits all the criteria of a Baby Pokémon. In the TCG it was to be a Basic Pokémon but like all Baby Pokémon it is only obtainable through Breeding

[@VeganKaiXi]

Video idea: Somewhat of an add on to this videos idea, but cover all the pokemon that are native to which region. Throw out the pokedex completely (pokedex doesn't do care for which species are native or not). For example, Exeggcute and Exeggutor aren't native to Kanto. They stay in the safari zone with other non-native pokemon, and Exeggutor ended up adapting to Kanto's climate over time. And then make note of which pokemon humans brought to other regions, Like Ratatta being brought to Alola and spreading and adapting.

[@cecillewolters1995]

Some Safari Zone Pokémon are more common in other regions. Gen 1 had Tauros, Kangaskhan and Scyther there, while these could be found in Johto in Gen 2. Also Unown ? and ! originate om Seven Island. And there are of course man created ones, like Porygon

[@BuddyC99]

My personal theory was always that due to the communication of the professors, Pokemon League and Dex holders certain Pokemon were found/discovered at different era's however just like orange islands with the pink Pokemon and Alolan it took time to learn and actually identify them as same or different species.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

I have a theory that Eevee is originally from the Kalos region or a region introduce post black and white. Kalos was the second region where you could find a wild eevee. Kanto it's gifted to you by some stranger on top of a building, Johto bill hands you an eevee, you can't find one in Hoenn, in sinnoh the only way to get an Eevee is from the girl who runs the PC system, then it's not found anywhere in the Unova region until 3 years have passed from black and white which gives more than enough time for trainers with eevees from other regions to have brought them to Unova and released them because of Team Plasma. Alola can be explained with eevees from another region being brought over to this region like Ratatta and Ratacate. I haven't gotten around to adding Galar into this with Sword and shield being released after I came up with this idea.

[@elemomnialpha]

I think Eevee should be categorized as a Kalos Pokemon as that's both the first game you can catch them in the "wild" and it's where you get access to all of its evolutions Or maybe Alola

[@Alicia-zp7qe]

In bw2 you can find them in castelia city.

[@elemomnialpha]

@@Alicia-zp7qe I see that as someone releasing an imported exotic pet into a park

[@Alicia-zp7qe]

I don't know, that would have to happen a lot, since there is no limit to the encounters.

[@MisterVarro]

What about the Pokemon road in let's go, I think Bill is single handedly trying to bring Eevee back from the hyper endangered list. Because of his invovlement with team rocket.

[@elemomnialpha]

@@Alicia-zp7qe Eevee wasn't available in the original BW so it had to be introduced to the Unova region during the 2 year timeskip

[@TheMadCroctor]

The Houndour and Slugma lines are part of the Johto Dex, but you can only find them in Kanto in G/S/C/HG/SS

[@silverbullet1620]

You shouldn't have counted the Let's Go down the privy games.

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

An aspect to this I don't believe you mentioned (if you did, I missed it) is the time difference. Yeah Sudowoodo is more common in Alola but Silver/Crystal/Gold is set 17 years before Sun/Moon/Ultras so in that 17 years, Sudowoodo could have migrated or been introduced to Alola as, maybe Johto was harming its chances for survival and they thought it might fair better in the tropics.

[@JoshawottNerdsOut]

Regarding Electabuzz, I wonder if maybe it was imported to Kanto? Its original location (Power Plant) is man -made, so it could have been brought to Kanto for that. In GSC it can be found in the grass outside, which can be attributed to it previously being imported, but it only appears in the natural wild in Sinnoh, Kalos* and Alola (*if we count the Friend Safari). Magmar is interestingly, also found in man-made locations in all regions except the Sevii Islands, Alola, and Mt. Silver. That remains true as of LGPE too. With regards to Togepi, the first time we were able to actually catch them in the wild was Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos' Friend Safari. Given Togekiss' discovery in Sinnoh and the weird natures of White Forest and Friend Safari, I'd suggest Togepi may be Sinnoh native? I'd also question why Murkrow and Houndour are listed as Johto, when they were first found in Kanto. Being available in HGSS' Safari Zone doesn't really retcon that either, as they're typically there to showcase exotic Pokémon.

[@eveningclicks7767]

Ruby- Corphish were originally foreign Pokémon that were imported as pets. They eventually turned up in the wild. This Pokémon is very hardy and has greatly increased its population.

[@JohntheFlame]

Well, you can find Metang in Giant Chasm and is not even that rare, hard to catch maybe, but not rare at all.

[@FabsterCola]

Houndour, Slugma, Murkrow, Misdreavus, Larvitar & Sneasel (if you exclude Pokemon Crystal and the HGSS Safari Zone) despite being introduced in Gen II they can only be found in Kanto maybe they used to live in Johto as well or were discovered between the time the events of Gen I and the events of Gen II begins

[@FabsterCola]

But Slugma probably got introduced to Kanto from Hoenn seeing that a lava slug doesn't have anything to do near the Cycling Road

[@covershopkid]

Theory! When you play Pokémon, you play the memory of the original character (think assassins creed style). In gen one for example, there are so many parts of the game that you can see but are unable to visit. I attribute this to, when Red ran his journey, he simply never visited these areas, thus off limits for your player. This would explain Lance, and others, having illegal Pokémon. There are areas where low leveled dragonite are available, or trainers are able to evolve Pokémon at levels different that your player because of the way they had trained their teams. The Pokémon the main player has at level learned moves and evolutions is based on the characters original journey. Would also explain trainers who have Pokémon well passed the levels we are used for them to evolve. Those trainers weren’t good enough to evolve at your characters level.

[@JosiahHerring]

Here's an interesting thing to consider. Houndour and Slugma can't actually be found in Johto. They are from Gold and Silver, but can only be found in Kanto. I've personally taken this as a way of seeing Houndour and Houndoom as Kanto Pokemon. And Slugma, despite showing up in Kanto, has always struck me as being a Hoenn Mon. No other research done on this situation, but could get the research started. And I actually plan on doing this for my version of the Master Dex Challenge, potentially with other Pokemon like you mentioned as well, catching them in their home regions instead of their Dex Region. Also, Corsola isn't a Johto Pokemon. The Pokedex says it came from a southern region. Maybe this is the Sevii Island, maybe it's Galar, maybe it's an all new region not yet discovered? We can't know yet.

[@johnnyp1986]

Also Metagross can be found in Unova within the Giant Chasm where a crater from a Meteor lies which further proves Beldum comes from space

[@JosiahHerring]

Houndour, despite being introduced in Generation 2, can't be found in the Johto Region, not even in HGSS. You have to go to Kanto to find one. An interesting one is Corsola, which is common in Johto, but is specifically from Hoenn. All it's Pokedex Entries say it comes from a Southern Region with the exception of Alola, which says: "The pink of Corsola that live in Alola is deep and vibrant, thanks to seas filled with nutrition"

[@jonjaarsma1456]

I'd say Togepi is from the sinnoh region. They live in the (resort area?) wild grass and that's even where you discover their final evolutions. Sure it is a baby Pokémon (it can't breed) but it's only a gift Pokémon in Johto.

[@LeopoldsburgsJong]

I can be mistaking but i've once come across a list containing all pokemon that we're first meant to be kanto mon but we're later hold back and than put into gen II. Now in that list we're the baby pokemon and hitmontop

[@RWAsur]

I feel like Pokedex additions are more of a catalog of time passing with environments than it is necessarily 'this Pokemon is native first and foremost to this place', in combination with your player character being a "new" person in every game. Like, I imagine Electivire was first discovered in Sinnoh and immediately added to the pokedex where it had lived because that information was now public (stares hard at Let's Go degression). Of course, since you're playing Lucas/Dawn in this point of time when Electivire was discovered, then you only have their perspective in that region for the discovery, not, say, Red's perspective in Kanto at that time.

[@LuckyOwI777]

You should do a video (series?) where you pick your favorite pokemon of each color. Like Golduck for blue, Magmortor for red and so on. Idk, I'm just throwing random ideas out there

[@n1hondude]

Here are my two cents: First of all we have to think of the real world game mechanics and lore-wise. We've in theory SHOULD evolve into Espeon with Sun Stone, Umbreon with Dusk Stone and Leafeon with Leaf Stone, Glaceon with a newly introduced stone. Tauros and Miltank are clearly counterparts yet Miltank hasn't been fixed to give Tauros eggs the same way Illumise can give Volbeat eggs sometimes. There should be more Dawn Stone evolutions..... also why does Vulpix and Execute need to evolve with stones? They're arguably also "baby Pokémon". Also why the F*** does Poliwhirl need a foreign object to become something a tadpole should naturally become which is a frog? It's nature! That should be changed to evolve naturally. Back to the dexes, I personally think Kanto and Johto are just one big region, not only they share the League, they also share Pokémon including pre-evolutions and evolutions. We saw Marill and Donphan in the first movie so that further proves it should be "one big region". I agree with your argument that Sudowoodo isn't from "West Kanto" aka Johto. The Sinnoh evolutions could be considered as if they are test subjects and and thus not natural occurrences, but should still belong to where their lines are from, "Kanto".

[@Imperiused]

I'd say mons like Lickitung, Farfetch'd, Mr. Mime, and Jynx aren't native to Kanto. In Red and Blue you could only get one via trading with NPCs. When Gold and Silver came out however you could catch them in the wild in Johto.