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TIG VS MIG ON CAR BODYWORK - a simple guide on how to weld thin car bodywork - parweld

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Metal Shaper Tom

Metal Shaper Tom

Күн бұрын

This is just a simple video showing this differences between tig and mig as if it was used on car bodywork.
I don’t go in to great detail as this is just designed to give you a rough idea of what involved as if you wanted to try either process you then have a good idea on what to expect.
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@randyrigsby8907
@randyrigsby8907 Жыл бұрын
Welding new sheet metal to 50 year old sheet metal can be tricky. The air hose is a must to help against warping but also helps cool the metal and less likely to blow holes through. This guy knows what he’s doing.
@rusty911s2
@rusty911s2 Жыл бұрын
Tom, as a (sort of) pro body chap myself, yours is about the only channel I enjoy watching. No bull, no music, just straight to it by someone who really knows how to do the business. One comment on the whole MIG / TIG thing. I put my metal out bare, so there's absolutely nowhere to hide. I also charge by the hour, so my work has to be as close to invisible in bare metal as possible and very efficient. I settled on MIG as even with grinding it's fast, minimal distortion and looks really good. I tack every inch spending plenty of time making sure both metals are exactly level. Then infill the tacks to 1/2 in. After that I do full 1/2in runs, starting on top of one tack, running upto the next. Penetration is good and it's efficient. Quick grind to just above surrounding area, linish and move on. Good comment on not having corners on your repairs. I always think it's the most visual way of seeing if someone is doing quality repairs: if you see hard corners where there could have been a radius, you know it'll never be a top drawer job. Well done on your channel: excellent stuff!
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to write all that. That’s an interesting way you have developed them and I shell try it out of curiosity to see what it’s 👍 cheers for the nice comment. I’m hoping put enough information in the videos to help others wanting to learn. When I’m at work we get given set hours and have to make it as good as possible for the paint shop so I have to choose whatever method suits best at the time. Many thanks Tom 👍
@jacquespoirier9071
@jacquespoirier9071 Жыл бұрын
I do exactly the same thing with 2 small differences, the first one is that I cut my wire before every restart, this permits the elimination of the small bubble that forms at the end of the wire so I can set my heat a bit lower, second, before doing my final filling, I grind my tacks flush so the restart asks for less heat.
@danmarley2926
@danmarley2926 Жыл бұрын
Where are you located?
@rusty911s2
@rusty911s2 Жыл бұрын
@@danmarley2926 Me? Southeast of England.
@danmarley2926
@danmarley2926 Жыл бұрын
@@rusty911s2 Oh okay. That's great to hear. I thought you were in the states. I needed work done and was going to ask you for help lol.
@saeed6811
@saeed6811 4 ай бұрын
Many people who do welding videos skip to show how to fuse weld. That was helpful. Now I know what machine I need.
@AndySomogyi
@AndySomogyi 7 ай бұрын
An issue with MIG welds is they are harder, hence more difficult to planish and more brittle. They are harder because MIG, even without rapid cooling cools faster than TIG. When you rapid cool it with air / water, you are directly quenching it, thus making the welds even harder and more brittle. Rapid cooling also tends to distort more because letting the weld cool more slowly allows the metal to relax slower into it's un-stressed shape better, whereas quenching rapidly cools it, locking it into a stressed state.
@Dr.Reason
@Dr.Reason 7 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the “real application” demo start to finish, side by side. It just couldn’t have been done any better for educational purposes. Well done.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom 7 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍
@FoundationElectronics
@FoundationElectronics Жыл бұрын
great video! MIG has a harder weld, where as TIG is a softer weld... I use MIG when I'm welding spot welds which are drilled out, an inconspicuous spot, floors, inner fenders, the structure part of a vehicle, or where a door or window seal is going to cover it, I use TIG to weld up a patch repair panel, so you can hammer/dolly the panel straight again, and less work dressing the welds...
@MrBobWareham
@MrBobWareham Жыл бұрын
Many years ago used to work in the aircraft industry and used TIG welding for aluminium panels, and it was the most controllable weld, so I would use TIG weld on your steel, and I would clamp a copper strip on the back when welding to take the heat away. Bob in the UK
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks bob 👍
@SidFlavored
@SidFlavored 4 ай бұрын
Idk how you control aluminium. It’s quite a frustrating metal for me to work with personally.
@jparker785
@jparker785 Жыл бұрын
I am more of a gap guy! I do tell any helpers I have, that there's plenty who use little to no gap, and have great results. I only started TIG welding a few years ago, and mostly use it welding door edges back together. It's amazing being able to fuse parts together with a little heat! Really good comparison vid. ✌️
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@MrSticks9999
@MrSticks9999 Жыл бұрын
Yes, a little gaps makes the bead flatter.
@kawataufik5098
@kawataufik5098 Жыл бұрын
@@MrSticks9999you mean leave gap better?
@MrSticks9999
@MrSticks9999 Жыл бұрын
@@kawataufik5098 You need some gap for the puddle to sink rather than lay all on top.
@MrSticks9999
@MrSticks9999 Жыл бұрын
@@kawataufik5098 More gap more chance for the puddle to sink lower.
@laughingachilles
@laughingachilles 4 ай бұрын
The TIG side may have looked better with a little more material being introduced from a rod instead of just melting both sides together. Either way this is an incredible demonstration of the differences between these two types of welding. Thank you for taking the time to produce such a well made video.
@MickeyMishra
@MickeyMishra 7 ай бұрын
Amazing job showcasing the differences in a clear and concise easy digestible manner. And might I add, great work as well for showcasing on the fly. I always seem to forget the difference between the two.
@liseforget1687
@liseforget1687 Жыл бұрын
I like the demo of how to clean “dress”. Other channels seem to just show the welds on comparison. Great job.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@robertwere8712
@robertwere8712 Жыл бұрын
High quality video and sound, great demonstration, straight forward, no BS, and very professional presentation. Thanks. I learned a lot. Cheers from an Aussie.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks Aussie rob 👍
@JorgenLarsson
@JorgenLarsson Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison! I used to mig everything but nowadays it's mostly tig. When fusion welding thin sheet metal I like to clamp a copper bar on the back. This cools it a bit more and I can notice less "sugaring" on the back. I'm not that skilled so I know I'm putting more heat into it than I should .
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
That’s a great tip. Cheers. Jorgen 👍
@ralphwaters8905
@ralphwaters8905 Жыл бұрын
If your TIG machine has a pulse setting, this should in theory help you reduce your heat input and the resulting distortion, and also give you enough time between pulses to precisely place your series of overlapping spot welds. It would be nice to see how this approach would compare in your scenario. Using some .025" MIG wire as filler with the TIG torch would also be interesting. Thanks for the comparison.
@richardmcgovern4092
@richardmcgovern4092 7 ай бұрын
I wonder what his post flow setting was if any with the argon v air blast with the tig.......I know what you're saying about the pulse rate, I usually only consider it with aluminum sheet but you are quite right.
@smportis
@smportis 7 ай бұрын
Wait - did he reverse the front and back side for the demo? Confused.
@ralphwaters8905
@ralphwaters8905 7 ай бұрын
@@smportis - yes, I think so. He wanted to show penetration thru the joint. It might be better to weld from the back side anyway, since the over-penetration will take less grinding than the hot side.
@rogerturley
@rogerturley 8 күн бұрын
Nice video. I use both MIG and TIG but lean towards MIG. 7:16 I'd like to suggest skipping around the weld joint with your tacks. This would allow the heat to dissipate more and prevent heat warpage. Cheers from Liverpool!
@williamellis3961
@williamellis3961 Жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison between MIG and TIG welding sheet metal. I do like the results of the TIG process, although it appears to be a mor complicated process. Thank you.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 👍
@williamallen7836
@williamallen7836 9 ай бұрын
I don't see it as more complicated. Just a different process / skill set. Difficulty between mig & tig is about the same.
@leonlowenstadter9223
@leonlowenstadter9223 8 ай бұрын
Having learnt both, I'd say TIG simply requires quite a bit more practise. You'll have to coordinate both hands when working with filler material and I'd you have to movement the torch a bit more precise. But I won't say it's more complicated.
@KaylaJoyGunn
@KaylaJoyGunn Жыл бұрын
Well done, looks awesome! Never thought to use air to cool down. I don't know if it's excessive, but what I would do is on each tack, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, all the way down, then back to the beginning, and it allows me to keep moving quickly without any concentrated heat. Then a wet rag if it starts building up. I never had any warpage that way, but like you say, everybody has their methods. Also I only did Mig, would love to try Tig.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
If it gets you the results you want then there’s nothing wrong with what your doing.
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 Жыл бұрын
Bloody brilliant video. I’m in two minds now, thanks for that! I’ve done countless hours of grinding mic welds on panels. Thanks heaps for all your efforts, they are muchly appreciated! 🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀😎
@rustysparks8645
@rustysparks8645 Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison showing the results that can be achieved with both welding processes. 👍👍
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@giogio4833
@giogio4833 8 күн бұрын
Ive only ever used stick welder and done everything from steel bike frames to car panel repair...with a thin 1mm rod...but it takes forever. And tricky not to blow holes in it...time to get a mig!
@ThePollaxtroy
@ThePollaxtroy 5 ай бұрын
Air line to cool it down is a very good method. Thank you for sharing.
@aaronforren8820
@aaronforren8820 Жыл бұрын
Learned a lot,I have skills but it's the technic ,the approach.Retired hobby guy.Thanks
@eamonnbrown7536
@eamonnbrown7536 Ай бұрын
Great video, though I’ve never welded apart from a little bit of stick. Very calmly presented & without any loud blaring ridiculous music or background rubbish.. I’ll be happy to continue watching your videos..!
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom 27 күн бұрын
Thanks 👍
@MightAsWellK5
@MightAsWellK5 8 ай бұрын
Nice work Brian. Your diagnosis on the filler rod was spot on. A thick filler rod cools the puddle more as it flows in… so a thinner rod helps in those situations
@0GfaLc0nOfficial
@0GfaLc0nOfficial Жыл бұрын
To prevent any warping or over heating I like to alternate from one end of panel to the other after about 10-15welds...Great video buddy very cool nice clean welds w/both mig&tig! It's inspiring me to get back at it maybe make a couple videos of my own!
@oldskool235
@oldskool235 Жыл бұрын
this is what I was thinking when I was watching this video as well. @7:14 I was like NO., go to the other side, let that area cool down more. other than that, pretty much spot on.
@paulbriozzo4895
@paulbriozzo4895 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, excellent use of comparison between two welding methodologies. The elephant in the room for me is the fabrication of the small replacement piece, I guess that's a video for another day.
@jacquespoirier9071
@jacquespoirier9071 Жыл бұрын
If I look at the heat affected zone ( bluish ) the result is about the same for both processes, one important thing you done is to avoid square corners, in fact, rounded corners helps greatly to control the distorsion. veru good video
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@OMSRUK
@OMSRUK 25 күн бұрын
Vehicle body welding is something I wanna learn it’s something i need to learn
@berserkerusmc7613
@berserkerusmc7613 4 ай бұрын
It's time for me to learn how to TIG. Thanks for the video. I appreciate you taking the time to show the differences.
@stout8807
@stout8807 6 ай бұрын
I have to agree with the no gap preference. The gap takes more weld allowing more heat input, which can lead to more warpage, but obviously there’s people who do it the other way with great success, so definitely boils down to personal preference
@paulradford4100
@paulradford4100 Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, while MG is a more simple weld, needing much less finesse than say TIG or MMA, it is more of a dirty weld and not so pretty as other processes.. MIG does have its place in many companies because with constant wire and gas, you can just keep going. On the other hand processes that use consumables often need to be tied in when using a new consumable and takes more skill to get that beautiful weld. Personaly for car body work, I feel maybe mig is a good option as your going to grind/polish the weld away anyway..
@MegaDirtyberty
@MegaDirtyberty Жыл бұрын
One of the best mig vs tig videos I think I have seen. I did have the question about can you use tig without wire and you have answered it.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks fo watching. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@ITigweld
@ITigweld 6 ай бұрын
Quick out the door Mig it. First class TIG it.
@BigFiveJack
@BigFiveJack Жыл бұрын
This demonstration was very enjoyable to view. The comparison is made easy by your effort. Thank you.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@keithjurena9319
@keithjurena9319 Жыл бұрын
The hard MIG weld is also more brittle. You can get an easy grind wire specifically for auto body work.
@tinkeringinthailand8147
@tinkeringinthailand8147 Жыл бұрын
I always advocate doing things how you feel is good for you. Yea we can look at the research and tutorials, and follow SET processes, but ultimately when it comes to the finer points there is no "One size fits all". Another sub
@martinwarner1178
@martinwarner1178 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, going to get my car sill done now! And, it will be rough and a little solid, also with filler applied to cover the crap welds. Like the wet rag application, I have set fire to a car in the past. Peace be unto you.
@johnandrew5742
@johnandrew5742 Жыл бұрын
Nice job, I usually braze all my panels but now I am going to buy a Tig and start learning that process.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
You won’t regret it 👍
@jamesgeorge4874
@jamesgeorge4874 8 ай бұрын
I like flux core myself, no gas, you can use a fan to blow away any fumes, it does require some practice, I remove the nozzle tip and can get in tight places well. Not saying "this is the way" but it works well for me. Cool vid.
@philponticello2303
@philponticello2303 10 ай бұрын
Awsome product!! It is compact and vary portable. It's great when I'm fishing that magnet holds the dynavap in place so it doesn't roll around. I use to carrie a dugout and a pinch hit. Nasty to clean always clogged and sticky the dynavap pared with this heater kicks ass‼️🔥
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@OldSkoolF
@OldSkoolF 5 ай бұрын
Love the Video.... Informative and No annoying background music!
@tonydalton6756
@tonydalton6756 Жыл бұрын
Nice skills there Tom. I've never mastered the no filler method. I like to start the TIG run with a nice fat puddle from the filler rod. I start it away from the weld & run it in. I get less undercut problems & can run the weld quicker. If you slow down you'll blow a hole though. 😅
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Stick to what you know Tony if it works for you then great 👍
@peterplouf2836
@peterplouf2836 3 ай бұрын
Tig is great for bench-work when joining new steel to new steel. However, on the car, where the backside is often not accessible and not clean metal, the Tig is not practical since Tig does not seem to tolerate anything but surgically clean metal.
@PTGK-pt6rh
@PTGK-pt6rh Ай бұрын
Excellent! Just what i was looking for. TIG it is then for my rocker panel replacement on my F150 crew cab. 👍🙏
@glennmorrissey5309
@glennmorrissey5309 Жыл бұрын
An excellent demonstration Tom. Very easy to follow and to understand. Great video!
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you Glenn 👍
@thenorseviking
@thenorseviking 7 ай бұрын
I've been thinking of buying a TIG for body welding for a long time, but now I see that I'm going to continue with MIG
@hetori9918
@hetori9918 7 ай бұрын
I referred TIG,less messing with the body,no heavy grinding which will also heat up the sheet metal and cause it wavy easily,then less following work.but seems like TIG welding requires more precise metal work like gap control
@tptrsn
@tptrsn Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video, thanks!! I think I'll try tig first, since I prefer the tig process for most other applications.
@ezequielrodriguez9643
@ezequielrodriguez9643 Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, it was a beautiful demostration, you help me a lot, hi from Argentina, keep that amazing work
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the nice comment 👍
@daveys
@daveys Жыл бұрын
TIG seems to be more elegant and cleaner in use to me. I might have to TIG myself up. Nice job on both of those sections though.
@tramptruck4859
@tramptruck4859 Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison. 50 odd years ago I remember old hands talking about "hammer welding" The penny just dropped about what they meant. They were gas welding of course.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@zaverecnynavrh1047
@zaverecnynavrh1047 Жыл бұрын
Sorry. It´syour mistake. Not gaz. Hammer only, with fire.
@Sean_XT
@Sean_XT Жыл бұрын
@@zaverecnynavrh1047 you thinking of forge welding?
@boywonderrr71
@boywonderrr71 Жыл бұрын
I never knew how labor intensive this is!🤯
@alanmcc7614
@alanmcc7614 Жыл бұрын
Tom, excellent no nonsense video..proper craftsman
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you Alan
@dette-envers-les-animaux
@dette-envers-les-animaux 8 ай бұрын
good job but to be definitively efficient, you should put grease everywhere. grease et the only thing very efficient against rust. put grease between metal and carpet, inside door, behind bumper, behind (inside the car), behind the repairs you can make (everywhere inside hidden erea - instead of using paint), hollow areas (necessarily hidden, so no need to be aesthetic). For rear wings unreachable with a paintbrush, use an extender and poor old oil everywhere each year.Handyman Experience - 35 years. From france
@mariamkalis1828
@mariamkalis1828 Ай бұрын
Fajną rzecz mi podpowierzałeś. Ja zajmuje się renowacją samochodów zabytkowych. Uwielbiam słychać co mają do powiedzenia doświadczeni rzemieślnicy . Dziękuję.
@williammclachlan8537
@williammclachlan8537 Жыл бұрын
Well done, pro work. nice video. Car body is rare for me so that was very informative. THANK-YOU.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you William 👍
@alexavto1218
@alexavto1218 8 ай бұрын
Хорошая демонстрация. Я работаю mig, необходимо много опыта и мастерства, чтобы сварить два тонких листа металла, чтобы после шлифовки выглядело как одно целое. Привет тебе из россии
@465painkiller465
@465painkiller465 Жыл бұрын
Just got one question after watching. Bit unclear whether this is a tutorial or not?? Nah jokes, many thanks for the informative content! I've just gone from flux core to mig in hopes of cleaner welds. Glad I don't have to deal with slag anymore. Cheers
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
🤣👍 wise decision I hate the flux core migs good luck with it 👨‍🏭
@465painkiller465
@465painkiller465 Жыл бұрын
@@Metal_shaper_tom thank you
@monkfry
@monkfry Жыл бұрын
I was taught to backpedal gas weld with a .000 tip using deox rod and a hammer/dolly. RG45? I believe. Cool channel btw. 👍
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@monkfry
@monkfry Жыл бұрын
@@Metal_shaper_tom Yea, anyone beatin’ panels is Aces in my book!
@Quiwi707
@Quiwi707 Жыл бұрын
Super vidéo 👍 Really cool to make this test Clean like this on a piece of car. I have also thé both welding 0,6 MiG gaz And tig and really is hard to make choice about qualiti. For me MiG have thé avantage to be easy and quicker on this type of work. Good job good vidéo Merci 👍
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Yes I completely agree. The mig is a lot easier 👍 thanks for watching
@therealspixycat
@therealspixycat 8 ай бұрын
Compare the 2 in terms of brittleness: the forced cooled down MIG weld will I think break much faster plus it will be more difficult to manipulate. Plus show the penetration on the back please. And show the settings used please. Cheers
@adamdozier5757
@adamdozier5757 6 ай бұрын
Great job. I need to learn to Tig. Clean up sucks with my Mig.
@Mr59425942
@Mr59425942 7 ай бұрын
Been fusion TIG welding body metal for 35 years, you need a thumb screw amp adjuster on your torch and no gap. Ultimate way is with oxy/acetylene, the weld is softer and will crush nicely in the wheeling machine.
@simoncarney9944
@simoncarney9944 Жыл бұрын
Great video Tom! I really hope the channel grows, you deserve it.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon! I hope so to 🤞🤞🤞
@rtechweldingtv
@rtechweldingtv Жыл бұрын
Nice video Tom, really good illustration of what both processes can achieve.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks rtech 👨‍🏭
@Keith12001
@Keith12001 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@123marymary
@123marymary 2 ай бұрын
Bravo mestere,invat si eu ceva de la tine,tare drugut mwah mwah😂
@dreamhighsolution9269
@dreamhighsolution9269 10 ай бұрын
thanks for the knowledge..im new and learning now how to weld properly.
@jasonsailor9987
@jasonsailor9987 3 ай бұрын
Loved the level of detail you’ve included in your commentary. Instead of grinding the mig welds I use a 40grit flap wheel. ( I’ve found the Purdi brand to be the best) I then finish levelling/shaping with a paint stripper disk. Less heat and better result. @Metal_shaper_tom have you tried a similar method?
@user-gk9zg4mt2c
@user-gk9zg4mt2c 6 ай бұрын
Hey man! You are not MIG-ing, You`re MAG-ing. Round edges is a good tip,
@nobodyschild967
@nobodyschild967 Жыл бұрын
The only weld i can afford is JB WELD! Must feel nice to weld the real way, despite what technique/machine being used for the process. Excellent job!
@MrTimdtoolman1
@MrTimdtoolman1 Жыл бұрын
Your pick hammer look just like my first Snap-on body hammer 40 years ago.
@offgridd
@offgridd 26 күн бұрын
Hi metalshaper Tom. Thank you for the insights about the difference between MIG and TIG. Since I like soldering a lot, I might pull the plunge on a TIG machine. What would you recommend for welding together a rack that needs to hold 500kG of lithium cells out of 1,25"x 1,25"x 3-4mm steel square profile? With TIG you only need just one bottle of Argon for all materials so less equipment in my very petit eworkshop and this process is very clean as well. MIG is easier to learn and just welding together stuff is more quick and easy. I however like neat and being able welding Aluminium too (without an Aluminium thread on a MIG machine)
@geodez86
@geodez86 5 ай бұрын
Добрый день. Я не занимаюсь сваркой, я геодезист. Но мне интересен процесс взаимодействия материалов, как пайка склеивание сварка заклёпка плавление.. для хорошего конечного результата нужно два материала соединить. И в вашем видео я вижу что всегда можно убрать лишний металл. Но сварка проволокой MIG даёт качественнее результат, там используется дополнительный металл из проволоки. 🤔 А сварка TIG очень филигранная и ювелирная. Вам нужно было применить проволоку в сварке TIG, тогда результат был бы корректнее🤷👍
@The_Superior_Self
@The_Superior_Self Жыл бұрын
I find myself becoming more and more interested in this sort of content as my 2000s GM shitboxes wheel arches continue to become more and more "chrispy"
@MrCbell57
@MrCbell57 Жыл бұрын
Good job. Tig is definitely less work once you have the skill. Seems many start on mig and end up working there way up to being able to tig. I started using mig due to it being a cheaper way to get started. And one requiring less practice and skill building. However I’ve always been facilitated with tig welding and how less invasive it seems for sheet metal. Just can’t afford a good tig machine.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
They can be pricey but great when you master it. Hopefully you fine a cheap you so you can try it
@kawataufik5098
@kawataufik5098 Жыл бұрын
Me too I am in thailand they have all rubbish from China and for good tig No available only 1.6 mm can weld with tig no body car repair only usei g old style 20-30 ago all panel damaged they they make arts with patty even the insurance here know only change parts I am stuck need 200-300 good tig to do a 0.5 mm secondhand I am happy any help Bring anything more than $50 they charge you %30-40 tax
@michaelgalimi940
@michaelgalimi940 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tom would like to see you showing people how to do a patch with Oxy acetylene gas welding
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Great point. I need to get a set up in my workshop first before I can do this
@jakleo337
@jakleo337 Жыл бұрын
All you need is a fine tip and keep the flame going across the surface, not into it. I do it all the time. One big advantage is no electricity is needed. Just two gas bottles. Also the gas can be propane or even gasoline used in cars. You can weld, cut and braze all with one cheap setup.
@user-ds4sw9or8g
@user-ds4sw9or8g Жыл бұрын
Massive HELP.
@keithclark486
@keithclark486 Жыл бұрын
I like to keep a damp rag held up against the backside of the panel when possible or get a helper to do it for you if you can't reach it, like welding up 1/4 panels and such, a spray bottle of water works good for hard to reach places especially if there's a potential of a fire. I've been doing body/paint work/ welding a little over 47 years and have accidentally burned 3 cars to the ground. I can mig and Tig both ' still prefer mig over Tig and mig over actylen like we did back in the older days. Lol
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks . Only the 3 cars, that’s good going! I like the damp rag approach 😂
@donaldbozek8505
@donaldbozek8505 8 ай бұрын
I was thinking I wanted a MIG over a TIG and you just confirmed it.😊 thank you.
@coolyiu1
@coolyiu1 4 ай бұрын
i like how much time you spent on your disclaimer 😂
@xmfclick
@xmfclick Жыл бұрын
I'm a total beginner, trying to learn as much as possible from YT videos. This was a great demonstration of what can be done -- something to aim at. What feed rate and current were you using for the MIG?
@FixingWithFriends
@FixingWithFriends Жыл бұрын
This is undoubtedly far too late, but realistically you will want to do a testbpiece or two to set your welder. You may also want to play with adjusting the distance of your ground clamp (from your weld). But aside from that rather vague recommendation. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable has already helped you out.
@xmfclick
@xmfclick Жыл бұрын
@@FixingWithFriends :: Thanks for the reply. Alas no, I'm calling into the void. I've tried various currents and feed rates but all I get is varying amounts of spatter and no useful weld. I feel like giving up.
@xmfclick
@xmfclick Жыл бұрын
@@FixingWithFriends :: Weird, I only received notification of your reply today. YT seems to have all kinds of problems with the comments section.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
What welder do you have ?
@AlloyedFrequencies
@AlloyedFrequencies 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing us all that
@russellnixon9981
@russellnixon9981 Жыл бұрын
Very well explained and demonstrated..
@jeremywhittington7605
@jeremywhittington7605 7 ай бұрын
Your ring doorbell went off lol!!!
@chrisspezowka8417
@chrisspezowka8417 Жыл бұрын
Great video! First comparison video I’ve watched. One and done 👍 Thanks for the good information
@Beardmondy67
@Beardmondy67 Жыл бұрын
.. Ace work, Tom ,. I'm enjoying your channel,.. Keep-up the good work ,..
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@Zaibatsu1103
@Zaibatsu1103 Жыл бұрын
i do everything with my TiG for me its the best for control heat and welding :)
@UzumakiGarage
@UzumakiGarage Жыл бұрын
thanks Tom. great video. hello from Australia
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Hello 👋 thanks for watching and good luck with your channel
@UzumakiGarage
@UzumakiGarage Жыл бұрын
@@Metal_shaper_tom thanks very much!
@alasdairsmith0491
@alasdairsmith0491 Жыл бұрын
So I'm new to TIG and never done any body work but I'd like to sort some stuff out on my restoration project. This video was great! I'll be subscribing! Question: what is the purpose of dressing the weld? I can't see a discernable difference on the camera.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Hi. Your always need to dress the weld to dress it flat and to release the tension after the the weld has shrunk the surrounding area. Hope this helps
@alasdairsmith0491
@alasdairsmith0491 Жыл бұрын
@@Metal_shaper_tom that's great, thanks for the info. What you say about releasing the tension makes a lot of sense since the cooling weld causes the two pieces of metal to be pulled together.
@dietmarspriesterbach6
@dietmarspriesterbach6 Жыл бұрын
Excellent welding! I wish I was as good as you!
@richardm9550
@richardm9550 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff and truly inspirational Would love to learn to weld . I suspect that it’s like a lot of things, the more you do, the more you improve. I just need to get off my backside and find a part time course to get started.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Easy with the correct tuition. When I teach people i do a 4 hour lesson and in that time I can show you enough to get going.
@FixingWithFriends
@FixingWithFriends Жыл бұрын
Trust me 'similar' doesn't cut it. Cars are simply made of rust here. Thank you for the tip about the corners I had noticed that, My approach was to instead start near the corner and work to the point after it cools. Then the other weld(s) can transfer the heat from the patch to the panel.
@FixingWithFriends
@FixingWithFriends Жыл бұрын
I also haven't used presurized air to cool the piece. So I just move from one end to the other and add pauses.
@jonasjonasson15
@jonasjonasson15 4 ай бұрын
Not leaving a gap on the MIG side might work on a small stable piece like that. Welding on a larger "flat" surface (Door sheet) it's very hard to keep the sheet metal from "growing" and by that creating a ridge along the weld, this can be better controlled with a 1mm gap. At least up to 2,5mm sheet thickness I tend to leave a gap for better control on larger surfaces.
@musclekingmedia
@musclekingmedia 4 ай бұрын
MiG wire makes a big diff too. Some like you said are hard. But special wire is softer
@paulhendricken
@paulhendricken Жыл бұрын
Great video. Well done.
@lobpants
@lobpants Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Please consider getting a lapel/lavalier microphone for better audio. Cheapest one you can find will do the job.
@DGRetroCustoms
@DGRetroCustoms Жыл бұрын
awesome video and awesome comparison, I am teaching myself to tig weld for the neater finish so please please put out a vid of some specifics
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍 Yeah I think I will. I might do a series from the basics up to welding bodywork
@DGRetroCustoms
@DGRetroCustoms Жыл бұрын
@@Metal_shaper_tom dont steal my idea lol, I have already started a series teaching myself in the aid to help others
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
@@DGRetroCustoms 😂 I’ll give you a shout out!
@DGRetroCustoms
@DGRetroCustoms Жыл бұрын
@@Metal_shaper_tom 🤣🤣fair enough lol
@techydiy
@techydiy Жыл бұрын
That was a great comparison.
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@TheChanDave
@TheChanDave 6 ай бұрын
Silicon bronze works well too. It’s also like 1000 degrees cooler than steel mig welding
@tonyinhbolero4815
@tonyinhbolero4815 9 ай бұрын
Tig all day long
@bobfrankish8883
@bobfrankish8883 Жыл бұрын
Great job Tom!
@dougsmith747
@dougsmith747 10 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing!🙂
@Metal_shaper_tom
@Metal_shaper_tom 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
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