The Strange case of Voyager Flight 333

[@MentourPilot]

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[@TronBonneVonne]

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[@HASAN8752]

The evil of routine... Good job Peter. Thanks👍

[@OofWillis]

I LOVE your videos... But I often have to go back because I’ve become entranced by your voice and lost track of the story. 😂

[@TheLoxxxton]

Survey its the very nature of this channel that something is to blame? Person, aircraft, procedure etc! Was the captain found guilty of causing the incident?

[@dan6442]

Noticed it might be time to exercise. I'm in the same boat. In my case, friends and family could not be counted on to point it out to me. Loved this video by the way!

[@adentheblack]

So I did Google the Court Martial, was stunned to discover the FO broke his back during the incident but still crawled into the cockpit to help regain control. Incredible response, that totally deserved a mention

[@99mage99]

@@rnapol3266 The public comments are for public discussion about the video. You really shouldn't read them until after the video if you don't want spoilers. No one needs to police "spoiler" content here, as it's quite literally your own fault for coming down into the comments, where we discuss the video, and then getting mad about spoilers. *ahem* Loser. LMAO

[@000blocks000]

@@rnapol3266 so you know that and you still looked? Have some situational awareness, pilot.

[@slowlearner46]

​@@rnapol3266 That's also your fault being an Iphone user lmao

[@Rocker-1234]

​​@@slowlearner46 Android do it too. On mobile they moved the comments back up to right under the video instead of having recommended videos first like they were doing

[@coffee838]

@@Rocker-1234 but its an iphone user who complained about it, its an iq issue

[@dietpepsimax1]

absolutely incredible to hear that Airbus can build an aircraft that anticipated potential hazards and helps to prevent them from turning into a crash. unlike some other aircraft

[@anethers7545]

I don’t think they could do that for a ‘dooor plug’ falling off though. But then, airbus doesn’t seem to have such problems

[@CuriousBipedal]

Boeing. You listening? Get out of Seattle, the drugs are in your drinking water.

[@wiewiorpl]

Because there are A-class planes and B-class planes 😉

[@jonathankmalila1454]

​@@wiewiorplsavage remark

[@loganlove9986]

@@wiewiorplOH MY GOD . . . I CANT

[@robn7589]

I googled the court martial too, and it sounds like he wasn't on trial for causing the incident, but for misrepresenting the cause of the accident: it's obvious from the report that he must have known that the camera was to blame for the dive, but he didn't come forward with this information and kept blaming the autopilot, which caused the entire Voyager fleet to be grounded for 13 days, and 827,000 pounds had to be spent for chartering replacement aircraft.

[@Hagen838]

Interesting. Watching the video, I was thinking that causing the incident deserved a punishment but not Court Martial. However, I also thought that lying/trying to hide what actually happened deserved Court Martial. I see that UK military had the same opinion.

[@RayneAngelus]

@@Hagen838Yeah, I was thinking loss of time in grade, temporary reduction in pay, maybe even a demotion. But lying... that's a lot more substantial. I can completely understand a courts martial and discharge (without honors) for that.

[@greenerell484]

but why did he do that?

[@RayneAngelus]

@@greenerell484Because he knew he'd be raked over the coals by Command for having his camera out/without the FO in the cockpit.

[@sentinelav]

Proof that the best course of action when you've made a mistake is to admit fault and accept responsibility... especially when a whole investigation team has access to mountains of data about what went wrong

[@Underestimated37]

The moment you said camera I immediately remembered this one, the worst part was the pilot clearly knew what caused it, as he removed the object and didn’t tell investigators, causing a lot of extra work and taking a lot of planes out of service while they determined what happened.

[@muzero2642]

My thoughts too. Taking 31 seconds to remove the camera and then hiding the cause isn't brilliant.

[@matthewellisor5835]

@@muzero2642 and, even though RAF doesn't adhere to a just culture model, his only defence would be lack of recollection due to the stressful event. I think even that (reasonable) chance should have led to his experience being used elsewhere and not to him being used as scapegoat. Perhaps, if he did recall, he would have been more likely to include his moving of the camera in his report if Perfect Honesty was seen as preferable to Perfect Performance.

[@LuLeBe]

@@matthewellisor5835 Then again you have to draw the line somewhere (the captain would certainly face charges if he stabbed someone to death on the flight, even if he was honest about it) and I think it's a pretty difficult case here. Because he certainly did something, probably knowingly, that just was strictly forbidden, and it wasn't caused by panic or any other outside factor. He simply shouldn't have been taking pictures. But, who knows how many others broke that rule as well? If everyone did, I agree he shouldn't face charges since apparently company culture and training didn't emphasize this rule enough. But, if he was the only one, it's harder to argue against blaming this on him.

[@larrywest42]

Indeed. I would _hope_ that there would have been no court martial had the pilot revealed his actions (with the camera) early in the investigation ... at least when he heard the CVR playback.

[@leonfa259]

Being court martialed makes people hide evidence, that is why these accidents reports don't assign blame.

[@boboutelama5748]

There's another hero hidden in the shadow in this video. The Airbus engineer that programmed the auto-safety functions. Without them, this plane would have disintegrated due to overspeed and/or inverted flying. The actions of the second in command and the crew where great. But the airbus software clearly saved them in this ordeal.

[@John-86]

Those same safety features have also been the cause or attributed to other airbus incidents but in the end it’s probably done more good than harm

[@PowerScissor]

​@@John-86Even the madatory ol seatbelt has been the cause of death before. Although police never seem to accept that reason when I get caught not wearing it....for my own safety.

[@John-86]

@@PowerScissor seatbelt ticket is such bs. Why tf u going to get a ticket for not wearing something that doesn’t have any impact on any1 else but yourself. It’s for your own safety it doesn’t endangers anyone but yourself. To me if u want to take the risk it’s your own problem why get a ticket for it. People ride motorcycles they take a risk people smoke they take a risk. Seatbelt tickets r a pure scam

[@PowerScissor]

​@@John-86 Ironically the cop was on a motorcycle. As soon as I brought that up, his whole attitude changed and I knew I was getting ticketed for sure. I have an old sports injury that makes seatbelts very uncomfortable...and possibly dangerous because I'm always fiddling with them. I'd rather take the risk of more damage or death in a crash to not be in pain every time I drive. I've never been in an accident in all 43 years, but have avoided others almost causing accidents daily by paying close attention as I drive. I will never wear my seatbelt 100% of the time no matter how many tickets I get.

[@Athaeus]

@@John-86 Citation needed.

[@phasm42]

"...assigning blame is not and will never be the point of these investigations." Well said. I love that these kinds of agencies (NTSB, CSB) are focused on "what changes need to be made to ensure this never happens again." Because while John may have slipped up, blaming John does nothing to prevent a different person from repeating that error.

[@Enonymouse_]

The military loves to assign blame.

[@castirondude]

Assigning blame and punishing should be separate things as well. When an honest well intended persons realize they are to blame for something they will 100% correct their behavior and no punishment is needed.

[@PMickeyDee]

This also allows to actually evaluate any systemic problems that caused/lead to anything going wrong & fix those issues. I know in my field it's always X person did X thing incorrectly and should be punished for their mess up. If the systemic issues that caused that mess up are even looked at it's only ever a footnote.

[@Kalleri13]

Untrue, it was stated that the pilot broke cockpit rules.

[@johndelconte9915]

@@Enonymouse_yes. I had to remember a few times that this was a military operation, because they had enough trouble before they took off for me to cancel the flight. Then I remember, military.

[@StSav012]

I do adore such near-miss cases! No one dies, but the lessons are learnt.

[@MentourPilot]

Me too! They are my favorites to cover.

[@Games_and_Music]

I agree, better to be safe _and_ sorry!

[@lenuvian]

You mean near-hit?

[@markmcculfor6113]

These ones are my favorite to watch too!

[@JosieJOK]

Me, too! Intense, but not tragic.

[@jameslimburn4210]

I have never had the slightest interest in being a pilot, however, since watching this channel, I veer wildly between REALLY wanting to be a pilot and REALLY not wanting to go anywhere near a plane ever again! Keep ‘em coming. Great production values, by the way.

[@moneyprofessional]

I know what you mean. The reality seems to miles away from the perceived glamour. Seems to be a job (quite rightly) about endless rules, procedures and safety protocols, where a human mistake can be career ending. Wanted to be a pilot when I was a young, but very glad I didn't pursue it. Was probably fun 50+ years ago, but more suited to someone interested in applying safety in their work.

[@chatteyj]

Theres a lot of hours in between the 'exciting' bits which I imagine are extremely long and boring as well I imagine, crossing the Atlantic daily would become a grind for example, best thing to do would be to buy a commercial flight sim game as I have recently pondered doing

[@nandomdabit1807]

Same here lol

[@saaraa7876]

I always wanted to be a pilot when I was younger but eventually went in another direction. These videos have really made me realise how much technology and physics is involved in piloting and honestly I wouldn’t have been able to do that. Makes me a bit more content with my career choices!

[@vexystar3389]

Hahahahha same feelings here 😂😂

[@annasha1986]

It is spectacular how much attention to detail goes into these investigations. Even simulating the camera near the stick to see what happens. That is some top notch attention to detail!

[@MentourPilot]

Yeah, it’s pretty impressive

[@paulgeraghty1448]

The camera got a notch too.

[@srednivashtar5432]

The First Officer broke his back during the incident, but still managed to make it to the cockpit and get to his seat. He was medically downgraded afterwards, and required a long period of rehabilitation.

[@johnsmith1474]

"Broke his back" can mean many things, clearly if he was able to get back, it was only that level break; ie probably a tiny non-displaced fracture.

[@shannoncrossland9710]

@@johnsmith1474 I mean he is also reported to have suffered a ruptured dick and nerve damage on top of a broken back

[@julosx]

Achy breaky back.

[@darkarima]

@@johnsmith1474 "also suffered nerve damage and a ruptured disc", if you google the court martial.

[@Hardradi-hkh9596skp]

@@johnsmith1474 So...you've never served in the military , you've never served your country, never been through anything like this. I flew in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq , all over the Middle East, and Central and South America for 25 years, You do not have a clue about what it takes to do something like this, You don't know the fear of a fire in the cabin and having nowhere to go, meaning it's up to your Loadmasters to put it out within seconds or your pilots to put it out if somewhere else. You've never been shot at and hit and what if anything can you do depending on where you were hit. That Flight Officer deserves everything he earned or there would be almost 300 deaths if he had failed on getting to the cockpit and doing what needed doing no matter if the Airbus systems may or may not have put the aircraft in the proper attitude. Good on Airbus too for designing such an aircraft.

[@morzee94]

I understand how this could have happened, it was a genuine and very human mistake by the captain. The part that made it a sackable offence was not admitting what had happened after he realised. I hope he regrets that but has managed to move on with his life. I’m also sorry to hear that the FO broke his back in this incident. Incredible that he made it back to the controls.

[@NicolaW72]

👍

[@mandowarrior123]

In his defense as a human, he may not have remembered even. But you can't extend that benefit of the doubt professionally.

[@mykeprior3436]

It is not understandable whatsoever. Not only should it have been obvious something was pushing the controls forward, the cockpit should be sterile. Take something out? Put it away when you're done. This is complete complacency 100%. Without those safeties dude would've crashed the plane. No heroic FO is gonna compete with negative Gs and solving that problem in under a minute.

[@moneyprofessional]

My understand his the Captain has never taken responsibility for the incidence and still maintains his innocence - at least privately. Whether he knew full well what happened, is just in denial, or genuinely still thinks it was an autopilot malfunction and he's been stitched up with camera explanation only he could answer.

[@NicolaW72]

@@moneyprofessional Thank you for this information!

[@davidguizot]

I am not a pilot. I am a retired liability risk manager. I’m always impressed by and appreciative for your thoughtful and both well-researched and well-presented analyses. They show critical thinking. Thank you.

[@adamkent9340]

I was actually in Afghanistan when this happened and know people who were on the flight, some of whom never made it back to theatre due to various injuries. Interestingly, when I flew home it was on this very plane and we were told that we were the first passenger carrying flight after the incident.

[@takers786]

how reassuring haha

[@matsv201]

"So you get injured in the war in Afghanistan" "... well.. its complicated"

[@melodiefrances3898]

​@@takers786 ikr? I would NOT have been happy to hear that...

[@DavidGirling]

I can just imagine that..."Welcome aboard, this plane nearly crashed last time we had passengers on board. Why have you all gone white?"

[@cartoonvandal]

Whether or not they made it back to the bloody theatre is wholly irrelevant, some things are more important than movies. Please show a little consideration.

[@SimonSky.]

Thank goodness for the automatic safety systems built into the plane! I can't imagine how the passengers must have felt.

[@MentourPilot]

They were very shook up!

[@brianwest2775]

Impressive that the plane only lost 4400 ft of altitude.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

I remember dropping in a big storm. It only lasted around 7-10 seconds & that felt like forever for all of us. Granted, it was still pretty rough flying before & after that as well, so it was a situation where you keep waiting for it to happen again. Funnily enough, since this was a video about a military flight, it was a flight from my basic training at Fort Knox, KY to my medical training at Ft Sam Houston, TX. Springtime weather in the southeastern US can get pretty lively, lol. One positive was the stewardesses weren’t carding anyone for drinks after that, for which I was very thankful🤣 (this was in ‘89, so things were a bit more relaxed).

[@Alexanderius]

Thank engineers!

[@NikanDragosysSerpenDra]

this is why we stow our xtreme 3D pro's carefully and check trottles is in CL position, simmers, dont we?

[@deltaboy767]

He's not kidding when he says flying into the night from daylight is a shadow and it is truly spectacular even from the passenger view.

[@cryptoslacker-464]

I'm Looking forward to when airlines have LED screen all around the cabin showing the outside view 👌

[@hecdavid11]

7:54 You have no idea how much I loved this tiny detail of having the "Captain's POV camera" nodding. It's the tiny details like these that give your videos such a great quality. Loved this one!

[@bikeny]

Did you also notice the flight entertainment was Mentour Pilot?

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

From your description, It seems very clear that the Captain knew exactly what caused the incident and deliberately chose to lie about it afterwards. That, honestly, I find much more bothersome than the factors that led to the incident in the first place. They can be fixed by changes in rules, procedures etc. But if the people that we're meant to rely on don't hold up their hands and tell the truth, then that's a much more insidious issue.

[@rainscratch]

The Captain probably would have been dealt with more leniently had he not withheld evidence.

[@shaddowsdieout]

​@@rainscratchI agree. At most, he could have been discharged for his negligence. At the very least, written up for it and retrained.

[@giin97]

It's also possible that he noticed the issue and cleared it without registering exactly what it was and what actions he was taking. Instinct and training make a lot of people do things on autopilot with no memory of it after, "ok, ok ok ok" could simply be his reaction to the stick now being free. Benefit of the doubt, and all. No reason to ascribe malicious intent (lying) unless verifiably proven.

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

@@giin97 I think we watched different videos, then. Balance of probabilities and all that. In general, it's good to not assume malice where stupidity would suffice as an explanation (Hanlon's Razor) but I personally feel like you're being a little generous.

[@cbesthelper404]

@@JustAnotherBuckyLover I agree. To begin with, the captain should not have been taking photos during the flight. It was bad enough while both pilots were present, but if he continued while alone in the cockpit, that is inexcusable. The pilots should always remain mindful that they have a cargo of passengers who are relying on them to be fully committed and to follow the safety rules. Given the high stakes, I can understand why the penalties are as harsh as they are.

[@mskellyrlv]

Wow. Just...wow. In my 40 plus year career in aerospace engineering, including 10 years at FAA, I've performed a number of flight failure investigations. All but one of those was on an unmanned vehicle flight failure, though the one manned flight failure cause was evident the day it happened. This investigation involved far more technical detail about the vehicle itself plus details of what happened in the cockpit than anything I've ever been involved with, and I am truly impressed. This is such an amazing channel!

[@patriciaramsey5294]

Gotta cheer for the designers of Airbus. The special safety features enabled the plane to 'save itself'.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed, exactly!

[@rogerramjet6429]

Meanwhile numerous fatalities have occurred because the flight system took control of everything. There are multiple examples of this.

[@sdwboss]

@@rogerramjet6429 Care to name an example of an accident caused because "the flight system took control of everything"? None spring to mind for me.

[@peteconrad2077]

@@rogerramjet6429 why not give an example then? No? Jog on.

[@rogerramjet6429]

@@peteconrad2077 ever heard of the internet? Look it up yourself and don't expect to be spoon fed. Air crash investigations show has a number of examples, but chances are you won't even bother looking.

[@yahyahussein425]

The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Andrew Townshend was dismissed the service because of this incident and handed down a four month sentence which was suspended. The courts martial found he was negligent and had falsified records to investigators.

[@ariochiv]

The cover-up is always worse than the actual transgression. People under-recognize both the cost of lying and the benefit of a mea-culpa.

[@cpe1704tks.]

He may have been able to keep his job if he didn't lie and intentionally deceive investigators. I can understand why he tried to do this. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[@IENiGMAI]

He was cleared of lying... Only found guilty of negligence. Which is BS

[@cpe1704tks.]

@@IENiGMAI Interesting point. I suspect investigators concluded he was lying and provided him a humble out. Pure speculation. I wonder if this was key to allow him to get another job somewhere with another airline. Do you know?

[@yahyahussein425]

@@cpe1704tks. I would suggest you read up on the case online for a better understanding than querying. The BBC coverage of the case was quite exact. His lapse caused a tremendous headache.

[@mickimicki]

Many years ago something rolled under my brake pedal while I was driving, partially blocking its way down. Thankfully I noticed it quickly and in a situation where I could get it out before I needed to brake, but this could have been pretty bad. Since then I'm more careful about stuff lying around in the car, displaced floor mats etc.

[@Janeedsleep12345]

That happened me too a water bottle roiled under my pedals

[@giftofthewild6665]

I always check that there isn't anything that can roll under the pedals, but the fecking floor mat has got caught up under the pedals several times. Luckily I've always managed to kick it out of the way in time.

[@anlumo1]

When I was a child, we once transported a kitten in the car. She escaped our grasp and suddenly the driver became panicy that she'd crawl behind the brake pedal. As an adult with driver's license now, I can completely understand that fear now. Luckily, she didn't do that and we were able to capture her again.

[@cambridgemart2075]

@@anlumo1 Happened to us when our puppy did get in the driver's footwell under the pedals; thankfully my dad told us where the puppy was and my mum managed to grab her and get her out of the footwell.

[@MichaelSangma]

This incident occurred to me. I found myself unable to apply the brakes or remove the object stuck beneath the brake pedal in time. In a quick response, I began downshifting the gears, which significantly assisted in slowing down the car. Eventually, I managed to dislodge the object.

[@CptPablonius]

I work as Cabin Crew and cannot even imagine being stuck to the ceiling of a 737 or how I would react. Also the FO was an absolute machine for crawling along the ceiling into the flight deck. I love these videos on near misses!

[@Hellsong89]

Problem is to loose your bearings and since viewpoint is upside down to figure out best place to be. Generally its ether open area where you wont hit anything when coming down but ideally rail or something you can grab and slow down your upper body while hindering any horizontal movements, so you wont come down face first.

[@richardgallagher4880]

I imaging I'd throw a magazine to Liam Neeson, high five Samuel Jackson, shout go usa then kill an Eastern European with long hair.

[@andrewmurray1550]

after yacking to his girl-friend for 30 minutes instead of being in the cockpit where he was supposed to be. 30 minutes is not a "tea" or "comfort" break.....

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@andrewmurray1550 Sounds more like a tea bagging break😐

[@JoshuaPlays99]

The FO must have been so full of adrenaline, get to the flight deck no matter what.

[@adamfrazer5150]

Petter, really appreciate all the work that's gone into elements like the animated ground/cabin crews, the first-person 'walkaround' of the aircraft - I find all of these extra finishes in your content really help build a more authentic/comprehensive experience when you consider how well written your content is to begin with. I'm not going to leave an aviation-related platitude about soaring higher and higher, but you most certainly have established a higher standard, that tiny part of YT where sanity and entertainment can still be found. 👍🇨🇦

[@__Andrew_]

6:20 the soldiers (or gorillas?) boarding was hilariously bad ;)

[@alexl7161]

These investigations are insane! Just imagine the surprise and confusion that the investigators must’ve had after realising what caused the incident.

[@NSEasternShoreChemist]

I'm honestly kinda surprised that there weren't policies in place regarding loose items in a cockpit. Even if the plane simply hits moderate turbulence, things can easily end up strewn all over the place. It's also a great way for someone to get hurt or switches to get bumped by something hitting them.

[@dittohead7044]

@@Capecodham absolutely

[@dittohead7044]

I’m surprised too. I’ve had a water bottle get stuck under the accelerator. That’s scary enough for me

[@tunderstorm2769]

​@@Capecodham kind of

[@olanmills64]

It's clearly a word. It might not be one you would use if you were writing a news article or a legal brief or something, but it's absolutely a valid word. No one in a free society gets to control the evolution of language. You can express your dislike of some new kinds of variation, and I suppose if a very large majority sees things the same way, then yeah, you might suppress some particular new word or phrase from taking root, but more likely, you'll just sound like a "Get off my lawn!" type of troll

[@blackboardblueberry3982]

​@@olanmills64 Hey, I dont know you or the other guy, but I just wanted to say life is much nicer when you don't assume malice frist, there's a chance the dude genuinely didn't know and was just asking. There's also a chance that they're not a native English speaking and didn't know. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but I think it's a good life rule to give people the benefit of the doubt ^_^

[@tomstravels520]

The main reason the captain was court martialed was because he either lied or withheld information. He obviously knew about the camera being there but didn’t tell the investigators that

[@MentourPilot]

Yep, but since that was not part of the final report, I didn’t include that. Only the facts.

[@andrewpease3688]

​@@MentourPilot my guess is that he would have got away with it if he had just been honest. This incident has cost the UK tax payer an enormous amount of compensation payments.

[@katyty1496]

​@@MentourPilot you didn't specifically say, but we pretty much figured it out from how the camera was (most likely) removed and what that coincided with on the voice recorder 😉

[@MrWhiterunGuard]

They seem to have dismissed the two counts of perjury and one count of tampering with evidence. So he was just convicted of only negligence which probably meant he only lost his job/retirement while staying out of prison.

[@lightdreamer_]

@@katyty1496 How he threw back the camera as if he did nothing wrong....

[@andyrbush]

Thinking this through. Consequences included grounding a fleet, an investigation and injuries to people. But the captain must obviously have known the cause because it appears he removed the camera from where it was causing the problem. Surely it would have been the best thing for all concerned for him to have said what had happened and saved everyone massive costs and efforts.

[@Caperhere]

And possibly his job. Probably flying commercial now.

[@uglyhairygirl7067]

it surprises me that he tried to blame it on technical issues instead of confessing. I must be really naive for expecting better from someone with such high responsibility.

[@jupiterzombies]

wanting to give him the best benefit of the doubt, it seems to me in the panic the captain may have thought the camera became lodged during the pitch down, since so many items would be flying around

[@alexsis1778]

@@jupiterzombies Really though the problem was that he didn't mention the camera in his report. It could be argued that between stress and training he may have cleared the jam without realizing exactly what had happened. But as another commenter mentioned the investigation found that he had actually tried to delete the pictures off the camera to hide the fact that he was using it while alone. He clearly realized that at least some of his actions in the cockpit were against regulations and intentionally tried to conceal that fact. Accidents do happen, but trying to cover up the facts leading to a situation can be even more damning than the actual situation. Especially in a military.

[@Enonymouse_]

You'd be surprised at how people react to incidents that threaten their lives or career, not everyone adheres to 'do the right thing even if no one is there to see it'. The urge to cover your own a$$ even if its wrong to do so, can be overpowering.

[@rigilchrist]

I was once flying a helicopter and when I initiated a descent for landing, by lowering the collective lever, it jammed and would not go lower. I looked and my camera was lodged under the lever. Lesson learnt!

[@vbscript2]

While it didn't have anything (directly) to do with the accident sequence, I find it kind of surprising that they chose to continue the flight when the IFF1 system warning cleared. When both IFF systems fail for a completely unknown reason and then the warning for one of them suddenly goes away equally inexplicably, "Oh, ok, I guess we're fine to go fly into an active war zone" wouldn't be my first thought, personally. Granted, there generally weren't enemy fighters over Afghanistan, but, still, not somewhere I'd want to go flying with one IFF system down and the other acting unreliably.

[@kuratowakiru]

I thought this story was gonna be about friendly fire and evasive manuver because of the mention of the IFF malfunctioning and the plane was heading to a warzone and the passenger was stuck onto the ceiling.

[@giin97]

​@@kuratowakirusame 😁

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

It should be noted that IFF is only one piece of the puzzle. "Deconfliction of the air space" is a major point of training in NATO because IFFs are not assumed to be infallible. Further, NATO forces in Afghanistan did not face an enemy air force and this aircraft would likely still have it's civilian transponders active for most or possibly all of the flight. So it's very unlikely that anyone could have mistakenly identified them as a foe, and even then they would have coordinated and inquired rather than just opened fire. The IFF only really starts to matter if you're flying around active allied air defenses and in a combat configuration without civilian transponders. So the reason they didn't particularly care about the IFF is that it really was more of a formality of operating a military aircraft, not something that would actually have been relevant to this flight.

[@CanisMythson]

I think you confuse what the IFF does. It isn't to stop enemy fighters from attacking the plane; it's to stop *allied* fighters and anti-air systems from doing so.

[@vbscript2]

​@@CanisMythson I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm well aware of the purpose of IFF. My reference to there being no hostile aircraft around was just meaning that the allied air defenses would be a lot less likely to suspect that an incoming aircraft was hostile than in a war zone where hostile aircraft were expected to be present.

[@Bootmahoy88]

Of course, the stress contributed to this event, but it's really amazing to me that the captain did not see the camera jammed between the arm of his seat and the side stick.

[@xonx209]

It's strange to have a camera behind the stick especially when you are having problem pulling it back. It should be obvious what's going on.

[@demiquadfpv3333]

1) how can you not connect the panes sudden movement with the action you took immediately before (seat move) 2) how do you not look down at a stick that won't move when you want it to?

[@RayneAngelus]

He most likely tunnel-visioned and didn't look down. His foci would be on the instrument panel and possibly out the window. Only aware that the stick wasn't moving the way he needed it to, but too panic stricken to think about figuring out why. Only once the automatics and actions of the FO ended the immediate danger did he calm down enough to assess the situation properly, at which point he figured out the issue and corrected for it. It's easy for us, as outside observers not at all stressed as he was, to make such judgements, but it's simply not the case that you'll react "intelligently" to a surprise problem in the moment.

[@HaggisMuncher-69-420]

@@demiquadfpv3333 Lol, have you ever been flying at close to the speed of sound while pointing at the ground? I bet you don't even have your driving licence.

[@raerohan4241]

​@@xonx209 It's strange for a pilot to look down in an emergency. All training teaches is to focus on the displays and other controls of the plane, not immediately look for foreign objects as a possible cause for loss of control.

[@peaoui165]

Excellent vid as always. I currently serve in the RAF as an aircraft engineer. I followed and read the reports on this as they developed. I think you should have gone into the punishment the Captain received as it was all due to him not coming clean about the cause and nothing to do with causing the incident. Everyone makes mistakes but it takes integrity to take ownership if those mistakes were caused by your own actions. Lack of integrity was the reason for the court marshall, not causing an air safety incident. Would you consider doing a vid on Nimrod MR2 XV230 if possible? I served on the MR2 Nimrods as a liney. That tragedy changed the whole way the RAF operated, introducing the CAMO and creating a safety culture that was sorely lacking. It would be interesting to know how this affected the civilian world as well.

[@mrbigsmile3902]

@@Capecodham google: vid nounINFORMAL short for video. "I've got it on vid now"

[@everythinggoodsfeckingtaken]

I'm glad you said this as it was my take-away too. Sure everyone cocks up but to not own it and to cover it up in a subsequent investigation tells of a person not fit to be in a position of responsibility

[@stritz511]

Hi Petter, thank you for this analysis. When I was in the German Air Force we had hard rules in what we can use in the cockpit (Tornado). We even had to fix our pens with piece of strings…. If we dropped anything it resulted most probably in the technicians needed to strip the cockpit apart until they had found the missing item… that would cost us at least a cag of beer for them!!! 😂😂😂

[@briankeeley6464]

Yup, this former USAF tech has spent many an hour trying to find dropped objects or broken switches/knobs in fighter cockpits. Not a fun task.

[@itechflagstaff]

I once spent 8 hours disassembling an instrument panel to find a dropped screw. Sometimes doing the right thing is not easy, but it is better than covering it up and potentially risking lives.

[@dwmueller76]

Are cameras in the cockpit and cabin something that we can expect in the future? Seems like it would be an easy addition to the data collection in the black boxes and may help in some investigations. Although it would also be heart breaking to see in deadly crashes!

[@jamesharris184]

​@@dwmueller76 you know an interesting point would be if these cameras existed in the cockpit is it would change Behavior and avoid these kinds of situations to begin with.

[@EscapeTheCloudsOfficial]

Years ago, I did a flight in a Stearman biplane, where I took my DSLR camera. As I was getting strapped in, I dropped my lens cap between my legs... right into the open channel where the control cables run. Pilot was not happy the flight started with a lens cap fishing trip....

[@Daniel-kk5lx]

Fantastic episode as usual Captain, but why didn’t you share with us that the co-pilot’s back was broken due to this incident? And for those wondering what happened to the pilot of this flight, he was sacked and dismissed from the Airforce.

[@GPW787]

The correct decision on the Captain. Zero tolerance for this sort of thing.

[@christopherclark279]

He broke his back His back was broken Spinal

[@giftofthewild6665]

Good

[@justins8802]

The captain would be in deep shit regardless, but covering up the cause should have bought him jail time.

[@giftofthewild6665]

@@justins8802 yep

[@justicemaake684]

Listening to the outstanding job that the flight attendants performed on this horrifying incident reminded me of what the late captain Al Haynes said. He said that the flight attendants are there for one and only reason which is the safety of the passengers and they are not there to serve drinks and food. And I enjoy watching incidents where no life was lost and lots of lessons were learned. Great video as always

[@NicolaW72]

👍

[@Eternal_Tech]

While a flight attendant's most important job is to ensure the safety of passengers, serving food and drinks is part of their job description. In fact, most flight attendants will spend considerably more time serving food and drinks than dealing with emergencies. This is a good thing.

[@MadameCorgi]

Given restrictions on what passengers can bring, and that people need to eat and drink to be healthy (especially if they have conditions like diabetes) , serving food is needed to maintain passenger welfare

[@bengrogan9710]

@@Eternal_Tech I think his point was more aimed towards the fact that while it might be part of the job, and a large percentage of their time spent, being a drinks dispensory is the absolute lowest of their priorities - It is "Make Work" when all other duties are covered

[@Eternal_Tech]

@@bengrogan9710 Yes, I understand what you are saying and mostly agree with it. However, to reiterate what @Madame Corgi stated in this thread, serving food and drinks is important when passengers will be on the aircraft for several consecutive hours. It is not just a "make work" activity. Nevertheless, I was responding to the original poster, who stated: _"He said that the flight attendants are there for one and only reason which is the safety of the passengers and they are not there to serve drinks and food."_ To state that a flight attendant's reason for being there is "for one and only reason" is simply not accurate. As you said, there are different priorities, but when there is no emergency and the aircraft is safely in cruise, part of a flight attendant's job description is to serve food and drinks. If a flight attendant refused to serve food and drinks on a flight where this was required by the airline, then this flight attendant would be fired, and rightly so.

[@auramire6304]

I love the way you tell these stories, the intent for people to learn from these is so clear. From highlighting the excellent response of the cabin crew to pointing out how the intent here isn't to assign blame... The TV series that got me interested in plane crashes plays up the drama, the human terror, to a place where it almost feels perverse to me now. Like the show is indulging in real people's fear for entertainment. But the way things are presented here does a great job of acknowledging the emotions and pain of the people involved without feeling as if we're taking advantage of that. And I really appreciate that.

[@corvinredacted]

I can't really watch dramatizations anymore. It feels exploitative and kind of gross. I rely on channels like Mentour Pilot for my air incident/accident documentaries now.

[@DrarslanAbdulsattar]

U have blewors for it

[@DrarslanAbdulsattar]

At left site switch board

[@DrarslanAbdulsattar]

At land fre fall focus air straight.

[@DrarslanAbdulsattar]

:-)

[@Gamajun]

I just wanna say your videos have helped me get over my fear of flying, I used to get super anxious about flying but ever since I’ve started watching your videos I haven’t had that same feeling, thank you mentour

[@Gamajun]

@@Capecodham you act like wanna isnt american slang that a majority of americans use

[@Gamajun]

@@Capecodham bro is grading my comment💀

[@iduniq]

gonna wanna banana

[@RobKinneySouthpaw]

I was comforted that this would be a near-miss from the beginning description. First officer crawling upside down into the cockpit is not something you can get from the voice recorder

[@MentourPilot]

Well, I guess so. 🧐

[@CieloNotturno86]

Yes, me too Little details, talking to his friend, crawling, stuff that could only be known if he survived and gave a report

[@noticiasinmundicias]

Yeah, it's about time flight decks get camera recorders as well. I mean even the dirty deli by my house has like dozens of them.

[@therookiegamer2727]

@@noticiasinmundicias trouble with that is video takes up much more storage space than sound and imputs

[@noob.168]

@@noticiasinmundicias Even hotel bathrooms have them

[@jonesjones7057]

Before 9/11 pilots were allowed to carry Leathermans with them. I noticed one day that the control column on a CRJ200 had a slot on the floor where the column had space for when we pull the column back to pitch up. I placed my Leatherman there to see if it would fit, which would jam the column and make it impossible to pitch up. It fit. This was a safety issue to me. I felt the slot should have a plastic cover that floated over that space to stop anything from ever falling into it in flight. I filed an ASAP but after 9/11 I was furloughed and brought back later to a different plane. I don't know if it was ever addressed, I doubt it since it is admittedly a slim chance of anything happening, but if you fly a CRJ and your control column jams and you can't pull up, I'd look down there.

[@deaf2819]

We lost an aircraft from our sister base in Afghanistan due to something similar. She was a c130j the pilot put a night vision goggle case behind the yoke to keep the elevators out the way during loading/unloading and they forgot it was there when takeoff time came. Absolutely a shame as if lost a friend in this he was the loadmaster and I’ve wondered so much how those last moments must’ve felt.

[@HerbertTowers]

That was just stupid. The elevators used to be raised because loadmasters and/or movers unnecessarily asked for it. They can't obstruct the loading process. As a pilot, I would fasten the column back using the lap straps - that way one couldn't even get back into the seat.

[@elliottsutton3476]

Absolutely loved the analysis of the inputs on the flight data recorder and your description of the methodical elimination of factors causing the incident here. Really different to previous videos and would love to see more. Amazing job as always!

[@spyersecol0013]

The way you give all the little details and explain the situation is amazing. I had a teacher like this once as I was in school to become an Airframe And Powerplant Technician. Once he set up everything in our heads he would then ask what is going on here? And let us think it through. I was thinking this situation through and I was able to guess what actually happened before you gave the answer. Brilliant!

[@burton48]

While I am not a pilot or even a commercial aviation flying customer, I find these Mentour Pilot videos highly educational and most interesting. I even signed on as a Patreon member. Thank you, sir, for your contributions to aviation knowledge and safety.

[@trailtales97TV]

Super glad that this incident was a near miss and no major fatalities were reported. Lesson learnt about complacency and following procedures inside the cockpit. Great video as always Captain, excited for the next one!

[@MatSpeedle]

It's amazing the detail and depths the investigations go into. Excellent work by the crew and FO. What a horrific 31 seconds that must have been for all on board!

[@tomstravels520]

Items jamming controls have caused the crash of a USAF C-130. Pilot put an NVG box behind his control column to raise the elevator for loading, forgot about it and then took off with elevators stuck to full which led to stall and crash. Because of the connected control columns the FO couldn’t do anything to help

[@MentourPilot]

Oh man, do you have the final report on that one?

[@tomstravels520]

@@MentourPilot yes, search for keywords C-130, 2 October 2015, Jalalabad Airbase incase link won’t show

[@1AnononA1]

If anyone can cover this tragedy, it's this channel! The best out there!

[@dmiller57]

This is such an incredible story ' have an absolutely fantastic day '

[@sonickunckle]

@@1AnononA1 Actually there is already one video talking about the accident

[@R2Bl3nd]

The co-pilot’s back was broken and he also suffered nerve damage and a ruptured disc. That's unbelievable!

[@rainscratch]

Getting violently thrown into the ceiling and violently crashing back down at powerful G forces will do that to bones. Lucky he didn't break his neck and be dead on the spot.

[@maxmeier532]

so he had a scratch, big deal.

[@R2Bl3nd]

@@maxmeier532 ?

[@maryseflore7028]

@@maxmeier532 A scratch? A ruptured disc is a scratch in your world? Nerve damage - stuff that does not heal well because nerves don't regenerate easily, eh - is a scratch, too? May you, one day, hurt your back real bad, rupture a disc and suffer nerve damage... And have your family and friends downplay it as "just a scratch, big deal" Seriously.

[@davidsandstrom2322]

I loved the way you built up the story and kept the reason a "mystery" until the end!

[@Helixal]

The immersion that occurs from your videos is outstanding and mesmerizing.

[@22vx]

Consistently the best and most interesting aviation-related content on KZbin 👍 Thank you Petter!

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you so much! We do what we can

[@howdan1985]

@@MentourPilot 💯👏 Thank you for providing us with world class aviation content. Amazing.

[@amunak_]

@@MentourPilot I really wish you went into the captain's court martial, not to blame anyone, you could still only report onto it. But it would still be prudent to mention that lying to the investigators is a bad idea if for no other reason that it makes everyone less safe if the exact causes aren't known.

[@HouseNuova500]

As a former French Air Force flight attendant, it’s always nice to see some great videos about cases in military situations. The flights differs from civilian ones, but only slightly, as we’re sharing the same airspace, and the same rules apply to us in general, with just minor adjustments due to the mission type. Also, the A330 MRTT is a marvel of a plane, I would have loved to fly on it !

[@SteveLombardi58]

Reminded me immediately of the 1964 film "Fate Is the Hunter" that is about a plane crash caused by spilled coffee. The plane crashes, and everyone on board is killed except for one flight attendant. The film is a cautionary tale about the dangers of complacency and the importance of safety procedures.

[@jameshennighan8193]

Spot on Steve. Flight is enjoyable,, interesting and technically wonderful.....BUT......at root we are all in a little aluminium tube barreling-along in what is an alien environment. We would not survive for long if were not contained within that tube. The comfort of sitting in a seat, watching a film, reading, enjoying a drink and possibly looking out of the window, plays a part in taking our thoughts off what we are really doing. Many years ago Seat Belts were only worn during Take-Off and Landing.....and perhaps at such other time as the Flight Crew switched the Seat Belt Sign on......if we were paying attention. Wiser counsels and advice in more recent times tells us we should always be wearing the Seat Belt, except in the rare instances we are moving around in the cabin, say for a visit to the Lavatory. Cabin Crew / Flight Attendants are well versed in the risks and dangers of flight. In fact, perhaps contrary to popular belief, their true role is not to serve us drinks and meals, but to ensure our safety during all portions of the flight. In extremis they are responsible for getting us out of the aircraft when an emergency occurs after landing. They actually place the safety of the passengers first. They follow the procedures and practices set out as a matter of course. When something goes wrong where human actions are concerned there are Deeds of Omission and Deeds of Commission, both of which carry a varying degree of negligence. The Captain and First Officer of this flight were guilty of both in a number of ways. In some ways there are remarkable similarities with the Air France jet lost in the South Atlantic, where the Side Stick and its operation were the common denominator. Thankfully, and as a consequence of that accident, Airbus made technical adjustments to the Side Stick and the Software. These adjustments, including the fact that the Software controlled the pitch down attitude of the aircraft, saved this flight. The outcome could have been much worse.....! James Hennighan Yorkshire, England

[@jeanpeuplu5570]

@@jameshennighan8193 The captain was guilty indeed, specially of covering up the drop of his camera... but the FO??

[@ssnerd583]

@@jeanpeuplu5570 The FO maybe was absent too long from the cockpit?? I cannot see that, really, being any issue as none of this would have happened if the captain haddnt lacked the foresight to not place an object that could cause an issue in the wrong place. The captain was guilty in several ways, but the FO.....he was just enjoying the flight....

[@jameshennighan8193]

@@jeanpeuplu5570 Based upon the FO spending too much time outside the cockpit. He left the flight deck to exercise his legs yet ended up chatting to a flight attendant and then to someone else he recognised was travelling on the flight. So 18 minutes away from the flight deck. His efforts to crawl back to the cockpit on the aircraft ceiling would not have been necessary if he had not left the cockpit. He could have stretched his legs in the cockpit, or with just a brief two minute walk away from the cockpit door. We also have to ask why on earth he was stretching his legs. ? He had only been in the air for approximately 3 hours. If he wanted to leave the cockpit he could have asked the Purser to maintain a second presence on the flight deck for a short while......but 18 minutes. Whilst the Captain was negligent, it can be argued that the FO's action in leaving the cockpit played a part in encouraging the Captain to behave as he did; namely taking photographs. Had the FO been present on the flight deck there would have been a extra set of hands there to balance it counteract the Captain's actions. It could be argued that had he been there he would have seen where the Captain had placed his camera, close to the Side Stick. We fly in a thin metal tube through an alien environment which can kill us in a heartbeat. Those flying us have the responsibility to act to keep us safe. This is why procedures and rules exist for the flight deck. When those in charge of the aircraft take their eyes off the ball we are put at risk. It comes back to the actions of humans where we have Deeds of Omission and Deeds of Commission, both of which carry varying degrees of negligence. This crew were guilty of both.

[@shiftygirl6434]

And yet this lesson still needs to be learned today. Better living everyone!

[@montebont]

I am a software developer. Your approach to "root cause analysis" is very helpful in general. Thanks for sharing !

[@nesleinf]

Big respect for your policy not to blame any specific person in your programmes. That makes your conclusions much more clean of any other speculations and your programme more believeable. As always. Another fine analysis of an aircraft incident!

[@shyamalsengupta2856]

I am retired Aircraft Maintenance Engineer and had AiRBus A319,A320 and A321 endorsement for certification Authority along with other other type of aircraft. I had put 34 years of service in aviation. I do enjoy the episodes you make . Thanks

[@djinn666]

A great approach to fixing things that suddenly broke is to undo what you just did. The pilot moved his seat forward right before the incident, so if he had just moved it back, it would have been resolved instantly.

[@Amanda-C.]

He probably didn't even think about moving his seat forward. Just an automatic, forgettable action as he switched focus back to actively piloting the plane. In such an urgent situation, thinking back to, "what is everything I was just doing" is going to take away a lot of valuable attention that could be used to move forward.

[@Lilliz91]

I doubt he understood the connection what his movement and the situation with the flight had.

[@turkishraf]

Superb video. I so appreciate the fact that you do not assign blame. A late friend was an air crash investigator and always said what you do. "Its never a single event, its a build up" . Superb series. Thank you for making it.

[@kwasisb5390]

Well we thank God for these automatic safety and redundancy systems. The engineers really be doing some hard work out there to keep us safe. They have my respect..

[@thomasmartin7542]

Once again, an interesting and unusual thing, well presented. After several reports where the interface between pilot and machine intelligence was the cause of incidents, here is an example where machine intelligence prevented a tragic outcome. The whole thing reminds me of an incident in my vehicle where the first thing I saw was smoke coming from under the passenger seat. I was able to stop and turned off the engine. Then it turned out that the passenger's handbag had got stuck between the door and the adjustment of the seat and had kept pressing the button. The seat was in the end position and the electric motor of the seat started to overheat and burn out. You couldn't hear the electric seat motor because of the driving noise. Well, we wouldn't have crashed because of that but...Happy Easter

[@NicolaW72]

Happy Easter!🙂👍

[@superslimanoniem4712]

Maybe you would've though. The overheated motor could catch something on fire, filling the car with smoke quickly.

[@thomasmartin7542]

@@samueldavila2156 u r right. It was a Youngtimer, designed in Germany, produced in USA :)

[@modulator7861]

Great episode! Each of these stories is a reminder of how miraculous the "Miracle of Flight" really is. For every flight, there are literally *millions* of factors (from design & engineering, to manufacturing, and maintenance, to the training, experience and split-second performance of pilots and crew members) that have to go just right for these planes to stay in the air. Hats off to all those folks in this long, improbable chain of causality. LOL

[@eddyrourke5514]

Many years ago as a young and naive driver I had a can of pop on my lap and I had to brake sharply, the can flew forward and jammed underneath the brake pedal and prevented me braking which was terrifying. I did manage to flick the can away with my other foot and stop in time but this incident has always been at the forefront of my thinking with unsecured objects in a vehicle and very early into his video with the help of your many hints I had guessed what had happened.

[@thecrazyswede2495]

The same kind of thing happened to me a few years ago. I was taking my car out of the garage, and suddenly it was full gas, and I couldn't control it. I spent quite some time jazzing around in my yard before I got control back again. It turned out that the little rubber mat under my feet (not nailed to the floor...) had managed to creep up onto the gas pedal, jamming it totally. Like all good pilots it never struck me that I could shut the ignition off, and then search for an explanation. I just kept holding tight on to the steering wheel, trying not to crash into anything, wondering what the whatever was going on. Ah well... Whatever else, we're both survivors! cheers! /CS And thanks to Mentour Pilot for a great series of videos!

[@pault1964]

This is why it is illegal to wear flip flops while driving in the uk they can fold and interrupt braking and acceleration this happened that is why they banned them

[@Qsefthuko4]

​@@pault1964wives tale

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

@@thecrazyswede2495 should have put it on neutral and use hand brake, it's already happened, but it's always good to find how to stop car in various situations

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

@@pault1964 it's banned in car's manual

[@gooberthoreau]

Though a problem, the accident on the captain's part is far less concerning than his clearly intentional cover up of the cause and lying about it. You can't have someone like that flying.

[@Lozzie74]

I have the same view. What a dodgy guy.

[@obitouchiha4739]

@@Lozzie74 We technically do not know that, since there wasn't enough evidence to punish him for that. What we do know is that he was negligent, which he did receive punishments for it.

[@donp1088]

You are absolutely incredible at describing, unpacking, explaining these events you bring to the Internet.

[@drk_blood]

I always enjoy these episodes while eating. I like your way of presenting and explaining the key moments of the accidents, it's even better than the old AirCrashInvestigation series from Nat Geo. I wish you all the best, handsome scandinavian Captain.

[@MentourPilot]

Well thank you!! 💕

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

He is handsome, isn’t he? Scandi guys are hot.

[@mapleext]

😂

[@drk_blood]

@@kimberlyperrotis8962 I am a boy actually, and not even homo 😂

[@flyingwithsol]

I’m hungry 😂

[@TheLetsboogiedown]

This reminds me that there is a corollary to certain types of automobile accidents. Never, EVER, allow loose items on the floor of the driver's seat of the vehicle. A typical glass bottle can roll out and underneath the brake pedal preventing application of the brakes. This can lead to panic, and worse, an accident.

[@newyou6210]

The first officer made it back into the cockpit in less than 30s after being slammed onto the ceiling of the aircraft and crawl in utter chaos. That's impressive as hell

[@bruno84]

Sad for everyone involved, especially for the flight crew. Anyone in this line of work knows that no matter how experienced or good you are, you're always a second away of ending up on a report for the worst reasons...

[@grene1955]

Thanks!

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you so much for your wonderful support!! It means a lot

[@dalebrown322]

Another fantastic explanation of an incident that should not have happened. Thanks for all you do for aviation safety.

[@NicolaW72]

Finally, the Aircraft pulled itself out of the situation. The Cabin Crew and the Passengers will congratulate Airbus for the Fly-by-Wire-Configuration. Thank you very much for this Presentation of a fairly unknown, but remarkable Event!

[@kenbrown2808]

biggest lesson to take from this: no loose items where they can come into contact with controls. this applies to cars, too.

[@MentourPilot]

Correct!

[@kenbrown2808]

@@MentourPilot when I was young, I once realized I'd developed a habit - when driving under cruise control - of crossing my clutch foot over my throttle/brake foot. fortunately, it was an easy habit to break, and there was no incident.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@bengrogan9710]

@@kenbrown2808 If you take note there is a "Shelf" on the side of where the cluthc pedals are to give a place for that foot to relax in the footweel

[@kenbrown2808]

@bengrogan9710 yes, but driving for 7 hours with your feet in the same place gets a little uncomfortable. Worst driving co.partmenr I've been in was a us ford transit express. The floorboards slope downhill from the seat, so the only available foot position is at the end of the footwell.

[@sheaoakley7126]

Glad for the "shout-out" commending the excellent cabin crew, people who many times are the "unsung-heroes" in these kinds of frightening (and injurious) in-flight incidents. God bless them.

[@Archimedesu]

I like that you say how long the events happen, when you describe it in such detail it sounds like minutes go by but the whole thing happening in just 10 seconds just shows how fast things can go wrong and how little time to react they have

[@munyabrownn]

Before you even start talking I know I'm in for the ride of my life with how you explain your videos. This turned into a great afternoon! Happy Easter Holidays

[@MentourPilot]

Thanks for your comment. Happy Easter Munyaradzi!

[@catrinmelldansen]

I really liked how you organised the events in this one! It's really interesting seeing it from the pilot's perspective, showing how unknown the causes are to accidents!

[@RiftWalker111]

Whoa, something so small almost took out an entire aircraft, luckily the First Officer and safety measures gave him enough time for both pilots to recover from this.

[@laratheplanespotter]

The side stick/camera thing is what we in forensic science call Locard’s Exchange Principle. The transfer of fibres/materials between 2 things. We use it as a tool to explain the meeting of 2 things (in our case between suspects and victims). We have a saying ‘believe nothing, trust no one and check everything’ You’ve just given me an idea for what I’m going to do with this forensic science degree. THANK YOU!

[@MentourPilot]

Awesome! I’m glad I could be of some help!

[@brianwest2775]

"court-martial charges for negligently performing a duty, perjury, and making a false record." At 29:12 I was so disappointed in the captain because it sounded like he realized that the camera was the cause but was too embarrassed to tell anyone. Did he take the camera home after the flight? Did he see the new marks on the camera? and the photos that he didn't intend to take? I'm guessing that his hiding of this information is the primary reason for his court martial, not for the operational mistakes (but I don't know what's common).

[@NicolaW72]

@@brianwest2775 That´s probable, indeed.

[@ukchanak]

I want you to know that i was never interested in planes or flying, even though my husband does flight simulations, until i found this channel. You make things interesting, informative, and understandable for even the most layperson of us! thank you

[@lisahinton9682]

Petter, you are very skilled at relaying very technical information but in a way that even those of us not in the aviation field can still understand. And then on top of that, you keep us glued to the video, and the time just flies by. With each of your videos, I am always surprised that a half-hour has already passed. Lastly, you're looking mighty handsome 🥰 as you walk through that airport! Whoo! Lucky wife, you have! hahaha Sorry, please forgive an older girl for that!

[@patrickbaumgardner2765]

I love love love these videos! Your breakdowns are so informative and captivating I just can’t get enough. You make these complex situations easy to understand fun to watch. You and your team deserve an Oscar for the content you put out! Just a perfect Saturday, the Masters, rewatching the Australian GP and Mentour Pilot!!!

[@MentourPilot]

Aww, that’s so nice to hear and knowing that you guys appreciate them makes this whole work worth while. 💕

[@dennischiapello7243]

I've just discovered your channel, and I've got to say how much I appreciate the professional quality of your videos. Your narrations are excellent, and the visuals really stand out from the pack. Every image is clarifying and to-the-point. Even the rare use of stock images is well handled. (No shots of two hands fanning out 1000-dollar bills whenever money is mentioned!) I often wonder if I've got the 30 or 40 minutes to spare, but once I begin watching, I'm hooked.

[@Sleepyhead101]

Your channel is like Air Crash Investigation with the ultimate upgrade. Loving all of your videos so far! (Including the older non-crash investigation ones.)

[@more_than_3_characters]

@Greg Hammon A quick Google Search of "Air Crash Investigation" will yield you this: "Mayday, known as Air Crash Investigation(s) outside of the United States and Canada and also known as Mayday: Air Disaster (The Weather Channel) or Air Disasters (Smithsonian Channel) in the United States" from Wikipedia

[@Eternal_Tech]

@Greg Hammon This channel obtains the information about the incidents that they report on from the official reports issued by the appropriate government agencies. Anyone can access and use these reports. If multiple content creators read these reports and create videos about them, it does not necessarily mean that one content creator "ripped off" another content creator. For example, there have been many books written and numerous shows produced about the United States Civil War. However, each content creator tends to show their own perspective on the subject. No one entity is given a monopoly to report on a certain subject.

[@Eternal_Tech]

@Greg Hammon Okay, I understand now. Thank you for the clarification.

[@Necro3Monk]

@Greg Hammon Different name for the same show, which use different narrators for different regions as many shows do. Any youtube videos are just posting the show on this site.

[@tobiwan001]

Well, the A330 MRTT is a formidable aircraft and there is a reason it won basically every purchase competition it entered into. In this case it really saved the aircraft.

[@steve3291]

Fantastic coverage as always. Who would have thought that a camera could have caused such an upset? Credit to the FO for his actions despite having fractures to his spine and nerve damage.

[@Lozzie74]

The camera didn’t cause the issue. The person who put the camera in that spot caused the issue.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@Lozzie74 settle down, dork.

[@bobobaggans6871]

Thank you Petter for your efforts with this channel! I am learning so much about aviation. I always wanted to fly, but as one comment below stated: not everyone should be a pilot. I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but since you have renewed my passion in flying again i just built a really nice simulator!! X-Pland and MSFS are just fantastic and I fly my CJ4 and 747 all around the world. So privileged to be alive with this technology we have today. At least when i do something stupid in the cockpit, i just hit the reset button. ( thanks for the t-shirt too...lol)

[@howdan1985]

Wow thank you MP for one of (if not *THE*) most fascinating and well-produced "Air Crash/Near-Miss Investigation" videos I've ever seen. The graphics and animations combined with your aviation expertise and clarity of explanation are world class. Really enjoyed this video but also feel shocked that yet another example of appalling "Pilot Error" could have resulted in the needless deaths of hundreds of passengers.

[@Aikisbest]

I havent yet watched the vid but I would think that "Yet another avoidable incident that could have resulted in the needless deaths of hundreds of passangers" would be more appropriate considering the many times another living being besides the flight crew is responsible for causing it, what with shortcuts in repair work, cost-cutting etc etc.

[@howdan1985]

@@Capecodham Mentour Pilot

[@howdan1985]

@@Aikisbest 👏👏👏 - Isn't it so shocking how reckless and criminally stupid some of these (supposedly professional) pilots are? In the fatal crashes (for example, Controlled Flight Into Terrain caused by pilot error) I always wondered how their own survival instincts didn't kick in to save themselves and their passengers...

[@Aikisbest]

@@howdan1985 This is true, but many times "Pilot Error" is used as a scapegoat reason, so it is very important not to just throw that accusation around willy nilly, if that makes sense? I understand what you mean though and yes without ever having been in any such situation it is indeed unfathomable sometimes to hear that someone did not act in the name of survival.

[@bobby1970]

​@@howdan1985I'm just glad it wasn't intentional, and that everybody is safe.

[@vinniechudam1835]

Airbus' version of MCAS worked in this situation. The fact that the plane corrected itself and recovered after the erroneous sidestick input caused by the Captain's seat shifting the camera is testament to the failsafe protection built into this plane.

[@tomstravels520]

MCAS is nowhere near the same as the Airbus Electronic Flight Control System

[@HMSNeptun]

MCAS is definitely not comparable to Airbus's protection in normal LAW. MCAS is a sloppy botch job to make the 737 max cheaper and skip the pilot retraining to attract customers, while Airbus'es protection is built to protect you from dying to dumb things. In normal LAW, you could not even crash the plane if you wanted to(besides switching to alternate LAW or direct LAW, obviously)

[@SpiDey1500]

MCAS is nothing you can compare to Airbus protection in normal Law. MCAS is bad, Airbus protection works like magic.

[@tomstravels520]

@@HMSNeptun well you can still nose dive it into the ground as long as you don’t overspeed. How do you think the Germanwings pilot did it in 2015?

[@HMSNeptun]

@@tomstravels520 I am not aware of that fact, thanks for pointing it out. I have once been on an A320 simulator before, and the way the aircraft pulled up on its own when I tried to fly the aircraft to the ground left a deep impression in my mind. The Germanwings incident shows that currently no systems on any commercial aircraft can protect against deliberate pilot action to crash the aircraft. But I wanted to reiterate that normal LAW on an Airbus can provide a predictable and stable flight control system, while MCAS was a system that made the aircraft unpredictable.

[@ricardoleonor1647]

Good Morning Pyeter. I really appreciate the fact that you give us information and stay away from sensationalism. You stance on not "assigning blame" if you will is a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work!! On side note, how you and your fellow pilots can maintain composure and awareness in moments like these is amazing.

[@OpusBuddly]

The years of experience required for airline transport pilot certification tends to weed out those who are unable to maintain composure and awareness in moments of high stress.

[@SchroomMetanoia]

the copilot is a real hero here too though. I read up on this and the poor man had broken his back, but still crawled into his cockpit seat!

[@leon_sale]

So so clever, that attention to detail and how the HELL they can work all this out is amazing. Hats off and well explained in understandable terms by the Ginger Legend of a Pilot. These videos are great. Fabulous work by the Mentour Pilot and his Team.

[@Abishek_Muthian]

Good protections from Airbus saved the day, Excellent investigation by the authorities.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

This has actually given me more faith in the whole computerised system for flying. Before I elaborate I just want to say I am in awe of the First Officer and his actions, even if the plane eventually saved itself, it might well have been a situation where his input was required to save the plane. The sheer fact of his presence is awesome. And of course, the cabin crew should be recognised for their own heroism; staying so calm when probably injured to some extent, and undoubtedly shaken & scared, and continuing to do their jobs to the highest standards - while we remember that they're only human after all - that deserves some form of official thanks. So often there's been a problem because of an undiscovered underlying problem with the system (slightly loose wires rubbing over time against a hard point, eventually cutting through and shorting out, as an example), that I have an inherent distrust of computers having some sort of overriding control. Bear in mind I'm of an age (pre-Windows 3.1, my first home PC) when computerised systems for non-avionics items were treated with caution (and back then, my husband was working for GEC Avionics making prototype computer systems lol. I trusted his work, but at that time even he didn't trust everything that was being developed). I am probably biased against such systems even now. Having watched far too many aircraft accidents (with good as well as bad outcomes) on TV, it didn't do much for my confidence. The fact that a tiny wasp nest in a single pitot tube could bring a jet down with everyone lost, essentially (IIRC) because the computer couldn't figure out the difference between the pressures in the two tubes (it's been years since I saw this one but I believe this to be how it worked) didn't fill me with confidence! But this has shown how a well-designed and built system can be a better pilot than a highly experienced human. All-in-all, I'm just glad that everyone lived to tell the tale.

[@johannesgutsmiedl366]

the funny thing is that all that happened here when you look at it from an outside perspective is the aircraft looked at a pilot command saying "suicide dive", went "how about no" and turned it into a steep but controlled descent instead... trial by fire for the now 40 year old Airbus envelope protection system, passed with flying colours!

[@LiliumAtratum]

@@johannesgutsmiedl366 From a computer's/computer programmer's perspective it is not that straightforward to distinguish between "suicide dive" and any other type of sudden dive that you might actually want to do, e.g. as a result of decompression.

[@hifiandrew]

yet taken away yet more faith in the sidestick design...

[@richardgallagher4880]

Wasn't it one of the latest planes the autopilot just decided to deliberately crash into the ground. Twice if I remember.

[@cr10001]

@@richardgallagher4880 No, it was the 737 Max, it wasn't the autopilot, and a large part of the problem originated because it is a very old design.

[@joerivanlier1180]

This shows the other side of the "automation danger", this plane would have crashed without the Airbus safety systems, it saved the day. After this, it does show pilots in the loop are definitely required, in this case only for calming the passengers, but they did a hell of a lot of checking if everything was working as it's supposed to.

[@CP2468]

This one is absolutely incredible. A reminder that no matter how inconvenient they may seem to some, airline rules exist for a very good reason.

[@allecazzam8224]

How do pilots train to keep calm during intense issues like this? 99% of people would mentally shut down in high stress situations

[@BigWhoopZH]

That would be a great topic for a video. Very interesting question.

[@allecazzam8224]

@@BigWhoopZH Right! I'm glad others think so too.

[@drk_blood]

They don't really train for this. They train for all the specific situations and when the worst comes and it is completely "off the script", unfortunatelly so many good pilots can't handle the stress that well and they start to loose focus even for the most basic things like .. checking flight instruments every minute. You have so many examples of tragedies or bad accidents here on this channel .. :( On the positive note tho, some of them are just built differentely and can be chill in literally any circumstance.

[@MentourPilot]

We are trained to focus on the task at hand and what procedures we can use to solve it. We try to avoid letting fear intervene as it’s not constructive.

[@theaureliasys6362]

Training training training training training and a lot of screening. Oh. And learning from all the incidents that HAVE happened. As always, many if not most of the rules are written in blood.

[@patrickfreeman8257]

Since I was a kid I've loved a good mystery. I used to read Agatha Christie novels and try to figure out who the murder was. I've never actually stopped doing this and, as an adult have actually written a couple mystery novels of my own. So, about half way through this video I'm "metaphorically" raising my hand and yelling "I know! I know! I know what happened!"

[@alveolate]

hahaha i had a similar reaction, the way the script mentioned the camera, the sidestick and the seat, made it pretty well-telegraphed tho. still some really great storytelling.

[@davidjacobs3275]

@@alveolate "forshadowing" lol

[@chrismwaniki3903]

It is amazing how redundant, reliable and safety cautious modern jetliners are. Automation here served the purpose it was made for and saved the situation. Very interesting!

[@Hellsong89]

Sure but other hand those add complexity that leads to more fail points and safety systems brings over trust to systems and when those fail pilots have even harder time to solve the issue. Just like with car driving all the systems are sure nice, but moment those cant deal the situation or go to tilt/fail driver already is passenger at that point, having not learned instinctively to fix the situation, nor have time to do so. Also when you start driving with those systems in place you really dont learn to drive. Seen this happen many times where cars just simply go out of the road. Had couple accidents and near misses my self, but in those driving skill saved the day from far worse fate.. its not like cars computer can loose the rear end intentionally and pull to inner corner or put it into intentional 4wheel slide to stay in ice covered areas since not doing that would meant going off road or flipping.

[@Tom_Emody]

I really love the way you do your videos. Thoughtful, kind, caring, and respectful in your approach. I enjoy that very much in a world that more and more lacks these crucial characteristics. Thank you.

[@love2fly558]

Nicely made video with all the details. It was almost like a game of Clues. As you were getting closer to revealing the cause, I was like “It’s the pilot with the cup of tea, at the armrest.” I had the weapon wrong, it was the camera. Glad everyone made it alive and sorry for the co-pilot, someone wrote he suffered a broken back.

[@andybonneau9209]

Notice that the captain didn't volunteer the fact that he had discovered that his camera had been to blame for the incident. Carelessness and inattention are common causes for many of these issues.