Methos meets Methos

From the episode 'The Messenger' the meeting between the real Methos and the fake Methos.

[@tsdobbi]

Ron perlman has looked like hes 50 for the past 30 years.

[@Ragitsu]

He must be part of the "Patrick Stewart Club"

[@tinafoster8665]

HE'S AN IMMORTAL hehe

[@tinafoster8665]

@@Ragitsu he is aging gracefully hehe

[@Ragitsu]

@@tinafoster8665 Secretly, yes.

[@tinafoster8665]

@@Ragitsu so--- Captain Picard IS AN IMMORTAL TOO? well he was in the Nexus hehe

[@aleisterseverusgrey3778]

the funny part about this is Ron Pearlman was up for the role of Methos originally.

[@christyshultz6443]

Don't get me wrong I love Ron Perlman but I think that Peter was the best choice. And that Ron got to play a certain aspect of methos later was awesome. But the real Methos showing up just make sure that the fake one wasn't pulling something and wasn't trying to hurt young Immortals was important. Methos being ready to just peace out when he realized that the fake m wasn't a bad man was cool though. Pearlman's version was misguided but not a bad man. It would have been nice if the type of world that he would have liked to have lived in was real, he paints a nice picture not realistic but nice.

[@TheWolfmanhy26]

Ron Perlman while being a fantastic actor, could not play "the runner" the way Peter Wingfield could.

[@StandWatie1862]

@@TheWolfmanhy26 He's a terrible actor and looks like a prehistoric throwback.

[@nilesstark]

I can't see Methos saying Fire or Knife. Ha ha ha!

[@Romulan2469]

Perlman plays the bad guy much better than the good guy.

[@jamesboulger8705]

Lol he tells Methos you can't live 5,000 years without taking risks, and Methos is like "I HAVE lived 5,000 years. Avoiding risks is the only thing I have seen that works!!!"

[@tinafoster8665]

Very good point

[@dantesinferno80]

He didn't avoid risk for the whole 5000 years though

[@weathered19]

I think the fake Methos caught on who he was talking to..but only at the absolute last second.

[@christyshultz6443]

Yeah he wasn't stupid

[@zellychan]

My favorite thing about this scene is that it's implied that fake Methos catches on that he's the real deal.

[@aliciaborth3016]

I wanted Methos to ask the guy who he really was

[@amyarmendez8095]

Oh yeah right at the end, I thought he had been fake methos so long he’d kind of just embraced it as his real identity, like a title

[@RebeccaFouts1]

I always LOVED that scene. He went there to see if he had a problem, prepared to put the problem down if need be - but decided he was no real threat to HIM, and could play a valuable decoy. Of course what threat he may play to others is NOT our Old Man's concern, or is it? LOL Great scene between two consummate actors and great writing.

[@tinafoster8665]

Hehe I think fake Methos WAS a Byzantine or Viking tho, n if desired coulda took Methos unarmed. NOT Duncan lol or Kronos tho, seriously what warrior would finish an adversary at surrender? The Predators didn't lol

[@tinafoster8665]

And the look of outright shame in Methos face at, could anyone say they lived 5,000 years and risk nothing, it would be pointless

[@tinafoster8665]

Methos is a wimp n knos it. He'd be better off doing what Darius did LOL but he is a character. I bet through Joe Dawson the Watchers get some pretty interesting fill in material lol, and about that how is Methos in the Watchers, don't the Watchers have a test where they cut your finger or something and if you heal immediately you're not in LOL?

[@lordoffaiyum9727]

@@tinafoster8665 no way he takes Methos unarmed. 5,000 year old immortal God bud. No way

[@tinafoster8665]

@@lordoffaiyum9727 REALLY? N did you see how he just took Richie's sword without even thinking about it? Fake Methos WAS a warrior of note, n that's why he eventually said f*** it. Why is it people nowadays think that peacemakers are wimps? Strange

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

The fake Methos was lucky that he didn't run into Kronos.

[@ChicagoMel23]

Or Cassandra. “Yeah right when the guy spends years enslaving and torturing you, you know who he is.”

[@tinafoster8665]

@@ChicagoMel23 Cassandra would have luvved the "fake" Methos, and as he himself said there wasn't a patent on it lol there's probly 7 or 8 Methos's

[@tinafoster8665]

@@ChicagoMel23 but Kronos, ah Kronos. I don't believe that story line in the Revelation episode, I would have made the storyline where Kronos paid somebody to develop the germ and then killed them. But yes whoever this guy is Kronos wouldn't even have listened to one word of his rap and just cut his head off

[@tinafoster8665]

Hehe he would have got as far as "We can ta-" n then what Richie calls the light show LOL

[@tinafoster8665]

Woulda been the last breath he ever took, kronos DOESN'T have a sense of humour

[@KoYou9NWTM]

Um, no. Methos didn't die in The Source---they left it open-ended. He was last seen riding a horse in the opposite direction of The Source to disctract an angry mob away from Duncan. And having been one the Four Horsemen, we know Methos can handle himself on horse....

[@kjpierson1152]

I was death...death on a horse.

[@MelissaGrimes9371]

I remember when Ron Perlman played Vincent in Beauty and the Beast.

[@justcallmemethos6232]

lol I remember that I was a kid and my mother use to watch that show

[@TeriB1956]

It is the show I first saw Adrian Paul in.

[@Keihryon]

@@TeriB1956 For me it was the War of the Worlds TV show.

[@TeriB1956]

Daegon who else was in it?

[@tinafoster8665]

That was him? It's on old reruns

[@robgraham7238]

One of the most underrated actors of all time, a great character actor and extremely talented classical actor that uses his face to tell and sell the stories.

[@The_B_Line]

The flashback in this episode (civil war)usually makes me cry. As for this scene: at the end-gotta love the cool, matter-of-fact, way that Methos always puts away his sword and also: "Didn't catch your name". "No... you didn't"

[@The_B_Line]

Gotta LOVE the casual, matter-of-fact way Methos puts his sword away. Especially concidering how big that thing is compared to him. GREAT! He does it like that in Forgive our Trespasses, too :)

[@tinafoster8665]

U can tell he's used to handling the Big Tool LOL

[@Lughnerson]

No, he didn't "catch" the name Methos, only the real immortal could do that. It was a very philosophically interesting meeting.

[@tobiaswalker4535]

Ron Pearlmon, always a great character actor. He even manages to give the Real Methos a run for his money in terms of believes. "Could anyone live for 5000 and say they did nothing risked nothing, merely stayed alive. It'd be meaningless." Ouch!

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

but unfortunately taking risk's far too often paint's a target on your head. What Methos said about the moment's where risk wasn't taken, and he simply lived through something gracefully. Those moment's are meaningful as well.

[@tinafoster8665]

@@zaxbitterzen2178 yes but, Methos IS ashamed at his own wimpyness. He's completely right later in the episode when he says, there was a Spanish guy got hauled in by the Inquisition, usual drill red-hot tongs Pinchers, all he has to do is say no. And what happens? He died screaming in agony. But he kept his conviction. N Mac goes to save Richie. Cool, but WHAT ABOUT saving MethDos (Methos 2 hehe)? Mac's morality is f***** up sometimes

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

@@tinafoster8665 it does attract a lot if trouble like with Mako earlier in the series

[@chrisweeks3245]

@@tinafoster8665 Tina Methos has forgotten more about fighting than Mac could ever know. In a fight Methos would win because methos would cheat unlike Saint Holy Duncun lol

[@tinafoster8665]

@@chrisweeks3245 maybe but I think Duncan is Wily enough to know Methos tricks, and after being clued in that Methos was one of the horsemen? I bet he never turned his back on him again, well that is in the annals of the myth that is lol

[@MauricXe]

I love this scene. Acting and all. The writing is just great.

[@gracepeynado6607]

This is where the real 'Bad Boy' in M ethos came out...the silly looking geek disappeared for a while...he was totally perfect in the pretender personility...I now can't get enough of Methos

[@christyshultz6443]

You're missing the point h( the real Methos )came there to see if the fake Methos wasn't trying to lure younger Immortals into something stupid like throwing their life away or just killing them outright.( because in the game he's probably seen all types) But no while pearlmens is a little delusional he wasn't a bad man.

[@poseidon5003]

For all we know this "fake" Methos might also be very very old, and since he heard the myth, he thought the myth was about him. It could happen.

[@tinafoster8665]

WE SHOULD DEVELOP THIS SCENARIO hehe n make a zillion buxxx n start a cult of personality

[@MiserereMD]

He’s around 4500yo, some 500 years younger than the real Methos.

[@devlandiablo]

I'm flashing between Perlman as fake!Methos and Hellboy and Vincent from that old TV version of Beauty and the Beast. Who would want to pretend to be real Methos anyway, when it means someone will Hunt him for his Quickening? I am in love with this series!

[@shutterbug1401]

At 3:16 you can see the point of Methos' (Peter Wingfield) sword when he turns away. I'd always laughed at how those coats could hide those swords. :)

[@tnndll4294]

"...can anyone live for 5,000 years and say they did nothing; risked nothing..." This is part of the reason why I remember that show fondly. Methos and his philosophical discussions with others brought an additional dimension.

[@Commanderziff]

I remember the episode about the immortal baseball player, (I can't remember his name), but he just got finished pitching a game and another immortal attacks him on the roof of the stadium. He's still wearing his baseball uniform, yet somehow he pulls a two foot sword out of from... somewhere... I had the DVD, on the commentary track the director for the episode laughed at that moment: "And of course, the swords pulled from nowhere!"

[@ToEuropa]

The best "impossible sword" came from Amanda in her short-lived Raven series. She was wearing some skin-tight, low-necked risque outfit, reached behind her head, and pulled a full-length sword from nowhere.

[@watchreport]

@@ToEuropa she did that in the regular highlander series multiple times. Some guy had a regular jacket and jeans on and pulled out a massive broadsword from behind his back like that too.

[@michaelstaengl1349]

What I really loved in this episode was, that real Methos wasn't even the slightest angered towards the pretend-Methos. Real Methos to Duncan who thought Methos would be angered "When he wants to be Methos, let him."

[@Artisan1979]

You can tell Methos is having fun with this pretender

[@thegrimmretails3777]

Of course. The target is off his back for a time.

[@eventhorizon]

I found out not too long ago- they were actually trying to get a Methos/Joe spin off going- which I've been saying since season 3 aired would be brilliant- because the two of them always had the best chemistry... But it never came through-

[@lancelandis227]

eventhorizon Methos played in Stargate SG1 as a Tokra but was a goalud spy. He did a great job.

[@sleepingdogpro]

I'll swear till the day I die that if this series came out now instead of 20 years ago, a streaming channel would have snatched that right up. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is practically a twin of what a Methos and Joe show would have been, and Disney's backing that.

[@ChicagoMel23]

Yeah Indescretions was great

[@abbysands9510]

@@sleepingdogpro They are plans to do a remake of highlander. I heard talks about two years ago. I reckon a few things should happen. First the quickening should actually make them stronger and pass on the knowledge. As it stands a five thousand years immortal is no stronger than a immortal rhat was created a few days ago. The only difference is skill. Next immortal should regenerate lost limbs and heal faster. mcleod in the film tied a cloth to stop the bleeding when he fought his old immortal friend. You know the one that Connor's family dies and Connor let's Duncan take his head in order to give him the strength needed.

[@kendrasjohnson5576]

@@abbysands9510 More like forced Duncan to take his head!

[@kattierowe]

LOVE the look on Methos' face when the fake Methos makes that comment about living for 5,000 years without taking any risks would be pointless... Gods, I adore that man

[@tinafoster8665]

Peter Wingfield is a pro. Perfect shame n disgust warring with practical experience. In other words it sucks being me LOL

[@Highlander1518]

I’ve met the guy. Nice fella.

[@thewandering01]

The fake Methos was trying to bring about peace between immortals, an end to The Game, to the killing. He thought that by pretending to be Methos he would be able to get his message out better, get more people to listen to him. As for what happens: lets say things get dicey when he tries to step between Mac and an old enemy who used to be a good man until his family was slaughtered and he went crazy.

[@jessesheets2460]

That was the problem. The very same episode, he lost his head. He didn't even try to save his own life. That's the realism of humanity. Everyone who is reasonable can agree to lay down their weapons but the few who won't are the ones who make it necessary for all the rest to continue to be ready to fight.

[@jcloiseau]

@@jessesheets2460 did you just come up with that last statement or is it some quote coming from someone? Really like it

[@jessesheets2460]

@@jcloiseau Nope. I just came up with it. Thanks.

[@eventhorizon]

I don't think that's the only reason why he hangs with Duncan, I think he genuinely likes him, realizes that not many people in the history of man has his strength of character (even though occasionally he's a hypocrite, it's impossible not to be from time to time), and he really just LIKES Duncan. In 5K or so years, I'm sure he can count the people he REALLY trusted on 1 hand... ok, maybe 2. Hehe-

[@tinafoster8665]

The people METHOS actually trusted? One finger. Duncan.

[@Euripides_Panz]

It's interesting to see how they developed the personality of someone living in his prime for over 50 centuries. Even the other older immortals stand out, personality-wise. Darius, Grayson, Methos, Graham Ashe, in particular, view Duncan as having great potential. Perhaps in MacLeod, the see parts of themselves in different points in their own lives. Maybe they all see someone with greater will and capacity to adapt.

[@Mukation]

@@Euripides_Panz What made Methos "special" is that he doesn't see himself as special. Like he told Duncan "I'm just a guy". Methos may have thousands of immortals quickening in him, but as he pointed out then and there as well, he doesn't have the interest in the game, he has no interest in fighting, he doesn't have the fire in him. Duncan stil did, however.

[@Euripides_Panz]

@@Mukation It's not that he has no interest in it. He has no interest in participating in it. When someone like Kalas comes along, his Watcher ties would be a liability and one of the few remaining "old" immortals loses his head to an evil headhunter. At one point he wanted MacLeod to take his head so that power stayed on the side of good. Preventing an evil immortal from winning the Prize is clearly an interest, if not passive participation.

[@Mukation]

@@Euripides_Panz But then again, did he offer MacLeod his head, because he knew Duncan would refuse?

[@FaithLestrange]

The way fake Methos laughs at the end when Methos doesn't say his name, I'm wondering if he knew who he was... I like to think he did.

[@jasonleslie203]

That would have been interesting

[@chrismc410]

He probably knew who the real Methos was

[@rickdeckard1075]

@@chrismc410 hence the comment regarding doing nothing but surviving for 5 millennia

[@tinafoster8665]

I would have wrote the script for the fake Methos character to say, "good day then, METHOS" lol, who except the real man would ask about both Socrates and Cleopatra?

[@tinafoster8665]

@@rickdeckard1075 yes, MethDos, my new name for the fake Methos LOL I think recognized another long-term Immortal and that's why he brought up the five thousand years, even tho MethDos is, was probably a viking then Byzantine then Roman warrior.

[@ChicagoMel23]

Ron Perlman auditioned for the role of..well it was Connor when he tried for it. Adrian suggested creating a new character after he got the part.

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

This is the ultimate version of Stolen Valor

[@jeffman52001]

Darius is a big loss to not only Immortals but to mortals as well. Darius is a man with heart and character. There is another Immortal, somewhat like Darius named Sean Burns, sadly Duncan MacLeod took Sean's head while under the influence of a Dark Quickening. Sean Burns was a good friend of MacLeod just like Darius.

[@tinafoster8665]

OH YES the WWI hospital shrink! A CULTURED immortal with compassion n taste, n when Duncan freeked said, Duncan let's b reasonable, I could fight you but we BOTH KNO you're better than I, Sean n MethDos (Methos 2) would have formed Mission Darius hehe

[@eventhorizon]

But he they're calculated risks. People are trying to find him- be a part of it and make sure he doesn't get found- he even said it I think "I'm in charge of finding myself and I make sure it doesn't happen", something like that. Duncan's great to hang around too. Like he said- Duncan's the best he's ever seen- he's also the first to lop off a headhunter's head. Aggressive immortal comes to town, Duncan's probable the one who will take the challenge- esp is Methos finds another town to be in.

[@schizophreniccynic9141]

Love how Ron think's this is how an immortal would act

[@tinafoster8665]

Isn't it? He was immediately wary, noted his visitors demeanor, n at "Methos I presume," immediately thought here's the real Methos finally LOL

[@ericacroft13]

in highlander they never seem to grow up, they fixate on revenge and petty squabbles.

[@DonCoyleOne]

@@ericacroft13 That’s one of the aspects of the show that really hasn’t aged well. Duncan MacLeod being superman, and almost every other immortal being a one-note gimmick hellbent on revenge against Duncan MacLeod for foiling their evil scheme centuries ago. I love Highlander, and I’d love to see a new series using the same mythology but with a more mature, serial, consistent narrative and deeper characters. That said, this scene does show the depth that Highlander sometimes achieved with its writing and performances. Fantastic moment between these two, and Fake Methos is a real “left me wanting more” character.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@DonCoyleOneDuncan is almost a Gary Stu-The male version of a Mary Sue. He’s omni-competent, morally pure, pretty much unbeatable. We actually do see him train & it’s clear that he works at his skills so he’s not QUITE a Gary Stu, but he’s pretty close. I really like Adrian Paul but there was never a lot of depth to his character. Connor & Methos were both a lot more interesting, IMO. Also, it always did bug me that Duncan was so much more skilled than so many older immortals who had, presumably, taken a lot more heads (and quickenings) over the centuries.

[@HiddenStrengthTimelapseDrawing]

As I watch this scene again and again, I think Pearlman's charactor may have suspected that the man he met was the original Methos. The body language of each charactor in this scene is interesting, especially when it comes to eye contact: One distances himself from the other by looking away, but then the dynamic reverses as the discussion gets deeper, until both look each other straight on. Does the second "Methos" truely believe he is the original? Highly unlikely. Instead, he may be an immortal who has indeed lived for several thousand or more years, perhaps just shy of the real Methos' 5000 year record. By taking on the new name "Methos", this man would carry on the legacy of the original - similar in principle to how, in the Princess Bride, the title of "The Dread Pirate Roberts" would be secretly past down from the current Captain of the 'Revenge' to a worthy successor. Of course, the original Methos never passed down his name to this person - it was adopted by the man, most likely thinking that the real Methos died long ago. Perhaps by his smile at the end of their discussion, Methos 2 finally understood that Methos 1 was alive and well. Even if he himself should die, Methos 1 would continue to live.

[@Chocobear555]

It's a shame that Methos is so protective of his true identity. I would have loved to see the expression on Faux Methos' face when he found out who he was talking to.

[@stefanlefco1750]

Chocobear555 The expression would have been of joyous disbelief with faux Methos attempting to kill Methos.

[@tinafoster8665]

@@stefanlefco1750 no way lol. MethDos (Methos 2 lol) would have laughed and said, I thought you would look older LOL

[@stefanlefco1750]

@@tinafoster8665 lol I think you might be right! Then Methos asks Faux Methos to meet up with Kronos to get the band back together.

[@tinafoster8665]

@@stefanlefco1750 WAIT a minute, Methos had changed tho! Then again who scored Caspian that opium that quick? Faux Methos would have joined up with Cassandra and Duncan and wasted The Horsemen LOL, Duncan was thoroughly disgusted by what Methos had done. And who was Lord Byron's dealer LOL? Doc indeed roflmao

[@tinafoster8665]

@@stefanlefco1750 but it would b a good Son's of Anarchy side-play, The Horsemen meet the Hells Angels lol

[@gwryan1]

Should have been explored more, would have been a fun 2 parter. why did the other man use the name of Methos? and what happened to him to make him change in such an unusual way? perhaps that is why he became 'Hell-Boy' Years later lol.

[@NateSean]

+s h There are probably quite a few immortals who claimed to be Methos over the years. This one probably had no malicious intent, but maybe he felt the name would make people think twice before trying to fight him.

[@Lughnerson]

+Nathanielle Crawford In this clip, he did not take the name Methos, he replied, "So they tell me."

[@NateSean]

Lughnerson No, You are correct. In this specific clip he did not make that claim. I do not, however, understand how your comment is relevant to what I said as I was making a reference to the entire episode, which was in turn a response to the original commenter.

[@Lughnerson]

+Nathanielle Crawford Yes, after watching the episode from the beginning he did in fact call himself Methos.

[@whimsicallywiddershins6381]

Methos is pretty clever. He will just walk away, a boring, young Immortal, and when the fake Methos is eventually killed nobody will hunt his legend for a while. Wanna bet Methos has been in this situation many, many times before and used it to his advantage? He's a canny old man.

[@tnndll4294]

I generally side with the Methos perspective on things. Martyrdom is overrated. However, the fake methos' words are not all wrong:"...can anyone live for 5,000 years and say they did nothing; risked nothing..."

[@55Quirll]

@@tnndll4294 Agree with what you say - the real Methos perspective and his long life and the fake Methos and his perspective. Though not as old as the real Methos, his wisdom could be as old as Methos is.

[@culchieman1995]

it's a thing, he only started counting years after his first quickening, so really, he could be over 5000

[@jaromeartley73]

He mentioned in an episode that his life was a blur before that so many millennia old.

[@poseidon5003]

Ron Pearlman. He played a cave man in a movie called Quest For Fire. They really should have rolled with it.

[@mikevanroy9356]

They didn't have swords in those times, only sharpened rocks at best. "There can be... *grinds away* Whew, this is hard. *wipes brow* only one... Hold still!"

[@tinafoster8665]

OH THAT WAS HIM tried to do the other guy when Og got some swamp girl nookie lol

[@tinafoster8665]

@@mikevanroy9356 the entire myth is based on Methuselah, who stole the secret of fire from heaven and gave it to human beings who therefore used it to refine metal to make weapons to kill each other with. I guess Immortals are a curse upon the human race, and I don't exactly understand all the metaphysics involved LOL but the concept of severing the spinal cord with refined steel seems to have some symbolic meaning cuz unless the spinal cord and the skull are severed no matter how bad the degradation to the body is, through the metaphysical thing whatever it is LOL the body will just reform the same way it was. It's based on Methuselah everyday getting his entrails ripped out by the birds and eaten, to heal back up at night to have the same thing happen again the next day

[@patmcbride9853]

I've seen lots of evil in Tweets by Ron.

[@borgduck]

Splendid chap, both of them.

[@Freethenight]

Ron Perlman was in Highlander? that is so awesome.

[@marcelafloss626]

Me ví esté capitulo mil veces y aún no me canso!!..

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

Assumed wisdom vs real wisdom. The old man here think's what he is saying is true wisdom, but the real methos has lived his wisdom for milennia. Rather than become some preachy pseudo-guru he understood what it took to actually blend in.

[@tinafoster8665]

No way. True Methos SURVIVED. Had no code, no honor, just wit. If that's wisdom, then what's the point of philosophy or spirituality? Real Methos is a wimp n KNOS it. That's why he hangs with Mac lol

[@tinafoster8665]

And the preachy pseudoguru as you so ungraciously call him undoubtedly lived by his faith for literally hundreds of years, and his Word DID NOT die. Richie believed it, and will again.

[@lordoffaiyum9727]

Facts

[@lordoffaiyum9727]

@@tinafoster8665 false

[@tinafoster8665]

@@lordoffaiyum9727 how do you figure? The producers of the show missed a golden opportunity in my opinion to continue the series on a far more positive and realistic in my opinion light. The idea that Immortals could form a sort of core spiritual element of the human race sounds extremely intriguing to me, probably because I believe that humanity is ultimately good. However, the producers of the show seem to be caught in the violence for the sake of violence Paradigm so common on Commercial television. It seemed to me Methos was in this particular scene aware of his own emptiness of spirit at just surviving and not really trying to do anything with any higher goal.

[@Yakerina]

I always felt fake-Methos came out on top in that exchange. Though I'd really like to see more of Peter Wingfield on tv and so forth than Ron Perlman. Not that he doesn't deserve the work, either, AND I want to see more more Peter Wingfield! Except now he's got a non-acting life, too, and most of all I want him to be happy and me to be too old to know when he passes from this vale of tears.

[@ayasreviewsandtoycolection7148]

Yakerina He became a physician by choice. So overall I think he would benefit society more by leaving a lasting legacy. 😍😍😍

[@abbysands9510]

He got in Medical school but gave it up for acting. Many years later he went back to medical school and graduated. He now works as a doctor

[@williampaz2092]

I very respectfully disagree. I think the real Methos came out on top of this exchange.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@abbysands9510Dr. Wingfield started medical school in 1981, gave it up for acting & finally returned to complete his residency at the University of Vermont in 2015. He gave a really nice commencement speech for his class. It’s up on KZbin, btw. Peter was 50 (same age I am now) when he finally became a doctor. Most middle-age guys, they have a mid-life crisis, get divorced, buy a Corvette & starting dating women half their age. Peter became a doctor. That’s pretty awesome.

[@abbysands9510]

@@grahamstrouse1165 You're right, he also got to live out both his dreams. If he had gone into medicine, he might have regretted not pursuing acting, and if he had pursued acting, he might have regretted not going into medicine. So, he did both and so has no regrets. It's a shame that we won't see him in any upcoming projects because he has decided to hang up his cape, so to speak but at least he doing what makes him happy.

[@TwoSunsAnakin]

I think it was quite funny for real Methos to listen the "wisdom" and beliefs of the false Methos.:D "And if their mothers had loved them truely, then...it would have been a diferent world" pure genius, not only Methos is so sweet, but also intelligent and sarcastic. :D I think he is a kind hearted man, after all.

[@tinafoster8665]

Then why did he get soundly trounced in a philosophical argument? MethDos could have said, If Hitler's mother loved him, who would have loved Goebbels? It's a circular syllogism, Meaning if Hitler turned out to be an angel someone else would have taken his place. the real Methos was a coward when he turned down the invitation to talk.

[@siksimiksiFTW]

@@tinafoster8665 He didn't and there was never any argument. He just wanted to hear what the fake Methos would answer, not give any answers himself. He had no need to prove anything, not the the fake guy, not to anybody else. This is the real wisdom, not winning an argument someone tried to provoke.

[@THEMAX00000]

I always forget that Ron was in the series, what a fantastic cameo

[@batraciocascarudo1086]

Methos meets Hellboy.

[@KageNoTenshi]

he didn't catch the name, he stole it hahaha

[@xxxCrudelitasxxx]

wohaaaa ron perlman ....that´s cool.....

[@glenmassey3746]

The talk of two men who had seen too much.

[@maxgoodal753]

I see speculation a lot on whether Methos actually remembers his age. Did you know that, a little more than 5000 years ago, the Sumerians started using a calendar system? Seems awfully suspicious to me. I personally think he only started counting in "years" when humanity did. (I'm not a historian, that's just what google tells me. Anyone offended by my ignorance please correct, yeah?)

[@TjPhysicist]

a lot of what he says DOES imply something like that for sure. When he talks about his "diary" for insance he says smthg like "well, since writing began anyway"...and it's been a while but I do certainly rememebr that his REAL age was never actually known for certain, doesn't he tell duncan that he just remembers from when he took his first HEAD? Although...there was that cartoon that explored methos' early (was it pre-immortal?) life in egypt...

[@tbeller80]

I think there's a scene somewhere in the show where somebody makes the "5000 year" remark, and his response is something like "that's as far back as I remember" implying the "5000 year" thing is just when the written records or his memory begin.

[@wfow1448]

Actually, Methos mentioned once that he 'took his first head around 5000 years ago, anything before that was a blur" implying that he only started remembering his life when he took his first quickening. He could be hundreds of years older than 5000.

[@garydflatt4904]

Who killed Methos? And who was his teacher?

[@Alpha-Trion7]

The way I see it...in a sword fight against methos, duncan would have no chance at all. Yet the show seems to show that methos has ''splendid' but not legendary duncan-caliber sword skills. Why do I say this? Well in 5000 years, even if Methos took just two heads a year, that is an insanely gigantic number-and all that power/ability would be his. My favorite episode was when Methos told another immortal: "Just because I don't like to fight, doesn't mean I CAN'T!!". It would have been neat if Methos completely dominated anyone he faced with a few very lightning quick tactics. Or to have some sort of other awesome 'power' like sorcerer nakano did, that would obliterate the competition. Methos is by far my fav character, I just wanted them to up his skill by quite a lot! Duncan did once tell him that one of his really cool sword tactics was outdated by a hundred years. Lol.

[@michelrpg]

at least they used a good actor to portray the fake methos :D

[@RebeccaFouts1]

Speaking of Death . . . . A double (if not triple) entendre. *waggles eye brows*

[@dennismcginnis]

I had a dream that I met Methos last night. I was in a prison, but an elaborate prison with many wonders. When I attempted to jog in the yard, I lost gravity and floated to the ceiling. There were multiple chambers and multiple walks of life. I was confused the entire time and didn't know where to go. When I met Methos, I said, "you're Methos." "Yes," he responded, "you'll learn to like it here." The prison guards were servants. Anything you wanted you could have. I must have been in heaven.

[@robertphillips213]

If Kronos had met this guy, I imagine he would've walked away much like Methos did; only he would've been laughing his balls off. I read somewhere that Kronos was the adoptive father and mentor to Rebecca. If true, then maybe he sought Methos out not only for a reunion but also to see if he could force Methos or one of his other brothers to kill him. Maybe by challenging the whole world, one might be able to finally end him. If he had truly been the monster they portrayed for thousands of years then he wouldn't have survived so long or gone so unnoticed. Likely when Duncan first met him in the 1800's and in modern day, he just fell off the wagon so to speak.

[@ElevendyWOT]

Methos is better than Methos

[@tobiaswalker7562]

Wonder if the Messenger knew he was talking to the real guy!?

[@EP3mentalist]

Probably, it was in the script

[@jaimeduncan6167]

We can't be sure that Methos is who he believe he is. He accepts that he does not remember from some very old point. This guy probably does not remember either, pass some point.

[@tinafoster8665]

@@jaimeduncan6167 I never considered that. You would think all immortals will get to the point where Brian Cullen did, and get scared and either take to drugs or do what Darius did

[@tinafoster8665]

@C Alexander damm, I kno so little of the Highlander lore! So THAT'S why Darius tells Mac he's a fool for being a soldier, what ever became of Darius? Is there a Highlander timeline, similar to memory alpha for the Star Trek universe?

[@tinafoster8665]

@C Alexander THE HUNTERS, ahh! And no wonder Brian Cullen turned to alcohol, then opium, then cocaine, then finally crystal meth, because he was right when Duncan was taking him out of the Opium Den in San Francisco, n Cullen said you can't hear "them" coming. Weren't the hunters basically a malignant offshoot of the Watchers who decided that The Immortals were a curse upon the Earth and it was their business to destroy them?

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

Too bad he didn't use the typical response to "didn't catch your name". That's "I never threw it".

[@AmerginMacEccit]

Mentos meets Mental :) But seriously, to believe there is no evil one must be either godly or pure evil :) OK, or just stupid.

[@tinafoster8665]

I think you're the one who's mental. He didn't mean that there wasn't any evil, he meant that evil can be defeated by peaceful living and proselytizing peace, kind of like the 12 Steps in AA.

[@RolfHartmann]

Certainly the idea that Genghis Khan was driven by fear is mental. As some put it the truly great sinners could only be successful because they also had virtues.

[@eventhorizon]

Yeah- I think for a second Methos might have felt slightly burned with that, even though it wasn't actually aimed at him... not that it would make him live his life any differently- he's happy with it... But in that second, yeah- it stung *slightly*.

[@tinafoster8665]

Slightly yes lol. Methos just scroungers another beer from Duncan n says tomorrow's another day

[@TwoSunsAnakin]

Can you please tell me what is the name of the official site of Highlander? I couldn't find it. Thank you.

[@eventhorizon]

Yeah- I forget what I saw or read it in, and he's only slightly over 5,000- might have been the reunion ep where it's like 5,100 and change- or something like that-

[@Oceanstorm80]

@PhillyGirl1 He did it at the end of the conversation, but we never know if the fake one really knew.

[@vunobi]

I miss Darius too. If he was the only immortal left, the world could've been at peace. His death was a huge blow in MacLeod's life. I was hoping that he would last throughout the series. This scene with Methos and the impostor is brilliant!!

[@highjim7778]

agreed. Even Macleod thought Darius shouldve been "the one"

[@tinafoster8665]

@@highjim7778 the screenwriters are evil LOL

[@lyncat]

@@tinafoster8665 Well, the actor (Werner Stocker) died, so no more Darius.

[@tinafoster8665]

@@lyncat that suxx, we oughta do a new highlander

[@killakadafi77]

@LordAzanko He said thats when he took his first head, and before that gets a little fuzzy

[@Slade86zz]

I dont think you find out his name, but apparently he just pretends to be Methos to try get Immortals to stop fighting, but he gets killed anyways lol

[@cliphound80]

Ron Perlman straight up makes an awesome Methos!😂🤣

[@tnndll4294]

If Ron Perlman can play an older looking Methos, then Peter Wingfield today can play one too in a reboot series. Highlander doesn't really need a reboot. Methos should be the reboot. Why is it so hard for the execs to realize that?

[@Etanabg]

@LordAzanko I read part of Methos jurnals and if I remember correctly he is 5500 or something

[@jamesloberg4384]

I miss the 90s man...

[@gabrielgarfias9965]

Ron Pearlman

[@jasonjohnson6938]

What episode is this

[@StevenJQuinlan]

Fake Methos knows that some things, like War, never change

[@thethunderbird87]

Gotta make ya think, Richie likely said something to him about meeting the real Methos off screen, and that's probably what the whole conversation of Richie thinking he was pissed at him in the scene in his yard was all about. And also judging by the look on his face in that scene with Richie, he's thinking (pondering if you will) wait a minute, Richie just met Methos today, meaning he's here, now. That immortal earlier who didn't give me his name. Did I really come face to face with Methos? But he's not real. I assume Pearlman's character is intelligent enough, it wouldn't be too difficult for him to put 2 and 2 together on that one. Especially since there's 3 immortals already there that he knows of being Richie, MacLeod, and Culbraith. Then Richie comes to him with a story of MacLeod introducing him to the real Methos, and there was another immortal he spoke to who was mockingly asking him questions about Cleopatra and Socrates and whom he was unable to identify.

[@thisisme2476]

3:13 Yeah, he did. That was the whole point

[@RebeccaFouts1]

Well, he didn't do that bad when you realize he was speaking those English lines phonetically.

[@darthroden]

The whole idea that anyone is simply good or evil is nonsense, or the idea that good always triumphs over evil. Evil wins its fair share of battles though it seldom if ever conquers. Also some of the worst crimes in human history have been committed by people who called themselves "righteous" (the Inquisition is a good example) and even the worst dictators and monsters in human history were not entirely incapable of mercy (even fucking Hitler was known to have written some of the worlds first animal rights laws). No matter what philosophy you follow, if you are a Judeo-Christian, a follower of Mohammad, a Buddhist, or you have your own sense of honor and ethics - there is no such thing as a perfect human being and there is a great deal of grey area between good and evil.

[@brandoncruise6398]

The bible makes a clear description of what is good and evil. We're all evil but through rebirth, for those who choose that, they are made righteous in God's eyes.

[@rocketraccoon1976]

Disagree. Yes, no one is perfect, and people can & do change. But there is a lot less grey area than you think between good & evil. Many of the world's religions promote the same values -- truth, justice, fairness, compassion. Yes, many times religious leaders are corrupt, and many times religious adherents are hypocritical fakes, but their deeds are eventually recognized for what they are. You won't find Catholic leaders praising the hordes of innocents killed during the Inquisition or the Crusades. You won't find American Protestants praising the Salem Witch trials. You won't find many American Protestants praising slavery or Jim Crow (although there are still a sizable minority of scum doing so, but give it time). Interesting that religions from all over the world and from different times tend to promote the same values.

[@Ragitsu]

And yet, these religions share some curious...peculiarities. Most of them force women to dress a certain way or outright limit their agency. Most look down on or castigate homosexual individuals. All require various members of their faiths to wear particular headgear. Finally, even if you are an otherwise decent person, you will inevitably suffer greatly after death *if* you do not worship a deity.

[@eventhorizon]

No, that was the guy during the Spanish Inquisition who could have stopped the torture by saying no- or begging, something like that. He would have lost everything and lived. Instead, he died and kept his integrity... Which is never a good thing to die for in the ROG's point of view...

[@ManuelPassarella1]

The crux for the real Methos was about "ending the game". In my opinion that was the reason why he was there.

[@jeremyraglin8170]

Cool scene, Methos could have taken his head but chooses to walk away.

[@huugaa]

Clay Morrow :)

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

At least his Scottish accent was better than Chris Lambert's.

[@iamthelight2642]

Ouuuu my Favorite parts

[@oliaspina1457]

👍 👍

[@doubledgaming4032]

I wish they would have done a spin off of Methos instead of that Raven series.

[@Daehawk]

Young Ron :)

[@sleepingdogpro]

Apparently the producer who pulled this together is good friends with Ron Perlman and wrote this episode after hearing Ron say many of these things. I remember the producer being pissed that Ron Perlman phoned in his performance a bit here. Which he definitely did - he's certainly gone more full-throttle in other roles - but for fuck's sake, the whole episode is structured around Ron Perlman's real life beliefs ... and the episode spends most of it's time telling him that his beliefs are wrong. I can never rewatch this scene without thinking about that.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Methos meets Hellboy…

[@mindya1799]

He got Metho's style in clothing right at least

[@erayodabas9917]

I dont remember this part.Whic season and episode ?

[@TheRanger866]

Season 5, episode The Messenger. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqS8q4KXos1ppJI

[@erayodabas9917]

@@TheRanger866 thank you my friend

[@coreyfarrow6465]

It has choir, lol

[@borgduck]

@tes5000 Can you blame him after all of his dark past in the Bronze age.

[@travisfox4305]

Always liked methos

[@quieneselpatron790]

Would be better if Ron was the real Methos and the one Duncan knows is still one if the 4 horseman but has been a con man having the longest fake identity

[@yanick99]

I like Methos more than the others He is better than Duncan

[@JenniferMannette]

nizar yanick you said it. Love Methos

[@thethunderbird87]

I may have misunderstood, but didn't Methos at one point say that the Messanger may a Alejandro something or another????

[@tinafoster8665]

U misunderstood, later in this episode Methos is telling a story about a Spanish guy Alejandro somebody

[@darrinwebber4077]

While it's assumed all these years... That he was a fake or faux or pretender to the name of Method... I was always a believer that he was actually another real Method. As old as our favorite Horseman. Certainly, the Choir Boy was convinced before he killed him. And our Method.. seemed to respect the other enough...to not kill. And Method was born long before chivalry. Or his ancient ethical code of honor. He may very well be able to kill an unarmed opponent. I don't think so... but maybe.

[@snakeenjoyingacanofbeans5219]

This is weird scene!

[@brahsumatra]

Clay Morrow didn’t die.

[@RebeccaFouts1]

And Adrian's not a Scot either. LOL From London. His Scots accent could be better.

[@tinafoster8665]

But I bet he ain't got no Irish curse hehe

[@tinafoster8665]

Methos is a wimp n knos it. He'd be better off doing what Darius did LOL but he is a character. I bet through Joe Dawson the Watchers get some pretty interesting fill in material lol, and about that how is Methos in the Watchers, don't the Watchers have a test where they cut your finger or something and if you heal immediately you're not in LOL?

[@micnorton9487]

Hey you,, yeah Methos is a real character...

[@schizophreniccynic9141]

Methos just testing the waters. Meeting this messenger and realizing how much the messenger will not defend himself or even try to disappear. methos has definitely encountered idealist's like this before and is probably immensely disillusioned with them.

[@alanguages]

Yes, the real Methos met many fake Methoi. This fake Methos (Ron Pearlman) version was a Liberal and idealistic immortal, yet was going to meet the same fate as all the others that had the same ideology. (Immortal or not) They were beheaded or killed without a fight. The real Methos was a realist, since he lived as long as he did.

[@tnndll4294]

@@alanguages Then again, there are some liberals (like those in the US public educational system) that become the ones afraid to change. where they become the status quo and "do nothing; risk nothing..." for decades and decades.

[@Ragitsu]

@@alanguages "Liberal"?

[@Ragitsu]

@@tnndll4294 Last I checked, "liberals" aren't the ones fighting against science with religion.