WHY is Boeing Facing CRIMINAL Charges?!

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[@sunshineflyer]

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[@Infamousfour]

Talking about somthing criminal...

[@TeslaandAirbusesarewaytoofun]

Culture follows products and the products are so heavily compromised that if the SMS worked as it should the fixes would bankrupt the company. So employees are left with mixed messages and probably just show up for a paycheck. Luckily for them they know customers have no choice but to buy. So throttle SMS, lobby Congress, and hope it blows over.

[@joedarkness808]

Please stop shilling for betterscam your better than that

[@barretblake]

They absolutely should face criminal charges. Too many of these CEOs walk away from these criminal acts with their golden parachutes.

[@SeanBZA]

Should swap them for lead ones, and also if they have such faith in the company first flights on all aircraft should be done with them as passengers, and with a waiver that they will not receive any insurance payouts in case of their death or injury as well.

[@mwngw]

I'll add Lou Gerstner, Michael Dell, and Carli Fiorina..3 pioneers of IT Outsourcing and INSOURCING. A.k.a., laying off experienced Americans and replacing them with cheap foreign labor.

[@theslayer309]

100%. Sucks golden parachutes are literal. Imagine execs falling to the ground in a plane they built for lack of QA and/or the parachutes fail because they weren't QAed right either.

[@SeanBZA]

@@mwngw All 3 short term profits, they vanished with all the profits as bonus, leaving the shell behind to nearly collapse because the only thing left was barely a name. But you also have to toss in the hedge fund companies, who buy smaller companies, hollow them out for profit, and sell off the remains as a brand name only, with nothing left of value.

[@eleventy-seven]

They shoul have after the two max crashes.

[@waldopepper4069]

"we cant find the door plug documents that would incriminate us". "tragically, the whistleblower witness that fought for 14 years to get this matter to court, has suicided himself on the eve of achieving that". "we made some decisions based on greed that killed over 300 people, but safety is our top priority" . yeah right. lets hope they ARE criminally investigated.

[@justinhamilton8647]

they will never be investigated properly. they are first and foremost a defense contractor. planes, and therefore safety, are second in their eyes. The Boeing Company makes 49% of their profits through federal government contracts. Since October 7th, they’ve made approximately 50 to 100 billion dollars selling arms to Israel. If you think they give a damn about commercial aviation, you’d be sorely mistaken! Evident by missing documents and unsafe practices everywhere you look and probable killing of whistleblowers. They’re not gonna let some rando crying about planes destroy their billions in defense contracts.

[@BlueSkyUp_EU]

Actually, I think that not having those documents is even more incriminating for the company and it's gonna delay further more their deliveries. Some faulty papers would have resulted in them having to fix those exact issues. No papers put everything in to question and prolongs way mare the time needed for them to get back in to the game.

[@justinhamilton8647]

The Boeing Company makes 49% of their profits through federal government contracts. Since October 7th, they’ve made approximately 50 to 100 billion dollars selling arms to Israel. If you think they give a damn about commercial aviation, you’d be sorely mistaken. Evident by missing documents and probable “wiping” of whistleblowers. They’re not gonna let some rando crying about planes destroy their billions in defense contracts.

[@gpaull2]

@@scroatymcboogerballs8554- Link or something to back that up?

[@gpaull2]

@@scroatymcboogerballs8554- Proof? FYI I’ve worked with a lot of female AMEs and they have all been excellent and professional.

[@PghGameFix]

THey don't have build documents ?!?!?! I'm building a plane in my garage, and I can't get an airworthy cert without my build documentation. This is ridiculous.

[@sewasewa6585]

😊😊go look in Boeing garbage bins, you will probably find some signed papers you can use.

[@RCAvhstape]

@@sewasewa6585 According to this video, those documents may have never existed.

[@yuxuanhuang3523]

@@RCAvhstape I would rather believe in aliens then think they have no documents on how to install a door. Even Ikea furniture has installation manuals

[@BTheBear]

@@yuxuanhuang3523it’s not documentation on how. It’s documentation on who removed it, when, why, and what process was involved. Then who reinstalled it, when, why, what process was used, and finally who inspected the reinstall.

[@snorttroll4379]

is that stuff made automatically or is it shit you have to fill out? in that case I understand why they do not have it.@@BTheBear

[@petedenton9434]

Interesting. About 15 years ago I did a lot of work with a failing hospital. The hospital has been failing for many years at the time (but has improved significantly since). We found two key cultural problems which had led to worsening performance/safety: 1. Bullying leadership - led to pressure to report good performance. People reported what they thought their managers wanted to hear and this often led to inaccurate data. Leadership believed things were better than they were because they took at data at face value. 2. 'Frozen Gateau Syndrome' - people at the top of the organisation wanted things improve and to know what was going on; people delivering services to patients know what was going on and wanted to improve; but people in the middle seemed more interested in furthering their careers than they were in the truth getting between the two outer layers. Leadership trusted ambitious middle managers more than they should have and failed to put effective processes in place to engage with people working at delivery level. This all sounds very familiar in the context of the current Boeing situation...

[@tjroelsma]

Your second point becomes all the more clear when you hear that at Boeing every new manager supposedly had one core job: cut costs wherever you can to raise profits. The first managers had it easy, as huge companies traditionally have a lot of fat that can be cut away, but after a couple of managers that fat has already been cut, so they start cutting into things like safety margins, skilled personnel etc. And from there on the whole company is pretty much on a slippery slope. This is also the point where management tools like documentation starts to "fail", because more and more shortcuts are being made and the company/managers don't want those shortcuts to have a paper trail. This practice of profits over quality/safety supposedly has been going on ever since the merger between Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas, so I think it's fair to say that some of the safety margins at this time might be either paper thin or even worse non-existent.

[@dooder126]

You could attribute these two root causes to any corporation listed on the nasdaq. It’s absolute nonsense. And I mean this is the most agreeant way possible. Perhaps if pay scale were properly balanced from top to bottom there might not be nearly the incentive to participate in the rat race….. 🤔

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

You are absolutely correct. I would add that IME the middle managers cultivate a cosy relationships with certain clinicians and appoint them as medical managers. The reason these Drs accept is because they are clinically suspect, and the managers will ‘help’ them if there are clinical incidents and patient complaints. They resent good, competent clinicians because it shows them up and do their best to sabotage them. The best Drs leave. Which drives down good outcomes, and increases errors, complications and deaths.

[@CiaranMaxwell]

@@lulabellegnostic8402 This happens in nursing management, as well. Even from those who aren't incompetent, merely ambitious.

[@XPuntar]

Ambitious, ego-driven people are always a liability because they will cut corners at every step to get what they want (as fast as possible)!

[@machdaddy6451]

What a concept that a CEO be held accountable, rather than being given a bonus for this kind of screw up.

[@jackalovski1]

I used to be an engineer working in the automotive manufacturing industry. The factory I worked for made safety critical electrical switches for automotive manufacturers including scania. They had very strict safety standards specifically TS16949 which is an expansion of the ISO standards. Officially the company had a “no blame culture” so that if someone discovered a mistake they could report it without fear of retribution or retaliation so that faults could be caught quickly and not filter to the end user. Unfortunately the management were lazy, childish and penny pinching so they resorted to disciplinary action on team members which resulted in any faults being hidden by the staff. This poor management was a main contributing factor to why I left the company. it is very easy in the current economic environment to threaten staff to keep silent with the threat of unemployment and I have no doubts that this is something Boeing is doing.

[@charlesbruggmann7909]

Especially those 2500 who work for the FAA but are paid by Boeing.

[@jpcaretta8847]

Incompetent, highly paid, spineless, management just good at money pinching to please wall street is what is destroying our western society. Hiring workers to fill quotas, woke, diversity instead of competence is the final blow. I saw it coming decades ago.

[@georgedyson9754]

@@charlesbruggmann7909 This has been a tendency in many industries because the government does not want to directly hire inspectors. I am not sure if this is for political reasons - maybe lobbyists wanted to see this direct inspection stopped and these lobbyists are the source for campaign funds for politicians. But this internal company inspection process looks awfully like wolves looking the chicken house to me. .

[@johnnunn8688]

@@charlesbruggmann7909absolutely should not be allowed.

[@johannesgutsmiedl366]

@@johnnunn8688 it's completely normal in the aviation industry and normally works very well, but it does require the company management to actually care about safety and quality... which considering how boeing is doing economically right now should obviously be in their interest even if they don't have any morals at all, which is why this system normally works just fine

[@davidwebb4904]

Boeing employees too scared to whistleblow, in case they suddenly feel suicidal……

[@utha2665]

Yeah, it was coincidental he was due to testify the next day. 🤔

[@kenbrown2808]

@@utha2665 he had already testified.

[@mikezappulla4092]

Oh you think this is just boring? lol.

[@nathank4708]

Yeah kinda funny a whistle blower that was testifying, to bring light of Boeing. Felt so bad he decided to take his life? 🤔 wonder who( politicians) have stock in Boeing? If im not correct. Boing has a DOD contract?

[@nathank4708]

​@@kenbrown2808if i heard correct he was set to testify the next day also

[@MelanieRuck-dq5uo]

The 'door man' is on leave from 'medical reasons'? Gosh! That's a lucky coincidence!

[@charlesbruggmann7909]

This might explain why DoJ and FBI are getting involved. They have rather greater investigative powers than NTSB.

[@Bob.martens]

Sent home with a firearm, and get well wishes.

[@MelanieRuck-dq5uo]

@@Bob.martens Love your comment. A dark, but very clever one!

[@Bob.martens]

@@MelanieRuck-dq5uo Boeings thoughts and prayers are with him.

[@jimrobin]

Is his name Benson?

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[@braindeadbogan9272]

Thank you raising awareness.

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[@hidden-treasures]

I worked in an aerospace environment where engineering contractors fabricated technical reports for pay. I read some of these totally bogus reports that cost hundreds of thousands. I was pressured to falsify reports as well, but refused. They tried to terminate me, but were unsuccessful. I had won an outside award that made it politically difficult. They say "people couldn't keep a secret that long". Yes they can. Fear is a powerful motivator.

[@rabbitcreative]

Irony here... Water finds it's level. Apparently that's too big to keep secret too.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

Just to clarify something Peter: The justice department doesn't necessarily need to suspect a person or organisation's intentionally commited a crime. Negligence or willful ignorance can also be prosecuted when it is extreme.

[@Argosh]

Considering the "Justice" System in the USA this is only gonna make the situation worse. Small fries who can't afford lawyers will be "held accountable" while the executives who pushed these policies will walk free. Not only is that unjust, it also means that safety will suffer even more. It flies in the face of reporting culture. And that's not even talking about the possibility that a Whistle-blower might have been murdered...

[@ianirwin9480]

They'll just resign and never give back the millions they were given for making these lethal decisions, and claim millions more in compensation too

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

Unfortunately, that's true. One of the biggest drivers of inequality in the US is the justice system. It's just completely broken. From elected judges who lack the most basic understanding of the law, to extremely expensive lawyers that can't be compensated by the other party, it's a travesty. I've seen so many people get screwed by their boss, by random companies and even by their teachers in school because of behavior so obviously wrong that it'd be summarily slapped down by a court in Europe--and the opposing party would have footed the bill.

[@RCAvhstape]

The "Justice" Department is too busy targeting the regime's political enemies to bother with doing anything the right way.

[@TheExileFox]

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[@RCAvhstape]

My comment about the Justice Department got nuked by yt censors.

[@LazyDaisyDay88]

There is clearly an horrific lack of accountability at Boeing. The only real surprise to ordinary consumers (passengers) like me, is that no one at the senior management level has yet been prosecuted. Criminal charges feel long overdue...

[@Argosh]

How does this surprise you? It should be exceedingly obvious that US laws are only enforced against the have-nots.

[@markstewart4501]

You do not sound like your familiar with the USA's accountability towards senior management; we NEVER hold them accountable.

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

Boeing just RULES !

[@brabecjakub]

They wont be. Big corps. Probably somebody from midmanagement will end fired / in jail

[@saulruiz9467]

And they walk away with 45-55million dollars ij bonus and 401k pensions ect ect

[@AvionicsEducation]

As a former Boeing employee and no I am not suicidal. I think it’s criminal what they did to my beloved 737. I just think that people are tired of watching executives making decisions that lead to death not being held accountable. One solution is to stop the golden parachutes given out for failure. I am really hoping that tell the stockholders to take a little less money and let us make Boeing great again.

[@BrianBell4073]

Slightly irrelevant but I'm a techie.We were asked in 2001 to tender for an NHS project. It was a big project for us. Just shy of a billion quid. The politician in charge had dropped out of uni after 6 months, but had his ideas on how it should be done. He hadn't a clue. We were delivering global projects on time and under budget every week. I looked at his plan and said (sorry I don't normally swear) "This is bullshit. Everything is wrong. It would be easier to run a car on trees." I got fired, they spent 7 billion more than expected on the project and then cancelled it because they couldn't make it work. 10 years later I get a call. "Can you fix this" "Yeah - I want my team back. (120 MSCE techies and Microsoft Trainers).You will need to find them, I don't have phone numbers or valid email addys for them. Everyone gets double pay. It is easy to fix and if that politician prick even shows his nose I'll break it. CEO, legend that he is found all my techies. Every single one of them. Paid them the agreed rate and we completed the project in about 8 months. We still charged them 7 billion quid to be honest but if they had listened to a bunch of people who were doing this every day of the week 10 years earlier they might have got away with about half a million plus hardware

[@richardkranium2944]

Politicians are the only people that regularly get paid to accomplish nothing, yet keep their jobs and get raises.

[@cbcdesign001]

Whoever fired you is just as incompetent as the politician.

[@briertunes]

Absolutely love this approach! Will suggest it to our team behind the scenes supporting Boeing whistle blowers in case one of them gets in a position to accomplish this. We in Seattle (and other locations) are deeply grieved for those who have been walked out after holding up the quality system (as per their annually-signed Code of Conduct). These people need their livelihood back immediately. Incidentally, this video is spot-on as to the culture, but the agencies should know an effective Quality SYSTEM is already in place and worked very well until the CULTURE shifted. Boeing doesn't need to invent a system, just apply the 5 PRINCIPLES presented here to the one already established. New CEO was selected by existing (deficient) culture, so we are doubtful about his effectiveness. The flying public needs to keep pressure on to encourage him to do the right things. Thank you all for being a part of keeping this in the news until it's fixed.

[@georgedyson9754]

These deferred deals need to be stopped. Individual, especially senior management, need to face direct accountability PERSONALLY - and even jail time needs to be a possible outcome..Paying off a penalty from the company is not a satisfactory way to improve the future as it is not the management's money and they are not financially impacted directly. It is the DECISION makers that need to be held accountable NOT the company.

[@sudeeptaghosh]

Also management needs to have real industry experience like engineers with real experience..

[@alexanderSydneyOz]

​@@sudeeptaghosh having engineering experience does not qualify you for management. Further comet as has been pointed out numerous times in numerous KZbin videos, the previous CEO of boeing who was in his position when the MCAS debacle was developing, was an engineer.

[@sudeeptaghosh]

@@alexanderSydneyOz too many paper pushers ..

[@johnchristmas7522]

The trouble is, the law treats the "the company" as a separate entity. Thats how guilty CEO's close down a company and start another, to carry on being a criminal.

[@ashkebora7262]

@alexanderSydneyOz How fucking stupid of you. Utterly pathetic. You say _engineers_ wouldn't work, when that is EXACTLY the era of Boeing that everyone says was wonderful. Your understanding is dogmatic ignorance. Again, pathetic.

[@firefighter4443]

Please, yes, criminal charges for these executives who chase profit margins at all costs, including human lives as a cost.

[@mmtot]

The entire justice system is just as bad. The US is being taken down from within.

[@ellicel]

Exactly. What the Boeing executive firings news doesn't mention is the many, many millions these scumbags will get as they leave. If the worst that can happen to you is a milti-million dollar payout there's no incentive for any new executives to behave differently than those being ousted now.

[@DennisWWhipple]

@@ellicelAgree with you here…as it will be hard to get back to engineers who really know what their product is running Boeing vs. the “bottom line” profit only types absorbed from McDonald Douglas. And relocate headquarters back to the Seattle area.

[@ericstyles3724]

The same fuquads that rushed delivery of the DC-10, causing 2 accidents that were due to not ironing out simple problems that needed to be rendered before public flying approval. 1 more accident was a rushed human error in reinstalling an engine that came off for repair work. The DC-10 ultimately became a trusted airworthy work-horse but for yrs was comdemed in the public eye. The exploitive corporate culture indentured in the defence contract industry is quite a bit different from the public face of manufacturers of public commercial airliners. When they merged w Boeing in 1996 they slowly went to work bulllying all the good out of Boeing's culture of safety & scrutiny that they were famous for, just to manipulate their stock prices thru insider trading stock buyback schemes.

[@PaulVerhoeven2]

There are no profit margins when you have all those losses. It is VERY VERY false to assume that mismanagement is profitable for the company and its shareholders, just for the managers sometimes when they get their bonuses based on short-term metrics instead of long-term company health.

[@UR_Mind]

I've grown up in Seattle, and lived here my entire life so far (30 years or so). Most of my family works for Boeing. The real nail in their coffin happened when they decided to move management out of state, after finishing the 777 back in the '90s. The 787, 737 max, the 777 max project, the Orion capsule, and a few military projects, are suffering because management is mentally and physically too far from where these planes are actually being manufactured. I've thought this for a long time, so these incidents don't exactly surprise me, which is sad. As soon as accountants, and not engineers started running things at Boeing, things started going down hill fast. I'm not saying this is the current problem with boeing, just the start of the ones their facing now. This company has been such a big part of my life, and it's being run by morons right now. It makes me so angry. Old Boeing had its share of problems, don't get me wrong, but they weren't trying to kill someone every time a plane took off. It reminds me, my mom asked me if I wanted to work in airline manufacturing or engineering because of how much I like aviation. I told her I didn't want to learn French....

[@MultiChrisjb]

I would be difficult to screw up such an awesome reputation, but somehow they've done it! What an amazing company.

[@stephengloor8451]

Totally agree. The accountants in management hate engineering messing up their plans for stock price increases with pesky technical problems accountants don't understand. Obviously (to an accountant) the solution is to move further away to make the problems go away.

[@MarinCipollina]

When Boeing bought out McDonnell - Douglas, it seemed like the other way around.. MD profiteering mentality transferred to Boeing. Hell.. even the new Boeing logo looks like the old MD logo.. Who took over whom?

[@ignatiusryd2031]

Be careful man, a commenter clown called as nickoliver might going to went rampage in your comment.

[@mughug9616]

Any company has it's share of problems but this is rediculous and taints the fantastic reputation of Boeing built up over the decades. Shameful.

[@Archangelm127]

Put an engineer in charge, someone who gives zero f*cks about getting into fights with suits or shareholders.

[@shingshongshamalama]

CEOs should be elected from below, not appointed from outside.

[@Archangelm127]

@@shingshongshamalama That just brings in a different set of problems.

[@andreasferenczi7613]

Nah, the shareholders ARE in charge, they are just too lazy to use their power (or don't care enough). In corporate world all you need to do is make the shareholders care. Then they put an engineer in charge if that's what's needed. Boeing should be slapped so hard, that they never recover again. That will make shareholders care in the future, especially if the DOJ and the courts continue to slap any corporation hard, that doesn't take safety seriously enough, regardless of their size.

[@derain95]

@@Archangelm127 How could it be worse than this? Are safety standards and QC scary to you?

[@Archangelm127]

@@andreasferenczi7613 Choosing the leadership of a money-making organization by demagoguery of the employees is hilarious, I grant you, but utterly impractical.

[@zh84]

I'm reminded of Richard Feynman's investigation of the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. Management told him - AFTER the explosion - that the chance of losing an orbiter was about 1 in 10,000 launches. Actually they did 135 launches and lost two orbiters, so management thought the Shuttle system was 150 times safer than it actually was.

[@jimle22]

I worked in the Shuttle Program and retired after 20 years. I can tell you from the investigation reports that both times it was failure at the management level. Nuff said.

[@honkhonk8009]

@@jimle22 MBA's are litteral parasites. These clowns are clueless about what they sell. They literally underperform against people who know what their doing, but delude themselves into thinking their important.

[@spvillano]

@@jimle22 it always comes back to management, because most failures are found to result from a lack of leadership being present within the organizational culture. If the leadership does not buy in and fully support safety programs, as just one example, support for those programs erodes, corners get cut in an ever narrowing spiral until one gets components falling off, O rings freeze and fail and well, it starts raining aircraft and spacecraft. Oh, just heard another 1 in 10000 chance event involving NASA. A family found some odd junk raining down on their home, turned out to be batteries ejected from the ISS three years ago. Estimated chances of that debris landing in an inhabited area, 1 in 10000.

[@UserDefaultEurope]

I can’t see the orbiters themselves as ”guilty” for the two total losses. Had the orbiter ridden on top of the stack, as one design proposal suggested, perhaps we’d have second generation shuttles flying today, instead of Twitler’s Ferengi Pods, which can’t be used for repairing something like the Hubble and lack proper bringback capacity.

[@spvillano]

@@UserDefaultEurope the orbiters never had a fault that was fatal, for one, the SRB O ring failure allowed the fuel to burn through and impact the external fuel tank, for the other, ice broke off and damaged the heat resistant tiles protecting the orbiter. Both were external issues that destroyed the orbiter, but without the SRB's or external fuel tank, the orbiter would've been incapable of getting off of the ground, let alone living up to the title orbiter.

[@derrickjenniferdunn8621]

I know there are national security and other concerns.... but if the NTSB has to wait months for documentation, someone needs to walk up to the factory door and pad lock it. ZERO airplanes allowed to be sold until you comply. It's called "license to operate". The government has the power to be much more draconian on Boeing if they want. Also, someone needs to hold the FAA accountable for being complicit in all of this. Including criminally.

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

The NTSB are not as important in this as Mrs Blondie would like everyone to think. It will have all been fixed and understood 2 years before their final report.

[@j.f.fisher5318]

On the other hand, letting Boeing become a nest of corruption also has defense implications. Boeing is one of America's most critical defense prime contractors. Yes they can't be allowed to fail but also cannot be allowed to become so corrupt they can't support our national defense infrastructure.

[@MarinCipollina]

Considering the national security implications involved with BOEING as a prime defense contractor, that's not going to happen.

[@mughug9616]

Suspect too many goverment hands have been greased by Boeing over the years.

[@drforjc]

@@MarinCipollina Not to mention the absolutely disastrous economic effect of shuttering the biggest single employer in a Metropolitan area of 4.03 million.

[@dextermorgan1]

Hell yes they're guilty. Their disgraced CEO got millions in bonuses a few weeks ago when he got "fired". Every suit at Boeing ahold go to prison.

[@daCubanaqt]

CEOs always get a golden parachute. It’s pretty messed up.

[@DontLookAtMeLookAtPoo]

Criminal lawyer here. It should also be pointed out that criminal conduct often involves intentional acts but not always. Criminal negligence, and recklessness for example are non-intentional conduct that can create criminal liability.

[@TheEulerID]

Recklessness is, by definition, intentional as it is a choice to behave in a way without regard to consequences (at least in my part of the world). It can be difficult to prove as it involves showing a state of mind. Negligence is a bit different in that it may be intentional, but it night just be gross incompetence.

[@SSJCLIFF]

​@TheEulerID He is referring to the legal sense. e.g. You may not have acted intentionally to cause the car crash, but you still drove recklessly. Criminal law normally requires the actus reus (the actual act), and the mens rea (the mental intention to commit that act). Recklessness gets around this.

[@JB-yl4om]

@@TheEulerIDThis misunderstands ‘intention.’ Here the issue is mens rea, and some crimes have specific intent requirements - I.e. I intended to cause injury. Recklessness and negligence are different in that I need not have intended the harm.

[@ukchanak]

@@SSJCLIFF but they knew people might die if they cut corners. we need laws to deal with companies cutting safety corners for money and relying on liability insurance to pay out hush money to victims families.

[@alexanderSydneyOz]

​@@ukchanak"people might die", if you manufacture aeroplanes and they fly them. Your ignorant comment shows absolutely no understanding the legal processes

[@gnicholson4231]

As an ex-B737 Captain and an Aviation Lawyer I am most interested in this topic, but since my legal qualification is in UK I do not feel qualified to make detailed comments on the US Dept. of Justice moves under US Law, other than to say there does seem to be the possibility that criminal charges be brought as a result.

[@alli3219]

I think most YT denizens rather concerned about the moral / ethical side of things rather than the strictly legal / criminal, even though there's a substantial overlap.

[@cennsa140driver]

I was a quality systems engineer for over 20 years. Quality systems are as good as the managers that support them.

[@tomhutchins7495]

It doesn't matter what processes exist if employees are discouraged from following them. In the corporate world I was repeatedly instructed to lie on timesheets and had senior managers change them after submission "because we can't say the project is taking this long". Told "there's no point reporting that, nothing will change", and directly threatened with job loss because "my attitude suggested I didn't fit the culture". Processes are just backside-covering from management who can point to them when under pressure.

[@kenwhitfield219]

This the perfect example of why corporate culture, once contaminated with ‘profits ahead of safety’ is going to be almost impossible to eradicate without a wholesale management change from top to bottom. Including every member of the board of directors. Once lost, the corporate culture required to install “Safety First and Foremost” throughout the company can never be achieved until all those infected by “profits is the #1 priority” absolutely rules all decision making. Boeing knew 30 years ago that in order to better compete with the Airbus A320, a clean sheet design for a brand new narrow body airplane was needed. It was because it would require both a clean break from the 737, and most critically a very huge investment to build a brand new replacement design Boeing management decided to make the cheapest decision to maintain production of a then 30-year old airplane rather than invest in an all-new aircraft that would be at least as innovative as its competition would make such an airplane cost prohibitive. Thinking more about the past rather than the longer term future doomed all the new airplane designs. Even today, the proposals for a mid-market 797 have been deemed too expensive. Further delays however, make doing the inevitable even more expensive. Years ago, after successfully concluding design and build of the 757 and 767, it was proposed to developed a shorter 757/to replace the 737. Aircraft empty weight issues, combined with the need to redesign a smaller and lighter weight wing killed the practicality of that design study. Southwest and United Airlines weighed in also by demanding an airplane more similar to the 737 rather than one too different. One that must operate and that can be maintained just like an older 737, rather than one that merely looked differently. Before that, the 7J7 proposal proffered an updated 727 design that could shortened to satisfy the need for the 737. However, the propulsion technology was not able to generate a new engine that was suitable. Here we are 40 years later with no effective replacement an efficient and effective “short ugly fat fellow” airplane replacement for the original 737-100/200 first build in the mid-1960s. While Airbus has taken the Boeing invented “common type rating airplane” concept to new heights with their evolved fly-by-wire A320 by adding A330, A340, A380 and ultimately A350 airplanes to their portfolio of airplane options. All of which offer minimal crew and maintenance training differences between all their airplane types. Taking one basic aircraft design and modifying it to fit many different mission requirements, from 100 seats up to 500 seats, and from regional airline missions up to ultra-long range, one stop around the world capable airplanes. All models using similarly trained pilots, mechanics/engineers and common spare parts inventories. How did Airbus achieve this? By having one aircraft engineering design team that used very similar design solutions intended to be shared among airplanes with differing fuselage lengths that are basically defined by the different airline mission requirements for passenger or cargo capacity and flight range specifications. Boeing, instead had two or arguably three different airplane design teams that specialized in either single aisle or twin aisle airplane or military designs which resulted in independent design solutions depending on fuselage size and mission requirements rather than a single multi-talented design team. Which resulted in different Renton, Everett and Seattle based design solutions. Only much later did Boeing attempt to integrate its airplane design teams. What we see from Boeing today is a company of engineers managed by corporate bean-counting accountants who aren’t even colocated with the airplane designers and the factories where they build the airplanes. This, again, is going to necessitate a wholesale re-writing of Boeing corporate culture that takes the company back to its family culture roots and far away from its purely profit-motivated culture that persists today.

[@Ryarios]

I’ve worked at places where workers were ‘empowered’ to stop any action they thought was unsafe - even if it wasn’t part of their work without fear of retribution. I don’t know of a single worker that believed it in the least.

[@dishonorable_daimyo1498]

This is a major blindspot when designing fancy IT systems: people think that these issues are "tech problems" when they are not, they are indeed "people problems."

[@briertunes]

@tomhutchins7495, true. Boeing actually has world class processes. Employees are being dismissed for following them (at least in the Quality Management System) and rewarded for working around them. This whole situation would have been far less costly in time and in dollars (and lives!) had the processes in place been available for use by all employees. Hence the "intentional" and "negligent" parts of the DOJ's investigation... management has repeatedly dismissed workers when they follow Quality procedures, but we do have some good people who are still willing to take that risk. Wrongfully terminated employees should be rehired immediately; I wish the new CEO would address that!

[@jeromethiel4323]

True story. I used to work in a steel manufacturing company. A bright sod in the safety department thought that having the maintenance people go through an area looking for "unsafe" equipment would be a good idea. It actually was. And when i was asked to go through an area, i took it very seriously. The problem was, i found a crap ton of things that weren't safe. The second problem was it would take a lot of time and money to fix these, mainly because there were so many. They stopped asking the maintenance people to do safety inspections shortly thereafter. We simply found too many problems. It all boils down to money at the end. Always does and always will. Employees are replaceable, after all, a self renewing work force. Profit, well, those stock bonuses don't grow on trees!

[@tomriley5790]

This is why you need to have site inspections. My dad worked for the Health and Safety executive in the UK, they would conduct inspections. Find stuff that was unsafe and then had various levels of enforcement - the company could be issued with an improvement notice (improve this within 2 months for example) which was the most common notice and then they had to show they'd fixed it. Worse case (my dad only used it once in his whole career) - the company could be served with a prohibition notice - stopping all activity until what ever it was was fixed. Finally if they had reached the level of ciminality (usually after an accident) they could be prosecuted in court (criminal prosecution but separate from the police).

[@mapleext]

You are so right - at so many levels - all boils down to money!!! The pay to these CEOs. The lobbyists - and on and on. Big big business. Today’s aviation is an amazing product of brilliant scientists and engineers. But look what a mess the business is. Very interesting video and pretty depressing.

[@johnweber6612]

@@mapleext these scientists and engineers. at boeing have done very little the past 20 years

[@CiaranMaxwell]

HIPAA compliance inspection has the same issue. The medical institutions themselves may follow the law perfectly, but the companies that actually store the data? I know of one inspector who found the data stored on a bloody USB drive that he could have simply unplugged, slipped into his pocket, and carried back to his car without anyone noticing. Nobody wants to report this because, as this inspector found out, _they're_ the ones then tasked with creating a plan to solve these problems. Why that's the inspecting party's job, I can't imagine, but it's a _terrible_ idea. Nobody wants to make more work for themselves.

[@greyjamiesod4989]

Big industry is all the same, aircraft, pharma or motors. Living near Fords, I was told this. " Don't buy a Monday car, half the workers are still pissed. Don't buy a Friday car, everyone just wants to get home, so they take shortcuts. . Tell the bosses? The bosses would sack you for being a troublemaker and if the lads found out, you would get a kicking.

[@tedferkin]

As someone who used to work in Rail Safety, the fact that Boeing cannot place its hands on the documentation for these aircraft is extremely worrying. I can attest that train construction paperwork is up there with aircraft construction. Half the work in building elements of trains is tracking and documenting the build. For this to be missing would be a massive no-no and a major breach of standards. Boeing, to me, is heading for yet another massive fine. The merger with McDonnell-Douglas was the major catastrophic end of Boeing. I think we might be seeing the end of Boeing as we know it. It may get split up, the military and space sections surviving, the civilian assets being sold off. I can see Lockheed being strong armed into restarting its civilian arm.

[@nerd2814]

Agree on the last point. High time the Skunk Works team came up with a new passenger aircraft - maybe that would knock Boeing to their senses...

[@jesspeinado480]

Boeing should have faced criminal charges for mass murderers years ago. The justice department deal was unreasonable and criminal. That such sweetheart deals can't be challenged by any court is absurd. If the corrupt US justice department keeps interfering with justice, it's senior officials should be charged criminally for interfering with an investigation, collusion and more. The families of the victims should go to the international courts to seek justice. They certainly won't get it in the USA.

[@danharold3087]

There is no BOEING that one can charge with murder. There are about 150K people who work for Boeing and some are good and some bad. Some are doing their jobs some are not.

[@spvillano]

Now, now, can't upset the US judicial system apple cart. We must maintain the two tier judicial system, where the poor get steamrollered into compliance and the wealthy do whatever they want with absolute impunity.

[@southerncross86]

Very well said, BOEING management committed manslaughter. Rime and they were ok in letting planes to continue to fly after the two crashes.

[@jameskilrain9350]

Probably the fact that Boeing made large political campaign contributions may have been a factor?

[@Razorrrrrrrrrrrr]

You know who else is criminal? Betterhelp PLEASE STOP TAKING THERE SPONSOR, THEY ARE NOT OK

[@Tetsaraku]

Every time I see BH ad, I just skip right ahead.

[@Jakamoe87]

It really makes you question the reliability of content creator sadly 😢

[@MetsterAnn]

He’s probably (hopefully) in a contract with them so he can’t just stop. But every contract has a time limit and if he’s shilling them next year, you know there is a problem. For now, I prefer to give Petter the benefit of the doubt. Not Boeing though, they are now a criminal organization.

[@yasminbarry7941]

Many of us are quite worried about that Better Help thing.

[@baumkuchen6543]

Especially this one, since we are dealing with mental issues. Those things take decades to heal and one incompenetnt therapist can do a lot more damage very easily.

[@rolandxb3581]

All responsible higher management of Boeing of the past ten years need to go to prison, and for a long time. It's infuriating that the 'justice' system let them off the hook in 2021. If the DOJ wants to keep a shred of its credibility, they must prosecute those responsible to the fullest extent of the law.

[@MarinCipollina]

ENTIRE BOEING board of directors need the heave-ho now.

[@mughug9616]

Without their pensions and shares.

[@samuelglover7685]

Gotta be a longer timeline than 10 years. Stonecipher needs to be brought to account. Among others.

[@m600blu]

been there for 38 yrs. cost no.1,2,3,4,5. all this stuff does is increase the number of meetings. when corporate got caught on ethics charges they made the employees go to ethics classes. its that kind of thinking that is ruining the company. i was once the boeing rotorcraft hero for the innovation and cost savings my team was able to put forth. then a new manager comes in and im sent to another area because he broke the law and i should have turned him in. then in my new job he showed up and moved me again. i was the most senior employee and had the most experience, but they wanted to fire me over a scratch that i reported and they said i lied about. stupid over a couple band aids and antibiotic cream. i had to get out before i lost my job. no crap i know stuff and they wanted me gone.

[@JK360noscope]

Going through the same here. Sorry this happened, we all know shit always rises to the top

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

There's an old saying that I learned over 50 years ago when I entered the corporate world.... I will use the G-rated word... "Excrement" doesn't flow uphill." That means people down the management chain will be the ones thrown under the bus, while the puppeteers in the boardroom will always skate free. Even if they are fired, they still end up with a handsome golden parachute.

[@robinholmes785]

I'm a plumber so I can say it "Shit flows down hill"! I completely agree with you on so many levels!!

[@MarinCipollina]

@@robinholmes785 As a commercial construction electrician, I can say the 3 things plumbers need to know: 1- shit runs downhill 2- The foreman is an asshole, and 3- Payday is on Friday. lol.. j/k.. I know you've heard that one..

[@randyogburn2498]

To reference an old coworker of mine, you can get the excrement back uphill with a pump.

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

@@randyogburn2498 Might work in the real world, but not in the corporate world. They know how to build dams to self-protect.

[@joshua43214]

The hospital I work for used to have one of the worst safety records in the country. After a major incident, management decided to make safety a priority. We are now, and have been for close to a decade, one of the hospitals others look to Best Practices in safety. It is not easy, and management has to be fully committed, but this culture can be changed.

[@tedharman5354]

You’re doing important work exposing Boeing’s culture and the lack of safety oversight. Keep up the great work!

[@MentourNow]

Thank you

[@TheExileFox]

And NOBODY does the important work of making this pilot face the facts that BetterHelp is a terrible sponsor.

[@jellygoo]

@@TheExileFox You have multiple of those comments here. Might I suggest seeking help, there is a place to go to mentioned in this video? Though sarcasm aside, your comments just don't help your case, even if your issue is justified and there is a real problem, the way you present it makes people not listen to you at all. Maybe try a more substantial approach if you want to actually point to something?

[@CiaranMaxwell]

@@TheExileFox Have you tried emailing Petter directly? With supporting evidence, and a lack of judgmental tone. More likely to work on the type of person that Petter shows himself to be than the method you're using.

[@RantzBizGroup]

This is NOT the company I worked for between 1979 and 1983.

[@matthewsecord7641]

When any company starts blaming the board of directors, who normally are investors we can see a lot of problems.

[@tr9036]

This is one of the new problems of the world. Big investors buy good performing companies and set them impossible profit targets. Finally experienced people (who get the best salaries in company and best performing responsability and who has company memory for years) get fired. Eventualy planes start crushing and innocent people dies. Company owners? They only cry because their stocks are loosing value!

[@rebelroar78]

Yes. Corporate raiders used to stick to companies that were in trouble but had a plan to get back into the green. The raiders swooped in and ran the company into the ground instead. But then they got even greedier, and realized they can make much more money by attacking large profitable companies. It’s financial terrorism. This also makes recessions worse because they’re only about cutting costs now, not regrouping and investing in new possibilities.

[@RaduM1]

Well, they actually might not lose money because for a certain amount of time, the profit margins of the company do increase, increasing its value, creating a good opportunity to sell the shares at a profit. Then move to the next one.

[@markstewart4501]

USA gave corporations "personhood"...When you can just make up a name, sign some papers...and it now has "personhood"...Do you put the sheet of paper that officially states the existence of personhood...in jail for committing a crime?

[@ramr7051]

This is the legacy of Jack Welch and their ilk. First GE, then Boeing.

[@markstewart4501]

@@ramr7051 You point to ONE legacy of some MBA's in a sea of normalized and trained behavior of MBA's...the whole system is designed to exploit. When the top 10% owns 93% of stocks...while market participation is at a record high???? That means millions of people are gambling on that 7%. The game is SO rigged that everyone is fighting over 7%...crumbs! The most amazing part is the Average American will blame the poor...for not getting in on the fight for soon to be 6%? Greed is the USA's religion, but people will say Christianity because it sounds better.

[@amadeuss3341]

Criminal or Not - I'm avoiding companies who use Max series. Never tough it's will be one of my criteria while buying tickets. I think the loss of public trust is a big deal for them.

[@georgedyson9754]

Big deal for the airlines as well as some have ONLY Boeing planes while others have either a mix of Boeing and others or who may have only Airbus equipment.

[@mikkorenvall428]

@@georgedyson9754 I really hope EU is going to do something to protect us European from these planes, like banning any Boeing producted plane flying in Europe. But I'm not sure if Brussels is interested in citizens safety.

[@rogerhenry3481]

Before long, MAX jets will be the only 737s flying due to retirement s. If you stick to your assertion, you won't be flying commercial nearly as often.

[@amadeuss3341]

@rogerhenry3481 have you ever heard of a company named "Airbus" ?

[@mikkorenvall428]

​@@rogerhenry3481 Boeing is not flying too long anymore. It's basically a zombie firm now. Waiting for bankruptcy. Losing orders fast. Boeing planes needs to be scrapped due safety issues..

[@Lupushansen]

I work in the danish government with It-security, and just want to thank you for your videos. Although I first started watching the "Mentour Pilot" channel with some morbid fascination, I quickly wandered over here, to see some of the background industry videos. I now actually use some of your videos and examples in my teaching of new coworkers (with credits, of course!) and in other meetings.

[@higherresolution4490]

Who are, by far, the majority shareholders of Boeing? First place, Vanguard. Second place, Newport Trust Company. Third place, BlackRock. 4th place, State Street. What else do you need to know?

[@michaelsalais7393]

Your vids are so well produced and they are very aerodynamic. I seriously do not know how you find the time. You must have a fantastic team. Such great work. Thank you.

[@williamlathan6932]

The CEO needs to be an engineer. The board needs at least half engineers and safety management.

[@mrz80]

There needs to be a grassroots shareholder revolt here; force the entire Board out and elect a new board primarily of engineers and pilots who will select executives who will place building solid airplanes over merely building preferred shareholders' quarterly dividends. Yeah yeah, I know, Don Quixote's looking to joust with another windmill... 😐

[@SSJCLIFF]

I wonder how many original board members are left from before the McDonaldDouglas takeover. The actual engineers.

[@EustaH]

He doesn't have to be an engineer. Actually none of the top management has to be - they have plenty of engineers in Boeing, all they need to do is to treat their opinions and reports seriously. It's a simply change of attitude form "I pay you, therefore I'm always right" to "I pay you, so I don't have to know that stuff myself, therefore you are probably right about that stuff".

[@SSJCLIFF]

@@EustaH You're not wrong. I think the main reason why a load of people want the new board/ceo to be engineers is because that is the way Boeing used to be run before the McDonalDouglas merger. Back when Boeing was top dog.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

How many times have we seen this exact grift? Shareholders put in place a group of aggressive con men who'll "maximize shareholder value", they call crossing out numbers on a spreadsheet "efficient management", drive stock buybacks, then can't deal with the fall out?

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

If They know what they're doing they sold their shares

[@piotrd.4850]

Stock buybacks were banned for a reason.

[@fluoxethine]

Shareholders are the ones who push cuts in critical areas like safety. They are responsible for perishing 346 souls in the 737 Max tragedy too 😢 (can't even use the 'k' word because KZbin is deleting such comments)

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

​​@@piotrd.4850They used to be banned, yes, but they aren't right now. Only companies that got COVID-19 related funding can't do it.

[@georgedyson9754]

Yes, and pay those executives ridiculous salaries and bonuses tied to profits to make sure they focus on profits rather than safety, as safety costs money. Then they say when people are shocked by what they are paid, they say well, talent costs money! If talent means profits I suppose but if it means a healthy company that makes quality products, then not so much!

[@LordKhuzdul]

Let this be a lesson (not that anybody will take it as such): handing companies to people whose specialty is either managing companies or managing money is a mistake.

[@alex2143]

Also, letting Boeing employees do the work of the FAA might have been a bit of a mistake.

[@roch145]

So why aren’t all of the CEO’s of airlines ex-pilots? Or all CEO’s of hospitals doctors? I get tired of this overly simplistic, emotional response, that the Boeing CEO needs to be an engineer. Building planes is only part of the skills Boeing needs to master to be a successful company. If you don’t have the money and business side of things functioning properly, your “BUSINESS” will fail. You need leadership, communication, strategic, technical, engineering, manufacturing, financial, marketing and sales skills as CEO of Boeing. Steve Jobs didn’t know how to design a computer and was a very successful CEO. Steve Wozniak couldn’t have run Apple successfully. But he knew the technical material very well.

[@LordKhuzdul]

@@roch145 Your own example disproves your claim. CEO does not need to be an engineer, but CEO needs to be someone who understands the product/service the company is selling. Steve Jobs might not have had an engineering degree, but he understood the product he was designing and selling very well. That is exactly the point. When your only qualification is management, that leads to shenanigans like this - corner cutting like this can work in, say, a toy factory but not in Boeing. Not every business is the same, and the main difference is always caused by the nature of the product/service involved. Management/finance types never understand this little fact. To them, every company runs the same. They always end up failing because of that little fact. The issue here is the opposite of simplistic. These things are more complicated than it appears, and it always comes down to understanding what your company is doing to make its money. It changes everything, and that is what the oversimplifying dipshits with MBAs refuse to understand.

[@JariJuslin]

Indeed. Only thing that keeps things off limits is personal criminal liability. If the punishment is company paying fines, it just does not guide the decision making.

[@alex2143]

@@JariJuslin I'm gonna wager a guess and say strong regulation and oversight probably also helps

[@svjness]

I'd never consider myself an "airplane guy", but these videos are of the highest quality - in narration, editing, content - on KZbin. I've learned something new from every video, and genuinely enjoy and look forward to new ones

[@78tag]

I really enjoy your channel but I find it necessary to ask you a question about the "betterhelp" sponsor. Starting from the initial contact all the way through any "help" one might request, isn't one subjecting themselves to scrutiny by the gov't, potential employers, or anyone else looking to exploit info in your personal history? We all know it happens to the detriment of the general population. I'm not looking for this type of "help" nor would I even if I wanted to.

[@KeithZim]

The case of Boeing could be used in the future as a basis for new laws allowing for more criminal prosecution of company owers/board of directors/ceo's when they choose to save money and then cause harm to the public. Punishment should equal what the victims endured.

[@fluoxethine]

US has made bribery legal by calling it 'lobbying'. This will never change as the US government can't loose that money flow from big corporations.

[@zoner__]

GLWT

[@Thoringer]

There was the "Going4Zero" poster on the wall of the construction hall of Boeing. I know they mean accidents, but maybe they mean deliveries per month?

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Stock price

[@SumbluddyIdiut]

If it's referring to "f#cks given" about safety, quality, integrity or morality, then they've long knocked that out of the park!

[@MarktheRude]

Hero to zero.

[@rongenise7006]

Corporate personhood deserves corporate prison time.

[@chrisrautmann8936]

CEOs and thd board of directors are all directly responsible for the running of the company. Sounds like a good place to start.

[@filanfyretracker]

you cannot really jail a corporation but I once cooked up an idea of aside from charging executives, Another solution is entering the company's active patents into a computer. The purpose of this is that if a corporation does crime they lose patents in a count of 1 per year a person would get if they did a similar crime. So lets say a person would get 10 years for something, the corporation has 10 patents canceled. And to prevent any bias in the court of say picking really valuable ones or mostly useless ones the computer picks 10 at random. Patents are the lifeblood of a corp just as years are for a person so it seems fair.

[@baomao7243]

Interesting concept. Patents are merely a right to EXCLUDE others (from using/selling/importing/exporting/…) a patented invention), so not quite sure the result is what one might desire. Also, 95%+ of corporate patents are generally held to be nearly valueless - I was literally an investor in “patents as an asset class” - so “losing a patent” may not be effective in driving corporate behavior. Hmmm…

[@meritwolf219]

@@filanfyretracker Sadly, the things that REALLY matter to a company like Boeing (used to be) aren't patented anyway. Patents are a matter of public record, and what Boeing wants to preserve are genuine secrets, the kinds of formulae and algorithms that help them design their planes. Worse still, it's (this year) people that really matter to a company's success, and they don't have too many of the kind that matter (and far too many of the kind that don't).

[@kennethschalhoub6627]

My experience has shown me that once a company looses their way from a quality standpoint, it is very hard to reverse that. They will have to get rid of managers and supervisors as well as the top brass.

[@doglegjake6788]

That CEO needs to be held accountable for all lives lost

[@duncanroebuck89]

I have been a Boeing pilot(737/787/777) since 1999 and have always been proud to think they are better than Airbus. But before the 787 battery fire Airbus have been overtaking them. We are now at a point where I am not exactly embarrassed to say I am a Boeing pilot but I certainly have thoughts at the back of my mind as to what people may be thinking when they hear the name "Boeing"......If its Boeing, I am not going......Stragne how something once such a stamp of approval can turn and kick you in the arse with a tiny change in vocabulary....

[@elbuggo]

Well, at least Boeing is better on Diversity & Inclusion then Airbus, and we should never forget to remember that!

[@ShonMardani]

It seems that there are some secrets kept by all parties leading to this mess. I believe the newly designed jumbo jets are not survivable if one of their engines fails on take off or initial climb in every case, one engine does not have enough power. In the case of the A380, even 3 engines could not do it.

[@ian7379]

Airbus planes have a better design and safety record than Boeing pretty much since they came on the scene.

[@Voyager.2]

@@elbuggo Huh? Please explain.

[@ReyOfLight]

As a passenger, I much prefer Airbus any day of the week. That said, I have full trust for the Captain, First Officer and other onboard crew regardless of maker of the aircraft. The reason I prefer Airbus over Boeing is because in my experience, Airbus is more comfortable to travel with and for a good while now, Airbus has a better safety record. That said, incidents resulting in injury or fatality are very rare when it comes to air travel. With how rare it is and the number of flights around the world every hour of every day, the risk of something happen on YOUR flight is so very tiny that it's something you shouldn't worry about. If it's Boeing, I'm still going, I just won't be as happy about it compared to if it's an Airbus. Both crew and passengers alike, do however deserve better than what Boeing has become, people should have a safe work day or transportation from point A to B. People responsible at Boeing need to be held accountable and have the book thrown at them! Safety should be the highest priority, but lately it feels like capitalism has completely taken over at Boeing...

[@TheChiefEng]

If you are either unable to or refuse to hand over documentation to NTSB when requested to do so, I would say that you are balancing on the edge of what is legal. Boeing have not been able to provide the, by NTSB, requested documentation on the door plug installation and that is problematic considering this specific airplane was brand new and under final assembly at the time. The fact that Boeing either cannot or refuse to provide the documentation can easily be interpreted by NTSB and FAA as if there are more problems in Boeing than just quality issues. Should FAA now start to investigate Boeing to check if they can document everything on all their new airplanes the past 5 years? Boeing really do look like they are either committing crimes or unforgivable stupidity and neglect. Boeing first got a safety management system in place in 2019?? Shocking!

[@goodgremlinmedia2757]

Boeing has blood on their hands. Prison should be the destination of those involved in the decision to not train pilots on MCAS

[@alli3219]

CECOT 😂

[@kkdd3844]

Remember John Barnett, the whistleblower that commits self exit? I don't believe it was a self exit.

[@Tetsaraku]

Nobody thinks he exited himself.

[@mikoto7693]

I’ve yet to meet anyone who does think he self exited. Btw thank you. Never heard of self exited before but it’s useful so I’m gonna borrow it.

[@carultch]

@@mikoto7693 He predicted that his death would be ruled a self-exit, and he proactively told a friend to not believe it, before he died.

[@zilindogomes1767]

Brooo ive laughed soo hard when you mentioned that the only person available to speak was the door manager, but he was on sick leave, so unavailable 😂😂😂😂. This company is sick to the bone and it will take a long time to treat all of those symptoms

[@Owen_loves_Butters]

Put someone in charge who cares more about safety than lining their pockets. It's really hard to escape the conclusion of a lax attitude towards safety, given how little Boeing has actually followed recommendations or even their own promises. Boeing needs to fix these issues immediately if they want to recover. And I really hope they do recover. An Airbus monopoly on aircraft manufacturing isn't something that would be beneficial to anyone.

[@Vogon42]

The fact, that Boeing is considering promoting the next accountant (Stefanie Pope) gives me strong doubts that the board and the BoD have understood the seriousness of situation.

[@davidwatt7663]

You know what they say, when one door closes , another DOOR OPENS 😂😂

[@szabolcsballok666]

Especially if you have a MAX 9😂

[@MarinCipollina]

What goes up must come down.

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

If they ever actually investigate who offed the whistleblower you'll find out just how criminal they are...

[@kenbrown2808]

either that or they will find out the self proclaimed whistleblower was 100% committed to a grudge against boeing. consider: if you were going to off someone who had evidence against you, would YOU wait until after they turned it over?

[@sparky6086]

In addition to preventing further testimony, the CIA killed the whistleblower on Boeing's behalf, to set an example to anyone contemplating whistleblowing.

[@frischerfisch2528]

The US is OK to have whistleblowers, as Long Its not against an US Company. There are only to countries, that could protect you from the CIA. China and Russia.

[@somethingsomethingsomethingdar]

@@kenbrown2808you over estimate the intelligence of the people behind these things.

[@TheNheg66]

​@@kenbrown2808he was due to be deposed next day... how did he already turn over the evidence then?

[@TheCruisinCrew]

Truly disturbing stuff going on there... there used to be a saying: "if it's not a Boeing, I ain't going", but lately it would be more appropriate to leave the first "not" out. What do you make of the other (new) Whistleblower who alleged that sections of the fuselage of the 787 Dreamliner are improperly fastened together and could break apart mid-flight after thousands of trips?

[@stephenspreckley8219]

This is scary! Thanks for this info mate.

[@ariantes221]

If I read correctly between the lines, Stephanie Pope, the COO, will become the new CEO in 2025. She is a financial analyst by education, again not an engineer. If I am right, it is safe to say that Boeing is no longer really an engineering company.

[@ianirwin9480]

If it's Boeing, I ain't going

[@PassiveSmoking]

The hell happened to Boeing? Once they had a reputation that was envied the world over. Now I don't think I'd want to get on any Boeing plane

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

They When they merged with MD, the bean counters were put in charge rather than the engineers.

[@utha2665]

They merged with McDonnell Douglas, they were the ones that had this culture and they ended up running the company a few months after the merger. It was their model that focused hard on share price over safety.

[@fluoxethine]

Boeing is simply managed by mafia.

[@RCAvhstape]

Everyone wants to blame the MD merger, but I think that's a bit overplayed. That merger was over 2 decades ago and besides, if you're going to say that, then you have to ask: what happened to MD's culture? Once upon a time McDonnel and Douglas both built good aircraft. The DC-3 and the DC-8, for example, or the F-4 Phantom. Then came the DC-10 and the MD-D merger, and things tool a downturn. Wonder why that was?

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

They still rule ! Airbus sucks !

[@THELONIOUSMONstertrucK]

It's impressive that you produced this video when I know you're a huge Boeing fan... Thanks for being objective, unbiased, and hugely informative

[@Cranston0]

The board of directors needs to be investigated and prosecuted. They ultimately decide what direction the company heads.

[@archgirl7797]

Agreed. They are the true criminals

[@UHF43]

5:08 Boeing employes that are making certifications on the behalf of the FAA. Do we need to say anything else?

[@MentourNow]

I'm coming back to that later in the video

[@ScottHillson]

When Jennifer Homendy is using the phrase "it's absurd" you know things are off the rails.

[@sandyhamilton8783]

Anybody who has had any involvement in aircraft safety will realise how grossly negligent Boeing have been. It is scandalous that they got away without prosecution

[@YavorIgnatov]

Dear Dr. Peter, Dear @MentorNow Crew: I am a devoted fan, and truly enjoy how you distill dry facts in an entertaining manner - to enlighten us land-based Humaaans... Many Thanks! Several times you have compared and contrasted the modern Boeing and Airbus cockpits. As a proper European, and out of a profound sense of Euro-Patriotism, I am prepared to accept that the two joysticks are a better design. However, if Airbus maintain the traditional Captain sits on the left side, and Captain takes over in the case of emergency, it begs the following rather urgent question: If the Captain is seated left, then he is operating the left joystick, with his left hand. Fun fact - most people, I imagine pilots as well, are in fact right handed. Even after "ambidextrous training" most right handers still do not develop the requisite skills with their left hand to be called truly ambidextrous... As such - are all Airbus Captains in fact lefties, or are we relying that they have over-achieved on their ambidextrous training, hence have the same "stick and rudder" skills with their left hand? Best Wishes for Many More Brilliant Episodes, YII

[@sunalwaysshinesonTVs]

"Retaliatory action" against employees raising safety concerns is Boeing's euphemism for "murder"

[@Celeon999A]

I fear that what is happening on Boeing's and Spirit Aerosystems executive floors is just a symptom for a much deeper rooted problem within u.s corporate culture and what it has "evolved" towards in the recent decades. The people who made those decisions have not been struck by a sudden urge to do dive into the realm of shady business, they were taught to do exactly what they did during their education. There is a whole generation of such executives sitting in offices of other corporations all around the USA now, who are pushing the very same agenda of profit at all costs because thats what has been taught to them as being the golden path to business success. Just think of names like Bernard L. Madoff, Black Rock Inc, and Cummins Inc.. They all believe/believed that "the end justifies the means".

[@TylerDurden-pk5km]

Yes it is a systemic and society wide problem and will only end if a new kind of elite has formed. Basically like 100 years ago, when owner/operator based bourgeoise order was replaced by the managerial one we have today.

[@DAViDD767]

Then they are educated dummies and they still should be held accountable.

[@TheCosmokramer1]

I believe you’re right. All disciples of the Jack Welch school of thought. Bottom line and shareholder value are the sole priority. The Boeing crisis is just opening up everyone’s eyes to how destructive to a company and a community that corporate culture can be.

[@georgedyson9754]

I agree completely. The love of the MBA.

[@doryds]

The irony is that when MBA managers act to "maximize shareholder value" they do exactly the opposite. The real problem is a fundamental error of thought.

[@100SteveB]

I still want to know what happened to those four bolts that were missing from the door plug? If your working on your car and find four bolts left over at the end of it, if you have any sense you will look into where they came from. Yet nobody noticed the four bolts left over from that Alaska airline 737? Are things so lax at Boeing that somebody simply picked them up and threw them away without even wondering where they had come from? Four large bolts, with nuts and split pins? I find that very worrying, and no doubt the NTSB feel the same about it. I wonder if they have tracked them down yet? Will be very interesting to read the report when it's done.

[@davidvanderklauw]

Exactly. I often put small parts taken off from the job in my opened socket set case. I cannot pack away my tools and close the case without noticing the "extra" parts.

[@daves328]

Maybe they weren't there in the first place.

[@AudioVideo_IT]

Maybe somebody forgot to order all bolts in prior or they got lost!

[@100SteveB]

@@daves328 That would be an even worse scenario. It would not only mean that the missing bolts were totally missed by the QA inspector that signed off the plug door installation at Spirit - and they do have the paperwork that says that it was inspected and signed off at Spirit, but it would also mean that the person or persons that opened the plug door at Boeing, when they were fixing the rivet issue totally missed the fact that the door was not secured in place at all. And then they would have to make the same mistake again when re-closing the door. That would mean that the fact the bolts were not there was missed on three separate occasions! An even more worrying scenario.

[@ricardokowalski1579]

In case you don't understand "Boeing Co spent $13 450 000 lobbying in 2021." "Boeing ranks as the 10th largest federal lobbying spender since 1998, spending more than $288 million."

[@jameskilrain9350]

Exactly.

[@DaveSCameron]

Bribing

[@hariman7727]

And this is why big government is bad: It's cheaper to bribe politicos than it is to just do the right thing.

[@wals6383]

It sounds like to me that the door plug documents must have been kept in a safe where the vault door 'accidently' fell off

[@icedry4913]

I used to work in a production line. The concept of self-assessment (e.g. Boeing employee hired to do FAA inspections) is extremely conflicting. All employees are graded and given bonuses at the end of the year on top of their salary. The grade is based on the output (i.e. productivity) of the production line. So, if the employee doing self-assessment keeps reporting issues to the authority, then his boss (and his colleagues) are not going to like it and give him a low grade because the output is slowed down with every issue. So, the employee is going to stop reporting issues. And that's where the company will throw the employee under the plane citing fraudulent behavior.

[@TruckGuy88]

The fact that they were able to buy themselves out of criminal charges tells you all you need to know about the company.

[@0M1S4G4_4V]

Criminal? OFC they are!

[@TheExileFox]

And so is the sponsor

[@Rollermonkey1]

I heard Mentour say "I am not a lawyer" and my mind immediately went to "Legal Eagle Crossover Episode"!

[@hal90001]

Criminal charges should have been brought forward from day one!!!

[@rubylaser8601]

It was weird Boeing moved its corporate headquarter from Seattle to Chicago. The headquarter doesn't want to be with the engineering groups.

[@archgirl7797]

They did it so they could avoid all those pesky engineers whining about wanting to not kill people

[@archgirl7797]

They did it so they could avoid all those pesky engineers whining about wanting to not kill people

[@briertunes]

Then recognize they have since moved from Chicago to Arlington, VA, to be even closer to all the big $$$ and power brokers.

[@AudioVideo_IT]

As an electrical & software engineer I was working in the electrical energy business and later in the car business. I think they need to replace about 5% of their personal including the 30% of the mid-range management. All the basic workers have to be questioned anonymously from an external investigation team about the behavior of their chef's to find out the right people who are cheating for the benefit for their own career. If the cancer of hiding the errors and thinking getting away with it got into in a company it is almost impossible to get it out especially when the company is short of money, time and image. Also a team of skilled psychologist team is needed to identify these under performing liars. Cheating works only in short term and backfires almost every time! Put the cheaters into the jail!

[@wadehiggins1114]

Yes, they are criminals.

[@markstewart4501]

Boeing is located in the United States were Money is the most important thing; Top Executives will never be held accountable there.

[@wadehiggins1114]

@@markstewart4501 agreed

[@davidcole333]

Ever heard of Enron?

[@wadehiggins1114]

@@davidcole333 the energy company?

[@markstewart4501]

@@davidcole333 I lived in the middle of that thing...do to very shifty accounting schemes...there was LITERAL power outages ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, because the actual power making factories were not getting payed. A few people went to jail for a very short time for STEALING 10's of MILLIONS Dollars...but if a regular person got caught smoking weed THEY WOULD BE DOING WAY MORE JAIL TIME. Greed is KING...to the rich, breaking the law is considered a business expense...would you break the law to make millions and MAYBE get 6 months in jail?

[@jaws848]

Airbus must be laughing all the way to bank.

[@MentourNow]

Actually, I think Airbus is concerned. This is not a good look for the industry and Airbus can’t fulfill the market by themselves.

[@legouniverse8976]

Airbus probably, probably can't get that their capacity to produce even more aircraft. This probably will hurt the industry as a whole as passengers will be very scared to travel. The only plus side might be for Embraer and ATR, as they still have some capacity to get orders and fulfil them.

[@jaws848]

@@legouniverse8976 thats true as far as Embraer amd ATR are concerned🙂

[@mr_autodidact]

You think western world would happily give away their absolute dominance on commercial aviation ? Not in a century. I wouldn't be surprised if Airbus already offered to help.

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

Airbus has its own problems with their computers randomly going berserk and crashing planes.

[@shonen84]

The FAA and NTSB should do their jobs and thoroughly and independently audit Boeing. If criminal liability comes to light, it should be pursued. Boeing itself needs to completely overhaul and become an engineering and quality driven commodity manufacturer again - and no longer a financial product. If that’s not possible, they should just fold. They spent decades of aggressively destroying their own engineering excellence, they made their choice. Airplane manufacturing, maintenance and airline operations cost money and the risks need to be minimize to tolerances that are really hard to attain. The free market alone can’t make that happen. When a cratered quality and engineering culture destroys your products, no amount of financial leverage or corruption can fix that. Excellent reporting and analysis Petter, thank you. John Oliver and many other mainstream outlets basically copied your analysis. Keep up the good work!

[@jimrusch22]

The entire senior management team should be behind the bars.

[@philipambler3825]

Get all the management and lawyers indicted immediately, plus indict the members of the FAA who have chosen to do nothing for years.

[@paul756uk2]

With the whistleblower John Barnett recently suicided, I'd say definitely. They're part of the military industrial complex who have no regard for human life.

[@isakeiriksson7833]

Exactly. When you are one of the biggest arms manufacturers in the world, you are automatically responsible for millions of deaths

[@Argosh]

"Suicideed"...

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

​@@Argoshyes, Boeing suicided him

[@jantjarks7946]

He got epsteined?

[@BTom16]

If justice were remotely equitable, several Boeing people would have been in jail a while ago. Zero chance anyone will be held to account in this.

[@seagullsbtn]

Dept. of Justice is looking into their violations of agreements made post max crashes.

[@MentourNow]

Yes, that’s what we are covering here

[@TheExileFox]

@@MentourNow DOJ should look into your sponsor.

[@peterdz9573]

What do you mean by that?​@TheExileFox can you elaborate what is an issue instead of throwing a strange question that only creates doubts?

[@pkobalt]

Better help is a bad company, you can look it up​@@peterdz9573

[@MultiChrisjb]

@@peterdz9573 The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has announced a proposed action against the online therapy service BetterHelp, Inc. for mishandling consumers' private health information, particularly regarding mental health issues, and using it for advertisement purposes. They are like the Mark Zuckburg of mental illness, except by joining fb you agree to have your info sold to scammers and advertising companies.

[@michaelmokotong]

Their problem is they see themselves as being above the law.

[@kristianfagerstrom7011]

I'd say that another issue is that people are starting to actively avoid booking flights with boeing planes.

[@jfh667]

They can break every rule and are still be allowed to sell planes. Why would they act any differently if they can save money at the expanse of nothing?

[@KraznyVeshov]

I mean, they murdered that whistle blower. I should think that's worth criminal charges

[@kenbrown2808]

that or the whistle blower didn't actually have anything that would do as much damage to boeing as he wanted to do, so he staged his own apparent murder. I mean, if you can make a murder look like a suicide, you can make a suicide look like a murder.

[@KraznyVeshov]

@@kenbrown2808 You might be right. If Boeing had tried to do the hit the shooter's gun probably would have fallen apart before he could get a shot off

[@davidcole333]

You're convicting Boeing before a trial "they murdered that whistle blower." In this country, whether you like it or not, a person is entitled to a fair trial by their peers. Comments like yours are straight up frightening.

[@MakerInMotion]

@@davidcole333 Boeing isn't a "person." It's a major corporation with a history of sociopathic decision making.

[@TheExileFox]

Meanwhile, this pilot is indirectly helping people get tortured by the sponsor

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

People would always be reluctant to come forward regardless of the DoJ. The US has a history of the little guy getting screwed in the judicial system because DAs are politicians and lawyers are too expensive, so people are naturally more scared of cooperating.

[@MrGeneralScar]

Boeing used to be a company led by engineers tackling amazing engineering feats. Now its a company led by wall street suits, who are only interested in whatever makes thier portfolio thicker. I dont think Boeing will be able to get back to the glory of the old days before McDonnel Douglas executives got hold of the company until the entire board is fired, and replaced with engineers who have a vested interest in making the company great again. Of course said engineers would have to be able to do so without sinking the company financially, which will take time. But having people at the helm who actually understand aviation and what can go wrong when corners are cut. Leaders that are not afraid to get down and dirty with the guys in the factory and help out instead of just going there once in a blue moon to have a chat, then depart for thier cosy offices in a different state.