Mesa Boogie Mark IIC++ G12-65 vs G12T-75 vs V30

[@claytonjackson224]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought the 65s were best. Very clear. Easy to record.

[@megahurtz30]

What a great sound !!! Best tone i've heard in years !! I liked all of them, but i think i prefer the first two

[@sheldonswan45]

I'd have to say G12-65 for this clip. They didn't have as much of that lingering raspiness/fizz, whatever you want to call it, haha. Thanks for taking the time to make the recordings!

[@TIGHTENmetal]

I will say, in the live (metal) band mix the fizz of the 75 & the 30 have them cutting much better. The 65s in comparison get lost.

[@sheldonswan45]

@@TIGHTENmetal I did think the T75 blended with the V30 would sound great. 🤘

[@TIGHTENmetal]

@@sheldonswan45 Yes and, there's a trick to it. To me, since the T75s are 3db quieter it doesn't work to blend them direct. What I like to do is run the V30s off the main amp, then slave to a separate power amp & run the T75s off it. That way I can balance the volume between the two cabs and in doing so it KILLS.

[@totc6196]

You can hear the puppets roar in the lower mids

[@mooferoo]

I definitely preferred G12T-75

[@Guy91]

agreed🤘🏻

[@pip5528]

G12-65 is my favorite.

[@quakana]

V30 but I would probably mess with the EQ settings a tad

[@exteriorhomeservices6458]

Loved the V30 best here.

[@stephenrainaldi1483]

It’d be interesting to hear how the 65’s & 75’s sound mixed in an X pattern in that cabinet. Both speakers have the same 97db rating. Perhaps a next video?

[@TIGHTENmetal]

Running both cabs as a full stack sounds fantastic.

[@YsAbTones]

sounds great

[@farkenfigjam8732]

I have a G12-65 and they are by far my favourite celestion speaker. It sounds f-ing brutal through my .50 Caliber+ and even more so through a IIC+. Also this is the first time I've seen a decent comparison video in a metal context that had a G12-65 in it. When I bought mine I had to use the Zilla Cabs 21 speaker comparison video to make my choice. Don't regret it though.

[@OfficialSNMvids]

I like both the 65 and 75 the most and would probably go with the 65 as my fav in this comparison. I assume the 65 and 75 are 16ohm? I wonder if V30 16ohm speakers would make a difference? One day I may buy the reissue 65's thanks to this video hear. Keep bringing them!!! \m/

[@TIGHTENmetal]

Yes, the 65s and 75s are 16 ohm. I believe it does make a difference.

[@hybridjohn1]

Super cool and surprising comparison based upon chosen tonal genre. G12-65 sounds the best to me. The G12T-75 sounds like it would be great in a mix. The V30 sounds shrill imo and, I typically like the V30 sound.

[@metriffs]

The 65 just have "that sound". I have Greenbacks up and V30 down. This makes me wanna swap and experiment.

[@lawrence9056]

I think I like the g1265 best. And the 75 second place. But the 75 with the V 30 is the ultimate blend where you hear the honk and depth.

[@TIGHTENmetal]

Agreed. My favorite blend overall in the metal context is the 30s and the 75s.

[@stevestevens1457]

@@TIGHTENmetal X pattern? What cab?

[@TIGHTENmetal]

@@stevestevens1457 No, separate cabs. All Mesa 4x12 traditional straight cabs.

[@stevestevens1457]

@@TIGHTENmetal thanks for the answer

[@julian7172]

Hey man I’ve been meaning to reach out to you to ask a question. I have a Mesa boogie mark IIC+ and it hasn’t been serviced in many years. There’s nothing wrong with the amp as far as I know. but I definitely want to get it serviced to get it running as best as possible. I want to send it off to Mesa boogie to get the job done but I don’t know how to go about doing it and I want to get an idea about the cost of doing so. Could you point me in the right direction. Thanks. Sick tones as always by the way keep it up.

[@TIGHTENmetal]

Thanks man.. Email rduvall at mesaboogie dot com and talk to him (Rich) about the service process, costs & getting a RMA#. I've done this at least 15 times, it's highly worth it even at the current prices.

[@julian7172]

Awesome. Thank you so much

[@jakedibiase7404]

The 75’s were the best and sounded like a great midpoint between the other two.

[@cfh13]

Its a hard choice between the 65 and 75. Crazy the 30s sound the worse here bc i own a traditional rect 4x12 and 2x12 w uk v 3os and they both sound great. I have two 4x12s i want to re-speaker so maby and deciding which speakers to get is not easy.

[@Turboy65]

I want to hear it with a quad of EVM-12Ls, just because I want to hear it.

[@TIGHTENmetal]

Guess you'll have some purchases to make then.

[@bradkillingsworth4137]

G12T-65 for the win

[@rangle187]

I play mostly G12M 55hz Blackbacks but I am super interested in 80's G12-65's. To my ears those were by far the best option out the 3 speakers here. T75's and V30's are not my bag. Any advice on the G12 65's from the 80's?

[@TIGHTENmetal]

They're fantastic rock speakers! I'm no expert but I've read that during their run there were quite a few changes. From what I can tell the sought after ones have 1777 cones & T3054 frames.

[@rangle187]

@@TIGHTENmetal right so that would be the model T3054 and 1777 is the lead cone. I am not a G12 65 expert but if there was a bass cone version I would lover to try it. Those usually have 444 stamped.

[@TIGHTENmetal]

@@rangle187 I had a pair of 444s. Still good, but definitely darker & didn't record/cut quite as well.

[@rangle187]

@@TIGHTENmetal Interesting! Good to know.

[@jsullivan2112]

Man the more I hear V-30s the more I hate 'em. Anyways I definitely prefer the 65s here.

[@jsullivan2112]

@UseTheSupeRsonic Whatever floats your boat. I prefer DV-77s for that sound.

[@jsullivan2112]

@UseTheSupeRsonic 70th anniversaries for me! EVM-12L, and Fanes too (in my Hiwatt cab)

[@jsullivan2112]

@UseTheSupeRsonic Haven’t had the pleasure of trying anything Soldano yet! No dealers anywhere close to me. Some day! The Hiwatt cab I’ve got is awesome, it’s a little bit oversized for that era so it’s got some extra thump. And the Fanes are still bright and clear without sounding brittle or spiky. V30s just became the instant sound everyone was looking for. I know there’s really nothing wrong with ‘em, and supposedly sit in the mix well with little EQ. No one likes to experiment anymore.

[@shekador]

did you use the same EQ settings for all three? if so would love to hear what they sound like with each dialed in with their own settings.

[@TIGHTENmetal]

The V30 & the T75 use the same settings, I just re-position the mic on the cone to balance the sounds out. The 65 however is a lot darker & I had to really crank the 6600 & presence to balance.

[@lawrence9056]

Forgot to mention how much you sound like Slayer with your band. Should throw some thrash in the mix, really put the icing on the cake. G 12t75 & v30 - ULTIMATE TONE - What I use.

[@TIGHTENmetal]

I'll take that as a compliment. :) We have a lot more songs we're recording, including a couple fast thrashy songs..

[@lawrence9056]

@@TIGHTENmetal absolutely a compliment - pioneers of United States thrash seen being pulled from underground- of course Metallica, Exodus, and Megadeth contributed to this phenomenon. Glenn's misfit days being the border of contributors to surfacing the underground scene. They had some fast shit. And I love that old misfit stuff, Vampira, Skull, Hollywood B, She, Die, Bullet etc

[@TIGHTENmetal]

@@lawrence9056 Awesome, thanks friend. Hopefully a couple months & we'll have new music posted!

[@thebostonguitarist7886]

Hi Tighten, I am wondering if you could answer a few questions for me? I'm seriously looking into buying my first Rectifier as it's been a dream of mine to own one for the last 20+ years. I wondering if you could tell me if the maintenance & repair is worth it, as so many amp techs speak negatively of Mesa's build quality? Can you easily find techs to work on them? Is it expensive to repair them? Thank you, if anybody should know it would be you after owning such a collection. Love the channel, I'll be sure to like and subscribe! Again, thanks!

[@TIGHTENmetal]

Generally speaking, Mesa Marks & Rectifiers are built like tanks. There are some exceptions though, for example the Tremoverbs had LDR issues (which is fixable), early Mark IVa had a cap that liked to explode after years of use and the Roadsters / Road Kings were so overly complex that there were some reliability issues. However, if you stick with normal Dual & Triple Rectos they are generally bomb proof. Then, if there is an issue, you send the amp back to Mesa for service. Yes it's expensive and it's worth it if you care about keeping your amp long term.

[@thebostonguitarist7886]

@@TIGHTENmetal Thanks for the reply back! I'm thinking of getting a 2 channel Rev. G or Tremoverb Dual Rectifier. If I get a three channel, for some odd reason I tend to gel with the triples more than the duals. Thanks for the info because for some odd reason Mesa tend to get a bad reputation by techs. However, I'm truly convinced that it's based on mesa's complex circuitry rather than cheap components. If techs are used to fixing 60's Deluxe Reverbs then of course they'll hate working on more complex designs. I feel reasonably secure that I should be fine with a Mesa. Thank you so much!

[@kaish8184]

G12-65 is master of puppets G12t-75 is and justice for all

[@luisalextorres]

i thought the exact same thing

[@totc6196]

What was the reverb ? Sounds like a small room?

[@TIGHTENmetal]

No reverb, just a small room.

[@totc6196]

@@TIGHTENmetal have you noticed justice the room is blended so slightly ? Sounds killer though the g12-65s are insane.

[@giorgosk2884]

V30s for modern metallica while the 65s and 75s for early RTL/MOP tones

[@totc6196]

65 is the Metallica speaker no doubt puppets and justice I’m certain.

[@Tomcat82]

Well no, but also yes ...sort of. The 65 was likely used on Lightning, but Puppets and Justice were both recorded with the first generation of T-75. However, these older T-75s are not the same as the modern version; they are built differently with a little vent hole out the back of the magnet, just like the 65. They are said to sound very similar to 65s as well.

[@luisalextorres]

i think the 65s sounds most like the MOP tone for sure but the 75s used in this clip sound very much like AJFA even more so when the lead doubles kick in

[@totc6196]

@@luisalextorres I’ve since come to the conclusion justice was both flemming said two cabs were used.

[@denisrad4339]

What cab is being used exactly?

[@TIGHTENmetal]

All are using a 4x12 traditional straight Rectifier cab.

[@zyxwfish]

G12-65

[@minturby5144]

The V30s are very mid heavy, more suited for rock and not metallica like here, the 75s are very harsh, aggressive, scooped sounding which is the usual metallica and the 65s are somewhere in between, still very beautiful

[@dominikpohli2381]

for odschppl metallica riede the lightning the g12-65 for and justice for all and black album the v30

[@ibexthadevil3533]

G12t-75 for me...the 65's sound too high end for me and the v30's sound dull to my ears

[@robvoyles]

None, Evm12l or mc-90 are the way to go. those all have no mids. sound solid state like.

[@sunnyallen6049]

Yes, 65's sound best in this clip. HOWEVER: That doesn't translate into a mix. So many metal bands I see cut so much of the mids out, it feels great under the fingers and they feel like they are crushing bones, but it sounds like poo for the audience.

[@thechannelforeverything2170]

65's are great in the mix. Some of the most classic speakers there are.

[@OperationEndGame]

Ugh.. nauseating….