Metyr, the God that Fled Placidusax | Elden Ring DLC Lore

Man, Elden Ring really is Bloodborne 2...
One of the biggest lore revelations from the Elden Ring DLC involve Metyr, who we learn is the daughter of the Greater Will itself and the mother of all Two Fingers and the Fingercreepers. But I think Metyr is an even more important figure than we might have realized.
In this video, I make the case for why Metyr, the Mother of Fingers, was also the mysterious god that fled Dragonlord Placidusax. I also think she was attacked by the Nox, with a piece of her becoming the Fingerslayer Blade. After all, what better way to harm the Greater Will and its vassals than with a piece of the Greater Will’s own kin?
So join me as I explain the lore and story for Metyr, the Mother of Fingers.
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[@garrulousgoldmask]

Hey yinz! I thought I’d address two common critiques of the theory outlined in the video: “The Fingerslayer Blade was born of a corpse, so it obviously can't be Metyr" However, the Fingerslayer Blade was “a blade said to have been born of a corpse.” Note the “said." In other words, it's hearsay and a belief in the Lands Between that the Fingerslayer Blade was made out of a corpse, not necessarily a confirmed fact. And the base game has already pulled something similarly with the fell god and the One-Eyed Shield: “Once worshipped by the giants, this evil deity is believed to have been slain by Queen Marika.” And having LEGEND FELLED appear instead of GOD SLAIN, would also make sense since Metyr was able to escape our attacks and is presumably still alive at the other side of the summoned microcosm. “Metyr isn't called a god, so she can't be the god of Placidusax” Tbh, I really wasn't expecting that much pushback on this point which is why I was so matter-of-fact in the video. (Skill issue I suppose!) Again, she is the daughter of the Greater Will, which is the creator deity of the universe. (This was first raised by Hyetta and then confirmed by Count Ymir in the DLC.) And as the creator of the universe, this puts the Greater Will in a whole separate category above other gods. And the game all but confirms that the Fingers are divine. Remember, they have the power of benediction and can restore Great Runes at *Divine* Towers. (Fwiw, the Divine Towers were also called the towers of the gods in the 1.00 version.) Meanhile Marika's and Radagon's Scarseals “represent the lifelong duty of those chosen by the gods,” which, coupled with the new dialogue by Count Ymir, is almost certainly a reference to the Fingers choosing Marika. So if Metyr's parent is a creator deity and her children are divine, I don't think it's a stretch at all to assume that Metyr would also be a god. Hope that clears things up! After reading all those comments, I’m now planning to do a video on hearsay and FromSoft lore as well as a census/tier list for all of the different gods and divine entities in Elden Ring. So do keep those comments and discussion flowing!

[@ConstrictorDevlin]

the fingerslayer blade looks extremely similar to sacred relic sword tho, you can see the helix legs/double blades, its just broken and tarnished. the fingerslayer blade even has the guard that looks like an arm. in a side by side comparison, they are VERY similar. im a bit fuzzy on the details about the nox, but they were trying to create their own divinity, so maybe when they failed/got punished by the GW, they used the remnants of their self-made god into the fingerslayer blade, to attempt to strike back against two fingers/GW?

[@AristasTheMonsterHunter]

​​​​@@ConstrictorDevlin Another thing that is a little off is that the Nox came much after Farum Azula. I alwais thought that the fingerslayer was made from the Nox version of Marika, wich at a certain point betrayed the GW and was killed, only to then be turned into a weapon by its kin, by that time Placidusax had already fell off as Elden Lord, wich meant that his god consort already left, wich could still be Mityr, the quistion would be why she left? Could Bayle have something to deal with it?

[@ConstrictorDevlin]

@@AristasTheMonsterHunter Metyr is a vassal of the greater will, and despite being broken and abandoned by the GW, she still loyally awaits another communion, which makes me think that she was unlikely to have positioned herself as a god to placidusax. maybe whatever caused Metyr to get broken could have also been related to whatever happened to Placidusax's god, or maybe it happened shortly after she made landfall in the lands between and she got broke nvery early on. also, Metyr seems to prefer working from the shadows, considering she works through Two Finger proxies rather than directly. havent really looked into Bayle lore yet, but he might have attacked Placidusax because of him getting abandoned by his god. cant say im too sure about the timeline of these events yet either.

[@DS-wl5pk]

The greater will is one of many outer gods. Not THE outer god. The greater will did not create the lands between, it probably didn’t even create the erdtree. It really just showed up and staked a claim. There are other Outer gods constantly messing with it’s plans, it’s Rannis entire ending. The moon is a different outer god to the greater will and she is usurping it entirely when she separates herself from its influence by killing the fingers. The fingers being off spring of the greater wills daughter. IE the greater will did NOT create the universe nor is it even the only being at its level

[@QuestionableObject]

saying that "said to" is evidence against something isn't very compelling... It goes both ways, its neither confirmation nor denial of something. Regardless it'd be more likely that the "blood drenched fetish" was used *against* metyr since it is the only way to harm the vassals of the greater will... The assault on metyr with the item being the potential catalyst for her inability to communicate with the greater will, severing her vassalage in the process? The fact she could no longer commune with the greater will would likely also be why she was sealed away in the lands of shadow along with all the finger ruins... I also don't believe that Metyr flees. She has the same death particles of every other boss/large enemy that turns to dust, she's merely consumed by the collapsing star/microcosm she holds in her tail... Saying that Metyr is not *stated* to be a god is also a fair argument against her being any Lord's god as what a God is is one of the few well defined things in Elden Ring (so far)... A god is a vessel for the dominant order of the world. Marika is a god because she's the vessel of the elden ring and the golden order. Melania had the potential to become a god (goddess of rot) because she's the vessel of the scarlet rot, Miquella becomes a god by becoming the vessel for his new desired order, he likely could have become a goddess like Melania could by embracing his "fate" to become St. Trina, a goddess of sleep... There's room for debate but that's what it should be, a debate. Speaking matter-of-factly on anything in Elden Ring is a surefire way to look like you're putting your whole foot in your mouth, because we don't have the full story, far less than anything we ever had for Dark Souls and Bloodborne. Everyone misses something at some point and many many things are up for interpretation. The ELden Ring loretuber trend of speaking like they've got it all worked out is becoming a serious issue for reasonable discussion and debate about the potential for actually piecing together the lore of this game...

[@megamilkxl3414]

Notice how placidusax also twists his heads into a spiral, the symbol of divinity/the crucible

[@_Snarky]

Good catch, i wonder if the hornsents are allies to the ancient dragons.

[@someperson2612]

I’m 80 percent sure that he does that along with how his body looks when he’s levitating to mimic a dragon heart

[@Morgan_BC]

Just like Metyrs back two fingers, they’re both about a spiral and a half

[@humanoblivion2968]

@@_Snarkymy head cannon is that they are somewhat connected. Farum Azula does have human statues (likely the draconic people preset customization), but I believe the hornsent are a later civilization from the dragons and spread out from them. Likely around the time the dragon civilization started to decline from Astel or some other reason (at least after Placi’s God left). Anyways I can’t really confirm all of that but it makes some sense.

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Great point! We also have the item description for the Spira incantation: “The spiral is a normalized Crucible current that, one day, will form a column that stretches to the gods.” So I wonder if the spirals and potentially the Crucible were attempts to regain contact with the Greater Will.

[@salvahazana7629]

Metyrs remembrence states that she (used to) receive signals and messages from the Greater Will. Nowhere is it stated that their communication was back and forth.

[@mannytprimeministerofthemanate]

Point taken, but the greater will might have a way to observe what is happening in the lands between and so there is only need to comiunicate in one direction.

[@mistakai4226]

She received 1 message and has been obsessed with the greater will ever since.

[@jonpitre9224]

@@2009samiyyou sound like an idiot and the Quran has way more falsehoods than the Bible 😂😂😂😂

[@STOPSYPHER]

⁠@@mistakai4226 exactly. it just kept waiting and obsessing until it went mad.

[@garrulousgoldmask]

@@mistakai4226Ah, so Metyr was a Tier 3 sub to the Greater Will after all.

[@la_robbo]

Metyr is really reminding me of Ebrietas and the lore/theories around her. So glad we're back lore hunting again!

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Absolutely! And with all her Fingercreeper kiddos in a desolate water arena, she's giving major Rom vibes too!

[@Crichjo32]

Definitely hugely similar to Ebrietias, almost to the point its an Easter egg. Especially with the ramifications of her effect on the lore, and her location - hiding under a church in a secret location, that's a big underground cavern. Also she looks freaky just like Ebrietias.

[@AP-lf6qs]

Yup

[@steamedhamlet]

Daughter of the cosmos!

[@Varre922]

Interesting, I personally think it was Metyr herself who banished the Nox underground and I think the Nox created the fingerslayer blade as an attempt to assassinate Metyr. Perhaps because they realized Metyr was deceiving them from the start and the reason they sought the age of stars was to remove Metyr influence over the Lands Between.

[@ΚάσσιοςΔίο]

nox armor explicitly says that it was the greater will that pushed them underground

[@Varre922]

@@ΚάσσιοςΔίο I mean Metyr could have claimed to have acted in the name of the Greater Will For all we know the Greater Will was probably just taking a nap when everything in the lore was happening.

[@anonisnoone6125]

@@Varre922 I really wish we would've gotten some new lore on the greater will. What exactly is it? Is it a god? A group of gods?

[@pillarmenn1936]

@@ΚάσσιοςΔίο Right, except we have proof that the Greater Will has been gone for some time and the Nox's architecture seems to be far younger than the Hornsent, let alone Farum Azula. This is proof that the item descriptions are likely from an unreliable narrator.

[@Kageryushin]

@@anonisnoone6125 We pretty much got all we needed to with regard to Greater Will lore expansion from Ymir, albeit he's mostly just confirming and more concretely establishing connections that were previously hinted at.

[@CrescentCrusader99]

Being the Daughter of the Greater Will confirms that Holy light is just another form of Magic. While Glintstone Sorcery is about extracting the spiritual energy of blue stars, the Greater Will is a yellow star and its spiritual energy is yellow in colour because of this. But at the end of the day, they’re all just stars.

[@MitridatedCarbon]

i feel that the difference between incantations and sorceries are explained by Ymir. he says that "One need only envision the romance of the stars above with adoration for stardust in one's heart to become a great sorcerer. Do so, and you will know love." and i feel this "adoration" is "faith". faith in the cosmic forces of the stars instead of replicating them through a pure scientific point of view. basically incantations are a form of sorcery, but the sorcery is done by more powerful cosmic forces, like the fingers.

[@Nemo12417]

Not sure if this is the place for it, but has anyone else noticed that one of the Finger Ruins is located a short walk away from Marika's hometown? When she was forced to flee, she probably would have gone there, and it's possible that's where she met the Two Fingers and was given Maliketh.

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Yes! I was planning to delve into that when I discuss Marika and the shaman village. It's so wild to think she grew up (literally!) overlooking an area filled with Lovecraftian entities beyond our comprehension.

[@STOPSYPHER]

@@garrulousgoldmask are we sure those imprints in the land came before her?

[@estesdabestes340]

No, no one else noticed that

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Great question! Personally, I think those are the fossilized remains of Metyr's Finger children, which would date them to be much older than Marika.

[@ramoraid]

He must have been very young because no where do we see maliketh being mention or shown to be in the land of shadow.

[@arcticdino1650]

The greater will needing a new router. Forbidden knowledge

[@chancetherappersburner6338]

Ngl hard disagree on this one. An Elden Lord (Placidusax) is a consort to the god of the current order that acts as the vessel of the Elden Ring (Elden Beast). Metyr already has, or had her purpose which is completely different from a god. If Metyr was a god of her own order then she would have been an Empyrean as well, and that just doesn't make any sense because the Two Fingers are the ones selecting the Empyreans and obviously they can't do that in this case because well... Metyr is the one who created them. And if we are to believe that Metyr came before the Elden Beast then the theory seems even less likely to be true. Also, when you defeat Metyr you get the "Legend Felled' and not the "God Slain" message. It's also worth noting that the fingerslayer blade is made from a corpse and Metyr is obviously alive until we end her.

[@themaverick1898]

We don't end her though. She escapes through a black hole.

[@chancetherappersburner6338]

​@@themaverick1898That's just further evidence of what I'm trying to say lol.

[@avnishbangar1755]

Spot on. From is very deliberate with choosing words. What or whoever the fingerslayer blade is created from is dead while Metyr is very much alive.

[@umbrafrfx6701]

She is literally called a daughter of the greater will, which would make her a god bro, at least based on elden ring genealogy

[@chancetherappersburner6338]

@@umbrafrfx6701 That doesn't make any sense. Nothing in the game suggests what you're saying. You need to ascend into godhood, you can't be birthed as a God. We already know what Metyr is, a star. In ER's universe stars are living beings like Astels and the Elden Beast.

[@lemonMPG-zq5je]

Am i the only one who freaked out when metyr did the microcosm when she died?

[@sneakrzzz8669]

I definitely thought she was about to pull some bs😂

[@darealdovahkiin3652]

@@sneakrzzz8669😂😂😂

[@Lil.Grandpa]

Yeah I thought it was gonna be another Shadow Sunflower situation where we fight her true form or some shit.

[@EtheonStarWanderer]

Also something interesting to discuss is that the cathedral where Metyr is located it's called Manus Metyr; and the cathedral, where we find Ranni after killing "her fingers", it's called Manus Celes. I just completed her quest yesterday again, and those fingers look exactly the same as the fingers of Metyr that hold the microcosm in her attacks, only crooked after Ranni's violence. They are also way bigger and thick than any other fingers we get to see. It seems like there is more to those fingers underground. So this should mean, Celes is another Mother of fingers, and Ranni kills it by performing the cursemark ritual, so Celes is completely dead. This should mean that no more fingers to ever be born in The Lands Between, which means that, in Ranni's ending, the following Elden Lord, after you leave with Ranni, shouldn't have any direct influence from the fingers,a apart from the Thre-fingers and the Roundtable, but those are rotten. If Metyr was veiled in the Land of Shadows, that should mean that the fingers in The Lands Between needed to have a mother to reproduce and keep guiding the gods and demigods, so that should be Celes. Is Celes a daughter of Metyr, fully developed? Or is she also daughter of The Greater Will? EDIT: Also the arena where we fight Metyr is strikingly similar to that of the Elden Beast.

[@MrDexSat]

Manus just means hand in Latin, and though I don't know about Latin declinations, I'm pretty sure Celes means "sky" or "heaven" (or rather, "of the sky" or "of heaven"). So, Ranni's cathedral would be called something like Hand of Heaven and the other one, Hand of Metyr, which makes sense considering she's right beneath it. I don't think you cooked with your idea that Celes is another character, tbh

[@EtheonStarWanderer]

@@MrDexSat yeah I am spanish, I know Manus because in spanish the word is Manus, but there arent any other cathedrals or places call like that in The Lands Between, so the parallels are undeniable, and we see another mother of fingers underneath it, and we know Mother of Fingers are cosmic being, Celes makes a lot of sense in that regard

[@CrescentCrusader99]

Yes that’s very true. Ranni is a traditionalist. She wants the world to - or at least the Lands Between - to go back to a time before Numens and gods. Back when mankind ruled the continent and followed the guidance of blue stars.

[@CrescentCrusader99]

@@MrDexSat yes that’s true. Though it’s also interesting how the name exists in Dark Souls referring to Manus thr Dark Lord. His name is based on Manu who is the first human in Indian Hinduism. It’s interesting how the meaning of Manus is different in both Elden Ring and Dark Souls

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

If true, this explains one of the greatest remaining questions after the revelations of the DLC, Why did the Greater Will abandon The Lands Between? Well, the nox made a weapon capable of harming the Greater Will, but the Nox don't exactly have space travel, do they? And now that they're sealed underground, it's not likely they'll ever develop it, and thus the Greater Will, who resides in space and sends meteors, is safe from a weapon that could kill it, as long as it leaves The Lands Between alone. It's just a pragmatic move to make.

[@nathanwaibel454]

@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 doesn't it literally say in the opening cut scene of the game that the war for the shattered ring led to the abandonment of the greater will?

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

@@nathanwaibel454 That's what we were told, yes, but it doesn't make sense for the timeline: Metyr was broken and abandoned when she made the Two Fingers, so any divine power those Two Fingers allow was flawed from the start, the greater will had abandoned the lands between along with metyr, and that's why metyr's children, the two fingers, were flawed from the start, even before Marika found them.

[@nathanwaibel454]

@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 nice..

[@elcononamethon2157]

Only the ever brilliant can make me willingly schizo out on lore when I need to be sleeping for my new job tomorrow

[@ironiccaesar178]

She's like ebrietas, but the other way around She's the First star sent by the Greater Will, mother of his envoys but her master doesnt talk to her in eons. Thats why everybody Is wrong according to ymir: the fingers are decrypting nothing from the Greater Will. The empyrian they're choosing are faulty and unable to correctly interpret the Outer God's ideals, otherwise Marika wouldnt have shattered the elden ring, but on the other side of the spectrum, none could have had the free will Every vassal of each outer God Is loyal til the end, but not this time

[@SpottedHares]

or maybe the fingers are not decrypting anything at all, just generations upon generations assuming something has to be happening. Do we ever get any logic behind empyrian actually being anything?

[@ironiccaesar178]

@@SpottedHares correct also

[@W_W-f8y]

According to one theory the GW is just the black hole lying at the center of ER's universe (as symbolised by the hole in Ymir's hat)

[@Louse1021]

I like your point about how plusidusax looks like hes trying to commune with the greater will, as if the way his god taught him, and if he knows how long it takes to do so, that could be the reason for the temporal locked zone that he resides in as well as the fact that his prestess sacrifices her sleep to him so he can concentrate. Maybe hes been there ever since his abandonment trying to reach out for guidence

[@your_neko]

What if the mending rune of the Perfect Order was meant to shield the Lands Between and Marika from broken influence of Metyr? Queen Marika is clearly compatible with Goldmask's vision, but it's unclear how it changes the role of God-Queen. But whatever is this transcendental ideology he discovered, it seems to take over the function of Fingers and their guidance. And given that Fingers are broken beyond repair, it would make sense to replace them specifically.

[@Shmethan]

Interesting, I always assumed goldmask just had an issue with radika and would still trust the fingers more or less as they are clearly far beyond human. But I guess he'd have to stop trusting them since they've basically gone silent. Altho from that maybe he knew that the greater will had abandoned the lands between

[@anthonypittman6443]

Placiduax fuckin sitting there waiting for her to literally text him back

[@wellingtonrodrigues7654]

He is just like me

[@wellingtonrodrigues7654]

He is just like me

[@Nordic_Vampire]

I wonder if the three fingers was some sort of deformed two fingers that metyr abandoned. I assume that the two fingers keep contact with metyr or at least were giving their duties by her but if the three fingers never got that then in it must have tried desperately to make contact but instead it made contact with the god of frenzy

[@FelonOW]

this is kinda cool i could see metyr being in a state of frenzy or destructive despair when creating a 3 finger instead of the usual 2 , maybe thats why the 3 fingers took in the god of frenzy itself

[@laran1708]

Im thinking maybe the greater will sent the elden beast down to deal with the nox, and also to serve as a true ruler of the world, maybe thats why metyr's weapon says she resents bowing down, maybe she resents bowing to the beast her younger sibling yet also superior to her

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Oh I really like that idea!

[@couragethecheems5877]

GW reminds me of The Creator from Wheel of Time. "The Creator had created many worlds as a gardener had grown many grapes on a vine, and if one of the grapes shriveled and died, then the gardener would be regretful but would move".

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Oh that's a great quote! And with the references, I can't help think of the Three Fingers and the Frenzied Flame...

[@bananacorn4375]

Now it all makes sense! The Astel-like thing on her back is the nail in the coffin for me

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Ooh, good eye!

[@dadevi]

This is very convoluted and inaccurate. Metyr is not a God. She is simply the creator of each set two fingers. It's even stated that she was the first star to fall from the Greater Will. We don't know if any of the information she gave to Marika is accurate because it has been hundreds of years since she communicated with The Greater Will. Placidusax originally had more heads that were torn off in the battle. Placidusax is waiting for his God's return, which could be anything. Elden Lords don't determine what their age is like, they just wage war on behalf of their God, which is usually their consort.

[@lorisceleste1860]

Yeah, Placidusax missing heads were torn away in the fight with Bayle btw

[@coastyistoasty]

You could be right but then again marika is a god but we only get the god slain message once we kill the elden beast which is also a vassal of the greater will and it is also a falling star sent by the greater will , maybe metyr was a god but then got demoted or something. Who knows.

[@aguy216]

​@@coastyistoasty i seen the theory that Metyr ran away as the microcosm collapsed and she didn't die.

[@neftalicruzluciano]

​@@lorisceleste1860 yeah and also Bayle has them embedded on his back. Which is an awesome detail

[@wr5488]

Elden Beast isn’t a god! Nor is Greater Will! Only two Elden Ring ‘gods’ are Marika and Miquella (and Ranni depending on ending) God is a position in Elden Ring rather than a straight up state of being.

[@lorisceleste1860]

So yeah, Lovecraftian's horrors are back on the menu. Metyr being a daughter means the Greater Will is not a concept but an outer god, the supreme deity of the microcosm in which the world of Elden Ring was created from "stardust" (Ymir's dialogue). The Greater Will created the microcosm as its personal universe to rule upon, had its daughter spread its Word until suddenly it stopped talking to her. So basically the Fingers were just telling what they heard from their mother to the people of the Lands Between, to Marika specifically. Until the Greater Will ceased to send messages to Metyr so the Fingers stopped talking as well. This makes me think the Fingers will never talk again to anyone, not even to Enia because no one would answer the Fingers' call. There's no one out there to guide the people of the Lands Between. So Ranni's ending still is the best ending: no more fingers, no more outer gods but just the moon, like sailors we will be guided by moonlight and the very stars into the future.

[@your_neko]

There is Goldmask, who discovered that the Order can exist (and would be better off) without these random interferences from a God. And given that it's a mending rune, this Order allows an existence of at least one God-Queen at a time.

[@Allday524]

Imagine the greater will is just dead. There’s nothing left, what we have is what we got. Now that is either scary, or comforting.

[@ΚάσσιοςΔίο]

rannis ending doesn't stop the outer gods

[@krispo7256]

Ranni literally lets another outer god take control, the dark moon and the stars.

[@muffinxcancer]

I'm getting original sin/christianity vibes from your analysis.

[@OZD_Collective]

Now imagine walking into Placidusax's arena, knowing how he defeated the Drakes.

[@timdiggity]

Super interesting, I never considered that possibility! Great observation about Placidusax possibly mimicking the Two Fingers. A badass dragon worshipping a weird alien is such a cool idea

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Thank you so much mate! Honestly, a badass dragon worshipping weird aliens was one of the only things missing from Bloodborne.

[@ec5400]

Aren't dragons themselves in elden ring considered aliens? Like their origin is not of the planet we are in.

[@Jakov-or7fp]

​@@ec5400No, it never says that

[@_bessonitsa_5323]

I really like a version of lore that youtuber named Bonelord states. It's all about that The Greater Will was just one of many Outer Gods happened to conquer The Land Between for it's Crucible of life. That theory also states that Marika may have been trying to connect with other outer gods but abandoned them for The Greater Will - that's why she is called str*mpet

[@efaristi9737]

There is nothinh that suggest that Metyr was a god and even less that she was the god consort of Placidusax.

[@imair1153]

Furthering this point; it says LEGEND FELLED when you beat her, not God

[@ericjensen7580]

Rauh and rot would be a great topic. Rauh was my favorite field zone of the DLC and its looks like it is the blackstone civilization of the lands between. The scarlet rot and its evolution from a divine element into the virulent deathbomb is really intriguing.

[@wr5488]

Okay so Miquella wanted Radahn dead right? So he could take his soul and make it his consort. He sends Malenia to kill the ‘mightiest demigod’. Malenia ends up getting impaled and blooming, wiping out Caelid. Romina is the one in charge of Scarlet Rot. Romona is guarding the item you need to burn to reach Miquella. Is it possible Romina and Miquella were working together? Miquella sends his coincidentally sick scarlet rot infested sister on essentially a suicide run so she can nuke Radahn? iirc dlc kinda suggests there isn’t a real Rot Goddess, it’s all Romina who revived the religion and is in control of the Rot. Idk, I’m kinda thinking Miquella took advantage of the rot in Malenia rather than ever trying to heal her

[@ericjensen7580]

@@wr5488 I think Miquella goes from being a golden order fundamentalist to wanting to purify those of sin (he replaces Melania's rotten flesh with unalloyed or pure gold) to embracing all ("if you have known sin").

[@soldiergigas14]

This video made me Imagine Metyr, a finger being and Placidusax, a 5 headed dragon joined in a romantic matrimony. can you imagine the interaction between a finger goddess and a 5 headed dragon lord?

[@donalddavid8199]

Would like to fight the greater will itself as a boss since it is the one entity that is always found responsible for the bewildering amount of sh*t happening around the lands in between

[@ec5400]

Number of deaths you have in game = How many times the Greater Will resurrected you. I don't think there would be any way for us to interact or influence the greater will. we can just mess with its "plans".

[@enviosinterdimencionales8612]

metyr = metroid = mother = aliens = miyasaky = feet

[@enviosinterdimencionales8612]

metyr = the alien mother of all feet.

[@donalddavid8199]

Metroid = samus

[@lorddervish212quinterosara6]

I'd love to hear you ramble about ER philosophy. Honestly I love the theory that the GW doesn't care about us at all a that everyone who has ever spoken/acted in behalf or against it are a bunch of clowns. literally "Old man yells at a cloud"

[@thedragoninside0921]

A time before the Erd Tree...but wasn't the Erd Tree created by the arrival of the Greater will in the lands between?

[@garrulousgoldmask]

It was! But even in the base game there are multiple items that reference civilizations that predate the Erdtree, which is further reinforced by the DLC.

[@ozsun9736]

Cathedral of Manus Metyr and the Cathedral of Manus Celeste, either Ranni's 2 fingers came directly from Metyr or they were send on a Meteor... either way I loved the new Lore we got

[@alexrocky9147]

Love this idea! Definitely felt like we were getting 5% of the full picture here

[@drfabulous2804]

The bosses in the DLC (aside from maybe 2) are refreshingly enjoyable, I had a great time fighting Metyr, Scadutree Avatar, Messmer and Midra. It’s almost like FromSoftware are remembering how good DS3 Bosses were.

[@garrulousgoldmask]

And of course there's Ms. Pontiff!

[@mdcandronic]

I think it's more likely the Nox used fhe Fingerslayer Blade to cut off the Ringed finger weapon thay states it is part of the ancestor of the fingercreepers. As in Metyr. Also the reason why the Fingerslayer cant be part of her is the symple anstomy of the blade. Look at it, look at sacred relic sword too. You can see the torso, and arms, of the corpses they're made of. Fingerslayer was born of a humanoid corpse.

[@chillax319]

I really like how freaky Metyr looks like. People have looked at her, noticed that any earthly thing they can compare it to are fingers and blam. Mother of fingers.

[@Ddeletham]

Bayle's connection to the Nox could be him being "made" by them. Look at his chin and compare it to a dragonkin soldier. Maybe he was their best attempt? Additionally he doesn't seem to have lost his second pair of wings and legs, instead having had only two of each and losing part of them during his fight with placidusax. This in combination with his lack of stone scales seems to be like an imperfect copy. This also would explain how his bloodline was started. The only thing that doesn't fit for me is his fire, but that could have some connection to his character maybe?

[@garrulousgoldmask]

So Jack is a Mimic has a great video that expands on this very theory! His video absolutely convinced me that the Dragonkin Soldiers and BAYLE THE DREAD are connected and that one is modelled after the other. But I still think the Nox designed the Dragonkin after Bayle since Bayle has flame lightning while the only fire the Nox use is ghostflame and their Dragonkin Soldiers "knew no true sky, nor true lightning" (Frozen Lightning)

[@goosemanVEVO]

The only thing with this idea, is that the fingerslayer blade was borne of a corpse. Implying that the creature it came from was killed to create the blade, or was dead by other means before its corpse was used to create the weapon. But Metyr is still alive.

[@nottwo]

So is the story here that the two fingers were getting messages from Metyr and not the Greater Will?

[@HeevaEgo]

Yes. And yet, even Metyr stopped messaging them.

[@jacksonsavage6689]

Good theory. I think this is further supported by the cinquedea, which refers to the beastmen (presumably subjects of Placidusax given their location in farum azula as well as jagged peak) being given the gift of five fingers alongside intelligence. I suspect that Metyr is responsible for this as the mother of fingers on behalf of the greater will, and perhaps the dragon/beastman civilization is its first attempt at civilization in the lands between

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Definitely! That connection is even clearer in the 1.0 version which outright says that the beastmen were granted intelligence by the Greater Will. And I think it makes a lot of sense for the Beastmen to be the first civilization though I do wonder how Enir-Ilim fits into the timeline.

[@MaxwellScottJ]

I think the Fingerslayer Blade was the weapon, but the bit that Metyr lost became the Ringed Finger. Also worth noting the similarities between Dragonkin Soldier's face and Bayle's when viewed in profile. Made in his image?

[@whatsnewbois9814]

Frozen lightning spear IS a Dragon Cult incantation (it's also enhanced by the Gravel Stone Seal) so they must have experimented on some Dragon Cultist, willing or not, at some point

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Good point!

[@playcebovision5319]

I question if the GW is dead, or in a weakened state. One of Metyr's attacks has her shooting two energy beams in opposite directions from a black hole looking sphere. IRL, if a Star is big enough, when it dies it can either explode in a super nova, or it ejects the majority of its remaining mass. What does that look like? Two beams of energy shooting off in opposite directions. This phenomenon is called a Gamma Ray Burst. All that is left is either a blackhole, or a Neutron Star, which is a very tiny but incredibly dense object.

[@Brendonherring522]

I've always liked the theory that placidusax's god is the god of Death, referred to by the twinbird kiteshield. There is an emblem on the outside of Malliketh's arena that appears to depict the twinbirds, which perhaps links him to Death before he became the rune's keeper later on. We also see the obvious reverance of death in the deathbirds and much of the crucible culture. There is plenty of other data supporting that thought, but not the point of my comment. Moving on. I'd also note that people have theorized the Nox may have attempted to forge their own gate of divinity along with their own lord, as depicted by the altar with bodies all over it (some of which look like messengers from bloodborne), which is right next to the room in which we get the mimic tear. This is what people think was the affront that caused the Greater Will's ire; but it may have been multiple things that drew its ire- perhaps it was a response to their cumulative actions, sure. That all being said, the theory you present here is quite interesting. I'd be interested in how one might relate the wormfaces that we find in Farum Azula to their counterparts in the finger ruins. Perhaps this could be representative of a connection between them? I'd also love to see a closeup of metyr- is there a place where we might see a wound, where something was cut from her? What about proximity of the finger ruins to the eternal cities? Or finger creepers underground? I think evaluating these things might bear fruit!

[@Mischievous_Moth]

I'm starting to think that maybe the greater will IS the cosmos. Think about it, Miriam says all things can be conjoined in the greater will, there's the theory you mentioned of Astel having been sent by the grater will, and of course the Elden Beast itself looks like it's made of golden stars. I'll have to think more on this, but it's a neat theory.

[@wr5488]

This is my thought!! I don’t think there is a Greater Will, it’s just a broad blanket ‘humanizing’ of the cosmos. Astel, Elden Beast, Fingers, they’re all aliens. Astel crashing into Nokron isn’t a ‘punishment from god’ it’s just where the creature landed. There’s lots of Astel in the game, they just seem like insects in various stages of life. Metyr probably does have a crazy powerful father, but I’m guessing it’s just a larger grander alien. Elden Beast is a cosmic parasite that set itself up in the Erdtree. Like Metyr’s father has only sent one message and is dark from then on out… but Elden Beast the vassal of the Greater Will is around and not communicating? I think they’re all different things that are kinda being lumped together. Fingers and ‘Golden Order’ stuff are from Metyr, but the actual Elden Ring/Beast are a different set.

[@SpottedHares]

Better then most fan faction. But it kind of built upon the assumption that a connection has to exist.... for reasons I'm assuming?

[@timwinterhalter5233]

Very very specific choices made in environmental storytelling is fromsoftwares bread and butter They arrange assets as artistic choices rather than mere set dressing, this comes down to things like how successive societies have more advanced architecture and how you can find out the fate of any given ruined town by looking around

[@tempest8746]

A few things slightly wrong with analysis but overall very good. I think a very big factor that's wrong is that the fingerslayer blade originated from Metyr mainly because the fingerslayer blade is stated to have came from a corpse and Metyr is still very much so alive despite being damaged. Although most likely she was damaged by said fingerslayer blade by the Nox. However I will say that Placidusax's scales are able to hurt gods and such like the greater will due to their connection with Farum Azula as the scales could very well distort time. My theory is that whomever the fingerslayer blade originated from most likely came from Farum Azula.

[@nathanwaibel454]

Nice parallel between Metyr and Messmer both being abandoned by their creator..

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Yeah, children being abandoned by their mothers is a very common motif. I genuinely hope Miyazaki got enough hugs as a kid...

[@jeremycu4571]

pretty great vid, a lot of the theories here, could really be possible... still not sure about metyr being a god, though she did flee and that does fit w placidusax's god that fled.... she serves the greater will, and the will was the god that occupied the lands between w marika then eventually left during the shattering. Or perhaps its still the greater will, and it just abandoned metyr and placidusax, since they were weak, both injured and in a state of hiding/ defense. Then it would choose to side with marika, since she was strong.... at least until the shattering, where she weakened...and it would leave

[@spooky8662]

Metyr might have been the fingers for the dragons, but I definitely don't think it's a god.

[@HolyMoonlight3]

Something no one is addressing, but is a good thing to think about, yeah yeah Metyr is the mother of the two fingers and finger creeps, but what about the Three fingers? Where they come from?

[@fridaybutitssaturday1362]

Interesting. Someone on reddit once pointed out how the god-slaying incantions sigil looks a lot like Metyr's face, so i wonder if thats connected.

[@HeevaEgo]

It can, I guess? The Godskin sigil looks like two closed praying hands. But one may mistake them for looking like fingerprints too. And fingerprints are ALL over the designs for anything Finger-related. I don’t think they’re related. I think the Fingers are designed around the fingerprint, and I think the Godskins are designed around two praying hands

[@fridaybutitssaturday1362]

@@HeevaEgo yeah, that was my interpretation too. It looks a lot more like hands instead of a fingerprint, but I liked the theory

[@causabontweeter9778]

I think some more looking into the timeline would be necessary but this is a super compelling theory because Metyr is definitely wounded. I bet the blade wasn't made from Metyr but is what harmed her and made her unable to communicate with the greater will.

[@MitridatedCarbon]

this is probably right. I'm not fully onboard with the fingerslaying blade being part of metyr, but i think she was the god and creator of the ancient dragons, and imo carried the elden beast inside her, like a shell. the fingers in the finger ruins are basically made of and look like the "flesh" of the ancient dragons, and the jagged peak, if you look at the borders surrounding the finger ruins, it looks like made of those same rocks, basically a mass of ruined fingers pointing at the sky. if we put farum Azula at the top, in baile's arena, we would have a tower of fingers and beast corpses reaching for the sky, just like enir-ilim and the erdtree.

[@bunnybunsters3739]

I think the boss fight with Metyr is related to the two fingers at the round table standing straight up and not communicating. She fled, she no longer communicats with the other vassels. The weapon skill Kowtowers Resentment states its a violent bow which the resentment can be charged. Metyr uses the same color/animation of the weapon skill during the boss fight and we don't see it anywhere else Shes resentful for being injured by someone or something trying to exert power over her and force her to bow before them. Which may have been an unsuccessful attempt to break the elden ring or greater will. I think Marika had something to do with it. If she's injured already when we see her, and the finger slaying blade is found with the Nox, and the running theory is the Nox are Numems, it would make sense Marika did it since she has the fate to weild it. Also, The Nox and silver tears might be a prototype form of the Shamans or a recreation imo. But, its all just an unhindged theory

[@ornado4773]

Fingerlsayer blade is either a Longsword, Scimitar or short sword. And it’s probably made from the body of a god as it literally states it’s made from a corpse and Mytr is 1. Too big 2. Not dead…also the tombs we can duplicate Remeberances at are said to be the tombs of gods/demons gods.

[@MHWdJ]

The outergods require a local god to operate as an agent on their behalve and an associated consort to be a secular lord that enforces its will on the inhabitants of the lands between. The god that abandoned Placidusax. Is likely the "local" god that he was a consort for. This position might have been filled by many gods acompanied by many lords. But we don't know for certain how far this system stretches back or if it was even controlled by the greater will all the time. For all we know other outer gods might have held the reigns before Merika ascended and took the role of the "local" god. The Eldenring might not always have been in use, although it definitely originated as an tool of the greater will. But other gods might have used different methods to rule the lands between. Its not certain Placidusax served the greater will or another outer god.

[@wr5488]

Which is why Miquella is weird to me, I think he’s the first God without an Outer God supporting him? He’d be able to make all his own decisions.

[@MHWdJ]

@@wr5488 There is no mention of an Outer god influencing Miquella, but that doesn't nescessasarily mean there isn't one. The other demigods that were cursed, seem to have been related to some sort of divine influences. Just because an elder god hasn't been explicitly mentioned, doesn't mean they're not leaving their mark. On the other hand, Miquella's theme seems to be to create an all embracing order by eliminating free will. This doesn't seem to different from what the greater will would be pushing for. It could be Miquella was given eternal youth, not to curse his body, but to manipulate his mind to be eternally child-like. No matter how much of a genius he'd grow to be. I also find it interesting that Miquella's goal (taking away free will through a new order) and Rani's goal (Total freedom from the order) seem to be completely opposite to eachother.

[@jackryan740]

These things are aliens, straight up trying to communicate from long distances

[@lordofcinder8884]

So the whole age of Marika and the erdtree wasn't even intended by the greater will, I feel like Marika would have never been able to ascend to divinity had the greater will been contacting the lands between because of how flawed of a person she is

[@scarvello]

My fav boss fight of the dlc. The ost alone was captivating

[@potte2314]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "router" issue combined with star smasher redahn is why the greater will feels so absent

[@theclaybeartravels3596]

I was really hoping there would have been another underground city in the DLC, but oh well, I am still happy with what I bought too

[@IngensViator]

Imagine all trouble happens because the Greater Will forgot to pay the bills to Divine Connection ISP

[@FlamingAomeba]

If you need the Fingerslayer Blade to harm the vassals of the Greater Will, then how did the Nox harm the Mother of Fingers in the first place to get the piece of her to make the blade? I like to think they used it on Metyr to give her that wound, which is why the blade is soaked in blood.

[@umukzusgelos4834]

I´m not sure how Metyrs defeat can be interpreted, I always believed that the little Microcosmos consuming her, is her loosing controll over it in death and it collapsing in on it´self

[@steamedhamlet]

One thing I've been wondering about is why all the finger ruins look exactly like the seal of the gloam eyed queen from above. Or the godslayer symbol.

[@ravenseah2368]

The Two Fingers collaborated with Marika. They helped her reach divinity, she helped them seal Metyr in the Shadow Realm.

[@PeakBitty_yo]

Placidusax's fled god was probably the one great since it was the outer god in the age of the crucible and the age of the dragons took place while the crucible was still a thing

[@GentleRayneASMR]

Nicely done!! Just got recommended your channel, so I'll have to look back thru the previous videos! I'm still dying to know the answer to so many things from the new dlc, that just doesn't seem to explain some things (like wtf was that 'body' Marika pulled the thing out of...). Not sure there IS an answer to be found on some, but I'm still interested in others' theories about them! So.. I'd love to see a videos about theories that are still yet to be proven, AND would love to see a video all about horn-sent!

[@garrulousgoldmask]

Thank you so much! And I hope you enjoy the back catalogue 😊 Yeah, I wish we knew who or what exactly Marika seduced since that would go a long way in explaining what Marika was up to in the trailer. And I am planning on covering the Hornsent! Such a fascinating culture

[@GentleRayneASMR]

@@garrulousgoldmask Awesome!! Looking forward to it! :D

[@Grandsheba]

Greater will: outer god Metyr: great old one 2 and 3 fingers: great ones Finger things and hand mimics: kins of the cosmos. The greater will fled because many other outer gods came so it sent the elden beast. It abandoned the dragon lord.

[@mattiuinternational276]

The narcs

[@emanuelelamattina4264]

Elden lord means wielding the elden ring from a divinity which has the elden ring. Be it a vessel or the elden beast itself. Metyr is not an elden ring and did not have it since it came to earth before the elden beast. And when killed, says legend felled. Also it drops remembrance and runes, sign it was killed and the lack hole was probably that hole on her tail collapsing (remember aaldia from ds2 is defeated but not killed, since he does not drop any soul). Also placidusax shares more traits with the elden beast than with metyr (elden beast remembers a dragon and shares the same breath as placidusax). The elden beast fled from placidusax before farum azula crumbled, and because marika called it from the gate of divinity (we can see and hear it from the trailer). After that we had the farum azula crysis, involving rhe battle with bayle and the destruction of the city, whoch happened AFYER marika set the vail over the lands of shadow (you dont find any farum azula ruins in this place, while you can find them all across the lands between). Last thing: from the correct japanese translation, there is not a punishment from the greater will to the nox. They banished themselves underground fearing a punishment for their action, which is quite different. The greater will actually only sent two meteors and communicated with the fingers in the early times. After that it never had influences and all we know are tales from the fingers.

[@madmorgo6233]

Damn son! We getting out of the evergaol with this one..! 🔥

[@capollyon]

This theory has big issues with continuity of the world. Metyr is daughter of Greater Will and it's voice in Lands Between. But, it is nowhere suggested that she was a God herself. Marika was a God, Ranni becomes a God, same as Miquella. Which suggests that the god is mortal of unique spiritual strenght who becomes embodiment of order in the world. Metyr guided those individuals to ascend to godhood. I do not think she ever acted as a God. Moreover, we know that Greater Will abandoned Lands Between. We do not know why and when it happened. The opening of base game suggests that it happened after Shuttering, but it could happen ages ago as Metyr pretended to act on behalf of Greater Will. I think that God of Placidusax simply escaped godhood at one point. As St. Trina said, godhood is prison.

[@wr5488]

I think God is less of a state of being and more of a title. Whoever the head person is is God. I think Miquella would be the first ‘God’ without an Outer God patron though? Marika Greater Will, Ranni Darkmoon, we know of the Dragonlord and his Outer God, Mohg would’ve had Formless Mother, Vyke would’ve had Fell God, etc. Miquella just seems like he’d be in charge… which I kinda feels breaks the established lore? Like I think he’d be the first God without an Outer God guiding him and the lore never really says why that’s allowed/not allowed.

[@capollyon]

@@wr5488 maybe, but I think that Greater Will stands above other "outer-gods". Greater Will seems to be Creator, while other outer-gods represent some power in the universe. So the Outer-Gods might actually just be another Gods from different realms. Giants had Fell God, Mogh would be consort to Formeless Mother, Malenia could become God of Rot, etc. I think that Miquella would and is following path Marika took. It would be order under patronage of Greater Will.

[@crestfallenhussar895]

I see the finger slayer blade as more the instrument used to injure Metyr than a piece of her. Perhaps like the Rafagon sword it is made from Numen flesh but in some profane ritual. Either way I do think there is something to that blade and Metyr's grievous wounds.

[@kusovia1148]

I like your theory that the Nox used the finger slayer blade to harm Metyr the mother fingers but what I don’t agree with is your theory that the finger slayer blade was made from a part of her. I think, given the visual evidence in the DLC at Inir Ilim and in the underground Nox citys with the corpses there and the silver tear lore I believe the Nox successfully made a false lord and turned it into the finger slayer blade just like how Radagon, the Lord, was turned into the sword

[@nerfer200]

Considering that the Finger Slayer Blade and the Elden Beast's sword are both made from corpses of Gods, (Radagon makes up the Elden Beast's sword while the Dagger is an unknown/unnamed God) i think it's safe to say that Metyr was the Vassel Beast, and the Finger Slayer Blade is the corpse of Placidusax's god

[@kevexcellent]

Fits so well! Also Nox Swordhands of Night armor has a fingerprint design as if they were trying to mimic metyr's power.

[@demiusdan3997]

Wow ...! Quality Time ! SUBSCRIBED !!!

[@Oznerol1234]

I can't unsee the gloam eyed symbol (we see with spells) on her face.

[@ShardofWant]

It’s possible Metyr had a host like her brother and that her host became the finger slayer blade and she was broken and separated from her host

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

very interesting theory. I ended up coming to a very different conclusion but I don't want you to think i'm trying to refute the theory, just want to share what I speculated. I went down a bit of a rabbit hole of what if the borrowed power of a god the giants used, is the same power Plasidusaax is waiting to return, that Hyetta mentions what was borrowed must be returned? If it came from somewhere close to or in Farum Azula and came down to earth, this could be a sun god becoming a fell god, like it literally fell from higher up, but was also defeated at some great cost. If this is the same power Marika made forbidden, since fire can hurt the Erdtree, it might not be to far of a stretch to assume even a sun god could go mad from imprisonment and isolation. While some of the giants flame got stolen from this isolation, I believe the god itself is still trapped, and a few incantations of fire basically leaked out to be used by humans, who need fire for survival(prometheus). The frenzy flame incantations mention failed attempts at controlling the flame, so that same isolated god was experimented on, but also, frenzied burst mentions a meager victory of controlling it. My speculation of these different item descriptions, is that the mad god used to be the god of the sun realm, that Marika defeated and banished, causing it to go mad. But I never attached a name and this idea was from before SotE came out

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

re-reading my comment and thinking about the video, my conclusion might not be so different, rather from a different angle or perspective

[@lrnook]

Wi-fi not working to the extreme

[@TeamKhandiKhane]

I think the fact Radagon becomes a sword sorta shoots this theory in the foot. However I do think that due to this we get a better picture of the greater will. Its like that one absent dad who shows up to one birthday party when your five, says hello then you never see or hear from that creature again. Elden Ring just a Bad Parent Trauma Simulator/Therapy Session.

[@pigzy9807]

I doubt the finger slayer blade is made from Mytr but that she was attacked using that blade

[@patrickkinnear8625]

Perhaps she filled a similar role as the elden beast, and became the foundation of godhood for the age's god. Maybe in the past, order was not the driving principle, but intelligence, fingers, the ability to develop beyond beasts. Because we know that 5 fingers are the defining characteristic of intelligence, and that the intelligent beasts revere their 5 fingers. Maybe order came later, and the fingers that brought intelligence were the previous focus.

[@kerazayah3027]

I think the banishment of the nox underground In eternal cities Is a punishment from the greater will for harming Metyr

[@saintpharoah9134]

Bruh.. is Radagon actually Metyrs vessel?

[@kjstyles2xtreme]

finger slayer blade was "born of a corpse" and Metyr is still alive in the dlc so it couldn't be from her

[@patrickg610]

There is a theory that the nox created bayle. His head looks like the dragonkin soldiers

[@dividedbyzero11]

Before watching, I do NOT think metyr is placidusax’s absent god. I think they are both abandoned by the greater will.

[@killakev9589]

thanks man, very interesting dlc character for sure.

[@scifriskyxy583]

Tho the real question metyr seemed to have been abandoned by the grater will aswell-

[@Voitan]

Where exactly is this idea that the Fingerslayer blade is from Metyr's body? That just seems like a big leap to me.

[@yujinishida7883]

Maybe the Nox tried to slay Metyr because they could see it corrupting Marika or enslaving her in some way

[@Dark.Shingo]

They lost contact with the greater will because they didn't upgrade the firmware...

[@marcus22greene]

I wonder of Metyr is Marika fingers, also notice throughout this dlc they never once spoke of the finger maidens. They only spoke in base game. Make me wonder if Marika was the first finger maiden?