Ive heard you say the ++ mod sounds cooler on the Simuls? Do you still think that?

Great comparison! I love them all, my IIb most of all 😉🎸⚡️🎶

1. MLT 2. Mark III 3. Recto

The red stripe actually has a decent R2 crunch

Where did you get rhe 2021 speakers from? Out of a cab or did you just buy the speaker?

Tremoverb… has ALL THE BAWLS 👏🏽

Pretty much my amp ('85 No-Stripe III+ with a few additional Mike B. mods, wood & wicker) with a substantial increase in output power. Oh, the humanity :)

Must be something odd with my sounds, I can hardly hade the presence on 1 while riffing. I just find it to sound like bees on top of my tone.

love it Jeremy. i think so much of the sykes magic on that album and the first blue murder is in the mic set up.

Here, I prefer "all amp" and didn't like either of the boost pedal tones. (I currently own a very early No-Stripe, with the Mike B. "+" mod & etc.) One of the reasons I've always owned Mesa amps and preamps - albeit not a Recto - is the fact that I don't ever have to use a boost pedal, the use of which always seemed to me to be the sonic equivalent of adding Coffee-Mate to a premium cup of coffee. BTW, thanks for all the great Mesa/Boogie content.

Tune it or intonate

Nice! \m/

1:22 straight Slanted 3:40

5:48 Standard Traditional 3:28 4:40 2x12

Yes

Sounds great!!

The sound from Rev C sounds killer. Would it be possible to re-amp this beast via the Neural Amp Modeller (NAM) on red and orange?

It's pretty much dead on

Nice !!!!

Great tone bro !

I have 5 of mark series amps, Green stripe, Red stripe, Blue Stripe and a a IIC+.. if they were vastly different they wouldn't have just swiped each version with just a magic marker swipe or a black dot or a + sign. The big difference in the IIC+ and the Mark III was the third channel. Mesa got noticeably different with the Mesa badging vs the Boogie badges. The Rectifier series,The lone star, Road King,Nomad, etc came later and did sound different... The stiletto was probably the most different being EL34 based shooting toward the Marshall tone. Even my newer Mark 5 EL84 based amp sits in my studio with the older mark III'S and IIC+ it too sounds really close even all these years later with totally different power section/ tubes. The petrucci amp is a modern Mark amp and you can line up all the Mark series amps and NO one in the audience would ever know the difference and most guitar players blind folded couldn't pick them out one from the other especially with the transparent EVM 12L black shadow speaker or an MC-90 black shadow. The IIC+ landed production in the right time to become the flagship vintage boogie. Thats when 80's music was huge and that amp was produced at the right time for the players who made it famous. it didn't make them famous. I would argue a Mark III purple, red, blue or green stripe Mark III could have been used by the players who made the IIC+ famous and those albums and concerts wouldn't have sounded any different. They just weren't available at the time those bands recorded those albums. They stopped the IIC+ when the mark III came into production. They stopped the III when the Mark IV started and so on....they are all great amps and tonally are the same. Most of those bands stopped playing the IIC+ and went to the mark III when it came out because the sound was basically the same but the 3 had a third channel, everyone loved that.

I have 5 of mark series amps, Green stripe, Red stripe, Blue Stripe and a a IIC+.. if they were vastly different they wouldn't have just swiped each version with just a magic marker swipe or a black dot or a + sign. The big difference in the IIC+ and the Mark III was the third channel. Mesa got noticeably different with the Mesa badging vs the Boogie badges. The Rectifier series,The lone star, Road King,Nomad, etc came later and did sound different... The stiletto was probably the most different being EL34 based shooting toward the Marshall tone. Even my newer Mark 5 EL84 based amp sits in my studio with the older mark III'S and IIC+ it too sounds really close even all these years later with totally different power section/ tubes. The petrucci amp is a modern Mark amp and you can line up all the Mark series amps and NO one in the audience would ever know the difference and most guitar players blind folded couldn't pick them out one from the other especially with the transparent EVM 12L black shadow speaker or an MC-90 black shadow. The IIC+ landed production in the right time to become the flagship vintage boogie. Thats when 80's music was huge and that amp was produced at the right time for the players who made it famous. it didn't make them famous. I would argue a Mark III purple, red, blue or green stripe Mark III could have been used by the players who made the IIC+ famous and those albums and concerts wouldn't have sounded any different. They just weren't available at the time those bands recorded those albums. They stopped the IIC+ when the mark III came into production. They stopped the III when the Mark IV started and so on....they are all great amps and tonally are the same. Most of those bands stopped playing the IIC+ and went to the mark III when it came out because the sound was basically the same but the 3 had a third channel, everyone loved that.

I love the vintage channel on my MW DR, it's a really an awesome amp all together.

You know something, I own some pretty rad amps, Mesa, EVH, ENGL. I played a few them back to back the other day and I thought to myself “I really don’t need all these amps”. They’re all going for the same sound in different ways. They all have their own character but in a recording setting you can most likely make them all sound the same. Mesas Marks are probably the most unique, they have a very nice palm mute and clarity.

If you aren't running a 1/3 octave (31 band) graphic EQ in your Mark II or III's effects loop and tweaking every slider in the effective audible frequency range, you are NOT getting all the tone out of your Mark that you possibly could. Do it. You'll be shocked at the results you can achieve.

does the kahler feel closer to a hard tail than a floyd rose ?

original tone smokes! send it back.

The compact 2x12 was my first mesa cab. Wow. Hated it.

IIB+ is my preference

II A is also good and more rare!

Awesome video! What do you like about going in March? Any pros and cons? I'd like to make my first trip next year and any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

That was great, Thanks!

They are all insane guitars and sound amazing but the KH is way more balanced and has this low end sound. I think that it'll cut a mix way better. The JL and JH share too much treble for my taste but it could be fixed / adjusted with EQ.

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I actually prefer the IV here.

do you know if the MC90's in it have the 1777 cone ?

I think the III sounds the worst of the four amps and I think it is a pretty wide gap to my ears. I like the 2c++ and the IVb the best. I cant tell which I prefer. I was leaning towards the IV at the beginning of the video but as it went on, I warmed up to the 2C++. I am a 5150iii guy so I guess I like the IV because it sounds the closest to my preferred amp.

Mark IV for the win!

"To Me", IVb sounds closest to IIC+. Thank You dfor this. Had never heard a comparison like this before. Very informative 🤗. Best Regards and Best Wishes!

well not in a mix duh wtf.

The b and c sound most similar. The c is more aggressive sounding while the b is smoother. I liked the b most surprisingly

They all sound good. I recently got my hands on a 1985 mark iii no stripe. Very early serial # 15262. I'm loving this amp. Once you dial it in, the amp can do anything. Rock on !!!

Would like to hear it compared to IV-A which is one I have

man ............ I love them all !!!

They are a *little* different in this video. They each have a slightly different midrange. The IIB+ is a little "deeper" sounding. The IIC++ is sharper and more aggressive. The III Green Stripe is a little smoother and darker. The IVb is very close to the IIC++ maybe even slightly sharper sounding with a tiny bit more "scoop," but it's very close. Overall I'm surprised how close they all are. If you're looking for a IIC+ just buy a Mark IVb for a third of the price. Cool video!

With both in sounds nice, well done comparison vid

These amps should be demoed in a different way, 99% of people dial them in heavy and chugging....they are so much more than just that sound, i can get Neal schon from journeys tone, Mathias jabs from the scorpions, Eric Johnson's tone, pretty close, very smooth melodic soulful sounds, it's a shame no one plays them that way. Listen to Petrucci live in the 90's, he played them that way and they are wonderful.

I have 5 of mark series amps, Green stripe, Red stripe, Blue Stripe and a a IIC+.. if they were vastly different they wouldn't have just swiped each version with just a magic marker swipe or a black dot or a + sign. The big difference in the IIC+ and the Mark III was the third channel. Mesa got noticeably different with the Mesa badging vs the Boogie badges. The Rectifier series,The lone star, Road King,Nomad, etc came later and did sound different... The stiletto was probably the most different being EL34 based shooting toward the Marshall tone. Even my newer Mark 5 EL84 based amp sits in my studio with the older mark III'S and IIC+ it too sounds really close even all these years later with totally different power section/ tubes. The petrucci amp is a modern Mark amp and you can line up all the Mark series amps and NO one in the audience would ever know the difference and most guitar players blind folded couldn't pick them out one from the other especially with the transparent EVM 12L black shadow speaker or an MC-90 black shadow. The IIC+ landed production in the right time to become the flagship vintage boogie. Thats when 80's music was huge and that amp was produced at the right time for the players who made it famous. it didn't make them famous. I would argue a Mark III purple, red, blue or green stripe Mark III could have been used by the players who made the IIC+ famous and those albums and concerts wouldn't have sounded any different. They just weren't available at the time those bands recorded those albums. They stopped the IIC+ when the mark III came into production. They stopped the III when the Mark IV started and so on....they are all great amps and tonally are the same. Most of those bands stopped playing the IIC+ and went to the mark III when it came out because the sound was basically the same but the 3 had a third channel, everyone loved that.

Never really loved the red-modern channel on the 2-channel rectos. Always prefered orange-set-to-modern for heavy stuff. Waaay more precise sounding imho.

GT-75's win here sounds like a hulking monster.