Met Opera Stars Record on Wax Cylinder Equipment

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Metropolitan Opera

Metropolitan Opera

6 жыл бұрын

Metropolitan Opera singers Piotr Beczala and Susanna Phillips, accompanied by Gerald Martin Moore, record arias on wax cylinder equipment that was used in the early days of recording around 1909. On location at the NYPL Sound Archives at Lincoln Center.
Piotr Beczala sings an excerpt from "Quando le sere al placido" from Verdi's Luisa Miller, and Susanna Phillips sings an excerpt from "Per Pieta" from Mozart's Così fan tutte.
Equipment courtesy of Thomas Edison National Historical Park, West Orange, NJ; Jerry Fabris, Museum Curator.
Video shot and edited by Douglas G. Davis.

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@leroyjones6958
@leroyjones6958 2 жыл бұрын
This is especially meaningful to me, because I am the one who hand made those brown wax recording blanks used in this demonstration. I am very honored to have participated from behind the scenes.
@EdoFrenkel
@EdoFrenkel Ай бұрын
Spectacular work ! I would love to learn more about this and discuss how this technology can continue to be applied to contemporary classical music. May I write to you?
@NoMoreParades
@NoMoreParades 6 жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I heard (the other) Gerald Moore (1899-1987) talking about his early career accompanying artists such as Peter Dawson during pre-electric recordings. He said that in order to be clearly heard , his piano had to be stripped down and modified so that it sounded “like a giant banjo”. If my memory serves me, he also mentioned the hard, wooden, reflective surfaces of the studio.
@norbertagoston9320
@norbertagoston9320 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact!
@dannichols2929
@dannichols2929 3 жыл бұрын
The recording phonograph looks to be an Edison "Triumph"; the playback phonograph looks like an Edison "Fireside". Before the molding process of duplication, a singer sang into 4 or 5 closely-placed phonographs; hence 4 copies were made, and a popular selection was repeated, perchance, many times. Four phonographs times 10 takes, thus yielded 40 copies. . . . . . And I must say, Piotr, your performance with Sondra was PHENOMENAL!!
@sgnmath1234
@sgnmath1234 Жыл бұрын
Now I can finally see how Caruso was greater than them all. The sound that came from his voice from this technology 100+ years ago was so much better sounding than Beczala's voice recorded from a similar machine I've always wondered why we compare today's technology to that of years ago. Finally, we we put our singers of today back in time .
@williamoliver8508
@williamoliver8508 2 жыл бұрын
Caruso like this ❤️
@olly5764
@olly5764 4 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed how, from the male singer's comment, they could clearly see what effect different tones and volumes had had on the cylinder. I wonder if it had any effect on how they approach their singing?
@dannichols2929
@dannichols2929 3 жыл бұрын
Singing for an acoustic phonograph was best with a modified technique, as opposed to singing on stage, for the audience.
@mountainkimmie
@mountainkimmie 3 жыл бұрын
It caught and clearly reproduced Susanna's trill on the last word!
@tinovanderzwanphonocave544
@tinovanderzwanphonocave544 Жыл бұрын
in my many endeavors in wax cylinder recording, I found that the split double horn technique works best if you have a small horn on a rubber pipe (speaking tube with a small brass horn) with a handle that the artist can use to sing in and a big horn connected to the same recorder via a Y split recording the piano or orchestra behind the singer, the singer will always sound loud yet the piano or orchestra sound equally loud though a little bit lower in volume with a single horn recording the accompaniment will always be obscured somewhat by the person in front of the horn making it sound far away in the post-1903 recordings they definitely used the split horn system as a standard and they would use 2 3 5 horns until electrical recording came in 1923 first and as a standard in 1925.
@Homoclassicus
@Homoclassicus 6 жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating experiment! I had wondered why opera stars don't try it and let us have a better notion of how and how much the operatic voices were changed when they were recorded by this incipient recording technology. I know Birgit Nilsson made such an experiment - and the result was quite surprising IMO, though you could still definitely tell that voice was Nilsson's. With Beczala I feel it's the same thing: a lot is definitely lost, but the "core" sound is preserved. It's nice to see contemporary singers trying it, too.
@downfromkentuckeh
@downfromkentuckeh 6 жыл бұрын
Homoclassicus tbh, I think it would be awesome or at least interesting to record an entire album with this method!
@Homoclassicus
@Homoclassicus 6 жыл бұрын
I agree! I'd like to hear some of the greatest voices of our days, like Garanca, Harteros and Kaufmann, in this technology and then compare with the recordings of the great divas of the early 1900s.
@doGreatartistsgrowontrees
@doGreatartistsgrowontrees 6 жыл бұрын
Homoclassicus I have also wondered for a long time why this wasn't done at all. Beczala sounds like the golden age through the medium.
@Homoclassicus
@Homoclassicus 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, one of my biggest doubts about it all is whether in fact this primitive technology made people sound much worse than they were or, even if unwillingly, its limitations ended up making us more "forgiving" of their sound and also didn't capture all the subtler imperfections and flaws of the singing that are now even excessively amplified by the recording mikes of our days (they record so close that we even hear the breath of singers!), giving us this "golden age" sound. I'd like to hear more of that to have a firmer opinion on this point. ;-)
@doGreatartistsgrowontrees
@doGreatartistsgrowontrees 6 жыл бұрын
Homoclassicus Very good point. I do think the medium definitely affected the capturing dynamics and overtones and probably hid many "flaws". It is why it is said that microphones don't lie. About the Nilsson recording, I haven't heard it but no one is said to have been happy with the results, not leadt the soprano herself.
@operaanimelover369
@operaanimelover369 6 жыл бұрын
What a thrilling experiment this is! :D
@ilglobomagic6
@ilglobomagic6 3 жыл бұрын
So amazing!!! Thank You
@suzannederringer1607
@suzannederringer1607 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. They both sound more 'smooth' and similar in tone to the old recordings as I remember them (it's been a while since I was really i to early recorded singing)..Susanna - I'm guessing - was exaggerating her dynamic contrasts to see what would register on the wax. I'd like to hear more singers try this! It's a more organic sound than you get with digital recording, for sure.
@anitchlikadze3451
@anitchlikadze3451 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful✨
@user-mf3td9iw6f
@user-mf3td9iw6f 3 жыл бұрын
Пётр, как всегда, вы на высоте! Ждём вас в Москве.
@goofyahhslimjackson1942
@goofyahhslimjackson1942 2 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful the Fidelity is fantastic exactly like an accounting disc! ( I've never heard a brown wax in person yet this is a great impression!) This is the only time I have ever heard original Edison tech work and sound pleasant! Other online demos fail somehow yet this was flawless besides the flutter which was a small issue. Thank you for preserving history this is a great interest to me!
@marchesano
@marchesano 6 жыл бұрын
I remember a story of them doing this with Birgit Nilsson and maybe two others in the late 70s or early 80s. People couldn't identify the singer!
@illuminateconfirmed989
@illuminateconfirmed989 3 жыл бұрын
Livin like it’s 1899
@shoelaced
@shoelaced 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if there'd be some way to compare the wax sound with the modern-recorded sound and feed it to a computer to remaster the old wax recordings...
@dcallum2813
@dcallum2813 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a collection of wax & digital pairs could be used to train AI to better restore the sound from vintage wax cyninders
@TechnoJon96
@TechnoJon96 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@JorgeClar
@JorgeClar Жыл бұрын
Glorious!!!!!
@jimdrake3436
@jimdrake3436 5 жыл бұрын
Although interesting, attempts to have contemporary singers recorded acoustically on Edison cylinders is not the same as having them recorded on acoustical disc equipment. A better way to hear what was lost to the acoustical process is to listen to the acoustical and electrical discs of Rosa Ponselle, Claudia Muzio, Toti Dal Monte, Feodor Chaliapin, Riccardo Stracciari, Giovanni Martinelli, Beniamino Gigli, Giacomo Lauri-Volpi and others who were in their primes when they recorded acoustically in the early-1920s and electrically after 1925.
@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016
@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016 4 жыл бұрын
Jim Drake I agree... those wax cylinders can’t be trusted.
@hooverboy2331
@hooverboy2331 Жыл бұрын
I bet when this technology was first demonstrated everybody in the room must have been absolutely gobsmacked ! !
@erzsebetbalogh1601
@erzsebetbalogh1601 6 жыл бұрын
Fantasztikus!!!!!
@orim298s
@orim298s 6 жыл бұрын
Should do more of these kind of recordings. Besides using the piano, include the Stroh Violin
@dannichols2929
@dannichols2929 3 жыл бұрын
Earliest recordings always used piano accompaniment for the singer. Though band records were also popular. With band numbers, a whole bay of up to a dozen recording phonographs were used.
@musicurio
@musicurio 5 жыл бұрын
A very interesting session - well adjusted machines, and first rate musicians. May I ask if the blanks were shaved originals or were they new ones?
@josiahcole3186
@josiahcole3186 2 жыл бұрын
They’re all about preservation they wouldn’t shave originals, im sure ive heard them say that there’s a guy that knows the formula and makes them and supplies them
@craigester1449
@craigester1449 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if doing this enough times would allow an AI to be trained to reverse the fidelity loss of early recordings and thus make them sound like new.
@nolango6160
@nolango6160 6 жыл бұрын
Whatever is being used to record this video, please use it for the HD broadcast! The current HD sound technology takes away so much qualities and texture of the voices away and everyone sounds like the same. There is no colour, no "thickness", no texture of the voices at all with the HD audio recording.That is not what we hear at the house live. I hope it can be corrected.
@yigeli144
@yigeli144 6 жыл бұрын
You see, it’s just a piano and a solo standing singer here. If you’ve ever tried, you would understand, it’s much harder to record an opera, with orchestra spanning a larger space and multiple singers singing together and moving around. That’s to say, MET HD can do better, though using whatever used for the video is not a solution at all.
@anitchlikadze3451
@anitchlikadze3451 6 жыл бұрын
Wow
@ribidishi512
@ribidishi512 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! What aria is the soprano singing?
@1968KWT
@1968KWT 6 жыл бұрын
Ricardo Guerrero The conclusion to Fiordiligi’s aria “Per pietà” (“A chi mai mancò di fede”) from “Così fan tutte”
@terrycreagh4103
@terrycreagh4103 6 жыл бұрын
Good to hear Piotr!
@NotStonez
@NotStonez 4 жыл бұрын
sounds better than on android microphones
@rummzeiss
@rummzeiss Жыл бұрын
🤓📱🍏
@classicalduck
@classicalduck 6 жыл бұрын
I like the accompanist's name. Hint: hide his middle name, and you'll see what I mean.
@kennethdower7425
@kennethdower7425 6 жыл бұрын
I was thinking: damn, he plays really well for a dead guy!
@rattusyu5905
@rattusyu5905 5 жыл бұрын
I thought I was listening to the Placido!
@TechnoJon96
@TechnoJon96 3 жыл бұрын
so...the only thing we like about the old-school singers is the low fidelity?
@josiahcole3186
@josiahcole3186 2 жыл бұрын
He seems a bit full of himself doesnt he but that was a beautiful recording
@SuperDenisGl
@SuperDenisGl 6 жыл бұрын
Blue ray :-))))))
@terrietackett8964
@terrietackett8964 6 жыл бұрын
Piotr....Be still my beating heart!!💕💕
@elijah24567
@elijah24567 6 жыл бұрын
magnificent. i thought for a second that it was maria callas in the recording of the female 2:48
@DaDooshinator
@DaDooshinator 4 жыл бұрын
01:40 Piotr trying to blame the recording equipment for his increasingly labored and wobbly singing. Nice! No, P. That's what you get when you distend the jaw and support wrong.
@CarlosGomes-wi2ti
@CarlosGomes-wi2ti 4 жыл бұрын
You didn't say too much but all that you said was bullshit!!!!
@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016
@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016 4 жыл бұрын
Wobble???? Where??? Please turn on your hearing aids sir!
@lucabernard489
@lucabernard489 3 жыл бұрын
Luiz Antonio Caldeira Falci it‘s a small wobble, but still a wobble
@sananton2821
@sananton2821 5 ай бұрын
Everything he sings has a blatant wobble. This is objective fact. Vibrato speed is measurable. Compare his to that of, say....Caruso, Wunderlich, Björling, Lemeshev, Elwes, Villabella, Jobin, Corelli... @@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016
@BobMadickman
@BobMadickman 4 ай бұрын
My gosh that tenors old school handsome! 😍
@contraltissima
@contraltissima 4 жыл бұрын
hahaha, both wobbling like masters and no equalized register changes.
@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016
@luizantoniocaldeirafalci5016 4 жыл бұрын
contraltissima wobble??? Where?? On the wax you mean?
@sananton2821
@sananton2821 3 жыл бұрын
The perfect demonstration that todays singers suck in any recorded medium.
@daamazinfatb0y752
@daamazinfatb0y752 4 жыл бұрын
Now record some hip-hop music snd see how it sounds.
@theoperatripleaxel5417
@theoperatripleaxel5417 3 жыл бұрын
The gurl sounded like the last castrato ahhahaha Moreschi...
@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657
@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657 2 жыл бұрын
Nop
@yogajedi3337
@yogajedi3337 4 жыл бұрын
Stars? You must be kidding. 31K + 3K on FB. My karaoke auntie not far behind.
@enricocaricatuscuroso763
@enricocaricatuscuroso763 4 жыл бұрын
Lollll he sounds nothing like Caruso. Just compare the difference and you hear how less smooth and open and colorful and stuck the voice is. It doesn’t flow
@downfromkentuckeh
@downfromkentuckeh 4 жыл бұрын
Nah
@andress4780
@andress4780 3 жыл бұрын
yeah and his vibrato is really wobbly
@_mephisto_pheles_
@_mephisto_pheles_ 2 жыл бұрын
they are both terrible although he's better. she's a total mess. wax cylinders expose them. there is no mercy.
@downfromkentuckeh
@downfromkentuckeh Жыл бұрын
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