Michael Jordan getting 73% of NBA players' GOAT vote is 'hilarious' - Max Kellerman | First Take

Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman assess the recent GOAT vote by current NBA players. Max and Stephen A. agree Michael Jordan received too many votes while Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, LeBron James and Larry Bird may have gotten snubbed.
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[@chamogarcia41]

For me is hard to say who is 2nd. Like Magic Johnson once said " There's MJ and then there's the rest of us"

[@Milk-sc9jy]

I completely agree, well said by Magic.

[@TimelessTales918]

how come they forgot wilt

[@edmandell3064]

Shaban Waris because Wilt like Lebron lost more than won when it counted.

[@themadrapper101]

Whoever's second it isn't LeBron

[@aleksjeff3088]

Lebron isn't even top 5. In clutch time he shoots 20%, can't shoot free throws and he got swept TWICE in his career in the finals.

[@The-Dom]

So glad Bird got his due respect in this. That man was an animal.

[@robertocruz8429]

He has my respect and I'm not a Celtics fan

[@totenblume7517]

He's underrated nowadays, but if you watched him its clear that he was an absolute killer.

[@Tennis214]

Franklin Oliver why do black people avoid talking about great white athletes?

[@brianoneill4227]

Franklin Oliver do people actually bring up Marciano? But bird was fucking sick man like he just mugged people off

[@ghsf1234]

@@Tennis214 because athletic things are the only things they excel at, so if you remind them that there are great white athletes, their insecurity shows. And honestly: it's hilarious.

[@tattoodrdoke]

"I lost out by 27%, i took that personal" MJ

[@rugalsugal]

that's all i needed

[@draytonjames81]

“73%? Okay fine”

[@johnnyboy4389]

That’s MJ

[@ngunguyen8560]

True true

[@andrewsmith3257]

"Karl Malone won MVP,OK thats fine"

[@douglasenzor48]

Scottie pippin said "you win 3 consecutive NBA championships retire come back and win 3 more consecutive. That's greatness, that's the goat,believe that"

[@TheFlash-je3bl]

I grew up watching Kobe, LeBron, D wade, Allen Iverson etc. But the first basketball player I had ever heard of was Michael Jordan

[@ck-wh4vd]

Easy when we were all watching fcking looney toons growing up :P low key cause of it i thought he was good at baseball...face palm.

[@somerandomguy3037]

c k Wtf? You hear MJ name in anything associated with basketball just go and re-watch him he is amazing wins 3 championships retires comes back and wins 3 championships in a row 6x FMVP 5x MVP 10x all nba first team 1x NBA all defensive player 9x all defensive first team 1x Rookie of the year 10x NBA scoring champ 3x NBA steal leader 2x NBA slam dunk contest champion and averaged over 30p in 8 seasons but you know he is just overrated right?

[@tkschaaf7096]

Some random Guy that aswwipe must be a Lebron stan for sure.

[@ck-wh4vd]

@@somerandomguy3037 uhm read my comment again lmao i dont hate MJ He was my one of the first icons in my life Delete your comment you obvi misread mine or did not get what i had stated...sorry for the late reply, i have a life.

[@ck-wh4vd]

Definitely not a Lebron "Stan". You are 100% a MJ "Stan" though :)

[@Deeplycloseted435]

“I took whatever the defense gave me. Mike took whatever he wanted.” ~ Scottie Pippen “When the most talented player on the planet is also the hardest working player in practice, I think that pretty much sets the perfect tone and your identity as a team.” ~ Steve Kerr

[@Cafetero_]

White Power Tim fixed Lakers games if memory serves correctly 🤷‍♂️

[@Thorcat001]

White Power hold on you think the pistons a where aging? You obviously did not watch them play in that era. There was a huge question is if Jordan could ever win a title as a scorer. It took one All Star for him to win a championship. His name is Scottie Pippen. Pippins first year is an all star they took the Pistons to seven games. The next year they beat them. At that time all the pistons stars where under 30.

[@jca4343]

@the team aging argument is bs. Every team ages. It's part of sports.. Heck the only reason anyone is winning now is because bill Russel got old. The only reason anyone can win now is because MJ and the bulls got old. Some guys get older and slower. The younger guys get more experienced and better.

[@KahEhr]

Pippen said Wilt Chamberlain is the Goat

[@amateruss]

@ You never saw the video where a college MJ owned the NBA all star team of that time? Hilarious.

[@fourdoorsmoresmores]

The "Who is GOAT" conversation is so overdone in basketball because it always ends with two letters "M" and "J".

[@pure9173]

Michael Jackson? XD

[@karimcler9769]

Mark Jackson...

[@davidlia563]

Mebron James

[@M4DM4RCH]

Mwayne jade

[@zbreezy88]

MRon Baker

[@SuntanSuperman8]

My favorite thing that I’ve heard about Larry Bird is that he walked into the locker room or whatever at the All-Star game before the three-point contest and said “Which one of you you-know-whats is gonna come in second?” 😂😂😂

[@warrenbfeagins]

Jordan was on a 40,000 point trajectory (as a guard) IF he didn't retire TWICE. That would have eclipsed Kareem's career point total in 5 fewer seasons. Jordan IS the G.O.A.T.

[@glong86]

Woulda Coulda Shoulda, it aint Kareem's fault Jordan retired twice.

[@warrenbfeagins]

@@glong86 It's not about fault, it's about stats. It's not Walter Payton or Emmitt Smith's fault Barry Sanders retired early either, but we all know (I'm a Payton fan) who would have the all time rushing record. For Jordan to have been able to do that AS A GUARD in several fewer seasons is OUT OF THIS WORLD.........and he was.

[@casemedia5473]

It's not the all time could've scored record it's the all time scoring record.

[@warrenbfeagins]

@@casemedia5473 Wow! Check out the big brain on Andrew. We know this, which is why Jordan is not listed as number one. Your statement conveniently ignores my point which was about his TRAJECTORY which was only interrupted by HIM.

[@oscarmarroquin4374]

Lol no he wouldnt have.

[@mustafeasad9377]

can some one explain me why hakeem is not top 10 but kd is top 5 ?? I'm dreaming 😨

[@wb4180]

KD is an MVP, 4 time scoring champ, 2x champ, 2x fmvp, multiple all NBA and all defensive teams. Y'all really need to stop playing KD

[@kylinmooney167]

Wesley Bryant his rings are not counted by millions

[@ultimatechrisso6592]

What are we talking about? A 1 or 2 vote difference? U dont know only 127 player voted?

[@2nifty201]

Wesley Bryant KD has zero all defensive teams....Fake stat

[@camctrail]

@@wb4180 KD has not made a single all defensive team...

[@AJD3333]

Listen, the question was, “who is the GOAT?” Not “who is second?” or “who should be mentioned?” Why are they arguing about it if they both agree that MJ is the best?

[@sh1ftedmorningstar751]

Thy talking about behind mj

[@AJD3333]

SH1FTED Morningstar it’s been a month since I watched it but I’m pretty sure they were about people who should’ve gotten more votes than they did like Shaq and Bird for a good portion of the video.

[@crypto7283]

TheMostEpicPotato Ay the question was who is the goat. They made me confused on why they were talking bout 2nds

[@nedeggert4290]

It literally says at the bottom what the biggest problem with the list is that’s what they’re talking about not the goat obviously MJ is the goat

[@porkadobo5035]

It literally doesn't show anywhere in the screen the question "Who is the GOAT?" lol

[@zenonpyro2071]

*Michael Jordan made the game GLOBAL* Enough said. Appreciate *GOATness* !!!

[@nitinpandey6037]

magic and bird saved the NBA

[@bean181]

True I have the list at 1 Jordan 2 Kareem 3. Kobe 4. Bird 5. Magic 4 and 5 and interchangeable 6. Allen iverson 7. Lebron 8. Wilt Chamberlin 9. Lebron 10. Shaq

[@therealjai260]

@@bean181 ur trolling right?

[@monty6320]

@@therealjai260 don’t cry because lebron isn’t too 5

[@therealjai260]

@@monty6320 he’s number 2 behind Jordan and Kareem is 3

[@Mtdmpls]

There's not one player on that list that could beat Lavar Ball in his prime. Checkmate, game over, end of discussion, case closed. NEVA LOST!

[@omispirit7899]

Dead on. Lavar is too good so he can not be on this debate .. he is not from Earth This is Earth's list.

[@ramonanzures9780]

It's bullshit that the NBA didn't let him join after he beat the dream team by himself

[@omispirit7899]

@Phenom AL yes the league does not respect Aliens

[@diku38]

One on One, Aym Unde-fitted NEVA LOST!

[@pawned5834]

LMMMFFFAAAAAOOOOO

[@stevendunn2501]

"People forget about Bird" FACTS! Folks really be sleeping on just how much of a beast Bird was.

[@nicolaschacon2707]

Yes he was a beast and he says Michael Jordan is the best player that have played the game

[@avarmauk]

He was a beast. But even Bird admits that MJ was better. Once describing MJ as God playing basketball.

[@gabriel.hongkong]

Any talk about GOATS, Bird has to be mentioned. People forget that Bird, even with a debilitating back injury, could make you look silly.

[@SDcharge2k12]

If he had avoided the back injury he'd have ended up the goat but people would still vote for MJ because people will always vote for the best highlight reel and MJs highlight reel is legendary with those dunks and game winning shots plus the mystique that Jordan emits. Bird was the absolute epitome of what a fundamentally sound basketball player looks and plays like. Imo they will always be equals when you compare them at their best and then there is everyone else...basketball has been on the decline ever since they left and has not felt like the same game since after the lakers 3 peat team disbanded. The new age players are soft and the competition is absolutely incomparable because of it so the rings that Lebron have gotten feel cheap and thats why nobody will ever take that title from MJ. End of story

[@LethalMlTCH]

People forget bird cooked Kareem

[@essj3334]

Only suprise is that it was 73% and not like 93% for MJ in the GOAT vote. HE is GOAT no questions about it.

[@marcobreda5107]

Surprised it’s not 100%tbh lmao, there is no debate about who’s the best player ever.

[@essj3334]

@@marcobreda5107 True its funny how ESPN trying to brainwash the fans that Leflop is goat.

[@OVOlubi]

@@essj3334 you know you have a great GOAT argument when people get furious when you are mentioned

[@jakeywakey3381]

@@OVOlubi if I mentioned myself in the goat argument ppl would be mad but that doesn’t make me a good argument for being the goat💀💀

[@tamazg1751]

@Itachi Is superior to you lmao y’all sound like a hivemind repeating “MJ is the GOAT” and it’s gotten to the point where you legitimately think that LeBron is unpopular. You can look up a popularity poll that would prove you wrong in an instant but you don’t want to be proven wrong, you want to keep thinking that your opinion is fact. Guys like you are even cringier than the bronsexuals

[@MDA00xx]

I was just born the moment MJ retired the second time and never got to see him play live, even so i still see him as the ALL TIME GOAT

[@ericjordan6059]

You missed out. We were spoiled watching Jordan and I didn't realize it until after he was gone.

[@MDA00xx]

@@ericjordan6059 that’s a privilege man, ive always wished i get to see jordan live at least once in my life

[@stephenneil9345]

I was lucky enough to watch him play. There was a glow to him on the court. You knew something was going to go down. Til this day no one I have watched has had that since Jordan. He was truly special.

[@freedomblazesproductions7485]

Dude they voting for goat. Not ranking. If they voting ranking. Then bird would appear, Kareem would be higher.

[@jonathanRenzo]

Most logical statement in this thread.

[@Marven1k]

Exactly

[@ivobatista4018]

How can these two idiots be on tv with arguments like this one?! It truly amazes me! I mean it's a goat argument where the people that voted were asked who's the best. If they thought individually that Jordan was the best why would they, without prior knowledge of what others voted for, vote for other players? Out of respect? I'ma stay over here with the sensible people.

[@hiimcole2665]

Someone with common sense finally

[@yeahriightt24]

I’m confused if Jordan got 70% of votes and lebron say got 20% Kareem got 10% then wouldn’t that rank them 1, 2 and 3 in vote percentage?

[@Chickentenddies]

“Who’s the GOAT?” Paul Pierce:” That’s easy, me!”

[@iranlassninja7062]

"I wAs mORe cLuTcH tHaN mJ"

[@the3prankskateers704]

Gimme pippen and Rodman in my prime I got it

[@michaelmatheis7551]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Stephen_Loves_You]

Anyone of you guys could’ve replaced Paxson or Kerr.

[@BenLewXI]

Lol Paul Pierce is my favorite player, but this is hilarious 😂😂

[@blackxicano6123]

Kareem's unstoppable move got swatted 2x in a row by Wilt. And I love Kareem, but nobody was seeing Wilt in his prime. He would've been great in ANY ERA.

[@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266]

Yep, but even Wilt had a rough time usually.

[@warrenwise8798]

What is hilarious is how Kevin Durant even ended up in this conversation...he doesn’t belong yet.

[@isaiahwatkins1502]

he never will

[@melvinhhcp3615]

@@isaiahwatkins1502 Lots of players never will.

[@isaiahwatkins1502]

@@melvinhhcp3615 exactly there's no shame in it, KD is what he is at this point 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@shaunphillips3236]

@@isaiahwatkins1502 so where does K.D stand on ur list? Where does he rank

[@isaiahwatkins1502]

@@shaunphillips3236 somewhere in the top 50, he's an elite player & prolific scorer but, he lacks leadership & still hasn't even won a meaningful championship imo.

[@IsaiahJohnsoncocoinc]

Bird-Magic is inseparable. It's almost as if they're a package deal.

[@hansolo3991]

They saved the NBA

[@wyliesalimeno9602]

@Dowhat Iwant This comment literally made me do a spit take.

[@greenmachine6373]

Good Point. Similar with Shaq and Kobe

[@Wesley-kk2ir]

Love the joke but Magic never had AIDS 😼

@@greenmachine6373 lol! Shaq stunk. Kobe was one of the worst shooters in history

[@younggod3906]

Larry Bird was a bad boy . He was cooking cats in the late 70’s & throughout the 80’s

[@selfiekroos1777]

Bird cooks cat. That's unusual.

[@br5073]

selfie kroos What about bird cooks bird?

[@kaptainkool408]

So he was half chinese?

[@nicknino7464]

Idk why I read this literally

[@chip9662]

Joshua Ohale his rookie year was 1979. He played in the 70s for 3 months

[@sexybastian6960]

Nuff said, Michael Jordan is the Greatest of All Time.

[@cumbusta9175]

1-9 yea right🤣

[@shxdow6405]

Not even close I wouldn’t put Jordan number one even if my life was on the line

[@benmoore42]

@@shxdow6405 Then you don’t value your life too much. MJ was not just a little better than LeBron-he was significantly better. Watch full games of MJ and then come back and tell us you think Jordan isn’t the GOAT. Just stop it.

[@toxicjutz1168]

@@cumbusta9175 6-0>>>>>3-6-1 😂..go cry bronsexual

[@shxdow6405]

@Itachi Is superior to you I will do no such thing, I’m not gonna sniff the mans jockstrap like how you are doing right now. Love Jordan but just cuz I like you don’t mean imma ride your coattail into the sunset 💯 I’m objective as I can be in my book there is no basketball goat

[@duffman4655]

Who still remembers the Jordan vs. Bird commercial? :D

[@spaghettisauce445]

“off the wall over the rafters off the scoreboard nothing but net”

[@brandonelps3122]

And Charles barkley

[@jhonpaura8416]

Jordan vs bird game lol

[@willtheconqueror6148]

I’m 24 and I’ve been watching Lebron since 2002 when he was in high school and he’s my favorite player ever. But I watched the Jordan tapes. MJ is the goat

[@Hugh_Jasol]

LeBron James' game is ugly. Straight up ugly.

[@dannyp8056]

I watched MJ throughout the 90s and Lebron his entire career. LeBron never dominated the way MJ did. NEVER.

[@Hamza-fh7md]

Hugh Jasol r u dumb g?

[@dannyp7466]

Marcus Shultz, you’re confusing my point. Either that or you don’t know basketball. I’m saying LeBron didn’t dominate games the way MJ used to. I’m guessing you’re too young to have ever watched Mike.

[@wizzi11able]

@Marcus Schultz Sure because Pippen carried Jordan... Or maybe its due to the fact that he played 5Hof Celtics, Lakers and Pistons without having pretty much a team himself. In the first few years on the Chicago Bulls Jordan had a terrible team, despite that he was still considered the best player in the world by 87, give credit where its due.

[@eddiewilbanks1382]

Kareem 1560 games played Jordan 1072 games played that is almost 6 years worth of games difference...

[@tiredoffools8929]

@Eddie.. thank you sir. All of the players that have more total points than MJ did so with far more games played. That is why career Average is more telling.

[@chaun229]

Not to mention the retirements

[@Maxjuliann]

Jordan also retired in the middle of his prime . If he played the entire 90s he could have won 8 rings straight and most likely would be #1 on the scoring list

[@piccolo5346]

Cut all the top scorers in NBA history to same amount of games and Jordan will come at number one EVERY DAMN TIME

[@Jmndmb32]

And Wilt has only 1045

[@MiguelRodriguez-zd6tq]

Mike retired in the middle of his prime. He would have won at least eight titles, scored 40k+ points, and several more awards. That's not counting his second retirement.

[@soulpringle1612]

Jordan is by far the goat.

[@doubleglock9866]

Look kaj accomplishments and career overall and you ll remove "by far" out of the sentence ...

[@chris6438]

Not he not bill Russell

[@loicmburanumwe5879]

@@doubleglock9866 nah

[@crews-lj3ph]

@@chris6438 dude stop

[@matthewmcbride2416]

@@chris6438 played against farmers

[@allthingslyfe]

Mike retired twice and still is #4 or 5 on all time scoring list

[@Number-gs3rv]

Antwon Mcphail lol true

[@rebornmotorsports1513]

If dude never retires i think he would have more points than kareem by a decent margin

[@lifewithbreion1392]

@@rebornmotorsports1513 thank you!!!! People get it! I thought i was goin crazy

[@ZeRo-yc7zf]

Three times actually

[@Thorcat001]

Kareem has what 1560 games played and Jordan has 1068. (I did not look it up) but if Jordan played 400 more games. 😂

[@isaiahgarcia8257]

Where's Tim Duncan I mean like Tim Duncan the five-time champion and two-time MVP a three-time Finals MVP a 15-time All-Star and he's never missed the playoffs since he was drafted like where's the respect to Tim Duncan

[@N8veJay]

It’s sad that he’s not marketable, relatable or was in a higher populated area because Kobe was still a great player on the most legendary franchises ever but yet I’ve picked Duncan > Kobe, but these players must’ve grown up idolizing Kobe as Laker fans or wanting to match that skill because let’s face it, this league is more guard/small forward heavy than it has ever been and I think that’s where we’re heading

[@aleksjeff3088]

Duncan is better than Lebron that's for sure.

[@sheldonmcfann8617]

@@N8veJay NOPE Kobe is 4-2 against Tim Duncan in the playoffs and he's a better player

[@N8veJay]

Sheldon McFann okay... Dirk is 1-0 vs Kobe, Lebron... Isiah is 3-1 vs MJ, Durant is 2-1 vs Lebron... all of these are playoff series records but there’s more to it... and Duncan arguably has more to it then Kobe... both in TOP 5

[@sheldonmcfann8617]

N8ve Jay true but Kobe and mike got the last laugh with dirk and isiah cuz Kobe got 5 and mike got 6 and in my opinion kd was better than lebron before he got hurt but I do agree with u they Kobe and Tim are both in my top 5

[@Sesboy17]

Jordan is The 🐐 just let it go please...

[@benjaminvammen8445]

Bird is slept on way to much it’s insane, easily top 5 player, he did all that stuff in just 13 years and he wasn’t fully healthy in all of them

[@cumbusta9175]

I mean he’s the 3 greatest SF ever so that’s why

[@JT-rc4ng]

@@cumbusta9175 The greatest SF ever*

[@cumbusta9175]

@@JT-rc4ng how

[@timjacobs2487]

Bird was not athletic...thats whats being held against him. But make no mistake...Bird was THAT GUY!!

[@darthcaseybasquiat]

After the injury he lost alot of his athletic ability growing up a life long Lakers fan and having much respect for bird from my dad having me watch his film he was the 1st player that could tell you in detail exactly what he would do and you couldnt stop him still but he gets no respect seemingly

[@professorx1544]

Because LeBron decided to take care of his body THATS now being held against him lmao

[@TheIcemanthomas]

That's not what's held against him. What's held against him is is longevity. There are guys who were just as elite who had longer resumes is all. Bird as a talent is goat tier, but u have to have the entire package. U need the numbers, accolades, skill, etc. Hes right there, but longevity hurts him.

[@zymosan123]

lebum still is behind larry legend.

[@carlosjantarada7212]

Bird is simply and BY FAR the most clutch player EVER and belongs to a group of 3 players I consider to be the generational GOATS: Kareem, Lebron, MJ and him. Quite franky (due to really distinct reasons) I believe that these 4 guys are the best ever to play the game since the 3 pt line was introduced.

[@budmontana8245]

Jordan has the best points per game record in the NBA. He's behind Kareem in career points because he played less games.

[@desmondhackneyjr4331]

Bud Montana but Jordan’s 5th in all time scoring Kareem, Malone, Kobe, Bron, MJ

[@piccolo5346]

Just goes to show that MJ never chased stats

[@desmondhackneyjr4331]

Piccolo no it dosent just mean the 4 guys ahead could score just like he could lol all respect to Jordan he only played 15 seasons the other guys have played more

[@budmontana8245]

@@desmondhackneyjr4331 he has the best points per game record. That's surely more important? He took two years out in his prime and even when he retired the second time he was the finals MVP in his last game. I think its safe to say that if he hadn't had his hiatus and stuck around a few more years after his sixth ring he'd have sewn up the points record easily.

[@tiredoffools8929]

@@desmondhackneyjr4331 And all of those players ahead of MJ played more seasons. That is Averages are more reflective. If you put all of those other players for their first 1072 games their scoring wouldn't be close to MJ's. It took LBJ over 100 games more and shooting 3s to surpass MJ's scoring. Let that sink in.

[@tcmolk6352]

Larry Bird so underrated, top 5 player of all time, amazing

[@willbelokur5621]

Probably 2nd

[@maneitzme]

@@willbelokur5621 2nd of all time??

[@tcmolk6352]

@Leland Joseph facts

[@broken75.20]

@Leland Joseph Bird is the 2nd most clutch player of all time

[@cumbusta9175]

@@broken75.20 nope it’s lebron

[@wichitadisciple9874]

Max mentioned Shaq Stephen A. mentioned Kareem I'm going to add Olajuwon to the list But MJ is clearly the GOAT

[@HH__09]

In my opinion Kareem is the goat

[@cumbusta9175]

@@HH__09 IMO it’s lebron

[@HH__09]

@@cumbusta9175 for u he is

[@cumbusta9175]

@@HH__09 that’s why I said IMO

[@toxicjutz1168]

@@cumbusta9175 lol 😂..lebron will never be goat kid

[@Jackholiday1025]

It’s nothing against those other players.. it’s just that Jordan was so great and iconic.

[@subscribo2059]

Jordan played against weak teams with an easier era.

[@rosstoombs7301]

SUBSCRIBE TO ME JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO arguably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in my life

[@subscribo2059]

@@rosstoombs7301 😤 alright. Let's do this. Prove me wrong.

[@andybrown7750]

SUBSCRIBE TO ME JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO MJ’s east was harder than lebrons

[@DripzV.]

MJ is the best player in the NBA history. From the records & championships, i know Bill Russel has more chips. But the way Jordan did it, shitz was kray kray. Dude 3Peat twice, never let any finals go to game 7, MVP finals every 6 finals, played defence as much as he played offense & was a clutch player in crunch time. & by the way i’m a Steph Curry fan, but overall MJ was on a different lvl/ different breed.

[@jacobjackson7013]

Blessed to watch MJ in his prime. Watching him in the finals live was amazing. No one compares.

[@mikimiyazaki]

Facts! I was born in 82 so i got to watch MJ display his magic as a young teenager.

[@Boshunz]

MJ without question. Shout out ATLiens

[@selfiekroos1777]

Grew up watching MJ Nothing more inspirational

[@HotBoii91]

I was too young fml 😭😭😭

[@garygorospe5004]

That's great

[@ireesedotcom]

They ask the a relatively young nba league. Ofc they’d say Jordan. But I would pick Jordan too.

[@lutherchaudhari4301]

MJ: the man who doubled the NBA's audience vs Lebron: the man who halved the NBA audience

[@thenemoshow1]

This is Prob the most accurate thing I have ever heard, I stopped watching NBA for years half the time it was the same teams InThe finals every year never any underdogs. When the raptors won in 2019 I got back into it cause it was finally someone different. then the NBA somewhat balanced out I guess with all the trades last summer. Seeing Miami in the finals this year reminded me of the nba days when I was younger and actually enjoyed the games

[@davidschoop1817]

This is simply not true.

[@heliosb3714]

@@thenemoshow1 kinda like the bulls being in the finals every year?

[@thenemoshow1]

@@heliosb3714 wasn’t alive or like 2 years old lol. I’m talking like 04-2010

[@heliosb3714]

@@thenemoshow1 yeah I'm saying NBA was at it's most popular when Jordan and the bulls were winning the finals every single year

[@rochae0343]

If MJ played as many years as kareem he certainly would have been the all time scorer. Kareem may have the most points, but jordan was the greatest scorer

[@SugarRay2]

rochae 03 the thing is MJ didn’t! Could he have? Maybe, maybe not! You’re only speculating.

[@Leo-sv2nb]

And he hampered his career with smoking and gambling.

[@nathanaelgion2762]

@@SugarRay2 He was on par to beat it. By the end of MJs 13th year and 6th ring he had 29,277 points. By the end of Kareems 13th year he had 28,088 career points. MJ only played 15 seasons while Kareem played 20. MJ definitely could have beat his record had he played a full career instead of retiring once to play baseball when his dad was murdered and another time for 3 years after he had won his 6th ring.

[@SugarRay2]

@@nathanaelgion2762 If you're going to go down that path then you could argue that if Kareem held the ball for as many minutes as MJ he would have scored even more points.

[@nathanaelgion2762]

@@SugarRay2 He played 5 more years than MJ. 5 years. I don't care how long he gets to hold the ball. 5 years is 410 games

[@anonguy6453]

So glad to hear Bird get his in this debate. Dude is massively underated in the goat discussion.

[@ThebirdmanTrainer]

Bird beat everyone in his era including Jordan.

[@wholelotta5387]

Bird wouldn’t even be an average player in this league today. He would be so trash lol. Only some players in the back in da day era can be good in todays. 🤷🏾‍♂️.

[@yvans.]

WholeLotta Inc💰 bro If jokic right now and also Dirk in the 2000’s are dominant player today Larry would be also but you don’t know shit about basketball you just watch player for their athletic ability with your dumbass.

[@DaSliceAndDice]

WholeLotta Inc💰 Bird would’ve excelled in this era, what are you even talking about. The dude was Stephen Curry long before there was a Stephen Cury. He was a 3 point machine. The man could shoot from anywhere on the floor and it was going in if somebody wasn’t playing some great D. And you do understand that Bird beat Jordan (The GOAT) TWICE. The dude was an absolute monster. Top 5 of all time in my book.

[@wholelotta5387]

Yvans You compared Jokic n Dirk to Larry Bird and I don’t kno basketball? Someone get dis clown outta here 😭😭 goof

[@katalysis]

The issue with a lot of stats is that they don't normalize them. MJ has accomplished a lot in his career and still holds many all-time records, especially scoring. Now, normalize by NBA seasons played, and MJ is absolutely untouchable. Jordan's rise to the top was more or less instant starting with his rookie year in the league, and he has done so much more in so few seasons, that the concentration of excellence per season was just unreal.

[@Red10Ferrari]

Jordan left and came back, he should have 8 championships!

[@jj18057]

Shouldn't have gotten that secret suspension...

[@melvinhhcp3615]

10 championships. I honestly think the Bulls could've swept the entire 90's decade.

[@utkarshbagaria298]

Yeah in your dreams

[@syrahdumonde1089]

I think this is a total disrespect to Hakeem Olajuwon.

[@BonesDMS4life]

@@syrahdumonde1089 they only won cuz mike was retired the two years that Houston won literally were during that time

[@solemagus4761]

Larry Legend Is the only player to score a 47 point triple double with his left hand. Not joking yall the man on Feb. 14 1986 Had 14 rebs and 11 assists... with his left hand. I acknowledge MJ as GOAT Pippen's actually my favorite player but I have never seen anyone have a triple double like that let alone 47 points with his least dominant hand just because he felt like it. And those touch passes.. Bird was Legend FRFR

[@solemagus4761]

@@ripkobe2897 Boi!!! Thas his dominant hand lol That was pretty funny tho

[@hiunchen2222]

He could do it would both hands.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@solemagus4761]

@@hiunchen2222 Harden? HAHAHA No TF he can't lol

[@jacksonk75k95]

@@ripkobe2897 James harden isn't shit when he doesn't get bullshit calls

[@drcoconut935]

SCP 83 fax he white as hell and still top 5. Respect

[@keithliggins8695]

My dad & I argued over dinner last summer 2018 when he said Larry Bird was better than Lebron James. He past Dec.13,2018 I wish he could’ve been here to see this debate. Rest easy father🙌🏾

[@TheGreatOne2922]

Your father was a wise man....RIP

[@brendagray9296]

May your father RIP. It seems like your dad was a Great man

[@JO-oc3ne]

RIP to your dad bro

[@ManorexicPanda]

RIP bro ❤️

[@lainiwakura4678]

Your father was right.

[@Burdania]

When is Alec Caruso going to get his respect?

[@halloweenmew7776]

When he gets good

[@lookaschewa9917]

Burdania East honestly these Caruso jokes are getting really repetitive and unfunny. But it’s a good joke If u said this 1 year ago.

[@schoolspirit2751]

when he earns it.

[@TheRealJuhmal]

When you spell his name right.

[@maneitzme]

@@TheRealJuhmal he edited it 😂

[@jvostudio]

There are 3 type of goats Mj - Kobe Magic - Lebron Bird - KD They are all in their own league

[@D1Krshout]

💯

[@tadeokrzos2550]

@Prasanth Sridhar facts..

[@D1Krshout]

@Prasanth Sridhar would Dirk and Tim be a reach? Both fundamentally sound unstoppable forces when they get going

[@michaelshaw3823]

Bruh everyone here acts like Wilt Chamberlain wasn’t a thing

[@maneitzme]

@@D1Krshout Tim maybe but Dirk single handily won the best championship of all time in my opinion. Maybe not best but most well earned.

[@knowledgeseeker4116]

😂 Bird was like here is what I'm going to do and how I'm going to do it...... And he does it. The struggle was real for some who had to defend against Larry.

[@MM-oj2pf]

What’s hilarious is that MJ DIDNT GET 100%

[@Kaden4429]

M M not really

[@MegaLBreezy]

Nah. Haters are real.

[@Kaden4429]

MegaLBreezy there are some arguments some more valid than others

[@omeribrahim750]

M M no

[@pet3r387]

Antonio Kim tbf if there is going to be ever a better player than Jordan in the future, Jordan won’t ever admit that that player is better than he was. He was an amazing player and competitor but you wouldn’t want to meet him let alone play with him lol

[@thejb8107]

It honestly kinda pisses me off that nobody even talked about Wilt Chamberlain. If you wanna talk about really dominating the game, he's your man

[@elijahzamora3733]

played in the 60s put alex caruso in the 60s he’s averaging 50 or 60

[@imperatorboxing5071]

I could put up 10PPG in that era

[@monsak5078]

@@elijahzamora3733 prolly, but if you have Caruso born in 40's and then start playing basketball and make his way up to the NBA. Dude would be a decent role player nothing more

[@QankoIvanov]

@@elijahzamora3733 No he aint lol but I can almost guarantee you Wilt wouldve been able to dominate Jordan in his prime, maybe even in his late 40s

[@elijahzamora3733]

@@QankoIvanov i hope ur joking

[@philfromkali]

This was a really good conversation! Love the lack of recency bias!

[@borood1188]

In Bird's prime he was putting up 28/12/7 with high shooting efficiency. Was on all defense team several times. The best teammate he ever had was McHale, no slouch, but certainly not one of the best either.

[@professorx1544]

Consistency also counts you Lebron hater

[@gosu5850]

Kevin Durant could do that but doesn’t

[@Shabazzx1]

@@adicrossover7744 No way McHale is over Malone, Barkley, Garnett or Nowitzki

[@jdsilvestri]

Don't talk about Bird's team as a bonus lol, please god. He is amazing, but stop reaching.

[@leandropereira6220]

No only McHale... What about Parish? Boston and Lakers were super teams in the 80s.

[@LABoutaBagDoe]

Paul Pierce think if he had Scottie Pippen he would be better than Jordan😭😂

[@blackout8777]

paul pierce was trash man lol

[@johnnytomahawk]

@@blackout8777 fuck you have some respect jabronie.

[@Jiron127]

The thing is, pippen is better than him too lol

[@Tawknmysht]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

[@jeremy95ize]

black out nah he wasn’t trash

[@Jeffcrocodile]

Bird was my favorite player all time until Jordan. And nothing changed since then.

[@nostalgicgaming5944]

"Sometimes I dream That he is me You've got to see that's how I dream to be I dream I move, I dream I groove...🎵"

[@ninjatype2615]

Basketball means Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan means Basketball. Thats what we've learn in time.

[@arieshipolito68]

Ninja Type nah 73% votes jordan haha 50% of that is lebron hater thats why they vote jordan. we never talk about jordan without talking about lebron.

[@arieshipolito68]

LeVelle Coley domt act like a fool men jordan face less talent in the finals with h.i.v magic omg bro if jordan face this juggernaut talents like the heat raps spurs warriors mj also needs help hes no way can win to this team stop over hyping mj pretending that hes a god hes not man face the truth move on to youre past bro

[@sheepdavis]

So we're going to ignore Kareem's 38,000 points and Bill Russell's 11 rings?

[@arieshipolito68]

Dix Winger kareem and rusell are tge titans before the goda

[@spacepioneer4070]

Sure, to a younger audience....But, i see your point.

[@kemueltabamo4882]

Players and analyst: Michael Jordan is the GOAT Lebron: I'am the GOAT after i defeat 73-9 warriors. LAVAR FREAKING BALL: I never loss to anyone. He's the real GOAT

[@blackbird3589]

NEVA LOST!

[@Loganbub]

Lavar would school Prime Jordan and Prime LeBron at the same time barely breaking a sweat 😤😤

[@nitinpandey6037]

@@Loganbub lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@whiskyngeets]

It was so fun as a kid growing up in the "Be Like Mike" era. For me that was a magical time of basketball. NBA Jams, y'all! But yes, Bird was absolutely amazing... like, I'm going to pause on that - Bird was AMAZING, but yeah Michael Jordan was my b-ball HERO as a kid. Charles Barkley lives in my neighborhood down in the A. I've seen Chuck out at the bars a lot over the years. Pretty cool to have the dream team legend around. He's still got a mouth on him, lol.

[@DarthRevan823]

MJ> everybody else keep in mind I’m a Celtics fan

[@jacksock5418]

Bird told people on other teams "Oh don't put that white boy on me. You don't want that." 😂

[@randysavage2430]

Pat L lmao!!

[@mr.simonphoenix7181]

That’s one of my favorite basketball stories of all-time...

[@kobethomas1352]

Pat L doggg😂😂😂

[@johnmodest5896]

He a cold one for real.. He used to diss bench players all the time. Billy Thompson (who was a Laker bench player) he said Bird told him “I didn’t recognize you without a towel on your neck..” and told other bench players “I bet you never sat on a cold seat before” BIRD IS A SHIT TALKER!! 😂

[@bradlewis6514]

He was the ASSASSIN in the fourth qtr of every game he played! The Celtics always had a chance at the end if Bird was on the floor! Biggest example - all u hafta do is ask Isiah! I'll leave it at that

[@Younghog87]

Steven A saying MJ didn’t score as many points as Kareem but Kareem played like 400 more games 😂🤣

[@Younghog87]

massive legend I’m stating facts, Steven A is the one who had to point out that Kareem has more points than MJ but he failed to say Kareem also played more games

[@Aj-xl2in]

Lebron passed mj with less shot attempts

[@Younghog87]

Anthony Lyles LeBrons played more games than MJ also and lost more Finals then MJ & Kobe combined

[@ortiz_919]

Jordan is a better scorer than both Kareem and LeBron. I mean he has the Highest ppg average for regular season and for the playoffs. He is the only player to crack 30+ppg in each category. END OF DISCUSSION.

[@professorx1544]

massive legend We all know if MJ never retired twice he wouldve surpassed Kareem

[@canunotg]

I find it hard to name my top 5 nba players of all time. But I find it really easy to choose my number one greatest of all time. 1. Jordan 2. Everyone else

[@Zoot004]

MJ was nice, but played in the league when you could be a lottery pick at 5' 3." I am not discrediting his accomplishments, but I do not think that he would be The NBA superstar that he was today. Who is to say that DeMar Derozan could not be "The MJ" of the older era?

[@Black_Diamond31]

@@Zoot004 demar derozan didn't play in the older era and has access to more things that enable him to be more skilled. that's why no one says that

[@Zoot004]

@@Black_Diamond31 MJ had access to more things that enabled him to be more skilled than the generations before him as well. That is how sports evolve.

[@Black_Diamond31]

@@Zoot004 this literally proves my point

[@Zoot004]

@@Black_Diamond31 My reply was intended to come off as agreeing with your point.

[@Jive33]

Where can we see this list?

[@qceaz11]

It really should've been 100% for Mike & the fact that Tim Duncan never gets any respect makes me sick dude won 50 plus games in every season but 1 not to mention he's won a ring in 3 different decades smh

[@trentonmullins4948]

Mr Q Ceaz facts

[@qceaz11]

@@AmadAlkatreb real talk & I think they went 37-13 plus they won the championship David Robinson doesn't win a ring if it wasn't for Duncan

[@Letsrebuildfaithinhumanity]

Not everyone will like Jordan. Everyone feels the same for their player

[@OmniscientVirtuosity]

Mr Q Ceaz Foh. He played with crazy hall of famers his entire career. Robinson, ginobili and Parker all would’ve won chips playing literally anywhere else. Tim is nice but he is rated appropriately. Top 20. That’s it. You can’t be a goat barely being a 20 and 11 guy. There are point guards who do that for a career. He was great defensively. But so are the dudes rated better than he

[@forthe3136]

OmniscientVirtuosity I’m not even going to talk about how stupid your comment is or even try to educate you. Just how do you have him top 20 and not top 10🤦‍♂️.

[@borood1188]

Olajuwon was the most skilled big man ever. Period.

[@SeaOrcRonnie]

Truth

[@compfrags9369]

Joel embiid on the come up

[@sidjones16]

Wilt led the league in assists one year and probably averaged a triple double his career if they'd recorded blocks back then. Keem is top 3 though.

[@Lootroq]

I don't think anyone would disagree with that

[@nk5.56]

Nah

[@Anorxite4]

the way stephen a says "19 time all star" so casually is hilarious

[@temptationfps]

The fact that bird shot that shot behind the backboard without hesitation is just insane aint noone be doing this so confidently like that Need this man’s highlights asap

[@yrntg8356]

Where my boy Norris Cole he won back2back chips his first 2 years

[@tikodavenport5427]

Yrn Tg LMFAOOOOOOO big facts.

[@cedricjohnson8530]

Yrn Tg 😂😂😂💀💀💀

[@mauricedoug314]

LMAOOOOOOO

[@klsounds]

And he won the college championship i believe the year before he came in to the nba

[@Alexa-iq6it]

Hes playing for the team from my city-Buducnost Podgorica.Hes playing in 2nd best league in the world and hes very good still.

[@CHP.Spinna]

No one: Absolutely no one: Molly:”Is KD a already a top 5 player of all time”

[@c.kizzee8961]

He will be soon. He's more talented than you're favorite guy.

[@eduardoolivas5531]

@@c.kizzee8961 so your saying kevin Durant is better than Michael Jordan

[@temanchi5006]

eddyiz 101 kd is waaaaaay more talented than jordan but jordan was a better worker imo

[@mogamethanu]

C. Kizzee KD! Can I get an autograph?

[@juanpinochet9315]

@@temanchi5006 stay off the crack

[@TheballadofJ]

The fact that Michael Jordan is still regularly discussed on sports shows over 20 years after he retired is a testament to his greatness. He is the GOAT and Lebron has never reached that level of greatness.

[@aimeegabrielle8542]

Never will

[@jehanmano7480]

How can he though, hasn’t been 20 years since he’s retired

[@Zoot004]

MJ was nice, but played in the league when you could be a lottery pick at 5' 3." I am not discrediting his accomplishments, but I do not think that he would be The NBA superstar that he was today. Who is to say that DeMar Derozan could not be "The MJ" of the older era?

[@TheballadofJ]

@@Zoot004 Are you referring to Muggsy Bogues? So because he happened to be really good for his size and made it into the league, that means the league was easier? Muggsy was an outlier. The players were just as big if not stronger than they are today. The defense played in the 80s and 90s was much tougher than it is today. A lot of players in today's league are benefitting from a softer league. Derozan would not be as good in Jordan's era and Jordan would easily average 40 in today's league.

[@Chris-2]

@@Zoot004 ​ bro that is the single handed dumbest reasoning behind MJ not being #1 I’ve ever heard lmaoo. And in case you youngins didn’t know, MJ retired in ‘97, came back in 2001 as a near 40 year old who was out of basketball for almost 5? Years, and averaged 23 a game, then 20 a game in 2002. Bron was drafted in 2003, so to say MJ wouldn’t have dominated in today’s game in his prime is ABSURD lmao. It’s actually laughable

[@mustaphamoussaoui9596]

I was chearching for the definition of Basket Bal and I Found Michael Jordan. MJ is simply the GOAT

[@atca8722]

Young people not knowing proper basketball history is the crime here.

[@papito5ft6]

What do you deem "proper basketball history"? Blindly saying MJ is the best and that's it? Because ur ignoring his WHOLE career..you know...basketball history...

[@youngbillrussell34]

If mike hadn't retired 3x, he would have passed Kareem. If you ever seen mike play, you would say hes the goat

[@magnol1a_]

@@youngbillrussell34 "If"

[@youngbillrussell34]

@@magnol1a_ you have to be young to say if.

[@magnol1a_]

@@youngbillrussell34 I literally quoted you saying if

[@567bc]

Stephen A of course MJ didn’t break Kareem’s scoring records he didn’t play as many seasons 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@caliba100]

MJ retired because he was burnt like a motherfucker. Nigga took 2 years off, come back fresh, 3peat and burnt the fuck out again. All those years MJ didnt played benefitted his ass and yall complain that he could have won more if he never retired. You never know what would have happen if he never retired. Maybe he would have gotten a career injury and never came close to 6 rings. Everything in life happens for a reason.

[@easyreads01]

You obviously didn't watch the video, Stephen A said himself if Jordan played the same amount of seasons as Kareem he wouldn't have eclipsed Kareem as the leading scorer in NBA history. Keep going kid, you'll get there.

[@qiparoonie]

Which is a fault on MJs part, not a valid excuse

[@mikekirkland2487]

That's what I'm saying. If MJ didn't retire the first time or miss more than half of that '95 season, he would of broken that record. MJ got like 2500-300 a season. So that record wold of been broken if Mike would of kept playing.

[@chuckrambo4401]

caliba Like Lebron Losing and Losing and Losing and Losing and Losing in the Finals 🤔 it was 5 times right? Or do I need to add another “Losing” 😂😂😂

[@masharion]

The top 5 players in my opinion is 1: Michael Jordan 2: Kobe 3: I guess LeBron 4: Kareem 5: Wilt Chamberlain

[@hisokamorow3756]

Yes Jabbar had the Sky Hook. But, check out the old Clips, Wilt did Block some of those Sky Hook Shots😎, rayray ✊✌️

[@redfirebird2008]

Kellerman is spot on about Larry Bird. He was an incredible player and phenomenal leader. Turned out to be a pretty damn good coach and executive as well.

[@DMGG22]

In MVPs not championships

[@bio2020]

Im tired of people just repeating that Lebron is better than Bird. HE IS NOT BETTER THAN BIRD.

[@leonardopessanha5128]

The problem with Bird is longevity. He has like 7 good seasons. I totally agree, amazing seasons, but what LeBron has done and is doing (probably a top 20 player this year) is amazing. LeBron in had his stats peak in the Cavaliers 2007-09 31-8-7, was his in best form in 2012-13, especially in defender, won a championship against the Warriors in 2016. Can't say that this isn't GOAT talk. Bird had a greater peak, but LeBron is unique

[@bio2020]

@@leonardopessanha5128 31-8-7 in the inflated weak era after rule changes to open up scoring. Look at Westbrook averaging a triple double for 3 years straight. Guy cherry picks rebounds after free throws and has his own teammates leave him rebounds. Lebrons stats dont mean anything to me. Look at his game. There is nothing amazing about his game. He puts his head down and charges the rim for layups. Every now and then he hits an open jumper. But his stats are inflated due to weak era. And longevity doesn't mean someone is a better player.

[@westonstevens3239]

I remember watching MJ live his last few years in the NBA and just being in complete awe of how good he was. I wasnt even a Bulls fan but I was mesmerized. I havent felt like that about any NBA player since.

[@joshuadesjardins8294]

"If I needed someone to make a shot to save a game? Michael Jordan. If I needed someone make a shot to save my LIFE? Larry Bird." - Pat Riley (Hall of fame) I still think Jordan is the GOAT. But the little amount of respect and recognition this generation has for Bird is astonishing.

[@edmundolanderos6085]

In 1991,1992 everybody used to say that Jordan was the best player ever walked on the court . What changed now ? I really believe Jordan is the best ever .

[@ballshd6884]

He was the best the first time he stepped foot

[@mauricejohnson1068]

How the hell did ai and KD get a vote 😂😂

[@itsmike5757]

AI probably got a favorite player vote instead of a legit goat player vote and Kd voted for him self with a burner account

[@markreadin7124]

Their favorite players probably

[@brucelee8926]

Kevin "easy rings " Durant should be his new nickname

[@gjordan6217]

Cuz I fxck wit both of them

[@buddyfats4768]

@@itsmike5757 Don't forget Brandon Ingram

[@lenmc8833]

About time some respect was put on Larry Legends name. Way to go Max!

[@piccolo5346]

Still not the GOAT by a longshot

[@emerysutton5430]

@@piccolo5346 yeah Bird 5 LeBron 4 Russell 3 Kareem 2 Jordan took the best player from Bird in 88

[@vt248]

Max is an idiot, he thinks LeChoke's #2 when he aint even top 5

[@TheInferno0099]

@@piccolo5346 nobody said he was the goat

[@deandrepage1048]

The list was to antagonize Lebron James. 😀😀😀 Backfired

[@meloman12]

This was very informative about bird and Kareem

[@samwelsh8241]

In terms of impact on the game of basketball Wilt, Russ, Doc, and Maravich are the four who set the foundations for greatness in basketball

[@opefariyike3522]

Jordan …?

[@greatestever.8177]

Paul Pierce is like give me Pip and Rodman I’d easily be sitting on 8 or 9 chips, easy

[@ihatemrjesteracp1678]

Greatest Ever. W

[@jordanwillett8456]

Lol ok 👌 jordan in his prime 94-99 could win with anyone there's no comparison period theres a reason hes ao hifhly respected Rodman wasn't scoring any points he was a great rebounder and defender and what ever heppend8to Scotty when MJ left

[@kenwanmiles403]

Jordan Willett That’s not true. Ain’t no great player ever won chip with “just anyone” and every knows Jordan’s prime was 90-93

[@mikeruck2888]

Jordan Willett MJ could win with anyone huh? So when MJ was averaging 50 and getting swept in the first round, those players werent just anyone? 😂 What did Pippen do without MJ? When he retired the 1st time? Or the last time from the bulls? Well the 1st time Pippen just exposed the fact that the Bulls situation was similar to GSWs situation with KD. No one had any idea......that MJ was playing on a 50+ win team until MJ retired 😂 So dont say MJ could win with anyone, because MJ had a top 5 team in the league lol

[@dinoo7911]

Mike, you ignore the fact that Euro super star Toni Kukoc and sharp shooter Steve Kerr were added to the team.

[@lcasanova2546]

Pretty much all jordan peers said he was the best ever ....MAGIC AND BIRD WILL TELL U THAT !

[@subscribo2059]

Jordan played in an easier era. Where illegal defense was a thing. You can say he's the best one on one but, Kobe has that title.

[@222savvy]

@@subscribo2059 fool the easiest area is now no defense, can't get physical, and bunch of weak teams...you can't compare to MJ area wh ed n they had physical teams like Pistons, Rockets, Boston, Portland, Knicks, Seattle...

[@subscribo2059]

@@222savvy do you know what illegal defense is? And I saw the old tapes. Jordan was getting calls every time he went for the hoop. The early 2000s was actually the best.

[@222savvy]

@@subscribo2059 illegal defense? That's the way the game was played then...different era different rules...

[@subscribo2059]

@@222savvy it was easier for Jordan.

[@arthurbrown2075]

Let me tell you there is a lot great players but MJ was way above everyone else and we all know this . I'm waiting for the goat debate for Anthony Davis

[@trollanonymously2434]

Anthony Davis is way too SOFT to ever be in that convo. Dude falls down in a moderate breeze.

[@Zoot004]

MJ was nice, but played in the league when you could be a lottery pick at 5' 3." I am not discrediting his accomplishments, but I do not think that he would be The NBA superstar that he was today. Who is to say that DeMar Derozan could not be "The MJ" of the older era?

[@user-bw7to8mz9u]

Kareem played on Uncle Drew’s team, and didn’t put on makeup. Completely unstoppable and super competitive is a GOAT trademark.

[@Jack655321]

Bird in his prime is in contention for GOAT status. Top 5 without discussion. Thanks to that 1st dude for making his case.

[@htut80]

Bird did it back when defenders were actually allowed to defend. Jordan > Bird > Kobe

[@TimelessTales918]

jordan>wilt>bird>kobe>kareem

[@suckmygooglies99]

Bird would suck in today’s game. Offensively he would be a beast but he would be complete trash on defense. He would be like a slightly better klove if you think about it.

[@jtaylorgang9140]

@@suckmygooglies99 if you think about it you'd know this was a dumb comment. First dont ever compare Bird to Love again cuz it ain't even close. Birds career numbers are identical to lebrons. 27pts 10rebs 5assist a game. I may be slightly off but doubt it. Dude dropped like 27pts with just his left hand cuz he was bored. 3 straight MVPs. And u wanna compare him to Love lmao. Defense is where u think he gonna struggle cuz todays athletes but dont forget he played against dr J, MJ, dominic, some of the greatest athletes ever

[@iamEricHall]

@@jtaylorgang9140 Luka Doncic, Dirk Nowitski, Tim Duncan, Paul Pierce, and Carmelo Anthony are guys who were not very athletic and were all-stars in the current era.

[@jalves6494]

Larry Bird is a top 5 player of all time, one of the clutches shooters and passers in NBA history

[@Anthony-945]

J Alves Facts

[@charlycash]

I agree best Small Forward ever.

[@russell9411]

@@charlycash not better than lebron nor kd. U guys are sick and delusional.

[@anthony9327]

Not top 5

[@anthony9327]

MJ,Lebron,Kobe,Kareem,magic

[@ghion7313]

I don't think goat just has to do only how much success you achieved in your career but also how entertaining and motivating you were. Michel does not just score an average of 30 points but he did them in style

[@clharris7211]

With his tongue hanging out

[@joelever4642]

I’d say Dirk’s fadeaway was the other unstoppable move in NBA history

[@elojahriley5352]

Not really

[@eliterob5812]

That year he won the finals, he couldn't be stopped by anyone

[@elojahriley5352]

@@eliterob5812 true but that dose not mean he had a unstoppable move

[@eliterob5812]

@@elojahriley5352 that year it was.

[@elojahriley5352]

@@eliterob5812 I mean you could say that but he was a great player a great player is suppose to do that

[@TonyVega123]

73%? It should be 102%

[@donnelladams340]

Exactly

[@henrybuchan4688]

Bill Russell and Wilt both better

[@sevnupking]

@@henrybuchan4688 lol

[@henrybuchan4688]

@@sevnupking 11 rings is hard to argue against

[@henrybuchan4688]

@@kdotfrees2687 The height differential between players now and the 1960s is a complete myth. According to basketball reference, the average player was 1 inch shorter then (6'6 vs 6'7) and then they were measured barefoot and heights were not rounded to the next inch. For example, Bill Russell was 6'9 5/8 without shoes and was listed at 6'9. Today, Dwight Howard was measured at 6'9 with shoes and is listed at 6'11. Deandre Jordan is less than 6'10 without shoes, Blake Griffin is just over 6'8, and Kevin Love is just under 6'8.

[@mrczz6690]

Mj took basketball to another level worldwide. Absolutely huge for the game. Without question, the best ever

[@vicrattlehead6386]

even unborn baby knows who MJ is.

[@TheAnonapersons]

Kwhai playing like MJ for all u folks out there that never got to witness MJ .... except MJ did it year after year in playoff games that count once he was in his prime ... if Kwhai can do this for another 5 years winning rings healthy he'd up there with MJ too .. just know that's how efficent and good MJ was just like Kwhai is doing now as a comparison.

[@Keepit-qk3eg]

False wilt made the game NATIONAL the NBA didn’t really gain fame tell wilt came and started dominating against russel who looked in beatable I wish u kids a go research

[@petercasnocha5340]

It is kinda interesting how this point is almost never brought up in goat conversation...maybe because when you take it into consideration the debate is OVER...then no one and I mean no one comes even close to mj

[@michellerobinson4451]

The Spurs did that wtf

[@forsakenwarlord5752]

I think when it comes to Kareem he's not the only person to have an unstoppable move but he was the first. I would say for NBA players with unstoppable moves you've got to consider dirk, that high arcing fadeaway was just as impossible to stop as the hook shot

[@ryand8338]

Wilt Chamberlain was the only player who could choose what statistic he would lead the league in that season.

[@lhype1748]

Facts and was the most athletic player my grandpa said he was as fast as bron and stronger than any other nba player rn

[@adamzullo3624]

But he couldn’t choose if he was going to win a chip or not.

[@MaestorRasanen]

"No one ever could have stopped." Stephen. Wilt blocked it. Twice.

[@MaestorRasanen]

@RamblingBaba _ Maybe the second. Not the first. It wasn't called as goaltending so it was blocked on both.

[@DanYeLL2003]

Maestör Rasanen THANK YOU!

[@leviuzumaki3903]

RamblingBaba _ goaltending was around when kareem was there goaltending was around for most of wilts career actually and neither of those blocks were goaltended on they were both clean blocks and that was on an mvp kareem so yeah

[@igotthejuice2090]

And wilt was 40

[@bballah4lyfe]

@@igotthejuice2090 wilt retired at age 36. Those blocks were recorded when he was 34yrs old relax

[@Price70]

In only 13 seasons worth of games, 6 Finals MVPs, two 3peats, highest ppg ever in the Finals, highest ppg for a single Finals series, never under 20 ppg in 35 Finals games, never under 15 ppg in a playoff game, 173 playoff games with at least 20 ppg, 109 playoff games with at least 30 ppg, 8 playoff games with at least 50 ppg, 63 points in a playoff game vs the eventual champs, 10 scoring titles, 7 scoring titles in a row before his first retirement, 8 seasons averaging 30 ppg, 30 ppg career, 33 ppg playoffs, 9 all defensive first teams, over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season twice, most blocks ever regular season by a guard, most blocks by a guard single season, 3 steals titles, 3rd all time in steals, 5th all time in points, 5 league MVPs, Defensive Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year and in one season Defensive Player of the Year, Scoring Champion, All Star MVP, League MVP and Slam Dunk Contest Champion

[@Price70]

@Nova Man I love Bird too. He his highly underrated nowadays

[@aleksjeff3088]

Lebron is clearly not for a top 5 of all time just yet. He's being compared to Bird, Jordan but he got swept in the finals TWICE in his career the people he's compared with never ever embarassed themselves like that, LeBron is also 20% during clutch time he's obviously not among the very very best. He's just stat-padding as a pg these days...

[@johnburton6346]

Jordan played with inferior centers. Kareem is the GOAT.

[@Price70]

@@johnburton6346 In only 13 seasons worth of games, 6 Finals MVPs, two 3peats, highest ppg ever in the Finals, highest ppg for a single Finals series, never under 20 ppg in 35 Finals games, never under 15 ppg in a playoff game, 173 playoff games with at least 20 ppg, 109 playoff games with at least 30 ppg, 8 playoff games with at least 50 ppg, 63 points in a playoff game vs the eventual champs, 10 scoring titles, 7 scoring titles in a row before his first retirement, 8 seasons averaging 30 ppg, 30 ppg career, 33 ppg playoffs, 9 all defensive first teams, over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season twice, most blocks ever regular season by a guard, most blocks by a guard single season, 3 steals titles, 3rd all time in steals, 5th all time in points, 5 league MVPs, Defensive Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year and in one season Defensive Player of the Year, Scoring Champion, All Star MVP, League MVP and Slam Dunk Contest Champion

[@johnburton6346]

@Price Pittsburgh Isaiah Thomas Detroit Piston Teams OWNED Michael Jordan Bulls ( and Celtics too) during Jordan’s early years. If Scottie Pippen hadn’t become stronger by taking steroids (and make no mistake, Scottie was a pansy day one), Jordan would have become nothing more than a glorified version of Karl Malone. No one (other than Moses Malone for one year), or no Team ever owned Kareem. All of Jordan’s Titles and individuality awards manifested from Scottie Pippen during a period Centers were second rate in the Leauge. Oscar Robinson was a better guard than Micheal hands down. From a stat standpoint, LeBron James career stats circle ⭕️ Michael’s. Michael never won anything on Kareem’s watch. Kareem is the GOAT🐐.

[@reenslax]

Hasn't dirk an completely unstoppable one signature move too? Also the only move that had become copied and ist still bring used today? Who still hook shots the ball?

[@princeofpolymaths2014]

Wow Stephen A Smith 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾. Bravo! The most sense he has ever spoken. Great monologue on K Abdul Jabbar and Bird.