Cluster B (Borderline, Antisocial, Narcissistic, Histrionic) Personality Disorders

[@MrCliffda3rd]

I have a mixture of disorders ranging from ADHD, mild Autism, OCD, Avoidant etc. I consider myself Cluster F as in Cluster Fuck lol.

[@raymondwalters2723]

I initially thought the same lol, but later realised that the link between Autism and OCD/Avoidant-like behaviour is actually fundamentally linked. This is why Autism is a differential diagnosis for both in the DSM. So I’m not Autistic, OCD and Avoidant - I’m just Autistic.

[@tameelacort3872]

was this a self diagnoses?

[@dylanbright7243]

I almost shat myself laughing

[@joemielcarek589]

This self diagnosis is highly underrated lol

[@allisonphillips1682]

I'm all 4 cluster Bs 😋

[@luisgirelli3029]

As a psychiatrist, I just want to say that this was a really good video! Lovely way to explain those disorders, and very correct in a technical sense. You did an awesome job!

[@NoThing-ec9km]

Is there any way where a person can seek mental help without money or physical appointment?

[@korenbrigham5922]

@@tatianavera2197Dr Ramani’s most recent book is written in layman’s terms.

[@ronkwarin6917]

It’s very beneficial for everyone who studies mental health and mental illness. I love short and sweet lectures. I also order the book and thanks for all videos he made.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@le_th_]

@@ronkwarin6917 These are characterological disorders, not mental illnesses. aka Character disorders, as in disorders of moral character.

[@birdlover6842]

I heard the same but I also hear mental illness so I guess they don't know for sure. To me if born cluster B seems developmental. Some autistic people are extremely difficult and have no empathy yet others are high functioning. Care givers have the most trouble with autistic, then borderline. I wonder if npd and hpd really exists. No one seems to have it except online. @ronkwarin

[@drakenhwa]

1:40 it’s sad that people say cluster b lack “thickness of emotional skin” because, at one point, they had to endure a lot of trauma that made them become that way. someone can only take so much :(

[@beatrizarevaloleal4181]

It can also be genetic

[@AssumptionEmpty]

@@beatrizarevaloleal4181 No. It's inherited. Big difference.

[@laurenfoster342]

From what I can make out, it’s a combination of the presence of several genes, carried on an X chromosome (which is why it is more prevalent in men as they only have 1 X chromosome, so there’s no effect from genes on another X chromosome), and environmental (higher seratonin levels during gestation creating a tolerance to seratonin when born, prolonged trauma such as long-term abuse before the age of 3ish causing brain damage to the frontal cortex -as in brain trauma, and also resulting in the permanent switching on of the aforementioned genes linked to npd). There’s a lot of information out there, so I may have got it wrong - this is from something I watched about psychopathy but the researcher also linked it to the development of cluster b disorders. I am a general biologist and I although do teach a little bit of psychology, so I am very much a lay-person who specialises in dumbing stuff down which may mean that some key points may well have been missed!! I think some npd behaviours are very obviously linked to neglect and getting one’s needs met through manipulation and mirroring from a very young age (after all, mirror neurons are working flat out before we can properly communicate), but the fact that people suffer extreme neglect and don’t develop cluster b disorders strongly suggests a genetic influence, in my very humble opinion. If I’m wrong, please let me know, I’m fascinated by this at the moment, and a very keen KZbin/sm content student 🤓

[@AssumptionEmpty]

@@laurenfoster342 Maybe they do, but they're not diagnosed. I am high functioning borderline by all accounts who thought she has her sh!it together, and it turnes out it couldn't be further from the truth. Got diagnosed at 35.

[@Artlover2803]

We can't ignore no matter what that these personalities know something is wrong with them and they refuse to remedy it consciously out of arrogance and sheer laziness. They have all the time to plot strategize but refuse to Unlearn that behavior. No sympathy for such people.

[@cynthiaokafor791]

You just saved me from messing up these disorders and how they present in clients. thank you for a very detailed video

[@danielburns8548]

“NPD is less imparing…”, maybe to the individual but the devastation wrought by people with NPD to those around to them and to society in general cannot be understated and is worth mentioning at the outset

[@PHub-wv4ek]

While this is true npder aren't always going to be abusive it can be work with and they can learn to improve themselves not all narcissists are abusers

[@GeoTube9]

Not everybody with cluster B is abusive ok

[@ponponpatapon9670]

@@GeoTube9 not everybody-only a Sith deals in absolutes-but it's just that a lot of them really are

[@deathbird909]

From context I think it's clear that all Cluster B disorders tend towards being harmful, but the point was that NPD is less *impairing* than BPD or APD, as the latter two risk ending the individual up in a hospital or jail. NPD is more "an asshole with a diagnosis." Probably a shitty parent, lousy in relationships, but functional in society insofar as they stay under the x-axis.

[@Siegefya]

​@@PHub-wv4ekummm yes they are always gonna be abusive. When you wrote this you didn't understand NPD, and I can tell you right now they ALWAYS have people in their life that they ruined. Main sources of supply, they abuse... IDC if it's physical or emotional abuse, abuse is abuse and they all go through life abusing people who they get close to like a bull in a china shop. Flying monkeys, enablers, there may be less abuse to them but they'll even turn on them as well if the situation presents itself to. Trust me I know what I'm talking about my Mom has full blown NPD, and so does the ex I was with.. they hit every box. These people, honestly the scripture in the Bible that says Satan comes as an angel of light, is a perfect example of how an NPD person can appear, and they can stay that way if the person never really gets close to them. There are people who think my Mom is so sweet but they have no idea the monstrous abusive things she's done to people. Same with the narcissistic ex I was with, there are people who think she's a sweetheart but in reality when her masks slips, or when she begins devaluation on people close (they all put people in the narcissistic abusive cycle who get close) they are monsters... I don't wish that on anybody. But y'all who've never been in the cycle keep believing that these people aren't harmful... I'm telling you they usually hurt and silence tf outta people in a very sly and manipulative way that can't really be copied unless you have that personality style, the amount of cruelty that would take you pretty much would have to be NPD, and that's why in the world of psychology they can recognize these people based on these patterns they live out all their lives. NPD people always have people they ran through, always. You may not see the person because they buried the person in their closet of bones. NPD people ALWAYS have nasty skeletons in their closet... They don't give anything a proper burial.

[@Stunningaura]

I've been struggiling with severe anxiety, ptsd, bpd, bipolar, depression and asd growing up I didn't get the help I needed to function growing up with an abusive mom but now she's out of my life and I'm getting help but struggling. I just want to be loved.

[@TheNoviceAnimator_]

I feel like I’m probably one of these- I think I kinda relate the most to histrionic- and also bpd- I feel like one of my old friends had to be a narcissist- Ill never forget how much he liked to belittle me- and how happy he was to do hurtful things and be on top. I defo have got to see someone ab this cuz my life feels like it’s too complicated to live.

[@karlpayne1412]

As a person who has experienced a relationship with a person with EUPD, had children with them and now separated, I think I can comment here. Firstly, the 'Cluster' represents a group of conditions that can overlap with each other. Hence the term 'Cluster.' The DSM 9 is a starting point. A framework. It cannot really pigeon hole every individual by the 9 traits. People need to understand this. There is far more complexity to the individual with EUPD than the DSM 9 can ever really portray. It is a starting point. Not an end point. I'm sure anyone who has taken a deep dive into EUPD will know, the complexities of the person suffering with this condition, knows that often NPD traits overlap in about a third of people with EUPD. It has been said that EUPD and NPD are kissing cousins. I think that, in the main, this is how EUPD gets the bum rap. If NPD traits are mixed in with EUPD, it's pretty diabolical for the individual and for anyone in a relationship with them. This is my experience. And, yes, my partner was professionally diagnosed with the condition. A quiet EUPD with vulnerable NPD traits. However, if the person with EUPD can admit their condition and own who they are to others and apologise, and take action through DBT, there is hope. If a person cannot do this, as in they gaslight, manipulate and deny any egregious acts they possibly have NPD traits in their condition. It is an awful condition where one in ten individuals commit suicide. Many self harm. It is an affliction for the individual with the condition and, quite frankly for anyone in a relationship with the specific complex EUPD my ex has. The point is. Not everyone with EUPD comes out of the cookie cutter the same as some would infer. Please take note. They are not all monsters as some would portray them.

[@tomasallende9583]

I've found that people who talk non-stop about how the ''narc'' did them wrong tend to express narcissistic traits themselves.

[@Gibshinboi]

@@tomasallende9583 All of them do, especially when demonizing bpd

[@Mindyzzzzz]

My mom has npd( the covert/vulnerable kind) and I can totally agree with the over lapping as well’s as each being on a spectrum at random.

[@luciamixon4156]

Good explanation however you say you're separated. I guess it could be due to illness and or other reasons....

[@MienneRuiz]

With good social network and continous therapy session, anyone with EUPD or BPD will likely improve their symptoms. It goes to show that the environment is also as valuable as the therapy since it determines how soon they'll remit.

[@jillmoody2519]

Having 3 personality disordered significant others, 1 from birth. Narcissistic Personality Disorder needs to be considered with the various presentations. Covert was what I lived with and nearly died for the experience. I did not know what was happening to me through 14 years of gaslighting, horrendous abuse, pathological lies, no intimacy (no conversations that weren't simply surface level), continually being set up to be damaged, raped, raged at frequently with words and sentences that made no sense, he projected his narcissistic behaviour onto me and blamed me for it, he scapegoated me to others with his own behaviour saying it was what I did and in return those people abused me too, he isolated me from my family saying they hated me, he stole from me, he cheated on me with multiple women and brought more than one of them into my home, he played mind games, he was cruel and sadistic and was literally driving me to insanity. Most of those things were not apparent to me until I left the relationship and the brain damage started to repair. I had CPTSD, chronic insomnia, significant persisting digestive issues, CV, immune, nervous, endocrine systems dysregulated, testing showed I was running on cortisol at a high level most of the time, I had huge anxiety, hid away for a few years unable to cope with life or work, was abused by some family members because I was dysfunctional and reactive (who wouldn't be in that situation). Having ended the relationship and taken responsibility for sorting everything put including relationship property because he didn't take responsibility for anything, I moved towns to get away from him. He found me, stalked me and growled outside my windows at night. Needless to say I got the police involved. There is so much more. He was ?is still a respected businessman who everyone loves ... such is the facade these covert people put on for the world while they persecute their significant others. It is so frustrating to see information out there, especially under the guise of psychiatry that is so wrong. I nearly died. Does that seem like the bottom right hand corner to you? I am still recovering after nearly 4 years away from him. I have maintained no contact with him during that time despite what he did after the relationship ended.

[@lethalxxx727]

Sounds like more than just nppd to be honest. From what you're saying it seems like he displayed a lot of The Reckless criminal evil behavior of anti-social get was still able to keep up a facade while manipulating and playing mind games over you like an individual with NPD. It's always worse behind closed doors with individuals like this have built up some sort of facade to fool the general public while being devious disgusting little fucks :(.

[@AnneLien1987]

I understand your suffering. I have 2 cluster B personality disorders too.

[@cathylaursen9527]

Cannot underestimate the manipulation and crazy head games. Especially the insanity, toxic amnesia, confabulation, blameshifting. So sick and so sad. Take care.

[@SuperBlakes2]

Yes indeed. Once you know these people exist, life is never the same. Been 6 years away for me and still trying to live a safe life. There are so many narcs out there.

[@jadehidalgo3437]

NPD is in deed considered with its “various presentations”- but I believe this video was meant to be a general overview on cluster B disorders; and not an in debt video on NPD and it’s distinguished types… There’s also subtypes in BPD, but again I believe this was meant to go over the basics of cluster B- and what makes each cluster B disorder different. I’m sincerely sorry for all that you’ve gone through.. I don’t think providing information is to invalidate any one’s experiences.. Nor is explaining & educating meant to be any sort of justification for abusive or crappy behavior. Psychiatry isn’t meant to be a guise- or something for abusive people to hide behind. It doesn’t justify any behavior, it merely offers an explanation as to the why behind the behavior.. It’s simply to inform and nothing more.

[@pregnantyellowfish]

The categorisation of “wanting to be loved” is so unbelievably loose. These personality disorders differ quite a lot. For example Narcissists can regulate their emotions normally where as a borderline cannot. The Borderline and histrionic are rather sad cases really

[@lamentate07]

Narcs cannot regulate their emotions 'normally'. They require outside validation/fuel to do that, and their sense of self can be quite unstable. They are also prone to anger and feel negative emotions more intensely.

[@kalenmarshall]

Ya that’s just false. Narcissists are fueled by validation. Have you ever seen a narcissist feel invalidated ? They will turn into a raging monster and not stop until they feel u have acknowledged them again. They can’t stand not being the center of attention and disagreeing with them is not an option

[@lamentate07]

@@kalenmarshall Yes. They are more emotionally regulated than other Cluster B's, but not compared to 'normals'.

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

Haha vunerable narcissist and borderline are practically two sides of the same coin. Sad case? Haha that's funny as if there aren't victim groups for people with bpd. Grandiose can substance it the longest but eventually something disrupts the false self

[@lisaterle9612]

I think what you mean is that narcissists usually lack that kind of impulsivity where they "can't help themselves". They are impulsive when they believe they can get away with it. Their actions are usually part of a logical strategy and not loss of control. Of course it also depends on the type. But I believe in everyday life you meet a lot more vulnerable narcissists than grandiose types. Those would hate to lose control in any form. Even rages are controlled. Because they can appear perfectly composed if they need to. If a narcissist is tipped over the edge he can lose total control and that can be very frightening and unfortunately this is also when a lot of violent crimes are happening. What a narcissist can't do is internally regulating their emotions, just like the Borderlines can't. But they have very different strategies to ease the chronic feeling of existential despair and emptiness. Their minds create different stories around their needs. Borderlines often rage because they feel controlled by their emotions instead of the other way around. Often they feel like a slave to their emotions, seeing the pain their action cause but being unable to stop themselves from acting them out if the big feelings arise. I have less experience with Histrionics but I believe it's a bit of both there, they can be very charming in a manipulative way, being very cunning and strategic, but also they are all exaggerated feelings and big shows. Maybe it has to do with typically female and typically male coping mechanisms, which seem to be a mix of societal factors and biochemical factors.

[@kimberleysmith4379]

I have bpd. I have educated myself on it but this video told me more information around it I did not know. Now some of those odd puzzle pieces are in the puzzle. Thank you. I will follow-up with the bpd video once I'm done with this one

[@1008md]

Anyone who has lived with a narcissist will agree that the abuse they inflict upon its victims is not mild

[@inactive120]

seconded

[@Wes-Tyler]

Depends on the type of narcissist and the severity of their symptomology. Not all narcissists are of the malignant variety. Some are just grandiose and devaluing of others. This is relatively minor abuse compared to, say, murder.

[@thebutterflysessionskelsie9335]

Not by any means.

[@cloroxbitch2491]

Nope. One year later and I’m still trying to heal from the mental and psychological abuse. Still trying to fathom how the relationship was so real yet so not real at the same time. How a human being could lie and cheat so easily and lack empathy. How they moved on so fast and do the same thing to the next person 😩🤷 I’m 80% at peace knowing what I told him was true. I told him that even if he found the most perfect person he would ruined it for himself and sure enough, the person he dated after me, he ruined that relationship also with similar shit he’s done to me. He said that maybe what he did was only to me. BS lol. It’s sad bc I tried so hard to help him gain insight but apparently he has none. And tbh I feel bad for him bc I really think he doesn’t mean to hurt others but doesn’t realize what he’s doing is wrong no matter how much I try to explain it to him. I hate to be that ex, but he doesn’t deserve to be happy. As from what I know he’s constantly on dating apps adding and talking to as much people as he can trying to land another partner. I worry for his victims, they have no idea what’s coming. Mainly bc he’s charming and kind on the outside but hides his intentions very well unless you dig into everything he tells you.

[@beatrizarevaloleal4181]

I'm pretty sure my uncle has this disorder, the change that my biological aunt has had is just depressing... I ended up leaving their house because it was just a nightmare. I just hope that my cousin is alright, last time I saw him he was developing eating disorders, depression, anxiety and low self esteem.

[@sarahcouture24]

Dude, these are SO good! Online educational gold 👌

[@jane.will.change]

I am constantly appalled and annoyed by the blatant sexism that continues in the psychiatric field from many moons ago when it began. The fact that it is completely ignored that historianic personality disorder is so clearly a trauma response to the very fact that growing up as a young girl is inherently scarring no matter if you had a happy family or not... It has always confounded me that there has been no revolution about this. The way we raise our children within these outdated ideas that we still have is inherently dramatic and especially for women. That shouldn't be some hot take and I shouldn't get called a snowflake, It is literally just an issue in society that we need to fix and I don't understand why everyone wants to avoid it and put the blame on people who call it out. My greatest hope is that, as people begin to accept the importance of mental health, we also begin to see the way that society's expectations and treatment of certain groups impact our lives and that that knowledge will motivate us to make a difference. Excellent video, I certainly do not mean to criticize this channel and I think they did a wonderful job, I simply mean to criticize the fields of psychiatry and psychology.

[@jane.will.change]

*traumatic not dramatic 😅

[@hotpod9751]

Mental health should be the most important thing for parents while raising their kids, all my life coping with elder sibling with those symptoms and my parents feeling its normal fearing what people whould say now its intensity ruined the family bonds, falling in love with cbd??? Its even worse ur life gona shatter, watch ur kids and watch them closely.

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

I like to call borderline personality tripolar disorder. Besides Mania and depression add rage.

[@drlarrymitchell]

They claim to be emotional burn victims, but they're more like emotional hemophiliacs, and will aggressively bleed all over you, regardless as to your feelings on the matter.

[@jadehidalgo3437]

@@drlarrymitchell well 1st- people with BPD didn’t come up with that claim, professionals did.. 2nd Id like to say that I’m sorry for whatever personal experiences you may have had that led you to that conclusion.. but please do try to not classify an entire group of people. Generalizing and stereotyping is harmful & ignorant. Each person with bpd is still an individual.. There’s subtypes of BPD - and each person has their own set/ combination of traits and symptoms, their own triggers, their own level of severity, & each in a different place in regards to managing. Not every person with bpd has external rage, or external displays of emotions, or is incapable of realizing the damage their behavior is causing… And some have more self awareness than others.

[@jadehidalgo3437]

EXECPT .. bipolar (mania & depression) is episodic . It may be reoccurring, but it’s still episodic with periods of “normalcy” between those episodes BPD is pervasive … & to suggest that it’s just mania, depression, & rage is honestly a major oversimplification. It’s much more complex than that.

[@cjk7063]

@@jadehidalgo3437 Thank you for that comment.

[@walkerkeen8253]

🎃

[@topmetalrockbandsfullmetal1073]

Was you a year ago and still presently living under a rock.... You do know that there's a big reeducation program in psychology when it comes to dsm5 cluster B personality disorders...mainly NPD...about how it's been completely misunderstood and brushed under the rug... About how extremely destructive and traumatizing it can be on the most devastating level of emotional and psychological damage > trauma....

[@HetYaom]

I realized I used to have traits of narcissism. Its gotten better.

[@zombieboyxx]

people with NPD dont acutlly belive they are better than others it's just an act

[@ayses3851]

Occupational therapists can benefit from this too!

[@Notthecopy]

I was catphished in 2020. During this time, my life was hacked including my medical records and mortgage on my home. 3 months later, the home was sold with a loan of over $200.000 appearing on the HUD 1 statement that was not there 2 weeks prior. Things went from bad to worse over the next 3 years. People judge me now as being unmotivated, irritable and I've even been called crazy but really I'm just still trying to heal from the trauma caused by people with these disorders.

[@honzahalek6942]

These videos are great! I love the system you put in the disorders in. Finally it makes sense. I thought I have to memorize 10 random things but now it seems like the most interesting topic.❤

[@cats-a-lot3609]

The histrionic one just described EXACTLY how one of the kids at my school acts

[@sincerelyzee521]

>kids that's pretty normal. children are known to be dramatic and attention seeking.

[@caringheart34]

@@sincerelyzee521 Yeah, but if it persists until adulthood, it would be diagnosed if it meets up to criteria

[@thefamilydisappointment0]

the amount of people proclaiming sympathy for cluster b's but turn to generalize pwnpd as monsters is quite worrying, considering how much ive seen pwnpd who very much just want to Not be the predator everyone makes them to be. i understand people who come from being abused by either diagnosed or supposedly pwnpd want to share experiences and put out their hurt to the world for others to understand, however its no help to those npd havers that dont want to intentionally cause harm and want to just live as people. like the video says, they also suffer from a great deal of insecurity and trauma that had lead to this outcome.

[@TooSickToDressVictorian]

Thank you! I don’t even have a personality disorder, but seeing these comments made me loose faith in humanity. I‘m sorry that they got abused, but then turning around and discriminating against npd-ers by generalizing them and exclusively focusing on them as abusers is not okay. Just because they got emotionally abused by someone that they armchair-diagnosed as a narcissist doesn’t give them the right to demonize and abuse an entire group of people. And before someone comments something like this: No, you’re not „helping people to stay safe“, you can do that by educating them about setting/enforcing healthy boundaries and the signs of an unhealth or abusive relationship, regardless of whether or not the other person has a personality disorder. You’re misleading them by telling them that this group of people is the inherently harmful one and if they just learn to recognize and avoid this typ of person they’ll be okay. You’re just reinventing the christian idea of angels and demons, of good and evil, in order to feel an illusion of safety. Which I sympathize with, trust me, I‘ve been there. But this isn’t healthy, and it will not keep you safe. You‘ll just end up paranoid that everyone you meet might secretly be one of those evil people. You can do better than that.

[@thefamilydisappointment0]

@@TooSickToDressVictorian all of this exactly. armchair diagnosing and the throwing around of terminology has poisoned the way we view ourselves and others unfortunately

[@Gudbliss]

For me I have a parent who is diagnosed Bipolar and borderline personality disorder and married a diagnosed narcissist (diagnosed after the marriage) I struggle with the effects of both and now work hard to not display the same behaviors but hurt people hurt people who hurt them. It is very difficult but from my parents diagnosis at 17 years old I have kept a therapist to monitor my life. I cannot hold a job I am very emotionally raw and dis regulated but I think because I started therapy relatively early compared to others in my generation I had the validation of my therapist about what was happening so while I have internalized some things I am acutely aware of the fact that my mental health and emotional health is a product of my experience. So I just continue to create a life that fits who I am. When I look at my parent and my ex I see two people who didn’t choose themselves. But once my parent chose themself they became a better person. So I am choosing my self and I hope the ex does the same. I feel like that is the hardest part is learning to chose yourself and let the people who aren’t choosing you behind.

[@laurenfoster342]

As someone who was in a relationship with all of the trademarks of a narcissistic abuse cycle, finding out the psychopathology of npd was actually quite healing. It’s hard to accept that you have been lied to, gas-lit, devalued, and manipulated by someone who has nothing wrong with them and was just playing games with you, I actually feel more empowered having some understanding of how npd develops. Unfortunately, there is little content that explains in more detail than simply they were abused as infants (which upsets people because as not everyone who was abused develops npd, so it makes it look like it was a choice). There are so many complex factors involved, including genetics, that are not shared as readily - not to mention we all respond differently to different things. As far as I’m concerned, if we can feel for an infant who can only get their basic needs met through manipulation etc, and doesn’t learn how to even receive love, never mind give it, and we all agree that no child should have to go through this, why can’t we understand that the adult version of this child can’t suddenly learn to be able to trust new people when they couldn’t trust their primary care giver? I don’t think it excuses the abuse, but it surely explains it?

[@LucieSalat]

Indeed, my husband with npd suffered as a child however to him it was a glorious childhood, one where his mother did no wrong, despite hard evidence to the contrary (including suing us when we got our first business and just had our third child). Yes, they need HELP, but they must take responsibility and do something, look within and find answers and do their best to control themselves to not hurt others. I've done my best for over 20 years and he hasn't even but looked inside to see where the trauma is and what can be done about it. Due to their feelings of low self worth, it's very hard for them to accept any faults. Only age and intellect+desire can potentially soften them but you, as the other person, can do nothing.

[@ronnie.1983]

Great video. Wish the Family Court took cognizance.

[@NopeNotTodaySatan]

Document, document, document!!! I even had to resort to recording. Forensic Psychiatrists are the ones who diagnose these monsters. At least in my case. Remember who you are!! Trust your intuition. To those who believe it’s only men who are like this, you’re sadly mistaken. Men go through the same hell. Laws need to change. These individuals are predatory. Dr. Ramani is a great resource. Much peace & love your way! ❤

[@JayLS1223]

Found this diagnosis in my therapist notes. Looking to understand and treat this. She did recommend Adult children of emotionally immature parents

[@Elsieking28]

Just bought your book! Thank you so much for your great informational videos. Your content is so helpful and easy to listen to, making it great for studying!

[@zombieboyxx]

i have quiet BPD and may never get diagnosed due to also having dorsal vagus collapse and a strong emotional riditgy on the outside but i still enjoy learning about these disorders

[@kaymuldoon3575]

The one narcissist I knew was (is) a woman. She was a tough one to figure out, too. She’s a communal narcissist, which are often the ultimate chameleon.

[@ESB6-u3t]

Technically, women and men have equal number of NPD and BPD cases, but are often misdiagnosed due to gender norms with emotional expression, as you said.

[@kennadybrewer5647]

My moms a narcassit and dated my ex narcassit for 5 years 😍😍😍😍 the trauma is there and still continuing (by my mom)

[@Han-7c3]

are they diagnosed properly or you see a woman and make the diagnoses fit the gender?

[@jasonbrown2760]

My psychiatrist says I have aspd I don't agree. I may not believe in remorse, but I don't commit crimes or harm people in my rage

[@chriss.4951]

Very nicely explained. Thanks for the nice colors and diagrams and tables. -- Very effective and memorable

[@chewytruthseeker5274]

Thank you... very informative and interesting hearing more than one perspective 😊👍

[@lisabrightly]

These types tend to be involved in entertainment like music, movies or reality TV shows.

[@meganjade1230]

Im in the process of seeing a doctor and getting some help, as i know theres something wrong with me and BPD and Histrionic are sounding VERY similar to what i have, at first i was scared, but now, im ready to learn and educate myself about my disorder!

[@jadehidalgo3437]

Was diagnosed with BPD about 20 years ago . I’m scared to watch this- it’s usually lots of misinformation & demonizing . I’d love to see that there’s more accurate information out there for people to find

[@biancawilliams748]

Well watch it first

[@VersatyleMusicGroup]

Why on earth would you comment before watching the video

[@jacksonhewitt7827]

Because she has BpD

[@jadehidalgo3437]

@@VersatyleMusicGroup pretty sure the reason I commented prior to watching is written in the comment

[@VersatyleMusicGroup]

@@jadehidalgo3437 that doesn't mean it makes logical sense.

[@zeddeka]

There's a lot of talk that women and men may have been misdiagnosed with BPD and ASPD because of those sexist tropes - that BPD is a women's condition and ASPD is the male version, which is not true. Personally, I think the ICD system (the system used in most countries outside the USA) has a much better approach than the DSM. They have scrapped all of the old personality disorder categories and replaced them with a dimensional model which records all traits and severity. It provides for a much more holistic approach, whereas the DSM tries to shoehorn people into often very arbitrary and reductive categorisations.

[@susantompkins4254]

It seems like we all have some sort of disorders?

[@JKDVIPER]

Aren’t we all guilty of this though. I think it’s confusing unless the behaviors change.. if something antisocial happened, what do you do about it? If you realized that you might be antisocial, would you make a change? It takes talk therapy, direct talk, realization of the cause of harm. Why is it kit right to be antisocial? I’d say some of historical societies greatest gains were done in this manner? It is confusing. A bully who takes peoples lunch money n punches em in the nose, might probably be considered antisocial. But what if you’re a nice, thoughtful person, who doesn’t see it? It happened to me.. I realized I had become angry, disgruntled, I was walking around thinking this world was mine and everyone else was just in it. Never realizing this was taking place from stress. Adaptations from being put in jail with a weak mentality. No father at home makes you pretty susceptible to other antisocial people brain washing you.. that happened too.. I had to begin to look at others as children to reset my old thinking.. it’s as if people were spiders.. I was afraid and it was making me dangerous.. fantastic article

[@JohnDoe-kz9mc]

Nah.

[@leahflower9924]

Over time I looked at fellow humans as automatically untrustworthy it was like they were a different species how do you feel human when you stop trusting everyone

[@JKDVIPER]

@@leahflower9924 try not too. We have a phenomenon known as TAPES. These are emotional memories that made a permanent physical path in the brain. Don’t allow bad tapes to screw your out of a full life. I’ll admit, I’ve been kinda introverted since certain crazy thing last had happened. But I got tough on myself and changed it. I try to think of myself as light n fluffy now. 😎👌😂like, you’ll grow old waiting for me to give a fux... 😉

[@JKDVIPER]

@@leahflower9924 and the reason is that.. we all make mistakes. We all suffer in some way. We all judge ourselves. We all have guilt. Most of the stuff we feel apprehensive about we’d find people giving us credit for it. I’m serious! The thing you’re most insecure about. People probably think “See, look at him/her? They have it good, all figured out” 💯💥🤛

[@VersatyleMusicGroup]

No we are not

[@vincentleone1833]

I always like to hear all the psychology experts in the comment

[@POCKBA]

I have aspergers and c ptsd. But after my latest trauma loosing my sibling i feel very much different. Liel depression, nothing or that i feel to much and bad self eastem. I am worried i have gotten a cluster B personality dissorder. It have been 3 years and still when i think of my sibling i feel so sad that i just want to die. My sibling died becouse of sucide . And as no way to say good bye as hs spouse blamed my family. Got my siblings cremated and throw the ashes somewhere. We could not even get personaly items back. My sibling was much younger than the spouse who meet my sibloig when my sibling was juat a teen. And that person was an adult and i suspect abuse. I cant afford therapy but trying to get better.

[@Flornmonk]

Perfectly describes my dad.

[@cjk7063]

I think this is one of the video with the most views. Great!!

[@LisaHeaton-gc5yi]

My daughter had been exposed to bad aggressive and physical harrassment and bullying at school since prep to grade 3 in Australia Victorian school caused her to have histrionic personality disorder

[@susanauger3758]

I know a woman who has all above mentioned. Shes a real peach alright

[@ashleelalasmith2792]

Hey you know my mother lol

[@Hruk78]

Not all narcissists exhibit grandiose behavior; it might also be useful to address covert narcissistic behaviors?

[@crunchybunbun]

Imagine I know a couple where the man is narcissistic and the woman is histronic.

[@SuntaX10]

Hello Doc once again thanks for everything! I just want to know how many more videos to complete this series? Thank you!

[@MemorablePsych]

Not exactly sure yet but I'm estimating another 10-15! I've covered most major areas but there are still a few left plus some minor topics to include as well

[@cjk7063]

@@MemorablePsych Thank you for doing this. Your books help me so much in NP school. Truly appreciate that you made those videos since I'm a visual and auditory learner, this helps me tremendously. 🙏🤍

[@faryalfaryal]

It is so hard to be kind towards cluster B patients. Sometimes they do unforgivable things and then blame it on their disorders.

[@bobhuisbaas1]

No Mercy !

[@michaelmckay2046]

Genuine question, without their disorder would they do unforgivable things?

[@faryalfaryal]

​@@michaelmckay2046 Good question. They blame their bad behavior on a disorder but then there are a lot of people with less than ideal upbringing, and they still turn out to be angels.

[@michaelmckay2046]

@@faryalfaryal Two points there. Those other people might not have the disorder and you are talking about gene-environment interaction. You can't tell a sociopath to turn off the sociopath. You can tell an autistic to be less autistic. The very point of a disorder is it is a product of brain structure and chemistry.

[@Siegefya]

Or they blame "ADHD" which I realize a lot of them do that. Like no, that's no ADHD and it's not an excuse.

[@catherinepiper7830]

These are all diagnosis and our media treats it like a bad person. Umm we have to move to understanding and learning to help

[@LucieSalat]

You make NPD sound so benign however, it is extremely pernicious.

[@pureglow.koreanskincare111]

thank you, Please make a video for NPD. Because many people think NPD is just bragging, annoying brat who love attention, but I know different type of NPD that is very calm, put self image as number 1 (which mean they will act like angel on a public), but abused closer partner or family or kids behind close door.

[@lamentate07]

Mid range narcs are very common, especially among women. They can be extremely difficult to spot because they have great facades, but they cause all sorts of problems for their partners, spouses, children and basically anyone who crosses them in some way. I recently encountered one and paid for it big time. At least emotionally.

[@Michelle-mu2ux]

Expose these people.

[@calliope12994]

@@Michelle-mu2ux I agree autisic masking is disgusting. I mean who knows what they are hiding. Faking laughing at joke, truely chilling. I hope every neruodiverget person is exposed for the mentally ill abusive garbage that they are. They do not deserve help and if they ask for it they are manipulating you. Why would anyone with an illness that has a 40% suicide attempt rate every want help? Ridiculous suggestion. Please fix your compassion, it's broken.

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

Npd is different for everyone and can be comorbid with other disorders

[@A_n_y_t_i_m_e]

Check prof. Sam Vaknin, the father of the field. You'll find all the answers you need.

[@AndreeaCe]

So it is confused with depression...

[@gaurs230]

yes, cluster-b and anti-social

[@Davey-TheDJ]

Before I forget again when I also wanted to say was there's also the treatment of CBT that hasn't worked for me either but I'm willing to do that one again DBT no way I explained in the other video why I won't do DBT

[@nicorobin3597]

I was diagnosed with MDD, cluster B trait and severe anxiety but im not sure which one is my category(cluster B)my expert wrote cluster B only

[@Nik-h4q]

I have known a lot of ladies that were narcissistic and males that were histrionic. Like people that feel like they need to be special or theatre teachers. Not saying it isn’t a good generalization. Has not been my experience though.

[@richardlau2447]

Excellent, subscribed.

[@LexRex11]

I dont think women are more likely to be borderline. I think its more so men are more likely to not seek help and escape with drugs alcohol etc

[@sofitocyn100]

i just don't see any difference between borderline and borderline type one...

[@birdlover6842]

I was once diagnosed NPD and HPD. I am not grandiose and am unstable, neurotic. I do not self harm. I have no friends and no empathy. I think I am a primary psychopath and secondary psychopath. I have empty self esteem used to be low.

[@himesh5869]

how is your life right now? And how is your relationship going?

[@birdlover6842]

@@himesh5869 Awful. All alone and hated by most because selfish, try to impress, weird, stupid. Hope that is helpful. I am miserable. Elderly now and you feel worse when old.

[@himesh5869]

@@birdlover6842 I am sorry for whatever you are facing man. Maybe world doesnt thinks the way for you the way you are percieving yourself. Btw what is you age? PS: Incase you need a friend to vent out, we can add in fb or insta.

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

​@@birdlover6842I Hope you find happiness in life

[@leosmomkenza]

​@@birdlover6842I feel you I'm diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, I've once had it all and now I have nothing anymore everybody hates me and I've got no friends anymore, it's killing me cuz it's making me feel bad about my self and it's not boosting my ego I don't know what to do anymore.

[@stevebutler812]

I agree with everything you say except for one thing, and you were completely and totally wrong about that, narcissistic personality disorder can be every bit as destructive as any other personality disorder. A true narcissistic personality disorder person will use every means available to destroy every single person who doesn't basically worship them, similar to histrionic, but more severe. They will use the court systems, and I believe that this particular personality disorder is responsible for more cases of parent alienation syndrome than anyone is even prepared to investigate. Although the person with a narcissistic personality disorder may not be as negatively impacted in their own financial, or other aspects of their life, the web of destruction that they can enter twine people within Hass to be part of the severity rating, children, exes, coworkers, clients, etc. Their lack of insight is probably the most telling way to judge the severity of their capacity for distraction. If they take some responsibility and show some level of remorse, great. You got something to hang a toe on. But if you find yourself looking at somebody and you say this person has never taken actual responsibility for changing their behavior and actually shown true remorse and apologize to other people then you're looking at a narcissist with low insight and a very poor prognosis, and you may think it's an ASP. ASP and NPD can take pleasure in slights bcuz it gives opportunity for histrionics, or drama. Both can be destructive and remorseless- except they wish they caused even worse destruction. Very hard to Differentially Diagnose Cluster B's and maybe we fo not really grasp this human dimension well.

[@lamentate07]

Agree. Narcs also have problems with anger and feel negative emotions more intensely than most neurotypicals do. This is largely what drives their interpersonal problems. With money, narcs can go either way. They are quite impulsive so even if they are good at earning it, holding onto it is a different story. Regarding narcs with low insight, more grandiose ones can actually be closer to psychopaths.

[@letsplayg]

I think he means that narcisism is not as debilitating to the narcisist himself but more so to others while BPD/ASPD people feel way worse about themselves and often isolate, example: narcisists are often very successful compared to borderliners because they dont feel guilt consciously while borderliners feel guilt very intensely

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

A true narcissistic personality. Oh so you dehumanizing everyone with npd as that. Think being discarded and replaced is more likely than any of that. Or just them moving on. I personally wouldn't want to be associated with someone that views me this way or care enough to hurt you over it. Only people I've ever personally wanted to hurt was those who hurt me.

[@Estherbethe1...]

I appreciate the inclusion of gender roles in correlation to societal expectations.

[@clich126]

Great vid

[@ralfxephon1]

I just suscribed, greetings from México

[@FlaviaSantos-rh2ee]

Very good video

[@brianandrews6124]

Thank you!

[@mtm105]

My ASPD now in jail. Walked out of self- checkout at super market 8X. I’ve never been more at peace.

[@pacifiquebusiness]

Thank You 🩺😊

[@millymay0025]

Great video

[@f.f.a2414]

V useful content Keep it up…

[@hjf3022]

Can someone explain to me the social expectations aspect? If it is more socially acceptable for men to have the traits of narcissistic personality disorder, wouldn't that mean they would blend in better, and be less likely to be diagnosed? Likewise if a woman displayed those traits, you'd expect it to cause a greater level of dysfunction to their life, and they'd be more likely to be diagnosed?

[@ampersand6375]

They don't see anything wrong with their behavior. They think it's normal. Especially histrionic, which is more or less woman narcissist.

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

I think you have a wrong idea of people diagnosed with npd grandiose or vunerable. We do blend in perfectly. I didn't lower my mask until I got married and had four kids. you trying to diagnose someone you don't personally know is comical

[@hjf3022]

​@@apatheticxmindsetx3549was this supposed to be directed at someone else? It doesn't seem to match up with what you are responding to.

[@sayyadanoorussabah2045]

Well articulated..

[@le_th_]

narcissistic borderline histrionic antisocial Cluster B disorder aka the "wild" cluster... all 4 disorders share the following... -all are high in neuroticism -all have low self-esteem -all have an unstable sense of identity -all are extremely sensitive to rejection or criticism -all are thin-skinned -all are deeply wounded by even the slightest indignities -all are a combination of emotional instability and poor self-image (and this is common in both males and females) See independent videos for a more in-depth explanation.

[@keradasilva2509]

Sounds accurate but a little off only cause I've seen other traits in histrionic and nassasism ...they claim the don't get violent but I've seen it...but it's rare of course cause they prefer manipulation...but yeah borderline and antisocial are closely related and have a tendency to explode...I myself am borderline and I had friends with antisocial or traits and one of them was not even quick to explode like I did...so I'm assuming it varies...he would have a tempertantrum and was manipulative but I was more of the ..I will get you sucker..didn't do it alot but have been known.

[@ay-tj7pj]

All these are bs. The people you need to be worried about are the "NORMAL" people. Constantly pointing out other people's flaws.

[@notsure8012]

Therapy theas ntz. Accept your uniqueness embrace them and keep getting back up and trudging! God Is king!

[@RStagarts]

Why are adolescents not diagnosed with ASPD?

[@A_n_y_t_i_m_e]

They naturally tend to be in your face, F off, reckless etc, also extremely narcissistic. If this persists in early adulthood (after age 18), then there's a problem. Only BPD is diagnosable in adolescence.

[@Kaneblade2492]

I have everything here but the first and last 😂 shyt crazyyyyy

[@TheDarZone]

TY for this video. At 7:20 you mention something that I've heard many times: "narcissists are dealing with LOW SELF-ESTEEM & a DEEP NEED FOR LOVE." But, IMHO, (1.) many of these difficult people DON'T have low self-esteem, their arrogance is genuine, but they DEEPLY RESENT that others don't properly RECOGNISE/CELEBRATE their superiority (chip on shoulder). (2.) they crave ADMIRATION; they DISDAIN love & the "Idiots" who feel it. Furthermore, I think that they would readily agree with every word of both of these understandings.

[@kcj2862]

Don't agree with you. “[The biggest misconception about narcissists] is that they love themselves. They don’t! This is a disorder of self-loathing because of all that inadequacy and the ugly insecurity. They hate themselves, and then they project it onto other people. … They keep comparing themselves to everyone; they are constantly anxious and angry. They feel like they are victims and [the whole world] is out together [against them]. Now that’s a difficult way to live, … because they feel like they are always getting the short end of the stick.” - Dr. Ramani Durvasula.

[@TerraUmbraVampWriter]

I know the things I’ve watched from med circle agree on narcissists being very insecure, but they are arrogant and believe themselves perfect, so they lash out when that’s challenged, they can’t handle not being special. That’s at least my experience with my ex.

[@kcj2862]

@@TerraUmbraVampWriter Watch the expert Dr. Ramani. I mostly watched her on Medcircle. You want to know about narcs, watch her.

[@Lily083]

People with npd do have low self esteem. They just have told them selves countless times to the point where they literally believe anything.

[@taci5758]

They definitely do have low self esteem.their arrogance often comes from a false sense of self and constant comparison to others . That’s why they need constant validation or make those around them feel small. Their grandiose personality comes off is confident ,But if you stay quiet enough and observant enough they will eventually tell you who they truly are. Even the finest ones I have a number of insecurities .

[@privatedeletebuttongooglei5221]

What GIVES JASON?

[@akilahxade_1921]

you ate.

[@asherdavss7819]

The video was great but you are just completely wrong about the reasons pertaining the differences in gender. It is not culture that causes men to have a higher tendency towards narcissistic or antisocial disorders, and the same can be said for women and the other pair of cluster B, it is certainly biological or mainly biological, and culture is a reflection of that reality. It is very obvious once you look the data across cultures or look at the evolutionary differences in the human sexes.

[@simonmarumbe]

Thank you!!!

[@privatedeletebuttongooglei5221]

Did not do edit will not take

[@oaw972]

The question is Why is this such a problem, why do these people exist? It's not all abuse related, plenty of people are abused and turn out to be decent human beings. These people are all liars so even if they tell me they were abused I simply don't believe them.

[@watcher5729]

worsened with substances to crime or hard sabotage

[@ashleelalasmith2792]

Can someone have all 4 cluster bs

[@apatheticxmindsetx3549]

Technically yes but I've never seen it

[@kma-ux3ci]

I am cluster A not cluster at all cluster B

[@Mech_Wizard]

Well, narcisisim is a bit more than just "bragging", they are the most manipulative and treacherous and insidious and are the incarnation of all the synonyms of the word "deception". Antisocial person may take away your car, but the narcissist can shatter your sanity, enslave you and abuse you for years or even decades. Bragging? Nobody couldn't care less about just bragging.

[@Lovethyself83]

Ugh! 😩 I work in a psych ward and the cluster b patients are the absolute worst 🥴

[@alexianeves]

I've experienced a person that showed histrionic pd and if they think your a threat best believe they will through flying monkeys.. Thank God she was just way too dramatic for people to care about her lies. I've met a borderline and they are much more manageable, still dramatic but you can tell they are trying their best ton manage it.

[@tomasallende9583]

You met 2 people, you're talking about it as if you were in discovery channel. One person will not represent the entire group, this is something most children understand. Crazy how you went from ''one person'' to ''they'' twice.

[@alexianeves]

@@tomasallende9583 no no I’m talking about my experience and how I view them. They are in a constant struggle with themselves and I’ve been in the brunt of it. Didn’t mean to come off as a know it all lol. Do you know anyone close to you who is histrionic? If so how are they like? If I may ask.

[@tomasallende9583]

@@alexianeves diagnosed no, my dad is a narcissist and his life is sad, but he harms other people worst so... I know a girl who wasn't diagnosed but her therapist was pretty sure she was histrionic with borderline features and she was pretty cool, she had a drug problem like me but seemed like a nice person.

[@alexianeves]

@@tomasallende9583 I hear ya, at maybe I’m a lil biased but after and during my encounter it prompt me to study these personality traits it helps me sympathize with them despite being treated like crap.

[@Henort_101]

I am histrionic myself and I am a male. Honestly if I could describe this feeling it’s like as if I didn’t exist if I am not noticed by any other person. Being with myself is extremely difficult. The sense of self-emptiness appears if there’s no one in the room apart from me. Just as if I needed a mirror who’d be the other person to see who I am. I did a lot of self improvement and prolly don,t hit the diagnosis criteria anymore tho, but the predispositions are there…

[@glenbeck1294]

You keep claiming the gender differences are cultural. Do you have evidence? Aren't these differences stable across cultures?

[@swaggranted6146]

Literally me

[@reharl4953]

Basically the core of political extremism, especially those who push for radical collectivism. It allows for maximal control.

[@ponponpatapon9670]

i don't know how you are personally using "collectivism", but assuming you're talking about THOSE DAMN COMMIES!!!!!!!, then socialism would in fact be a system of minimal control. "An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled by the people collectively". that doesn't sound authoritarian to me - and if anything, it sounds immensely idealistic and incredibly incompatible with human nature.

[@Davey-TheDJ]

I was diagnosed with cluster B in 1996 confirmed in 97 confirmed in 2010 and now just confirmed again here in 2024 with different doctors each time every time I move I have to prove because they can't get the records from the previous doctor I told him who the doctor was they just never signed a paper for me to sign cuz I told him the address and everything I don't know where it's at now by the way I did the test again and I proved it it was a long test must I say and you know what right now since I'm not in therapy I don't care about this I really don't I haven't I haven't you like me or you don't you love me or you hate me either it is or it ain't I could go on all day can I have been on 4 different videos now

[@toychicauwu1562]

Historic 🤔

[@PumaSchatz07]

That gender axis only reinforces harmful stereotypes. "Diagnosed more often" is not a part of a definiton. :/