Metabo's New Triple Hammer Is Their Best Yet!!!!

[@iloveknives75]

HPT are my favorite tools. I’m in a bunch of lines but mostly use my m12 and HPT. My only issue with HPT is the dumb and confusing naming convention. Rather than just leaving it Hikoki, they made it confusing. everytime I try to talk about HPT I have to go into a whole story about Metabo, Metabo HPT, Hikoki and hitachi, lol

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors when going with Metabo HPT. They had two brands and instead of unifying under a single brand, they went with two brands still???

[@ericdirks5950]

I agree. I've got every line of tools... they're becoming my go to.

[@PhillyFixed]

I was surprised how many tests the old triple hammer won. Great vid!

[@TinkerWithTools]

I agree Jim! And thank you!

[@is5032]

I’ve had my WH18Dc for a month now and I love it. It feels as if the grip is made for my hands (smaller than average!). The balance too is like nothing I’ve ever used before either. A hugely underrated brand in my opinion.

[@snakesonn]

is your noodle smaller than average too??

[@is5032]

@@snakesonn ha ha. No complaints from yo Mamma so far.

[@snakesonn]

@@is5032 good to hear. Please let me know if anything changes

[@TinkerWithTools]

Glad to hear you like it! It's a great tool IMO.

[@ST-0311]

Love me some Metabo. Very underrated high value tools that don't get much attention. I have the WH18DDX 18V impact, which is great for small routine jobs. It's very light and compact. For heavy duty jobs I have the WH18DBDL2 Triple Hammer. That beast don't play around, it gets the job done!

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yeah I love the Triple hammer you mention. For me the bolts just take on that and refine it a little more.

[@DullMoments_edc]

Great video! I have all of these except the new 18 v bolt, been wanting to get it. Now I’m going to have to pull the trigger

[@TinkerWithTools]

It’s nice and for the price seems like and easy decision.

[@ceeweedsl]

The multi-mode stuff drives me crazy. I need a cheat sheet on the tool. Just busted off a 4x14 screw head set into a that is super critical. Deep counter-sunk and precision pre-drilled but one speed wouldn't drive and next speed blew it out. I dunno. It's powerful but...

[@TinkerWithTools]

I’ve never had that experience but there are times where I do decrease the mode to help provide a more controlled drive. That said though, I don’t think the modes on Metabo HPT/hikokis impacts are the easiest to use or understand.

[@ceeweedsl]

@@TinkerWithTools Yes. I also run M12 and they have 2 speeds which I can manage. With the 4 on the HPT I lose track. Then Boom! that snapped head on a 14 screw and I realize it was too much torque. I mean, that's why I want the HPT sometimes but... anyway, I doubt I'll ever make that mistake again. It is a critical fastener in important furniture and there's no going back. Should have used the Milwaukee...

[@lawdog516]

Looks like a great value, Lowes has it also for $129 but the model number has an “M”. (WH18DCM) at the end, do you know what the “M” designates? Great review, thanks

[@user-ii8dz4vu7n]

I got one of these today and honestly that case is AMAZING. 9/10 when I get a case I just toss it as it's usually too big and doesn't really have space for the other tools I carry with my tool. This one genuinely made me say "Oh I'm keeping this..." out loud.

[@TinkerWithTools]

@@user-ii8dz4vu7n I agree. Most of the time you are just getting a stock bag and this actually has some helpful storage.

[@robertkovacic4623]

Very interesting... but the question for me is if Metabo (not HPT) will also release a similar version, because I use the CAS system for batteries. Because for the 1/2" drive I already have the legendary Metabo SSW 18 LTX BL SE (special black edition), but for the 1/4" hex drive I still have the old Metabo SSW 14,4LT...really an old machine...but still it works without a problem... it will be interesting if Metabo offers something in this segment as well.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I haven’t see a lot of crossover between Metabo HPT (Hikoki globally) and the German Metabo. Because of that I don’t think it’s that likely based on history up to this point.

[@engineer_alv]

Excellent side to side comparison. The old triple hammer still got it and I didn't realize how close it is in performance to the newer tools. It looks like unless you want the better placed controls and triple LEDs there's no need to upgrade . Also I noticed there's a new WH18DFX available for around $99 with battery and charger but it's a brushed tool. Quite strange nowadays for a pro brand if you ask me but I haven't seen it tested anywhere.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I just looked up at that model and nothing about its spec shout professional. It’s hard to believe they would sell just give. That there other impacts are relatively inexpensive.

[@histguy101]

All the brands still make a low cost brushed model

[@engineer_alv]

@@histguy101 agreed, it's just weird they introduced it less than a year ago. Most pro brands' brushed offerings are several years old

[@mattgrover3096]

Got the og 36v . Not upgrading any time soon. Perfectly happy

[@joaquinchan9936]

just found out that they are releasing an updated version of this with new bigger led coverage and more modes. I just found out an interesting bit in regards to the lack of quick collet on Hikoki power tools and it's all because Makita holds the patent for that possibly in Japan and in some shape or form outside of Japan. Probably the same reason why Bosch does not have one either.

[@TinkerWithTools]

What’s your source on a new model? I would be interested in checking it out. As for the collet, I hadn’t thought of that.

[@gobeavs82]

Thank you for the comparison, great information. For all of the timed tests did you make note of which mode the new 18V triple hammer was set to? If you did can you please share that information. For the 18V have you done any comparisons running an 18V battery verses a multivolt battery? If you have what were your thoughts or the results?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I ran each of the impacts on multivolt batteries. I have run the 18v triple hammer on the smaller batteries but not in any timed tests. And then where applicable the impacts were in Power Mode.

[@stevew3978]

The older triple hammer model only has four modes, but the WH18DC has five modes because it distinguishes between "bolt" mode and "single bolt" mode. It's still unclear how the "bolt" mode differs from the "single bolt" mode on the newest WH18DC.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I've made a note to try and answer that in a future short. I'll reply again on this comment if I do.

[@dilldowschwagginz2674]

As a general contractor i use a 1/4" impact literally every day of my life. Like many of you who read this comment, I have at least a few models from every decent manufacturer you could possibly name. That said, i kind of settled in on the triple hammer a few years ago due to its phenomenal accurate speed control, compact size and the ability to do just about anything i need it to very well. So of course i grabbed a Bolt when they hit the local market and i have to say that it's extremely impressive.... It's smaller than the already very compact OG triple hammer and it faster and stronger. Just a beast of a little impact. And the hard case it came in is top notch

[@DiligentDave1966]

I’ve heard that the Metabo forward/reverse selectors are kinda loose. What do you think about that?

[@TinkerWithTools]

For me the Metabo is a 90% tool. 90% of the tool I love, I just have a few things that I don’t love. The collet isn’t quick insert. On the original the side control panel was annoying to me since it hides behind the belt clip if it’s installed and it isn’t at all intuitive. And lastly the fwd/rev selector sticks out to far and yeah guess you could say it’s loose or even rattles around a little. Are they deal breakers to me? No but it just reiterates that no tool is perfect.

[@DiligentDave1966]

@@TinkerWithTools The argument can be made that a collet that isn’t quick insert has better bit retention.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I’ve never had issues with that. I find that spade bits are the ones where you run into issues and I don’t love running drill bits in am impact. So for me it’s a trade off that I am willing to risk. I don’t fault people for going a different way.

[@DiligentDave1966]

@@TinkerWithTools I agree with that, and I think that’s probably the one thing that might keep me from loving the Flex. Even the top Flex impact driver is not quick insert.

[@DiligentDave1966]

@@TinkerWithTools I also agree with you about using a spade bit in an impact driver. I don’t think they’re meant for drilling, period, but I believe it was a spade bit that caused the 887 to smoke in a few videos. Many people still swear that the 887 is one of the best impact drivers.

[@old-red]

The “old triple hammer” is brushless correct?

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yes it is.

[@old-red]

I just got the kit. I’m disappointed in the way the advertise these. The pics make it look like all multivolt accepts the ac adapter but as far as I know they only work for the 36v tools. It’s the only reason I could see moving up to the dedicated 36v. But nice vid. I’m very happy with Metabo hpt. Never been disappointed with a purchase

[@old-red]

@@TinkerWithTools also of note. My kit came with 3 ah batteries. Wonder if they’d make a difference outside of runtime. Doubtful

[@TinkerWithTools]

You are correct. Metabo HPT makes 18 and 36v tools. The 18v tools accept all Metabo HPT batteries. 36v tools only accept the multi-volt batteries. The AC Adapter only is for the 36v tools.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I think that the 3ah batteries will make a bit of difference. If you could do 100 screws on a 2ah, I would expect something closer to 150 on a 3ah (fictional example of course)

[@UncleIvan1]

might just be the audio , but the top two drills sound smoother

[@TinkerWithTools]

They are more refined in general.

[@tidebounce9149]

Great comparison. I have the 18v and 36V versions and both are great. I personally can't tell much of a difference between the two. Thanks for the review.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Glad you liked it.

[@chadhamilton88]

A lot of people don't understand it's made for small screws about 3 inches and lower it works badass then you got more control

[@TinkerWithTools]

While I think that is a good use case, Metabo HPT's product page will advertise use on longer fasteners as well and then on bolts up to 9/16th of an inch. There is definitely a point where you might be better served with an impact wrench depending on the application, but most modern impacts are capable of driving larger construction fasteners like ledgerloks and timberloks.

[@DiligentDave1966]

The new 18v is a little slower than the old one on smaller fasteners.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yeah. The testing as a whole had some inconsistencies but in the end it was faster. But each of the triple hammers won at least one test.

[@ryu-ken]

TTC needs to test one of these new ones! A problem with the triple hammer was that on super tight fasteners it was "skipping" causing it to lose a lot of torque

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yep. I would suggest this for smaller but still robust fasteners like timberloks. When you get to a big lag bolt for example it’s might be time for a bigger tool.

[@DiligentDave1966]

Looks like the 18v bolt is about 30 inch pounds more powerful than the newer Dewalt models.

[@TinkerWithTools]

It’s a negligible amount in my opinion.

[@jlousy1901]

Ive got the original triple hammer, and the two newer th 18 and 36. What needs to be said as well is that the newer ones are still IP56 rated in all weather and as small as other subcompacts! The 36 is a lil off balance with the bigger mv batteries

[@TinkerWithTools]

You're right that I did forget to mention!

[@realJohnJohn]

I was relay considering one but dewalt Max XR is less

[@J.Wick.]

All of these are among the top in the category in my opinion. I have the same Black/Gold 36V JP version as you do, as well as the older 18V, and the older 18V "compact". They're all excellent. They have the best ergo, and warranty in the game IMO. As a righty, I still prefer the panel on the LH side like the old models. Once I got used to it, it makes perfect sense. It is different though.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I always use a belt clip on that side so it just feels poorly though out from that stand point. It clearly didn’t stop me from buying the tool though.

[@J.Wick.]

@@TinkerWithTools Hadn't thought of that as I rarely use the clips. But I can see how that would be an inconvenience for sure.

[@fancraft1266]

A video about the German dark green Metabo hammer drill and impact driver would be cool :)

[@TinkerWithTools]

They have been on my list for a while. Price and local availability have been the main deterrents at this point.

[@Leeroy2586]

Love me some Metabo HPT

[@TinkerWithTools]

Same!

[@Neo_Sauron]

By the way.. people have said this actually has less speed/torque than a standard 2 hammer design for larger fasteners (but not smaller/average size ones). Is that true? Does the bolt have enough power to drive in large lag bolts without slowing down?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I have nothing concrete to show this, but in my testing the triple hammer does well up until about 5" and then it will start losing out to other impacts in terms of speed. It can still do the job but you sometimes get strange performance. But I love it on small to medium fasteners.

[@milleradam98]

Awesome video, did you see metabo HPT has a new 36 volt brushless hammer drill out? Model #DV36DC. It looks very cool, claiming 1400 inch pounds of torque 2200rpm and 33000ipm. Also slimmed down and now comes with RFC. I only see it at Ohio power tools and Amazon, no other retailer I know of has it. I would love to see it tested though!

[@TinkerWithTools]

I’m seeing that now. I don’t know if I am ready to grab it right now but if I do you will see a video about it for sure.

[@milleradam98]

@@TinkerWithTools that would be awesome can't wait to see it tested, there's not very many good tool test channels left I appreciate what you do. I've gotten more than a few tools on your recommendation and didn't regret it.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Glad it has been helpful. I want to review every tool but it's hard to balance spending with budget when the release a bunch of tools in quick succession.

[@milleradam98]

@@TinkerWithTools I get it. I hide my new stuff from my wife 🤷🤷🤷

[@milleradam98]

​@@TinkerWithToolsI just seen ACME tools carries it, they must have just added it to the inventory not long ago they didn't have it before. There's a coupon code on there for 10% off, knocks 30 bucks off. Figured I'd let you know if that entices you, myself I'm trying to figure out if I'm trying to talk myself out of it or talk myself into it😅

[@MRSketch09]

Is Metabo the only mfg on the market that makes "Triple Hammer" cordless drivers? Just curious if you know? B/c its the first time I've specifically heard that language used. Thanks for your time! (And doing this vid)

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yes it’s he only company that is using it that I am aware of. I think that it has its strengths and weaknesses but after seeing a number of people rave about it online I wanted to try it and I have not been disappointed by it.

[@HeroOfTime303]

From the results it seems that the biggest result differences are coming from the RPM differences between the old and new model. The older model worked better on small to structural screws while the newer Bolt model worked better with the thicker fasteners like the bolts and timberloks. So, if you are technically driving Spax and GRKs most of the time, then the older model would work faster if that's what you're working with....it really seems to do with the RPM difference. For example, the Makita impacts are rated at less torque rating than the old triple hammer but they can handle the thicker stuff better than the old triple hammer because they have 3600 RPM vs the old triple hammer having 2900 RPM. What do you think?

[@TinkerWithTools]

It's a combination of all three of the specs. RPM, Torque and IPM. Typically a tool that has one of those numbers lower than it's competition will start to see separation on certain tasks. Normally though I see the torque of a tool start to show through on a bigger fastener and not as much the RPM.

[@JimDoubleYa]

I really enjoy using my Triple Hammer Bolt! It really does feel smooth and refined. It does remind me of the Makita as well, but I will say that the Makita does feel just slightly more refined. Only slightly. I'd like to see them slim down the head a bit on the Triple Hammer.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I always say it's about 90% of the Makita, sometimes at a lesser price.

[@sinanates334]

I really like your videos, if you use more uniform wood like 4x6 instead layered osbs, ı think you get more accurate results

[@TinkerWithTools]

Each material is going to have it's trade-offs. 4x6 has a tendancy to split at times influencing the result, can have different density board to board. No material is perfect but maybe I need to have a test in the future to show the difference in the different testing mediums.

[@steveb611]

I enjoy your videos, I have the DCf 850. I'm liking the impact driver wh18dc would you say its recommended over the dcf850 dewalt. Wh36dc would you say is same as wh18dc

[@TinkerWithTools]

I really like both the 18v bolt and the 850. Of the Metabo impacts had a quick insert collet I would pick that without a second thought but because of that and my love for just how compact the 850 is, I think they are pretty even.

[@TinkerWithTools]

As for the difference between the 18v and 36v triple hammer, I don’t see real performance benefit from going to a higher voltage on impact drivers. The 18v performs just as well on similar batteries.

[@steveb611]

@@TinkerWithTools When you mean quick insert call it. Is it just the metabo you have to pull out? Put the bit in pull back out kind of thing instead of one-handed

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yes it doesn’t feature one handed insertion. It’s not the end for the world and honestly might be more personal preference for me than for others.

[@steveb611]

@@TinkerWithTools Thank you for replying back. I appreciate it. I think I'm going to pick up the wh-18dc I like how it's water resistant also metabo is definitely making some good tools

[@Neo_Sauron]

Trying to decide if the new 18v Triple Hammer is worth it. I can get the kit that comes with the 18v drill/driver and the basic 18v impact for $130. The new triple hammer is currently on sale for like $96 on Amazon for just the tool. Maybe I should just get the kit that comes with the drill/driver for $100. And buy the triple hammer separately. I would be spending about $70 more to do that, rather than just get the $130 kit that comes with the more basic impact. I think it might be worth it though. I like the LOOK of the TH, with the 3 LED's for one thing. And I like the lighter weight, smaller size, higher RPM, increased torque, and speed control. What do you think? Do you think it's worth the extra $70? Also what exactly is the "IP 56" sticker at the bottom for? Does that mean it's waterproof or something..?

[@TinkerWithTools]

Okay, trying to unpack each question so let me know if I miss one. The triple hammer is a nicer, more versatile impact driver. I really like it up to a certain size of fastener (5-6 inches and below really). It has better lighting, the different modes, etc. The impact in the 130 kit surprised me and if it's all you know, it's not a bad impact. The drill in that kit thought, I actually really like. If the money is something you can swing, it is the nice combo to get the drill and the triple hammer, but if you would rather not spend the money, the $130 kit isn't terrible. If I have learned anything about Metabo HPT, it's that once you have batteries and chargers, you can typically swing some deals and sales to deepen your commitment to the platform in a more price effective way than other brands. As for IP56. It's a rating system that rates tools on their protection against the ingress of water and dust. There are videos out there when you can see how this is tested but basically, some rain on it won't kill the tool. I have seen people dunk it in a bucket of water, but I would necessarily recommend that.

[@Neo_Sauron]

Thanks for your reply again. I feel like maybe I'm asking too many questions here (lol), so I just wanted to let you know I've reached a decision on what to buy. And it is all thanks to your videos. At first, I wanted the M18 compact drill kit. Then I got curious about the MHPT from your video and researched it. I soon learned that the value on the kits is simply unbeatable. It seems like Metabo HPT is just a SMALL step below the big 3 in quality/design/reliability and perhaps near equal in performance. So for the prices, none of the big 3 come anywhere close in terms of value. So. I have decided to get the drill driver kit (no impact, two 2.0Ah's, charger, bag) for $99 from CPO Outlet. Why there? I found a $10 off coupon to use, bringing the pre-tax total to $89 w/ free shipping. AND, I will also buy the Triple Hammer Bolt kit (two more 2.0Ah's, upgraded FAN charger, and hard case) for $179 from Lowe's. Best coupon I can find for Lowe's is $5 off (lol), bringing the pre-tax total to $174 (free ship). So all total, before taxes I'm in it for $263 before taxes. So around $280 total. But look at everything I will get. A very nice drill, possibly the BEST impact (for the money) on the market, FOUR 2.0Ah batteries, a basic charger, a FAN charger, tool bag, AND a hard plastic carrying case. Dewalt, Milwaukee, or Makita can't come anywhere near that in terms of value. People are sleeping on Metabo HPT/Hitachi. Let them sleep. The smart people will get the best deal from team green because of their blind addiction to mustard and ketchup. And... whatever food is teal in color.

[@TinkerWithTools]

No worries about the questions. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss any. The one piece of advice I’ll give is to eventually get yourself some of the multivolt batteries. You can score them for cheap and they really make the drill and impact run better. Great for tougher jobs.

[@HeroOfTime303]

Which one of these impact drivers do you just prefer to use (putting stats and numbers to the side)?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I prefer the bolt models to the older model... and they really are all basically the same impact driver. So in preference it feels all the same. I like the looks of the Japanese model the most, but that is just preference at the end of the day. The use is still going to be generally the same.

[@konadayz426]

Let's not forget the triple hammer bolt is IP56 waterproof.

[@GregBrecker]

I like it! It really just work nice, for the lower price. Like you said a kind of budget Makita.

[@TinkerWithTools]

Exactly!

[@andrewcavanagh7152]

Apparently the triple hammer feature warps screws and doesn’t actually perform better. There’s a video that shows the hammer skipping inside the case and not really improving the driving. Just google triple hammer problems and there should be a video showing this issue.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I've seen the video. The reasons why I like Triple Hammer don't necessarily have to do with the fact that it has a different hammering mechanism but more than it's a nice impact driver to use. I do find that I like using most with small to medium length fasterners and not a large lag. But more it's has a smooth operation compared to some other impact drivers. It won't be for everyone but I think it has a surprising large number of users that swear by it.

[@HeroOfTime303]

​@@TinkerWithToolsAgreed, the trigger alone feels completely different to a DeWalt or kobalt or skil to me. The Metabo HPT Trigger is so smooth and effortless.

[@tanibroshka9029]

So when is hikoki bringing a new beast to smoke the milwaukee and Flex?

[@TinkerWithTools]

I honestly don't think they will come up with something to try and top those. Doesn't seem to be their focus.

[@Therealphantomzero]

Just doing my rounds giving Metabo HPT the Views it needs lol

[@TinkerWithTools]

Way to be a supporter!

[@the_patriot7]

Metabo is a German company ???

[@TinkerWithTools]

Metabo HPT is a Japanese company previously known as hitachi and also known as Hikoki in territories other than North America. Metabo without the HPT is a German company that is owned by the same parent holding company as Metabo HPT/hikoki.

[@the_patriot7]

@TinkerWithTools so why they do all of this headache ??? it's better to have only one name like Milwaukee all over the world and that's it !!! why they do this ???

[@TinkerWithTools]

I thought it was a bad idea at the time that they did it. In my opinion, they should've just gone Hikoki for this brand everywhere instead of Metabo HPT/Hikoki but they thought Metabo being attached to the name would sell better I guess. Metabo the German company is still it's own company in that they don't share model numbers and such with these other tools or even feature sets, but there are things that I am starting to see the companies share at times. Their drill chucks appear to be the same on their higher end drills for example.

[@americafirst6016]

Makita is way too overpriced for what you get in comparison to other brands. Will always love makita but they are pricing themselves out of the market

[@TinkerWithTools]

Yeah Makita in the US market is certainly not gaining traction at the moment.

[@HeroOfTime303]

Haha a Nick Fuentes supporter here? How's Nick? I don't watch the news anymore. May God bless that gentleman.

[@jimiz1980820]

I LIKE HIKOKI MORE THAN METABO HAHA

[@riba2233]

IDK why bu to me all the triple hammers sound awful while impacting, like they are skipping a beat or striking irregularly. I think that there is no actual benefit to TH tech, they just wanted something different imho.

[@TinkerWithTools]

I don’t know if the triple hammer tech is the reason why so many people like the triple hammer. I think it’s a nice impact to use up to a certain point. It will handle timberloks and that type of fastener fine but when it gets to need to much of torque it can behave erraticly.

[@riba2233]

@@TinkerWithTools true true 👍🙂

[@ryu-ken]

TTC tested it and it loses a lot of torque because it does skip on tight fasteners

[@riba2233]

@@ryu-ken true yeah

[@andrewcavanagh7152]

Yeah it seems to be a design flaw. They’d probably rather keep the triple hammer marketing than actually fix the problem and make a better tool.

[@johnbethel9369]

👍💯⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐🏆

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks!

[@The_Big_G]

Nice comparison 👏

[@TinkerWithTools]

Thanks