MERSEYRAIL GUARD IMPRISONED: FIVE YEARS FOR MANSLAUGHTER

[@PottersVideos2]

I hope he appealed his conviction, the woman was actually at fault by her actions!

[@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042]

I agree that the woman was at fault, but the train guard shouldn't have dispatched the train either. I think the solution is to remove the guard's duty of care to passengers. The guard's duty to protect the passengers should not come before the passenger's duty to protect themselves.

[@nothisispatrick6180]

She shouldent be leaning on the train and the gaurd shouldent of gave the right away there both in the wrong

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Bit like your grammar love

[@edinburghtransport7604]

Misplaced Kiwi spelling*

[@class317]

@@misplacedkiwi9498 pls stfu, you're nobody to correct others spelling

[@romanstubetrains64]

Hello Patrick

[@thomaswinn5599]

@@misplacedkiwi9498 Honestly, shut the fuck up. You're nobody to correct others writing. In future, keep your stuipd comments to yourself, dickhead! 😡😡

[@johnb8956]

I feel sorry for the parents but the fact that the parents are solely blaming the guard is disgraceful. The girl was being a nuisance and putting herself (knowingly) in a situation that seriously risked her life. Eventually something like that is inevitable.

[@PottersVideos2]

I wouldn't go that far, you can blame the Heroin and Alcohol that she took not knowing the consequences of it. The result of this is ironically the US backed War On Drugs, this incident proves that this drug war in not only ineffective, but even adds fuel to the fire if 16 year old girls are able to easily get hold of Heroin and end up dead like this. This is why all drugs should be legalised, or at least decriminalised. #EndTheDrugWar #LegaliseAllDrugs

[@johnkelly1083]

I agree. This is tragic for all involved, and clearly whilst the guard has the responsibility of conducting his duties, people also need to take some personal responsibility for their own safety. This doesn't just apply to rail, it applies to all aspects of life whether driving a car, or crossing the road.

[@MrBluebirds22]

Well it’s always going to be inevitable with incompetent guards like this one

[@tea4471]

she was drunk so obviously she didn’t know what position she was in. he was a trained guard, he shouldn’t have just assumed what her actions would be.

[@johnb8956]

@@tea4471 and who made her get drunk? Who made her then go next to the train. She did that herself.

[@skoodledoo]

"my daughter was portrayed as being a drunken liablity, the only liability that night was the guard, which she had the misfortune to encounter". I'm sorry your daughter is now gone, but she was drunk and she was a liability to herself. Should've been misadventure at most.

[@PottersVideos2]

But you can't blame her for not knowing the effects of mixing Alcohol and Heroin, blame politicians for the drug war which created the lucrative black market in drugs like Heroin in the first place. Had Heroin been legal and regulated, it's unlikely that she would've found herself taking it, and it's also unlikely that this tragedy would've happened. #EndTheDrugWar #LegaliseAllDrugs

[@LolLol-gd7ly]

@@PottersVideos2 she shouldn't have been on smack in the first place

[@finlayclarke2685]

@@PottersVideos2 Stop going off topic.

[@PottersVideos2]

@@finlayclarke2685 Why must I?

[@buffplums]

So the fact that the girl was pissed up according to her motter was not the daughters fault. Maybe if they had brought their daughter up a bit better to not shamefully abuse her body she might still be alive.

[@PottersVideos2]

If there is anyone that she should be angry at it, it is her so called "friends" who allowed her to get drunk and then take copious amounts of heroin.

[@FireBlade9773]

Tragic. A 16yr old girl (underage) was drunk and going out in town, but no blame for the family/friends she was with?

[@johnb8956]

Or herself. It’s sad but come on now, the guard is just the fall guy

[@MrBluebirds22]

Well they didn’t tell the driver it was ok to depart in fairness.

[@FireBlade9773]

@@MrBluebirds22 no, but they let the drunk girl keep jumping of, messing around and jumping back on.

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@FireBlade9773 and? She’s a passenger, is it illegal to do that?

[@jakefox589]

@@MrBluebirds22 yes it is - it’s obstruction of transit which can lead to 15 years in prison or £125000 bail

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Oh ffs, stupid people. I mean rip to this girl and condolences to the family but trains are on strict timetables and by the sound of it this girl was a freakin liability. This guard should never have been jailed. He was probably under pressure from the driver etc to leave! Rail companies get charged lots of money per minute that they are late. Tragic, but not his fault

[@Steve14ps]

Sadly the guard took the blame for all of this, he should not have been sentenced to five years imprisonment. Looks like someone had to have been a scapegoat

[@MrBluebirds22]

Oh that makes it completely understandable I mean Yh a girl died but as long as the service wasn’t more that 5 minutes late right?

[@williamhuang8309]

Not entirely the guard's fault. The problem with juries is they are formed of the general public and the general public tend to be swayed easily by emotion.

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@williamhuang8309 so in other words you know better than a court of law?

[@williamhuang8309]

@@MrBluebirds22 I'm just saying the general public can be easily influenced by a few sobs and some words and phrases being thrown around such as "you ruined my life" * sobs * to exaggerate the situation.

[@echothehusky]

The only person at fault here was the drunk girl. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@hanzobi1926]

I was Security at the the time on these trains. She was also, jumping off and on stations prior to James Street and appeared to be more than just alcohol intoxicated. The train guard was just a fall guy to blame, to not give Merseyrail bad press, so they had to put the blame on somebody. It was completley her own fault, not the guard. Been in his cab many of times and he gave the 2 ding signal properly at the correct time (she was away from the train doors (step) but then decided to grab the doors as the train moved off after the driver got the 2 dings, resulting in her foot being caught and dragged under the train.

[@Julle3424]

blame it on the guard wtf ? thats bs its not his fault everyone does mistakes its human

[@alfiehnotts]

Everyone makes mistakes, yes. This mistake cost someone their life. This is different.

[@MrBluebirds22]

It’s the guards fault He’s responsible for her death Simple as

[@johnb8956]

@@alfiehnotts no, her own mistake caused her death, he just didn’t prevent it

[@TrainPlaneFan123]

@@MrBluebirds22 SIMP

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@johnb8956 which is a mistake because it’s his job to prevent it!

[@avgfree21]

I would have acquitted him on the basis that she caused her own death through her actions

[@stubby2024]

Yeah I agree. Why on earth was she leaning against the train in the first place?????!!!!!

[@MrBluebirds22]

So the guard wasn’t responsible for not following protocol?

[@johnb8956]

@@MrBluebirds22 he was responsible for not carrying out his duties, not for her death. She caused that herself

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@johnb8956 No he did. That's what his duties were, to protect people. He didn't and she died as a result.

[@isaactimmins8959]

@@MrBluebirds22 she failed to remain behind the yellow line & died as a result, if she had of been sensible & not trying to play leapfrog at proceeding calls, if anyone should be charged its the parents for neglectfully allowing a child to drink,

[@annehobson2481]

she was lending on the train WHY

[@robertdefoe2396]

Feel sorry for the driver, they didn't even know until it was too late.

[@thomaswinn5599]

I absolutely agree. It wasn't even the train guard's fault because the drunk girl shouldn't have been near the train while the train was leaving the platform.

[@prime6134]

As u said she drunk at least he could of push her away from the platform

[@thomaswinn5599]

@@prime6134 I understand were you're coming from like. However, if someone pushes someone who's drunk or toxicated could easily have violence towards you or other people. It puts you, themselves or others at risk of danger. If someone does push someone who is drunk or toxicated could easily have a accident and hurt themselves, for example banging their heads. In my opinion, people who are drunk or toxicated should be rufused travelling on railway stations or travelling on trains because some people who are drunk or toxicated have no control by what they're doing. They could easily put themselves or others at risk of danger. People should always be sensible or behave on railway stations because people need to have control and awareness of themselves and others. Personally, people need to be careful if they have been drinking or going out for a good night out. Honestly, the girl's friends make me angry and disgusted because the poor girl who lost her life was alone at the time of incident. The girl's friends are fake because real friends always stay together and make sure everyone gets home safely.

[@johnallen7807]

16 yrs old and that drunk she has to lean against a train? I think her mother has a few questions to answer.

[@davidmcleod5808]

As a dispatcher myself, it is extremely frustrating that people do this alot and I want to send the train out regardless, but I cannot. Every dispatcher knows this is a regular occurrence and we have to deal with it. I understand the man's annoyance at her stupid, drunken, immature behaviour, but he has to perform his duties as taught. She is incredibly stupid, but he is more so for what he done.

[@seelbyy1436]

@Anthony D bro just stop

[@BluejayElectra]

The Merseyrail Guard shouldn’t have been blamed for an accident he had no control over. While he sort of DID breach safety rules, the drunk girl should not have even been leaning on the train. Plus she was REALLY stoned above the limits. In other words, the guard is innocent while the girl is responsible for the incident.

[@MrBluebirds22]

“While he sort of DID breach safety rules” “The guard is innocent” Well that doesn’t add up!

[@thelastpilot4582]

Another case for the Darwin Awards

[@CityWhisperer]

Even tho it was the woman's fault, it was also negligence by the guard, he had seen her but did not react.

[@andrewhall7074]

Not his fault. She should have been away from the train and not acting like an idiot.

[@thomaswinn5599]

I absolutely agree. It's technically the drunk girl's fault because she should have stayed away from the train while the train was leaving the platform.

[@bizzarebanana3041]

She was drunk. It is partially his fault as he should have made sure it was safe.. because y'know that's part of his job?

[@mrhaggit]

No, it was the stupid girls fault for leaning against it-surely the guard would expect the girl to move out the way once the doors are all closed!

[@thomaswinn5599]

I absolutely agree with you that it was the drunk girl's fault because she shouldn't have been near the train while the train was leaving the platform. She shouldn't have been messing about on the platform in the first place.

[@mrhaggit]

@@thomaswinn5599 yeah you’re right railways aren’t a place to act like a 2 year old

[@thomaswinn5599]

@@mrhaggit Exactly.

[@williamhuang8309]

Unfortunately "common sense" isn't so common. Doors close? The train is probably going to move. Oh, and the girl was underage and drunk.

[@jameslavery4968]

She was f ing about at a number of stations before the incident.

[@devoniantt1562]

I think this could be a killer for the argument that a guard is necessarily safer.

[@misplacedkiwi9498]

Exactly! Rail companies want to take guards off the railways- then it’s the drivers fault

[@MrBluebirds22]

And rightfully so

[@romanstubetrains64]

0:27 SHE DID THE LONDON UNDERGROUND MIND THE GAP BETWEEN THE TRAIN AND THE PLATFORM ANNOUNCEMENT

[@class317]

shut the hell up

[@cdname47]

A lot of victim blaming in this comment chain which is disappointing but people into trains are more likely to have empathy (if they have such a thing) for the guard than the girl and don't want to consider the wider ramifications The fact is, a human life is more important than dispatching your train on time. You might have a smug "well, she'll move when the train moves" attitude, but the truly responsible thing to do would be to not move that train until she was back behind the yellow line. Doesn't matter if the train is late, doesn't matter if you have to keep sounding the horn or asking her to move, even requesting help from the station staff, whatever. Do not move that train with a human being leaning on it. It wasn't the drink that killed her that night, it was the train moving.

[@callumwilliamson31]

thats what you get when your drunk and lean up against a train

[@MrBluebirds22]

And have a guard who can’t do his job correctly

[@lornagalbraith7757]

Her parents are solely blaming the guard and even getting annoyed at the fact their daughter was described as a drunken liability even though she was drunk. But the fact that someone is a nuisance doesn’t mean that you should let a train go when a person or thing has contact with the train. I believe that the sentence was right and he should never have the control of a vehicle ever.

[@Rheilffordd]

Tragic yes, stupid, also yes. This is where the downfall of the UK’s society continues, where someone so stupid and drunk pays for it with their life yet someone else is held liable for it 😠😠😠

[@AW-kr9fl]

No way did that poor train guard deserve to be convicted. She was drunk, high and causing trouble. It’s a tragic loss but I wouldn’t blame the guard. I also feel sorry for the driver having a fatality through no fault of their own.

[@j.a.g1291]

How is the train guard not at fault here? He neglected her safety. He signalled for the train to go when it was not safe to do so. Of course she was drunk, high and unaware of her surroundings. But that doesn’t mean the guard isn’t responsible here. At the end of the day, it was his signal for departure when it was clearly not safe that caused a death here. Had the guard not gave the right away, she would not have lost her life that day.

[@PottersVideos2]

Why didn't McGee just use the red emergency brake button or give the driver one on the bell?

[@david-stewart]

He did give one on the bell and the driver made an emergency brake application but by that time the girl had already been run over.

[@HoodedFig900]

Travesty of justice

[@SarahCraggs-k5l]

Why was a 16 year old girl drunk and high on mephadrone? And the train guard is solely to blame for this?

[@nigelkthomas9501]

Conductors should not be responsible for muppets like this! What was he expected to do? Shout at her to piss off? She would probably have just given him a mouthful of abuse. If anyone gets in the way of a train it’s their stupid fault in my book! Don’t be an arse🕳 where trains are concerned!

[@lizhalfpenny6649]

This is a joke he CANNOT be arrested it was her fault that she died

[@MrBluebirds22]

No it wasn’t Guard should never have signalled the train to depart

[@hoodygold8900]

It’s not his responsibility to give you common sense of what to do. He’s there for safety and keeping trains running. If anything he’s the victim here.

[@MrBluebirds22]

Safety?! Well he did a great job there didn’t he!!

[@millercool21]

It's the girls fault if she wasn't getting of at every station none of this would of happened

[@MrBluebirds22]

Also would have happened if the guard didn’t breach safety rules

[@Looiiss37]

I do understand both sides of the debate, in fact, I think it was both of them. The guard sent the train off and honestly yes she might have been a pain but you don't kill her! She was leaning on the train as well and the fact that the mum is trying to defend her actions is stupid. Yes, she is your daughter but you can't really give a good reason why she was not in some part in the wrong here. I do understand that she was drunk, but why did she take the train? Maybe it's ignorance.

[@buffplums]

So what do you as the parents and family say that 5e fact that you had nothing to do with the way that your daughter conducted herself… ?? yes I guess the guard IIS technically at fault but I doubt very much whether he would ever wanted to see your girl get hurt but clearly he was frustrated and yes 5ats no excuse but you can’t throw away all responsibility for what happened.

[@TEMPLE7D]

Kinda dumb people are trying to say the guard is innocent. No lol He literally saw her stuck and decided to give the signal to go causing death. No amount of drunkiness is a really to intentionally disregard someone stuck in a door..

[@lewiss626]

I think the girl was at fault with this one. Yes the guard should have have given the ready to start but for him to be charged with manslaughter when it was HER fault it ridiculous I hope he appealed it. She was drunk and clearly couldn’t handle it and someone else has to pay the price completely unfair. I mean legally she shouldn’t even be drunk at 16 in the UK but ahhh no we gloss over that fact

[@xbx.trains2192]

Well a 16 year old drunk doesn't sound great does it

[@lornagalbraith7757]

@j.a.g 1 she wasn’t on drugs stop making stuff up and it clearly says she was drunken. And also a guard should never be distracted and should always keep a look out, also by a persons movements you would know if they were intoxicated

[@finlayclarke2685]

She was out in town celebrating her friend's birthday party, she took a drug called Mephedrone or M-CAT at the party as well as being 3x over the drink drive limit. It says that in the official court release. While the guard was partly at fault she should've been well away from the train when the doors were closing, the guard was screaming at her to stand away from the train but she would not budge. Yes, he was partly at fault but blaming it entirely on him is disgusting.

[@lillybeaubignold529]

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[@williamhuang8309]

1. Guard shouldn't have dispatched the train. 2. The girl should not have been leaning on the train, especially after the doors have closed. 1:41 is she trying to pry open the door?

[@finlayclarke2685]

1:41 she was banging on the window.

[@lillybeaubignold529]

my movie

[@lillybeaubignold529]

my mob movies

[@TheArkamedBat]

This isn't GD's fault

[@LokiAvivson]

When will capital punishment return to the UK? Because if that happened in the US, he would be sentenced to death

[@PottersVideos2]

Never, this is a good thing as McGee doesn't deserve 5 years. In my view he shouldn't have even been found guilty. Even if guilty if I were the Judge I would have awarded an absolute discharge.

[@dessmith1387]

Wasn't Potter a school janitor at one point..

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@PottersVideos2 good thing you’re not a judge then!

[@williamhuang8309]

Death sentence seems unfair especially considering the girl was: 1. Underage and drunk 2. Repeatedly acting irresponsibly at multiple stations 3. What looks like she is messing around with the doors on the train So both the guard and the girl are at fault, the guard for failing to safely dispatch the train and instead relying on the girl's common sense (which she had little of due to her being drunk), and the girl should've been charged from underage drinking and acting irresponsibly.

[@DepakoteMeister]

@@williamhuang8309 Underage? Under what age?

[@MrBluebirds22]

So the guard failed to follow protocol Signalled for the driver to depart when it clearly wasn’t safe But the guard wasn’t to blame?! Most of these comments are out of touch with reality

[@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042]

Yes the guard failed the protocol, if anything they are asking why the guard has a greater duty of care to passengers as they have to themselves.

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042 Guard failed protocol, he was to blame simple.

[@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042]

In court it is not simply the letter of the law or the protocol that is taken as the bottom line, but it is also important why those protocols exist, and if those protocols are more than should be expected from the guard. Most people here in the comments argue that he may have broken protocol, but maybe that was not a good protocol. Everyone agrees that the guard did not do what the protocol said, what they are debating is whether the guard should have to follow that protocol given the actions of the person. They are debating the very nature of the rules. You are looking at this from a very legalistic perspective. And ultimately if most people agree that the girl was to blame, then how can it be said that she isn't to blame? Protocols mean nothing against the reasonable expectation and judgements of general society. Maybe if so many people disagree with the rules, then the rules should be changed. In other words they believe a guard should not be expected to hold a train for someone who is putting themselves and only themselves in danger.

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042 so in other words the guard didn’t follow protocol and The young girl died And now people are making up excuses as to why he isn’t responsible

[@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042]

yes.