Building a Bastard: Dōma

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

This guy and Akaza really are perfect opposites. Akaza is a hot blooded, extremely violent and passionate guy who ultimately became a demon due to experiencing true dispair in his life. Doma meanwhile is a litterally cold blooded, aloof guy who couldn't give a shit about anything and became a demon purely because he was bored. Nice contrast.

[@solidskullz5736]

They’re easily my favorite demons

[@warclock3224]

man fucked around and find out i guess

[@jacksonmacpherson6101]

Also on a smaller point, Akaza was given permission to not consume women by Muzan whereas Doma mentions that he adores eating women.

[@mecha_mm5027]

The same with their backstories. Akaza was born a “demon child” and Douma a “blessed child”.

[@jacksonmacpherson6101]

@@mecha_mm5027 Akaza also had to fight for everything he had whereas Doma had everything forced upon him.

[@prosperlebyit3538]

douma is basically I didn't die today so its gonna be everybody else's problem

[@Ramsey276one]

Painfully accurate

[@T_E_G]

PLEAsE

[@thisissparta789789]

“Good morning everyone. God has let me live another day, and I’m about to make it everyone’s problem.”

[@FallenDemonFly]

These comments have me wheezing...

[@baphometwingsof666]

He reminds me of Johan Liebert from Monster. He didn't die himself so he brought destruction to the world. Just out of his psychopathic nihilism.

[@MsAnimefan95]

Madman absolutely asked a girl out as she was holding his decapitated head in the afterlife.

[@MewGirlZ]

And dam if I didn't say, "I ship it!" afterwards. XD

[@lilacpen8678]

#Relationshipgoals

[@pooferss6056]

Don't forget that they basically killed each other-

[@twixysnicker7230]

i feel like if in a modern Au they would def be those two people that's like - one wants to lite the other one on fire - but the other is like the "cheerful, happy-go-lucky" jumpy friend that bother the first, but are so similar, they seem like best friends just joking having fun..

[@RedLightz_TV]

The fact people ship this just confuses me and makes me concerned

[@Noah-je2xj]

My favorite part about the character is how he’s similar to shinobu. They both put on a kind and cheerful visage, when underneath that they are both sadistic and manipulative at points. Also, him using the promise of eternal life to his followers just to eat them mirrors how shinobu earlier in the story would offer to “forgive” demons by causing them extreme pain over and over again

[@eigenrauflinog9069]

Facts

[@lofi-lila]

As much as I love Shinobu, she does have strong villain like tendencies at points. Honestly if there was a kny spinoff then I'd love to see shinobu as a demon

[@T_E_G]

@@lofi-lila Imagine she tries to fight Douma as a Demon..

[@josephine2897]

yeah i see that, but i feeeeel like if her sister didn't die she wouldn't feel the need to put on a face and just be more straight forward about her true feelings and such and not be, yuh know, as creepy and off-putting? idk man

[@Noah-je2xj]

The interesting thing about her character is that she never agreed with her sister on demons but feels a need to keep her view of them alive, so she begrudgingly tries to “befriend” them. But unlike doma, she doesn’t hold on to a delusion that it’s actually the right thing, rather she perhaps knowingly or unknowingly uses her memory of kanae, in both her beliefs on demons and how she died, as an excuse for her sadism towards them.

[@jacksonmacpherson6101]

I love how Doma was one of the few demons that the author knew deserved zero sympathy. Almost every other demon became one from desperation or to fill some void, but he threw away his humanity just for the hell of it.

[@solidskullz5736]

Very true but I think kaigaku is worse. Doma at least has the excuse of not having emotions and being used by his parents but kaigaku is a rat bastard who willingly betrayed the demon slayers for a petty reason

[@alexanderkorol677]

What about Enmu and Gyokko?

[@marocat4749]

Doma had no chance and was raised ad cult leader, thats just sad.

[@busycreeper8293]

@@marocat4749 thanks for the compliment 🙂

[@T_E_G]

@@alexanderkorol677 Yeah Enmu was an ass, but I did see people getting slightly sad about his death.

[@solidskullz5736]

Easily one of my favorite characters. He’s basically Akaza’s opposite. He’s a demon in every sense of the word and it makes him a good villain, but that fact that he feels nothing at all makes him interesting too. His backstory isn’t exactly sad but I always felt a little bad for him because of how his parents just used him and would contribute to what he became

[@Destroyer120296]

Prob my second fav antagoist after Kokushibou honestly. Doma was a perfect mix or being horrifying,weird and yet weirdly likable in his own twisted funny way.

[@justinortiz9714]

My fav upper moon 🌛

[@Infernalhypernova]

His backstory is sad because he was basically set up for failure. Everyone else at least had a chance.

[@casslky7008]

I feel kinda pity for him too since he basically feel nothing at all. His ethics were misguided by his parents in his young age since he was not raised normally, the partners, as you said, just used him. His judgment towards what is good or bad was twisted and he didn’t know that at all. Throughout the story, we can see he really thought what he did was an act of “kindness” (eating people so they can live eternally with him). When he finally felt something, it was before his death. Maybe he didn’t care at all but as someone with feelings, I found his life pitiful.

[@fishy3588]

I could understand that, my opinion on him that’s I really hate him because he kill woman and yes that’s is and sorry if that’s the only reason :P

[@MonkeyDLuis-jh1sg]

The thing to love about Douma is he's charismatic and he doesn't have a sad backstory to make the viewer feel sorry for him (altough i do feel sorry for the fact he could have grown up a normal kid if his parents didn't treat him like a god)

[@XPD379]

your comment made me think of him in a new light , thank you.

[@solidskullz5736]

True, his backstory isn’t sad like Akaza and Rui’s but it’s clear as day that being used as a figurehead for his parents’ cult messed him up and helped turn him into what he is now

[@marocat4749]

Douma wasnt helped by his perets making him a scary cult worshipped little kid, which would of course giving the impression to him its just normal, and being not being naturally compassionate he had never a chance to know better. Also he is eeevil fun.

[@johnross5098]

I hate how every demon slayer character has to have some depressing flashback

[@kalo_vera]

I do feel a bit sad for him, but I like how his backstory is more of a contextual one than one that's just sadness and tragedy

[@Decimator69420]

The ironic similarity here is that Dōma’s name means mosquito in Telugu So no wonder he died a quick death

[@ashleyleene9810]

And no wonder why he was so annoying-

[@SonGojit456]

😂 Avuna?

[@sxintst7414]

Quick?

[@xdanime6621]

I wouldn’t call a poison seizure a quick death but aight

[@eigenrauflinog9069]

@@xdanime6621 Absolutely. His death wasn't quick at all. If not for Shinobu's sacrifice, they wouldn't be able to defeat him

[@rapidcore100]

Douma isn't actually blonde. All art colored by Gotogue shows him with silver hair, blonde is just an error by the coloring company

[@T_E_G]

Idk, I always thought he did. It looks rlly good on him tho

[@giyuutomioka6974]

Hm very fascinating and this is a unique detail with most colored manga like how sanemi has grey and white hair in the anime and it's actually peachy colored in the colored manga also in 7 deadly sins this detail is shown via galand of truth whereas he's colored green on the cover but in the anime he's a deep crimson red which looks better in my opinion

[@RipsharkTV]

The dirty blonde looks better

[@LocTran-sc7mm]

@@giyuutomioka6974 ayo galand was green?

[@shadowwhowalk]

Gotouge is frequently consulted on the anime, so the anime design should give us the canon hair color.

[@GiroAureo]

This is why kny is one of my favorites among new gen shonen. Not only does it deliver meaningful themes and philosophies from varied perspectives, but the meaning and allusions behind the lores of each character makes the established ambiance appealing as a story and doma’s character is no exception.

[@eigenrauflinog9069]

I absolutely agree with you

[@lasseheller9863]

Among us

[@T_E_G]

I love how Tanjiro isn’t the main one defeating all these villains by luck or something like that, they all fight with the other main characters/hashira whether it be alone, or by teamwork.

[@skittlesedits9505]

@@T_E_G aa

[@skittlesedits9505]

_WPLA!!W!!!!??1??Q?A?A?A

[@icydouma7044]

What I love about Douma is that he is neither good or evil, he’s just there, wondering his numb and empty soul to adapt to the society. Psychopath like him are known to be very charismatic and sympathic which lead fragile people to come at him and find comfort with him.. no wonder he managed to eats a lot of women thanks to his looks and fake personnality ! Even Kanae said that he is well-mannared and polite with a gentle and calm voice. To me, he’s so fascinating and mysterious.. he’s different from the others upper moons and even tho he’s not a warrior or anything else, he managed to become upper moon 2 which shows how he is smart and strategic. I’m so excited to see him on season 2 !

[@marocat4749]

And people having the antisocial order, are not mslevelent, just upbringing matters more there i guess and effort, Which makes it horrible parenting putting him in charge of a cult.

[@kartikmishra1935]

He is more like a sociopath

[@icydouma7044]

@@kartikmishra1935 In my country (France), a psycopath means someone who doesn’t have empathy, very manipulative, who fake their personnality to attract people to them, doesn’t have close relationship with others and treat them like objects etc…

[@icydouma7044]

@@marocat4749 Yes ! If Douma’s parents didn’t treat him like a cash cow (in my opinion, they used Douma to gain money since he had those rainbow eyes) and instead raised him correctly, he wouldn’t have become a psycopath..

[@catherineabellanosa2118]

He won't really be taking a big part on S2. 😅 Maybe just an appearance here and there. 😁

[@kalo_vera]

Man, DIO really is everywhere isn't he?

[@gregsalinas99]

"Oh my, you're really going to get close enough to be absorbed?" *Shinobu* "I can't kick your ass without getting absorbed" *Doma who has no idea what's about to happen* "Then come as close as you like!"

[@akaza.3597]

Dio is mid

[@dancho0012]

@@akaza.3597 What does mid mean

[@akaza.3597]

@@dancho0012 decent

[@christopherwest8785]

@@akaza.3597 you saying this on the wrong channel

[@a1rg3ar31]

If only Demon Slayer's pacing wasn't so lighting fast, we could've gotten an entire arc with Doma and his cult as the villains.

[@justasentientmclarenp1879]

I always felt that demon slayer was way to quick.

[@kasinokaiser1319]

Yeah same, I was wishing that Doma or the other upper moons could have been mini-Muzans each with their own rank of demons to command since we know that the upper moons can turn humans into demons as well

[@SunGodNika-bi2jr]

@Yrj art Demon Slayer could have lasted as long if not longer than Inuyasha

[@私はクソな中国人です]

Longer =/= better

[@UnholyWrath3277]

Eh while I wish upper moon 1 and Muzan got a little more time between them it ended about when it should have. Shows like dragon ball go far to long and become stale at best and downright terrible at worst imo

[@madambutterfly1997]

His mother violently bisected his father and he didn’t even flinch.

[@theodor.thegreat3911]

"C'mon,mom!You dirtied the walls!" ...I'm not even kidding,he thought that

[@runfast4183]

Dissected

[@Awesomeficationify]

@@runfast4183 bi = 2, sect = parts a.k.a cut in half

[@malakzaiter2291]

"Ew, now the carpets are beyond saving. Honestly mother, you could have killed him outside. Those were persian carpets! Whatever, servants I want this dead thing off my floor by dinner!"

[@sombimcjunior4451]

666 likes lmaoo

[@omegarebirth7281]

While Douma stabbing himself reminded me of DIO I was sure that him recalling memories by specifically hurting his brain was a reference to Shinobu from Monogatari

[@alvisyahrin2276]

I swear if Douma isn't voiced by Takehito Koyasu, then i will eat my shoe

[@zukosvfx]

@@alvisyahrin2276 This needs to happen

[@majapanasewicz2625]

@@alvisyahrin2276 😬

[@solm.6184]

i really like the fight with douma. shinobu: finally expresses her bottled up anger towards the demon that took her sister. she successfully, after death, takes him down. kanae: she was psychologically broken from abuse as a child. she couldn’t cry when kanao died and she felt guilty for it. she didn’t talk and it seemed like she had no emotion but she simply couldn’t express herself properly. she couldn’t even speak or think for herself. in this battle, she acknowledges that she has feelings and is more human than ever. the psychological string that was one broken was repaired during this fight. inosuke: he repeatedly believed he wasn’t human. he didn’t remember who his mother was so he believed he didn’t have a human mother but rather an animal. in every near death experience, (eg the spider father), he remembered someone telling him to keep living and falling off a cliff. he didn’t know who said it but it’s there as comfort and encouragement. shinobu would make pinky promises with him. he thought he had met shinobu before bc he remembered someone telling him about pinky promises beforehand. he didn’t know who it was though. douma revealed everything about his mother. his mother would sing a song about pinky promises. she loved inosuke so much but she dropped him from a cliff, apologizing and begging him to survive the fall. she was killed by douma shortly after. douma acknowledged she was a very beautiful woman with a kind and gentle personality. inosuke puts all his broken memories together and finds his humanity. all of these realizations bc of a true psychopath. someone who never felt emotions even as a human. someone who “wasn’t” human.

[@eigenrauflinog9069]

I absolutely agree with you. This is one of the great fights during Infinity fortress arc.

[@crossovermultiverse3882]

Yassss, agreeddd

[@solm.6184]

@@eigenrauflinog9069 i was so glad to see shinobu finally express her anger. her mask of happiness and cuteness was odd because it just wasn’t her. it was a coping mechanism. i feel like she felt so much pressure come off of her shoulders when she released all the anger that was torturing her all along. inosuke finally being vulnerable and cries while kanao expresses anger and sadness when she was practically a statue. omg i love this fight so much i can’t wait til it’s animated

[@River_Frost]

You mixed up kanae and kanao

[@miscellaneousmisty7041]

100% agree with this, Gotouge was such a great writer for making all these comparisons and pairs was just beautiful

[@robo_soldier8268]

man died and straight up was like, "oh hey, this is pretty neat!"

[@Zerobasssoul]

Utterly masterful how Doma was written a true molded demon in the most beautiful way nearly rivals my love for Sessosyin Kiara

[@carlweeper7436]

I love kiara more due to two big assets she has

[@jamalisujang2712]

You have unbirth/vore fetish?

[@ryangodina3525]

@@carlweeper7436 based

[@WitchNakime]

everyone is hating him, but i feel pity for him... Not being able to live a normal life, being broken but faking hapiness, not knowing pain which makes him unable to understand others... He is a bastard, but it's not his fault at all... while other demons had a difficult past and became demon doing worst things... Doma's human life was almost the same as his demon life : Being an empty shell looking to find an emotions and thinking that maybe if he fakes them, one day he'll feel one...

[@thesnatcher3616]

If anything, that makes his story the most tragic of all. He was doomed from the very start.

[@queenarialya]

@@thesnatcher3616 yeah

[@mikailthomas1466]

"the demon will lie, the demon will use words he doesn't really know. If he gets desperate enough, he may even start to rhyme, or dance" -Uncle Ruckus.

[@Lakefront_Khan]

"No relation."

[@leongarcia4041]

I fucking love uncle ruckus

[@mikailthomas1466]

"We must now use these tools the great sun god has given us: wistaria, crimson ore, and finally knowledge."

[@mikailthomas1466]

What if he marries her?! What if he gets a brother/sister that's half demon?!

[@mikailthomas1466]

"Everybody join in, use your powerful hands!"

[@waterking74]

Everyone hated doma even his own “allies” and his “god” doesn’t even care about him

[@acjnse8258]

Gyokko was kind of the only person that tolerated Douma

[@eigenrauflinog9069]

@@acjnse8258 yup, they're besties

[@Jonas-jx3kw]

@@acjnse8258 no they all tolerated him except akaza

[@Jonas-jx3kw]

he doesnt care about them easier he is emotionless

[@the_apotecary_from_tf2]

And he still didn't gave a shit The mad man

[@illbetheactressstarringaty3783]

Douma deserves 2nd spot because he is literally every demon slayer's weakness, since he can manipulate the wind that they breath and destroys their lungs, which makes them unable to do any breathing techniques

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

I think that Dōma was not born apathetic, he became that way after everyone spilled their hearts out to him and by the time of his parents deaths; he had heard so much wickedness and misery that he was numb to it.

[@Grimexx955]

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[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

@@Grimexx955 thx

[@crossovermultiverse3882]

But he is clinically diagnosed as apathetic at 2:21 .

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

@@crossovermultiverse3882 that's not how clinical diagnosises work

[@Grimexx955]

@@crossovermultiverse3882 Nor is that what Alexithymia is

[@bloodboundalpha1303]

I love the little shit.

[@Melqhii]

😂

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

Doma I would say is a lot like Obanai in many ways. Main differences was how he was reared. Doma was essentially raised in great luxury as a young cult leader/messiah. When you spend pretty much your entire childhood, and young adulthood basically being treated like a God for your eyes and hair on top of a natural inhibition to feel emotional. He is essentially immune to feeling guilt, fear, pain, remorse, or even satisfaction for very long.

[@thereisnothing9165]

Actually, your point on him helping people genuinely makes sense still. Psychopaths usually have their variant of love or a twisted expression of it.

[@kathycoleman4648]

Yes, this. It isn't that Douma has no feelings or desires or ways of expressing himself. Rather, it's that all of those things come out in ways that the average person either wouldn't understand or would find abhorrent. 1. Turning Daki and Gyutaro: to us as humans that's nightmarish because it means two more demons trying to eat us. To Douma or Muzan it means two more demons in their ranks. To Gyutaro and Daki it meant another chance at life. 2. Douma enjoyed Kotoha's company and intended for her to life out her full lifespan. Her finding out that he was a demon was a tragedy. And he even tried to reason with her, but she grabbed Inosuke and fled. He obviously couldn't have a woman running around and telling people that the leader of a local religious organization was a demon. So while we obviously think its wrong, he did what he felt was necessary. 3. His borderline desperation to befriend the other upper moons at the meeting at the start of season three is almost palpable. Good or evil, it's easy to see that he does feel solitude. It's also easy to see that he doesn't gel with people by how Gyokko reacts to how Douma is using the vase he gave him, and how it's after he talks about keeping a woman's face in a jar that Akaza decks him.

[@arh1315]

Akaza and douma’s relationship Is just the demon version of tomioka and shinobu

[@Lauren_567]

Wait, I think your onto sumn 🤔

[@thepillar_2864]

One sad thing about Doma is he could've lived a simple life where he could learn the gist of emotions and maybe even feel them. But his parents really did a number on him and because of them, he grew not learning about virtues but instead lies. His parents created a bad example to him and he lived that example. He had too many responsibilities as a child and nobody understands him. His parents were really bad role models and that's why Doma had no freedom to decide truly for himself.

[@crossovermultiverse3882]

He is clinically apathetic (born without being able to feel emotions, but his body can do emtional responses) seen at 2:21 , if his parents havent made that stupid cult, will he be still be a bad person?

[@Error-hx9ze]

Crossover Multiverse he probably at most can live as a functioning member of society

[@crossovermultiverse3882]

@@Error-hx9ze true but would he still manipulate people?

[@Error-hx9ze]

@@crossovermultiverse3882 Depend if he need it or not tbh

[@crossovermultiverse3882]

@@Error-hx9ze well i hope not actually bc manipulation itself is wrong.. so sorry if i seemed to be arguing with you about Doma. He is really hard to understand... it was said he is a psychopath when he was born but he may be sociopath bc of his horrible parents and the lack of emotions. Yea if a person that lack emotions can still live functionably in society if not for the stupid cult and his fking sick parents...

[@namelessuser9585]

The reasons of the 3 iconic upper moons to turn into a demon Kokushibo/Michikatsu: i want to be stronger than my brother, my brother was born with too many blessings coming from the gods, so i must find my way to the top by myself Akaza/Hakuji: i lost any hope on humanity, i lost my future wife, my master, my father, i wasted years wishing to be dead when suddenly that guy appeared and turned me into a demon... Dōma: i don't know bro, i was bored so i thought it will be fun to be a dem- hold up, is that a woman? :)

[@briantutorial_]

I personally feel like as much as Dōma is an asshole. The narrative people drive of him having no tragic backstory at all is completely ridiculous. When he was born every second of every day of his life he was forced to attempt to fix other peoples problems, all the while being warshiped as a messenger of god. It is my belief that he wasn't detatched from his emotions from birth, but he was forced to grow detatched from them due to his circumstances. All the while knowing everything he was feeding them was a load of complete bullshit and having to keep up the act because its all he has ever known. Looking at Dōma as a character my second time reading through the manga I honestly feel he has one of the saddest backstories of any of the demons. I also believe, were he born under different circumstances that he could've actually been a good person. All the way until the end of his life he was never allowed to feel a true emotion until he fell in love with shinobu, and maybe even started to regret what he had done.

[@Devorador_de_sonhos]

No, it is clear from the beginning of Douma's origin that he has no feelings, not because of the situation he lived in, he was simply born that way. He found the people who saw him in search of divine salvation as pathetic, at no time did Douma give the impression that he felt forced to do what he did, even because he had no appreciation for his parents to feel the need to do that for them. Douma is simply a demon who does not have a tragic past, he is a terrible person and that's it.

[@lorddragonskin3603]

Doma kinda reminds of Doma/Duma (very ironic I know) from Fire Emblem Gaiden/SoV. Long story less short, Duma's a divine dragon (a very specific race of dragons in the FE canon) whose cult basically worships strength to the point of losing all form of kindness and love. As time passed on however, both him and his cult became degenarate: Duma due to his longevity (dragons go crazy after some millenia pass in FE canon), and his Faithful in recurring to sacrificing their souls or even those of other people (remember no kindness?) becoming Arcanists, Cantors or Witches that can use Dark, Reanimation and Summoning magic. Of yeah, almost, forgot to say... Duma (Dragon) is also basically invincible to anything, just like Doma (Demon) is basically invincible. He is weak to two things though: the Valentian Falchion (a dragon slaying sword passed down by, ironically, Duma's lineage) [Nichirin Blades] and the Nosferatu spell (a life draining spell, coded to always have a fixed hit rate, which overlooks the coding that prevents everything else from hitting Duma; that later became canon in SoV, intentionally built in this time) [Wisteria Poison].

[@logpier7668]

Doma was by far one of my favorite demons during the last arcs

[@scarjaisero4716]

I love Doma, I know a lot of people hate him but I think he is so cool. It's so facinating how his mind works.

[@BleachFactory]

I honestly like Douma more than Akaza. Although Akaza’s backstory is sad I kinda feel like it was a way for us to feel bad and forgive him. Whether or not this was intentional most of the fandom just started kissing Akaza’s feet after his backstory as if he didn’t kill people too. I like how Douma is just evil without any form of redemption but still manages to be an interesting and entertaining character without needing a sad backstory like every other character.

[@tylerblox99496]

As much as I hate Doma I can appreciate his role as a pure evil antagonist. I even like him more than Muzan.

[@HetaClaude]

well he did *technically* have a tragic backstory by virtue of being groomed by his parents into becoming a cult figurehead to pray to + witnessing his own parents' deaths. though whether or not he sees it as such is what makes him unique from the other characters, yeah

[@BleachFactory]

@@HetaClaude yeah he does have one but it’s not portrayed as one to us?? Idk how to explain it. But it sucks tbh since his backstory never gets mentioned as much as the others when it explains why he is the way he is

[@HetaClaude]

@@BleachFactory oh defo! it's not portrayed as one because it's in his perspective, so he counts as an unreliable narrator. but to any other person, you kinda understand that he was in a fucked up situation that made him the way he is.

[@sxintst7414]

Akaza >>>>>

[@Okkotsu86275]

The Author did great work in making me despise this character, great villain.

[@gracieeee458]

He has a sad backstory he just didn’t feel anything abt it

[@UnholyWrath3277]

I feel like In his own fucked up way he really did view akaza as his best friend. Douma clearly had never had a friend before and obviously wouldn't know what a real friendship feels like and he did show some interest in trying to hang out with the other upper moons be it gyokko hantengu or even nakime. It's not outside the realm of possibility he defined akaza as his best friend even knowing how much akaza hated him

[@MrPyrosphere]

Shinobu did not go to hell with Doma! She went to heaven, where her sister and parents were! It is shown later on as well! She said after you but she never followed! Why would she spend her eternity with a guy she hated so much?

[@malakzaiter2291]

Probably to watch as akaza finds him there and proceed to beat the living crap out of him while she cheered him on and koyuki stood watching awkwardly. Akaza and shinobu could have bonded over their mutual hate for that bastard.

[@CoFFee-uw5sv]

@Ashu Mishra it exists in the kny verse

[@yandereboyenthusiast8149]

I think they probably reincarnated anyways- Since, at the end of the manga, you can see Shinobu and Kanae’s reincarnations. Perhaps the kizuki were reincarnated too but Gotoge didn’t say, so I guess we don’t know.

[@MrPyrosphere]

@@yandereboyenthusiast8149 Well yes, that I know. I just don't get why people think Shinobu and Doma ended up together! It's just weird! I don't doubt that all the human and good natured characters got reincarnated. Including some demons.

[@yandereboyenthusiast8149]

@@MrPyrosphere I think it’s more so shipping rather than thinking they were or should end up together lol. Any person can see that their relationship would be a disaster, but people like it because it would be entertaining to read about.

[@iamhungey12345]

Doma and Hantengu are basically the kind of characters one can love to hate. I mean the one main reason to appreciate them is the fact that they show how not every demons have sympathetic backgrounds which the anime only watchers will soon find out.

[@spirostsiggenopoulos6385]

Gyokko as well

[@ValeriePersonalReal]

can we get a kokushibou video he feels like an under-discussed character

[@jorantheamazing]

God I can't wait for the Akaza vid. His arc makes me cry literally every time

[@ander5917]

man i wish this series wasnt so damn short. So many good characters with unique and buildable traits that only appear for a couple chapters.

[@booo8042]

even the author still adding some information about some upper demon even the manga is already finish like how nakime become a demon and how hantengu become a demon or how gyokko become a demon. if there's something I hate about demon slayer is the pacing and how they use the character at least give them more time and see others perspective like some old gen demon slayers.

[@Brutalyte616]

Doma is a weird case where he's utterly contemptible, not because he's genuinely malicious, but because he's generally so apathetic to everything around him that we as human beings can only describe him as evil because he's so divorced from our concept of morality that nothing else is really applicable; he is not good, he feels nothing for his actions, and those actions are almost universally negative to those around him, so he HAS to be evil. And while his ending is cathartic because he finally gets his comeuppance for everything he's done, there's a weird sense of charm and hope to Doma being greeted by Shinobu and discovering the afterlife, because he's finally found this wondrous place that he's only ever heard stories about from people who never went there. And his excitement towards seeing Shinobu and genuinely wanting her to tour Hell with him demonstrates that he really isn't evil, because not only is he not upset, he's grateful to Shinobu for this new experience she's given him. And it also kind of undermines the finality of their relationship, with Doma practically teasing her with his childish wonderment and Shinobu having to accept that they're both already dead so inevitably she's going to have to learn to live with his etetnal existence and his newfound feelings for her; even if she drops him in Hell and moves on to Heaven, she's going to have to spend eternity dreading the idea that Doma is pining for her and that he might inevitably atone for his sins, gaining the opportunity to follow after her into Heaven or into the cycle of reincarnation. Her consternation with the idea of Doma being happy mirrors the feeling some readers finding Doma, a character who by all rights should be an utterly contemptible bastard that you live to hate and see suffer, becoming bizarrely likable and adorable.

[@simeonwashington9995]

Can we get a video on Akaza next? Really loved this look into Doma's character and I love the parallels between him and the Buddha and his techniques being in reference to lotuses and the cold hells.

[@gabrielleon9059]

Idk why, but the fact that muzan sees kokushibou as a business partner is wierdly wholesome

[@alexanderboags4700]

Hope to see Tamayo and Yushiro soon.

[@taco7355]

douma’s parents: **both died horrific bloody deaths** douma: excUse me you’re messing up my worship room 🔫 >:(

[@drama-addictic6462]

“The Boihazard, blood-bloated, black-hearted, budda-benefactor Doma” - damn

[@jbcutie]

This is such a well-researched, detailed analysis. Thank you for giving us the historical references behind the character of Douma and his attacks. Well done.

[@ft.rxndom4168]

I love when some villains are just evil, no backstory, just evil. The majority of villains in stories always have a super sad backstory that explains some of their really horrible personalities but sometimes having a villain with zero sympathy is just great

[@robertgherghe8480]

Meti just wanna tell you that you create the greatest videos on youtube

[@Ramsey276one]

Fully agreed

[@a_jerry808]

Not only is The manga you cover amazing, your Analysis is fucking Brilliant. I love your videos and play them on repeat sometimes because of how informative and indepeth you go for them. Keep up the great work.

[@asmaaebrahim7979]

Out of every character Douma was absolutely similar with Kanao she was a hollow shell due to the abuse inflicted on her she had emotions but didn’t know how express them While Douma pretend to have emotions he’s nothing but an empty shell it was hella amusing when Kanao roasted him for it I absolutely agree with the video regarding their whole special eye similarities

[@SqualorOpera]

This dude: there’s a term for being emotionally apathetic but having your body still create an emotional response. Me: **called out noises**

[@SqualorOpera]

Guys I googled it and apparently it’s prominent in people with autism and depression. As someone with both, I’m getting a little uncomfy.

[@Mishka.Lebedev]

How much he is of a crazy psychopath monster he truly is, you still gotta admit when he was a baby he looks so adorable ( at least if somebody where to ever ask me about it )!!!

[@schabowy6149]

Douma's such a complex and fascinating character he could have his own anime.

[@twanwinstrong4978]

At the end of the day. Douma is just a jojo reference.

[@zayedalhamed3989]

I've been posting Douma stuff here lately because I thought he's a very underrated character as opposed to his upper moon buddies above or below him. When we talk about character backgrounds of the UMs in KnY, the fandom often cite Koku and Akaza as some of the most well done and tragic, even Daki and Gyutaro's. So this post is about giving love to the character back ground of our resident gorgeous cult leader, Douma. With that said, I often see the fandom brush off Douma's background, stating that it's not really "sad" or interesting and usually overlooked because of Douma's lack of emotions, but I think his story is quite sad and tragic. One might think: "Well Douma lived a lavish life, he wasn't poor and he even was worshipped so it isn't really bad right?". I personally don't think so. Douma, from the moment he was born, was abused and taken advantage of, his platinum blonde hair, rainbow eyes and angelic face seemed like a blessing, but in reality was a curse. Because of his physical oddities, his parent's greed was amplified, Douma was seated as the leader of a cult at a very young age, a child that couldn't distinguish between right or wrong yet his very occupation was to be a mediator for the thousands of members of the cult, listening to their problems, their agonies every single day. The heaviest responsibility was put on his shoulder from the get go. It didn't help that Douma, aside from his otherworldly physical appearance, was bestowed with extreme intelligence (this was also shown with his fight against Shinobu, Inosuke and Kanao; but that's another story), he was aware of the intentions of the people around him, he knew that their admiration and faith in him was for self-fulfilment and selfish reasons, his parents were fake people and so were the people around him; but Douma still beared and listen to their daily whinings. His father was involved in adultery with the females of the cult, his mother was a bat-shit crazy woman that eventually killed his father. These negative things that happened to Douma further explained why he lack sympathy and empathy and why he didn't bother actively seek them, he didn't believe that the world was fair and that the people who do bad things could get away and live to the fullest. The world was unfair. There's no good or bad karma, and heaven nor hell didn't exist. Hence, while he was a cult leader, he never developed a God complex, but instead was ironically an "atheist". Douma couldn't develop emotions and bond to people because he wasn't shown any in his lifetime, he was just a tool for his parents and followers, and Douma knew it very well but he was fine with it. It's sad that it took Shinobu's genuine hatred and anger for Douma to finally feel SOMETHING. Douma could've turned out to be a completely different person had he met someone like Shinobu who, instead of hatred, harbored genuine love and kindness for him during the times when he was still a human.

[@deathshop2172]

honestly, I kind of love Doma, mostly because I feel like I can relate somewhat. at least once per month, but never more than twice, I'll tend to have a full mental breakdown, where my mind analyzes the feelings I'm feeling from my body reactions alone. this causes me great distress, but even then, at my core, I feel apathy. it's horrifying, and scary, and to live like that for my entire life would be terrible. honestly, Doma is one of the most tragic characters in Demon slayer. even though he's a bastard. a child, living a meaningless existence, denied what we all feel, DESPERATELY wanting to understand what it is to feel anything but absolute apathy. It's so indescribably sad to me. Those days where emotion doesn't reach my brain are the worst days in my life. Imagining living my whole life like that is my worst nightmare. Just, meaningless, helpless, going through the motions because I have to. helping people because I want to, but never deriving any satisfaction from it. knowing I'm excited or stressed by thinking: "oh wow, my heart rate sped up back there, how interesting, I must be excited" and anything else. It scares me. hell on earth, that's what I'd call it. goddamn, poor Doma. doesn't excuse anything he did, but still. poor Doma. whatever Icy hell he's canonically in will probably be heaven on earth compared to his actual life, if it truly makes him feel.

[@marocat4749]

He is a bastard , but its really sad how unlike others he was doomed from the start, and his parents did give him the worst possible thing you give to a child, power over a cult, and not letting him figure out on his terms emotions.

[@DIYisntDead]

You may be experiencing periods of dissociation. It might be helpful to look it up and see if it reflects your experience. Theres also grounding techniques that can do to help when experiencing it.

[@narayasuiryoku1397]

As a half apathetic guy, I can tell you it's not as bad as you think

[@deathshop2172]

@@DIYisntDead I have tried a few of those, and they help sometimes

[@ThisChannelisClosed469]

no, douma is not most tragic character. yeah, Douma have Tragic Past, but Douma's past is no excuse.

[@Akiraspin]

Doma Grindset: "Do not be part of the problem. Be the entire problem."

[@sumvivus6199]

His blood demon art was so cool. I like how the author made him so freaking op, the last fight was still rushed tho

[@maxik6960]

douma backstory is pretty tragic and his trauma is overlook. he clearly had childhood trauma that led him to become emotionless. sociopath was not born without emotion it cause from trauma from his childhood.he was being used by his parent to make cult , dehumanized by his followers that treat him as god but not as human.imagine the pressure he felt to listen others problem 24/2 .yalls braindead dont understand his charac. he even fake his emotion for the hope to feel the real emotion one day

[@vinsarrow]

Honestly Doma didn't feel evil to me in a traditional sense because he quite frankly couldn't understand the concept. From birth he lacked feeling & empathy, born into a twisted cult that warped his world view, when he encountered Muzan & became a demon it almost lined up too perfectly with what he understood of the world. He seemed doomed for the role of a demon from the start, but even while as a demon he tried to fulfil the wishes of his followers, in his own distorted way of bringing them the paradise they so desired. Most of those he fought literally had little concept of grasping his 200+ year old built up indoctrinated from birth viewpoint, not that they cared to try much. When Kanao calls him out for his lack of emotions it felt rather hypocritical in a way, if Kanao met Muzan in her husk state instead of her adoptive sisters, she very easily could've ended up just like Doma, perhaps even worse of a demon then him. Furthermore there's a point in the story where Doma could've literally changed the outcome of the entire story in favor of the demons, all on a mere whim. When the upper moons are called to a meeting Upper Moon 2 Doma offers to go with his fellow Upper Moons to assault the forge village. If they didn't interrupt & deny him, it's highly likely their attack would've been a massive success. Eliminating the forge, killing a few pillars, wounding or killing Tanjiro & possibly even capturing Nezuko.

[@flarekheanzzero8145]

You have a good point. If they just agreed to him in the first place then demons will have the biggest upperhand in the war. No tanjiro, nezuko, kanroji and tokito then easy win

[@crossovermultiverse3882]

Agreed :)

[@barnismyname915]

Yeah, it was quite dumb to not bring him to ensure the destruction of the village. He could've gotten so much done with little effort.

[@sirloin6856]

The top 3 Upper Moons are such interesting characters

[@DrZeroToHero]

I knew Doma reminded me of Dio and your explanation completely helped me understand why I like doma so much, it’s cause I like Dio so much

[@chax4941]

amazing video, doma is my favorite demon and I really love how you shared every refference and explained everything. outstanding knowledge. and yes, everything is a jojo refference.

[@lt3997]

Douma is actually my favourite demon, to me he was even more of an unfeeling demon than muzan.

[@siaskies1704]

An interesting aspect of Doma's character is that he is one of very few demons to truly remember life as a human. There's no haze or confusion about "before," and he never had a personality change like most demons did. He just.. stayed the same. Living like he always did in his eternal paradise cult. It didn't make a difference to him if he was human or demon.

[@sifiz467]

Douma, my favorite character in the whole series

[@christhechilled]

Doma appearance in this manga made the series more tolerable than it already was. Such a good villain that I would rather him be a main bad guy over Muzan.

[@youngimpact0426]

All I can imagine is that fire house scene from incredibles but replaced with muzan screaming at Doma "You're out of ice?! You can't run out of ice I thought you could use the water in the air!"

[@Mirza-ti4zw]

I absolutely fking despise him... which is exactly why I love his character

[@jayphangx8742]

Hey, Meti, can you do an analysis of characters from SMT Nocturne? Isamu and his reason were really interesting, and seeing you do an analysis would be really cool

[@dogeeatsveggies]

Gotoge sensei is so freaking amazing. you can actually see how he mirrors every 2 opposing fighters in a way

[@MewGirlZ]

And a glorious bastard he is. Really looking forward to seeing him animated.

[@hanadunn7297]

Thanks for the synopsis of my favorite villain and pointing out another Jojo reference! Though in all honesty I thought Tengen was the only Jojo reference. Very interesting video.

[@FunkyFreshYT]

I thought the Cold Winter Princesses were in reference to the daughters that Mara, the lord of the desire realm in Buddhism, sent to the Buddha in order to seduce him to ruin his enlightenment. I thought this was the case because you made some callbacks to Doma and his referencing to Buddhism.

[@mariagabi2481]

I really hate when people call Douma a psycopath, because having dificulty felling emotions don't make you a psycopath. Douma never acted vilely as a human, he literally lived his whole life for others to a point he didn't had his own indentity. If killing and eating people without felling sorry make you a psycopath so every demon is a psycopath, Douma had a twisted view of life and believed that eating people was a way of saving then, and he preferes to eat women because he thinks they're more nutritious not because he hates women or think they're weak

[@ethatsgoodwine5888]

17:15 Shinobus reaction is priceless.

[@lightspeed7312]

I genuinely feel bad for Douma. It's not his fault he turned out like this. It's the fault of the people that raised him and the people that worshipped him.I wish he was born into a normal family but I'm curious what would happen if he was born into Obanai's family.

[@Vee_Sheep]

dude finally feels something after dying, that being love, and asks a girl on a date to Hell smooth i envy his confidence lmao

[@nonobono8249]

I need his coinfidence, like seriously my dudes coinfidence is simply unmatched

[@DontCryDontCryGG]

Great video. I think this was needed since he is misunderstood and only hated for killing Shinobu but you should also make one about Muzan. This is an unpopular opinion but I feel like he is a good villain and not as bad as some people think. People only say he has a trash backstory compared to upper 1,3 and his reasons for his actions are trash but then again I think he doesn’t need any reasons. He is written to be hated, describes himself as a natural disaster and is a sadistic and egotistical which works pretty well in my eyes. Sure the tentacle spam is pretty whack but aside from that it’s really refreshing to see someone as brutal and sadistic as him again and somehow he kinda reminds me of other villains that have similar personalities like Frieza from Dragonball for example. I love how he just refuses to die and you see how everyone hates him and prepared their entire lifes just to take this heartless monster with 0 humanity in him down. I don’t want to go too deep into it but I think you get the point and the only thing that disappoints me about Muzan is how we don’t know That much about him despite him being over 1000 years old.

[@aguythatplayscardgames1181]

I know he was written to be hated but I just can’t help but love the guy, he’s definitely top 5 for me

[@aguythatplayscardgames1181]

I love characters who doesn’t have a care in the world and mix that with a psychopath, another character trait that I love you make a character that I can’t hate

[@zacharyriley4561]

Actually, Douma was written to be either hated or sympathized. I think Kaigaku and Hantengu were the primary bastards.

[@aguythatplayscardgames1181]

@@zacharyriley4561 yes

[@Sealdeam]

@@zacharyriley4561 Enmu too, there hardly anything to like about him, he even dies lamenting not being able to kill Tanjiro really one of the few demons without anything to lash onto as far as redeeming characteristics.

[@agent92o38]

The truth is that Doma is the most saddest character in whole Demon slayer series You see he didn't felt anything no sadness, sorrow, happiness, fear or anger a little emotion he felt for Humans is that "I feel pity for these people thinking that God is real" He was treated like god all day in his worshipping room it's like no freedom I understand he was treated like god but that doesn't change the fact that he was in freedom he felt useless after seeing humans making him as god and so he did thought that he might be god's child So he turned into demon and turning others into demons and thinking he did was right and so after becoming a demon his face, body, hair or personality didn't changed but it remains the same because he was already cold He never got a normal childhood because of his parents he never had any emotions but one emotion Boredness he always felt even after treating like a god

[@thepillar_2864]

One thing people don't notice about Doma is that he's not dumb, he's not just arrogant, he's a mastermind. People are mad at h for killing Shinobu with no feelings for killing her at all, and what do you expect? He's not like Akaza, he's Upper Moon 2, where he is himself. A lot of people hate him for not being able to feel emotions, cam you blame him though? He was born like that, he didn't choose to have that condition. But the main thing that people forget about him is that he's not dumb, he's not stupid. He's a tactical manipulative mastermind, where he puts a fake smile and a contented face not only to fake his emotions, but to also mislead his opponents, making them think that he's just a emotionless nobody, I think that's very clever, he uses his disadvantages as advantages in order to defeat his opponents. Along with his Blood Demon Art, most of its purpose is not to hurt his opponents as fast as possible but to irritate and dismay his opponents while he gathers information from them for relevant use. He doesn't just recklessly fight someone unlike other demons, he first gathers potential information from them so he can later defeat his opponents with ease. He's always careful about his next moves so he can find as much openings to his opponents. Despite him still being clever and smart, he has flaws in himself as well. Because of his ego thinking that he's smarter than his opponents, he underestimated Kanao and Inosuke while fighting them. He also didn't think that Shinobu was a threat because she was small, of course Shinobu is also very smart and was one step ahead of Doma which led to Doma's defeat. Doma as a character is very beautiful and well written. He's difficult to understand because he looks innocent and reckless outside but he's a manipulative mastermind inside, he's easily one of the best villains in the anime because of his wit and cleverness despite looking so arrogant and prideful. He deserves my praise to him and I wish a lot of people could've understand his character more than hating him for killing Shinobu. Doma is the best villain in my opinion and is my favorite demon.

[@justas423]

Doma's absolute lack of emotions kind of reminds me of No Longer Human (or atleast the Junji Ito adaptation). Both the protagonist and Doma didn't get humans and had to fake an entire personality until one person saw through them.

[@Icedragon-hf4nv]

I was waiting for this one for a while, loved the liquid snake vid btw.

[@liaraion6038]

Douma is a well made character, i despise him with all my being especially for the reasons that inosuke and shinobu are one of my favorites characters but even though he's a good villain that doesn't make him my favorite one, i can understand why some people like him as a character but when i see people feel pity for him and his backstory i cant feel the same since i never felt pity for him, not even once. He's a good character, but not one meant to be loved

[@gigabyteguru2452]

Fun fact, Doma's iris type (more or less) actually exists and has a name: sectoral heterochromatic eyes.

[@wheresprototype3507]

We didn't get enough of these characters and it would have been nice to have them in a previous arc like upper moon 3

[@eigenrauflinog9069]

Maybe anime will add more scenes of them just like original episode for Rengoku in season 2 so don't worry too much. Can't wait to see all the Uppermoon demons in the Uppermoon meeting.

[@MiriNameThief]

Every main char in the swordsmith village arc would be dead if muzan let douma go with hantengu and gyokko 💀

[@joshuacouture479]

The fact that all that remained of Doma was his head, could be a reference to Dio as well.

[@Mayankdubeydbz]

After Yorichi he is the best written character as a demon

[@jaimeedowell1383]

Domas parents forced him to be a cult leader from infancy and made him listen to adults talk to him about their problems. He detached from the situation thus he became unable to feel emotions and he turned into a true psychopath

[@slimeknight6726]

Doma is an absolute bastard but you gotta admit He got taste for falling for shinobu

[@Troleandocreyentes]

A blonde vampire like psicopat, with ice theme attacks… did you think I was DIO but no it was me, Douma.

[@aussiepuppet5250]

Now of my biggest criticisms of Demon Slayer is that we didn't get enough of Doma. He's the second most powerful Demon Moon, but his death and his fight was REALLY underwhelming compared to I'm disappointed he didn't get a whole arc dedicated to the Demon Slayers infiltrating his cult it along with multiple Hashiras. It could've been an amazing set-up for the final battle, and what really gets Muzan panicking when his second strongest demon being killed. Honestly the rushed, consecutive boss battles in the final DS arc are what I dislike the most. The moons could've had SO MUCH more time work, just like Daki & Gyutaro

[@aussiepuppet5250]

@Elico 2589 I hope so. I really love the demon slayer manga and I hope to god that the anime improves on it's already impressive story.

[@crimsonxxvip]

I agree. I also wish that there's an arc revolving Douma's cult. I wish the author expanded his character more, his relationship with his followers and his relationship with Kotoha. Douma is the most interesting DS character to me.

[@Sealdeam]

To me those 3 fights were pretty good both regarding the action and the interactions of all characters involved, Kimetsu peaked in those fights; I don't argue that they could had further explored Doma and Kokushibo though (Akaza had the perfect amount of time IMO). Kimetsu tripped just as it was to arrive to the goal, that final fight and also to a lesser degree that Nakime was pretty much a waste of a character are a shame really.

[@Ryprovis]

My all time favorite Demon! You rock good sir :)

[@junkoenoshima6756]

Now I can just imagine Shinobu and Doma hanging out in hell just chilling

[@SmudgeBloke1448]

This was so good, please do more of these for the rest of the kizuki 🙏

[@arinloche858]

Doma's is one of my favorite because I absolutely HATE him. Even Muzan, the main big bad, I would give more sympathy despite how horrible he is. But something about Doma just makes me want to give him zero empathy.

[@tiagomuller1811]

Dōma was the best villain of Demon Slayer. It sad a lot of people say hea weaker than Akaza because they don't realize how powerful Shinobu's poison was and he still could take Inosuke and Kanao at the same time

[@xchafa]

there’s a reason he’s upper moon 2 the author literally told us the ranking 😭