Miata ND3 vs Honda S2000 vs Subaru BRZ tS | Who Will Lose?

Here’s the 2024 Mazda Miata (ND3) vs Honda S2000 (AP2) vs 2024 Subaru BRZ tS in the canyons. The latest ND3 improves on the steering and asymmetric differential, the BRZ tS “tuned by STI” has Subaru's fine-tuning expertise, while the S2000 AP2 is the go-to for pushing it hard and visceral fun. But if you had to choose just one, which would be the best fit for you? And have I changed my mind of which I will buy later this year? Let me know with a comment below!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
01:09 ND3
07:13 S2000
15:29 BRZ
21:30 Final Thoughts

[@FourTheWheels]

The fact that an 18 year old S2000 continues to be reviewed against new products really says something about how special the S2000 is. It might not win every time, but it is a benchmark vehicle…and a damn good sports car!

[@19hundoc47]

No, it’s becuase there’s no other similar low cost sports cars to compare these to

[@dannyphamous]

Agreed, took 18+ years for the miata to try to catch up to it. Honda went full passion and engineering with every aspect of the S2000, no limit, high budget. Definitely a great vehicle if you find a good and cared for example. 2007 S2000 MRSP $34,250 ($51,728.37 in today's money) 2007 Miata MRSP $20,585 ($31,098.88 in today's money)

[@fahmidnd2]

@@dannyphamous The miata was never trying to catch up to it. Thats was Mazdas best formula, not to look at others. The Miata will always be in its own, they still sell it! that being said id rather have a s2000 over my miata, because im a honda fan boy at heart. The miata just had the upgrades it neeeded to stick with modern times.

[@fahmidnd2]

The s2000 was a Porsche boxter competitor, the miata and 86 has always been for the masses. Honda did a similar thing with the NSX.

[@jrod1577]

The s2000 didnt hold up very well though. Its a fun car to drive still and i still love them but the miata was a budget sports car and the s2000 was a porsche boxter competitor in the 90s. The boxter eventually outpaced the s2000 before the s2000 even stopped production. The fact that a budget miata and BRZ/GR86 now outpaces it shows that the s2000 isnt worth its price anymore now that even cheap cars can keep up/outpace it now. Keep in mind that an S2000 sold today would be closer to the price of a porsche boxter(but likely less than one to be competetive) at around 60k-70k for it. Impressive for the Miata and BRZ to perform at a 60k car level, not really impressive for an S2000 to perform at a 25-32k car level.

[@joeg4019]

S2000 25 year old technology. Came out in 1999. Still being used as benchmark and compared to cars today.

[@sunnyvalentino]

The fact that 18 years later we have two cars that are competitive with the S2000 with modern safety and regulations, modern tech for half the inflation adjusted price (new to new, not new to used) is nuts. The MX5 is even much lighter!!! These two cars are the exception, not the rule. The trend has been heavier and less driver focused.

[@dannyphamous]

Something that still blows my mind is they went from 4 lug wheels to 5 lugs with the NC then back to 4 lugs with the ND which probably helped their goal of replicating the 1989 2200-2300lb lightness.

[@jrod1577]

The s2000 didnt hold up. The miata was a budget sports car and the s2000 was a porsche boxter competitor in the 90s. Later versions of the boxter outpaced the s2000 before the s2000 even stopped production. The fact that a budget miata and BRZ/GR86 now outpaces it shows that the s2000 has fallen so far back that even cheap cars can keep up/outpace it now.

[@samwisee]

Bro I am 42 and daily an AP2. Its totally doable if you keep it (relatively) stock

[@sdlausen1]

I daily drove my AP1 for 4 years. No issues!

[@dannyphamous]

Great review and welcome to the club!

[@jn4988]

Oh hell yes, watching this on my coffee break time. Excellent comparison 🎉

[@NicoBremeau]

15:00 spotted the Focus RS in the back. Cant wait for a review on that car.

[@timrodabaugh8132]

Since the Toyota and Subaru twins come with Eyesight for model year 2024, try disabling pre-collision braking (PCB). If pre-collision braking is on, then my 2024 GR86 Trueno Edition dispays a bar graph for oil temperature. When PCB is turned off, I instead am presented with a numerical temperature display. Perhaps this works as well on the 2024+ BRZ.

[@jrod1577]

I recognise that road. 😉 You might see me up there in the evenings in a silver modified NB2.

[@jimfogarty5888]

Good move.! The Honda S2000 was a truly great car in its day.! Reliable etc and the drive experience was par none. but it's 20 years old. And maintenance of age and wear and tear let alone any abuse from previous owners is going to come due. You are paying close to a new car price for the Subaru or Toyota or the Mazda your pick, I lean ND3 Break any of them in properly and you got something on the toy or Sube I would pull the pan and make sure the rtv wasn't overdone. Little labor to ease anxiety for engine on track days.. From a mechanic of 45 years

[@sunnyvalentino]

Haha, I have an order for the exact same package as you. Mine is coming in a few weeks. I'm going to throw on coilovers (NOT Ohlins which will make it even less edgy and more cushioned) and a race exhaust

[@MiataND3]

Congrats on the new ND3 Kevin!💪🏻 I did the same GR86 to this, and I'm more happy and still powerslides with aggressive turns trust me😂👌🏻

[@jn4988]

Not even funny, I want a ND3 so, so, bad. I test drove one like foolish fool and now I want one. Dealership threw me the keys and gave me a 30 min limit. Went and drove it to is limits. Very surprised with how capable nd3 is from factory. Feels like a nb Miata cup car from 2001, not quite though. Maybe bad comparison.. How about it gives me AP2-cr vibes. (Drove a 170,000 mile 2008 black cr at a auto cross event, apparently the suspension was stock) Nd3 suspension Feels very good. That being said I’ve never driver in a ND1, ND2.

[@johnhartman5507]

Fellow Club, BBR, ST, Soul Crystal Red Metallic owner here, but a 2023 model. What mods do you have planned? I have been very happy with the comfort level of my Xida coilovers with 12k / 6k springs and Karcepts bars. Once lowered, you can achieve strong negative camber w/o offset bushings or other mods. I'm at - 3.3° front, -2.5° rear, maxing the stock adjustment in the front.

[@ConnectedFishing]

Sounds like the S2000 is the one to buy

[@aroundomaha]

If I were buying today it would be the base 86 with the performance package. You get the brakes and dampers for $32k msrp.

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

absolutely. It is the closest thing to a 90's/2000 car you can get this day and age. ND3 as well.

[@E4RLIES]

The miata is a decent bit of kit, it’s certainly up there now. Becoming quite a pest in the sprints and hill climb vs me in my old S2000.😂😠 Great honest review - I normally can’t stand this kind of video!

[@gryphon123456]

I’m getting Deja vu. Feel like I saw this video already. 🤔

[@jubbalandcars]

😂

[@dimatanaka4884]

Did you ever consider a Boxster or Cayman 987 or 981? They’re kind of in the same price range.

[@floodtheinbox]

Unless you're not going to modify it, the Sport is the way to go for the Miata IMHO. Most of the things that need changing to make it a real canyon shredder are what you're paying extra for in the club and GT models, and are still not quite up to the task. A Sport, with a set of sway bars, an Ohlins or Koni set of shocks, a good set of springs, and an OS Giken diff really transform the car into a rocket, and you save yourself near 3000 bucks doing it all. Which you can spend on a cool set of light wheels and a Roadster Sport exhaust.

[@69fcortina]

In the BRZ, you're hearing a speaker, not the actual engine noise. Some claim the car is too quiet if you disconect this system, others can't stand that it even exists. 230 hp, not 184, which is the torque number.

[@SnoopiFL5]

S2000 is king.

[@pol.86]

So weird how the temps don’t show numerical level like the 86

[@sanghyunlee8254]

I heard bbr 😮 220kit content in the future?

[@manveentoor5609]

I’m torn between a gr86 and an nd2 rf. I’m getting one to learn track driving and have full intentions to modify the car heavily but slowly as I learn it. Ive owned a 2016 BRZ and loved the steering feel and gearshift but the reviews all suggest the new version is lacking in both these departments. Would love feedback from those who own these cars. Cheers!

[@sdlausen1]

Why are all S2000 seat side bolster *completely* flat and destroyed? When people get into the car like this dude just did.

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

BRZ ts.

[@ruturaj47]

While BRZ is my 2nd car, I want to fit car seat just in case regular car breaks down as emergency back up. Currently inam deciding between having 2 and 3 cars in total, GLS 450 + BRZ vs prev gen Sequoia + Miata + (ioniq 5N /stinger).

[@volodymyrshoniia2424]

Wonderful car vs great car vs bucket of dogshit that you only buy if you need something more usable and can't have a separate usable car.

[@epicurusgod]

boxer 🤢🤮🤮🤮

[@dino_will_win]

The S2000 would be a no brainer, even though they are pricey now, IF it had a hydraulic or unassisted steering. That EPS, at that time of EPS tech, is definitely at the lower end of the totem pole according to modern standards. And I really feel that the liveliness of that car has a lot to do with the sound of the car. That car is freaking loud, especially for an inline-4.

[@MaleantDataSystemsSolutions]

will you be reviewing that focus rs?

[@jubbalandcars]

Yes we filmed that too! Probably another month

[@FLBoyCanScrap]

Simping... 😵