Michael Jordan or Kevin Durant: Stephen A. & Perk debate the NBA's greatest scorer ever | First Take

Michael Jordan or Kevin Durant: Stephen A. & Perk debate the NBA's greatest scorer ever | First Take
Kendrick Perkins argues that Kevin Durant is the greatest scorer in NBA history, but Stephen A. Smith makes a case for Michael Jordan.
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[@ovandograham7793]

Jordan, averaged 30.1 for his career, won 10 scoring titles and his efficiency was insane. Dude shot 49% for his career

[@fusionn4316]

.497% FG = 50% FG

[@Prophecytheghost]

And keep in mind it was 32 ppg prior to his return to the Wizards!

[@bootyshake5043]

SO lebron is better right

[@chuckbarkley2755]

with no spacing either

[@adammcg7115]

MJ launched up more shots and KD is more efficient everywhere on the court

[@aggelostzimagiorgis]

Greatest scorer? Easily mj 10 scoring titles most ppg

[@jordanoliver628]

Who was he competing against though?

[@dutchmastah07]

@@jordanoliver628 please young person tell me how good the comp was in the 80’s and 90’s and how today’s game is just so much harder to score.

[@aggelostzimagiorgis]

@@jordanoliver628 I think it's way easier to score today... like the bey dude from pistons scored 53 and nobody knows him so...

[@NBAKING149]

Mj took the 2nd most shots per game after elgin baylor in nba history he better had got the scoring titles

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

@@NBAKING149 he has the highest player effecienciy ever... google it.

[@MGPCycling]

So.... Michael Jordan has the highest PPG Average in NBA history in the regular season, then UPPED that in the Playoffs. He has the most scoring titles in NBA History with 10, and tied with Wilt Chamberlain for 7 straight, and no one else in history has more than 4.... But Kevin Durant is the greatest scorer in NBA history???? Oh ffs.......🤦🏾‍♂

[@adammcg7115]

MJ launched more shots on worse efficiency..

[@schuylerkrizay6192]

TBH KD is better shooter from almost anywhere on the floor. MJ is a better driver can lay up shots with ease especially above the rim.

[@MGPCycling]

@@adammcg7115 That's quite a bit hyperbolic. Jordan was a 49.7% career shooter as a Guard, and that includes his 2 seasons shooting well under 50% as a Wizard. KD is a 49.6% career shooter as a Forward. Now you can say that the reason for this is because KD shoots more 3s, and that would be true. But the point remains that your "worse efficiency" argument is undercut by the fact that they have equal career FG%, so far. As KD ages that will likely come down.

[@adammcg7115]

@@MGPCycling Nothing hyperbolic about it.. FG% is a stone age way of looking at efficiency.. It doesn't work. TS% considers everything.. And MJs best season of 61.4% would be 10th in KDs career. It's not close.

[@adammcg7115]

@@MGPCycling Take away those two years in Washington and it's still not close..

[@KJ-uy1sd]

The lane was way more clogged in Jordan’s era because there were no stretch 5’s. We’ll never know but I would have loved to see Jordan play with all this space

[@momex6800]

This can be countered too because back in the day there was a rule called “illegal defense” where the opposing center could only be on the side of the paint where the other center was. So basically anyone in that era had to beat their first man on a iso then they would have a free lane to the basket. Then from there the center has to gamble on trying to block the driver or read it to see if they were going to dump it to the center on the other side of the paint. Nonetheless I still think jordan’s the greatest scorer ever.

[@MGPCycling]

@@momex6800 you've been listening to the nonsense Jason Williams was spouting off rather than actually watching the games back then. The lane was so clogged back during the 90s and 00s compared to today. You typically saw anywhere from 2-4 people as a barrier to entry at all times. Today if you have one person in the lane you might be lucky.

[@sean70729]

@@momex6800 The refs rarely called it and the offensive player would have a hand on his hip and an elbow on his ribs being steered to the shot blocker.

[@alexescutia4805]

Kd won his scoring titles and mvp with Steven adams as his center dawg

[@marquisecarter4400]

65 or 70 a game wit a average of 25 to 30 free throws they couldn't stop him then wit the hard play they couldn't touch him this Era so who betting he just miss open layups and dunks

[@sguper6912]

KD is my favorite player, but I gotta say Jordan.

[@Kdavlogss]

I agree. That’s my all time fave player

[@maryannguss9029]

W

[@jacobevans9827]

I've always thought that when it comes to scoring, KD is the greatest all-around scorer of all time. This dude is a 6'11 guard. When it comes to PURE scoring, he has 0 weaknesses. He can catch and shoot threes, pull-up threes, pull-up 2, post-up fade going either way, excellent FT shooter. Can finish with the left and right, and back in his OKC days was postering the other teams centres on a nightly basis. Jordan may have scored more, but he also took way more shots per game. Just to put into perspective, KD averaged 28.1ppg in 2012. He was 2nd in ppg that year, but #1 in total points scored. Funny thing is, he only took 17.7 shots per game, which wasn't even the most on his OWN TEAM (westbrick shooting 18.7 attempts per game). KD is so pure he can be the #2 option and still have the most points in the league.

[@TheUltimateRage]

Yeah but Jordan went 6-0 in the finals so........

[@okocha8113]

Kd great scorer, but never dropped 60 in a game.

[@cdgates1]

Durant led the league in scoring in 2012. U may be preferring to 2013. Melo led the league that year

[@youngant411]

@@TheUltimateRage has nothing to do with scoring

[@Mrwonderful0212]

@@TheUltimateRage mj’s scoring was prettier to watch, but KD could do everything and he’s a better jump shooter. And he’s efficient on all three levels

[@clintonwashington3246]

KD has averaged 30 PPG or more, once or just two times in his career. Jordan did it 9 times, end of discussion! Stop with hypotheticals Kendrick Perkins, about if KD wanted to, he could've had 10 scoring titles. Fact is he doesn't!

[@dajuan835]

Yea Jordan shot like 10 times more a game too. You have to take that into consideration

[@retrosoul8770]

@@dajuan835 for their careers 4 more fg attempts a game on avg, not 10 lol. And for Mj to be that high of a volume scorer and still shot 50% is elite. The more shots you attempt the more likely you are to take poorer shots, the more offense you have to create on your own, and be less efficient overall, efficiency usually drops with volume but he still shot over 50% as a guard, which is mostly unheard of.

[@dajuan835]

@@retrosoul8770 life ain’t that serious dude. And 4 more attempts is at least 8 pts each game. Like I said if he shot as much as Jordan we wouldbt have this debate. Big difference in a extra 4 shots A GAME.

[@dajuan835]

@@retrosoul8770 and he shot over 50% because he only dunked and shot midrange. Players now shoot what more threes which would explain lower shot %. If Jordan shot more than 2 threes a game he would NOT be at 50% shooting, imagine if KD didn’t shoot many three either. Proven fact that anyone who shoots 3 a lot has a harder chance to have a higher shooting %. But I guess that false too. Jordan shot 28% from three. If he shot 5 a game he would not have been at 50% on the season for fg %. Common sense. But let y’all tell it Jordan would have shot 60% from behind the arc because he does EVERYthing better than any other player ever

[@dajuan835]

@@retrosoul8770 and for Jordan to shoot 4 more times a game than players in this day is crazier when it’s a fact that these games now have more points scored. KD still don’t shoot much as Jordan did 😂

[@kaekae1782]

KD is the closest thing to a “perfect scorer” because he can shoot at any level at a high level and he has the height so he can’t be contested really. MJ is the better scorer though because of his athletic ability and finishing. Also can get to almost any spot.

[@theboy7323]

No

[@kaekae1782]

@@theboy7323 Which part is wrong?

[@Wop06]

Kd can score at literally every point of the floor at an all time high efficient level. You mention mj m’a athleticism ability and finishing, but Kd can finish around the rim just as well. Jordan was a slightly below average 3 point shooter, Kd at a bare minimum, is elite at every part of the floor from a scoring standpoint

[@theboy7323]

Scoring is scoring... just because someone is more athletic doesn’t mean anything... KD can finish just as good and MJ, MJ got all the dunking and layups highlights but KD is a better scorer through and through

[@dennisthemenace855]

@@Wop06 did you just say Kd can finish just as good as Jordan ? Cmon man why you think Jordan get amp up so much ? I bet you can’t even breakdown why Jordan is so lethal

[@herbertnelsonjr.9899]

When JORDAN retired from the Bulls the 2nd time after 13 seasons, of which only 11 were full seasons, his shooting % was 51%!! It only went down to Almost 50% with the 2 seasons in Washington. He STILL leads the NBA career scoring per game for the season at 30.1pts, for the playoffs at 33pts, and for the finals at 41 pts. You can talk about ability and potential all you want, BUT until someone does that, beats that, plus TEN Scoring Titles, plus 3 steal titles, Plus DPOY, .............. JORDAN is #1. Talk amongst yourselves for the rest of the order, #2..............

[@jabba6736]

Very true, kd is too big of a “what if” player. Sure he could have had 10+ titles by now, just look at the guy…he’s u guardable, but he doesn’t want it like mj did. Mj’s mindset led him to where he was, that’s the only thing holding kd back from all the accomplishments.

[@benthegreat2801]

Only a jordansexual would bring in defense awards in a scoring debate lmfaoo

[@aaaA-wc3lc]

mj was statpader lol

[@williamjohnson8873]

Michael averaged 41 ppg in 6 games against the Sun's in 1993. I think you are referring to the 41 ppg which broke the previous mark of 40.8 ppg in the NBA Finals by Rick Barry.

[@awesom2bemelonestar10]

I couldn't have said it better myself. 👏

[@saburvd7874]

Durant's biggest weakness is his durability. He could have been something even more special than what he is.

[@honorfirst7506]

He doesn’t have the Motor jordan has either. Jordan has 9 scoring titles that’s a record, but while all defensive 1st team, that’s also a record. Jordan has the only 30 points avg DPOY same season, and the only scoring champ, DPOY same season, and MJ avg 35 points on 53% FG, won mvp, steal title, and had 131 blocks that same season.

[@Sportsandblunts]

Facts

[@NwoFresh]

@@honorfirst7506 10 not 9

[@honorfirst7506]

@@NwoFresh 9 scoring titles while on the current all defensive 1st team. The 1st one, which makes 10 scoring titles, he was 1st ever nba player with 200 steals and 100 blocks in same season, also had 3041 points, but they left him off the all defensive 2nd team and 1st team. Next year he won DPOY.

[@justindaz5402]

if KD didnt get injured a lot of times, he would have 30k points now

[@sef7952]

KD has more ability but Jordan’s scoring was far more impressive considering he scored more ppg in a more defensive era shooting the 2 ball rather than the 3 ball. That’s what edges him out in comparison to Kd but KD can be held in that same conversation with the Goat so that’s equally as impressive

[@timhughes3684]

KD played with ball dominant guys his whole career though Jordan had the ball from day one.

[@jackjax7921]

Mugsy Bogues played in the 90s what defense?

[@sef7952]

@@jackjax7921 Pippen, Rodman, Dumars, Payton, Mutumbo etc. That’s like saying Rui Hachimura or Isiah Thomas played in 2020s lmao there’s no context behind anything you said. Also you forget that hand checking was allowed during the 80s/90s making shot creation much more difficult

[@sef7952]

@@timhughes3684 True considering his entire team was made up of scrubs. It’s not MJs fault he wasn’t drafted into a team of future hall of famers. The start to a nba career doesn’t mean anything when talking scoring here. You can even make the argument that kd has played in nearly as many seasons as MJ & has accomplished far less. MJ is best scorer of all time & actually played defense considering he won a DPOY, MVP & Scoring title all in the same year.

[@timhughes3684]

@@sef7952 Hey brother. I’m just saying KD stats would look a lot different if he didn’t play with Westbrook, Harden, Curry and Thompson.

[@MmaMadman85]

This is an interesting debate because naturally looking at the two, Kevin has the advantage with his skill set and size but MJ is still the more accomplished scorer. Although I do agree with Perk, if KD only cared about scoring titles he would have 12 by now. Kevin's mindset is the only thing that holds him back from being the overwhelming force that MJ was.

[@willliam1420]

Durant only adv is size. MJ is way ahead on skills.

[@bryang8967]

If he wanted 12 scoring titles, he'd have done it

[@brandonhairston1268]

@@willliam1420 not true. KD is a better shooter among other things.

[@deegosnippHD]

Advantage with skill set STOP IT

[@deegosnippHD]

@@brandonhairston1268 bro am am huge KD FAN BRO KD been my favorite player from is 4 season in the nba but come on now MJ is more skill am Not gonna say way ahead in skills but it’s a good distance

[@henryix9229]

I think Jordan is the more accomplished scorer but Durant definitely I think has more ability only thing you would give Jordan Over KD really is post game. But that’s only because the game is more face up now than when Jordan played.

[@ContexClues]

MJ is better at finishing

[@Nick-sr4fe]

Finishing post and arguably mid range

[@emiliotemoche8887]

Kd should be better because of his height and length, but looking at the numbers, regular season, playoffs or finals, jordan is the better scorer

[@Sicnesses23]

Makes sense that having a better post game when you're 6'6 instead of 7'0 is not a big deal

[@Rubrick23.]

Ability Haha.

[@allan7978]

KD is more gifted but MJ was averaging 30 to 35 pts in an era where teams couldn't score more than 100 pts a game. its MJ and it ain't a debate

[@Droselover-hu1gt]

Total lie. In the 80s, teams were averaging 110 ppg per game

[@newrecruit100]

You’re also forgetting the percentage of his team shots that MJ took.

[@TrenchBaby13]

I ain’t gone even lie to you .. KD a better scorer than Jordan I kno y’all don’t think Anybody is better than Y’all beloved MJ but this is another category where MJ comes up short to someone🤣

[@vc2349-0]

@@TrenchBaby13 KD doesnt score at Jordans volume consistently enough to be better. but you not providing reasons anyway

[@King77742]

This is literally a lie teams average over 109 points during the 80’s and over 100 during the 90’s

[@kardiokev]

MJ and KD are interchangeable as #1 and #2 greatest scorers ever. I won’t knock anyone that says they have KD #1. We’ve never seen anything like him, pick your poison. For me I got MJ #1, 10 scoring titles is undeniable

[@IcarusFallz]

Jordan hands down. He's the greatest to ever do it and there's no debate

[@benigogo]

Greatest scorer, sure. Greatest Basketball player? That title belongs to Lebron James.

[@dezz8598]

@Cedrick Carson he’s already out the seat.

[@taydibiase]

jordan scored at will

[@irgelreal]

@@benigogo go too sleep

[@bengrimm622]

Next week...The best big man ever...Shaq or Perk

[@titoyeshon]

I’m an MJ fan but I think scoring that takes into account all the ways to score, KD is no doubt the best all around scorer. MJ is more focused on the ‘score’ and what’s the most effective/efficient way for him to do it, hence the mid range and attacking the rim.

[@emrvld1420]

Yea but the question wasn’t who’s the best all around scorer of all time. It’s who’s the greatest scorer of all time. So just focusing on all the scoring titles and ppg. Mj def takes the cake. But yes I agree that KD is the best all around scorer of all time. Kobe is also top 5.

[@5babyyyy]

You answered your own question lol. Best = most effective. KD is more versatile because of the 3 but the best. I think it would be Jordan

[@emrvld1420]

@@5babyyyy I never asked a question.. did u see question marks? I was correcting what u wrote at first

[@5babyyyy]

@@emrvld1420 I responded to the original comment bro

[@emrvld1420]

@@5babyyyy LOL im trippin my bad :') I be getting notified off anything

[@vashoncarridice]

The answer is Kobe Bryant. I understand that he shot 45% for his career, but the dude averaged 35 a game in the slowest paced era from the past 25 years. On top of, Kobe didn’t have the super athleticism of LeBron or Jordan, didn’t have the wingspan and length like KD does, all of Kobe’s scoring was resilience and will. Variety of moves on top of countermoves, counter-countermoves, his ability to even score with his left hand, the footwork, etc. Kobe Bryant was the most skilled and greatest scorer the league has ever seen.

[@ooh4751]

Mj averaged 37 in a season on better efficiency

[@emmanuelo9743]

He need to take 28+ shots a game for him to average 30,KD on the other hand can average at least between 40-45 points per game if you give him that many shot attempts,and he would do it on better efficiency

[@Ariel-2255]

Kobe is the correct answer!

[@woo_shynen8805]

Kobe needed to take 20-25 shots just to get his 30 which is far from being a great scorer. He would force his shots when they didnt need to be forced. Kd and jordan score at a much better level. Jordan in his later 3-peat years when he was around 35 had all the footwork and midrange game and still averaged close to 30ppg while shooting much better than kobe. Kobe is a good scorer and has beautiful footwork no doubt but he only averaged over 30ppg for 2-3 years while dudes like lebron who averaged 30 in year 19. The most skilled has to be jordan or kd. Jordan had all kobe had and more with his athleticism and speed.

[@Ariel-2255]

@@woo_shynen8805 I can’t believe you just said KD is more skilled than Kobe….you have to be an offspring of Ray Charles…..Kobe is like an IPhone 12 and Jordan is like an original IPhone, it's classic, it has nostalgia, originality, more popular and maybe even sold more, but I'm sorry the IPhone 12 is better than the original IPhone....there's too many new features and upgrades.....in other words, Kobe took Mike's game and enhanced it and upgraded it in many ways and this was very clear to see when you watch them play so it's Kobe > Jordan for me.

[@iTuber012]

If you take away retirement, it's clearly Jordan. The numbers are amazing as is with just 13 seasons Keep in mind that his Wizard years actually hurt all his per game stats(fg percentage and ppg) and he still is #1 lol

[@ryedye335]

If arguments aren’t valid

[@iTuber012]

@@ryedye335 that's the point.... Even if you don't he still wins... Even including Wizard years

[@Udon_Noodle]

And why should we disregard his wizard seasons? It’s part of his career; you don’t just discount years a player doesn’t play well and while he does lead in ppg and FG% it’s far more impressive for a forward to do similar and the fact he does it on less shot attempts whereas Jordan shot 23 a game. Honestly Kobe belongs in this conversation to; when he got hot he was more dominant than both imo.

[@iTuber012]

@@Udon_Noodle it doesn't matter though... That's the point. Include it or not and He's still better

[@Udon_Noodle]

@@iTuber012 how is he better for taking more shots? That’s a ridiculous argument

[@tubiviral9093]

If we're talking efficiency? MJ is literally, and by that I mean statistically, the most efficient player. He is no. 1 on the list.

[@kiwavy]

Wrong. Type in "Kevin Durant Vs Micheal Jordan Efficiency" and come back

[@tubiviral9093]

@@kiwavy No. You might want to check bbrefernce. Jordan is statistically the most efficient player of all time, with a PER of 27.91, compared to KD who is ninth with a PER of 25.27. For those like this kid - too young to have watched Jordan play - to get a sense of how efficient he was (offensively), should read the ESPN Kirk Goldsberry article titled "Why Michael Jordan's scoring prowess still can't be touched".

[@kiwavy]

@@tubiviral9093 I thought you was talking about the scoring side. PER and EFG% is different, as PER talk about their whole game not just scoring. In terms of scoring (which this conversation is mainly about) Kevin Durant has a EFG% of 546. Whereas Micheal Jordan had a EFG% of 509.

[@kiwavy]

@@tubiviral9093 btw I have watched Jordan play, and I've seen all his highlights. In my opinion he's the GOAT, but this conversation is not about that it's about KD and MJ scoring the ball

[@killacam9370]

PER has nothing to do with scoring effenciency. Stats show KD is more effecient

[@youtubeuser5070]

it's clearly Jordan but leaving Kobe out of this conversation is so disrespectful.

[@kiwavy]

Why

[@jaylenflanagan1295]

Kobe shouldn’t be in this conversation at all

[@ayooot5850]

I look at kobe & my as the same player same game doesn't matter

[@jabba6736]

Nah it ain’t

[@kiwavy]

@@ayooot5850 but micheal has way better stats

[@thebadgamermontana563]

I want this debate now again

[@timmaz24s]

Oh Perk I came back here just so you can see the greatest scorer got sweep in the first round. Perk you should fire your self for b.s you make. Don’t ever disrespect MJ again.

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

These debates are tiresome... Quit comparing people to MJ... its all nonsense... Put MJ in todays NBA and its a 40 piece every night or better... you casuals just dont get it.

[@destroyinghaters]

Jorbum would sit on the G league bench in this era.

[@jasonau427]

Jordan is my favorite player and 40 a night is nonsense. He would still be great but we have to take into consideration Jordan’s era didn’t have the athleticism this era does. Jordan was one of maybe 3 or 4 freak athletes. Nowadays almost every team has a freak athlete on their roster. The level of athleticism is off the charts today.

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

@@jasonau427 This is a falsehood. This isnt the 60's He had a 48 inch vert, and ran a sub 4.3 40. There are like 2 or 3 of those guys in the NBA. There were like 2 or 3 of those guys in the NBA then... This isnt the NFL where there are huge HGH freaks running faster, its basketball, not alot has changed.

[@jasonau427]

@@Hooch_is_crzy Dominiqe, Clyde, Shawn Kemp, Grant Hill, and Jordan were the freak athletes in Jordan’s era. How is that false? They were ALL freak athletes.

[@jasonau427]

@@Hooch_is_crzy Having that vert and that 40 time isn’t the only thing that makes you a freak athlete. A 47 inch vert with 4.4 speed is STILL a freak athlete.

[@2xkonan]

Take away injuries as well, kd has been hurt 2 or 3 seasons in his career, my point is he would probably have more scoring titles and titles in general

[@tadeokrzos2550]

KD is arguably if not the most efficient scorer in history. just the way he makes it look, so effortless...

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

He’s not

[@bismarkyeboah70]

Just a note. KD won’t be the all time top scorer in nba history as SAS noted he could. He won’t play more games than Bron and he’s not averaging more than Lebron for their career.

[@WorldWideWeasel]

Averaging a lot of points doesn’t mean he can’t be a top scorer. Kyrie don’t average more then Bron but he’s a way better scorer. It’s all about efficiency, scoring on multiple levels of the floor in variety of ways and basically being unguardable

[@luminousrxk7288]

@@WorldWideWeasel kyrie is a more skilled scorer than lebron but he doesnt score as much

[@DetroitTyler]

When it's all said and done, KD doesn't score around the rim at an elite level and never has. He is a more of a 2 level scorer mid range and 3 pointer. Not saying he's bad around the rim he's just not elite, therefore i'd take Jordan he is more versatile.

[@WorldWideWeasel]

@@luminousrxk7288 I agree but that’s mostly due to Kyrie failure to keep his health up imo. He only played 160ish games in 4 season. He’s talented enough for sure he just need to stay healthy and stay on the court.

[@Marlowe10100]

@@DetroitTyler Plus Jordan scored 30 in an era were teams scored like 90 overall. The % in relation to the team is above anyone of today's league.

[@ModernFiction]

Kobe Bean Bryant 💯 had the handle & 3 MJ didn’t had the scoring volume that KD doesn’t

[@Mr3824KB]

Kobe all the way.. MJ, KD, Wilt...

[@AmIBeef]

@@Mr3824KB Kobe wasn't as efficient in the playoffs.

[@westside8514]

@@AmIBeef He didn’t need to be, he focused on winning titles when it actually counted !!!

[@btowhidi_1713]

To suggest that some of the greatest NBA players ever don’t have the « I want it » mentality is completely ridiculous

[@dutchmastah07]

Perk sound like a car breakin down when he laugh

[@robrobinson9944]

Jordan force the game, take more shots, and has a more commanding presence. Durant has a more subtle approach. For years we’ve been wanting Durant to have a more demanding presence, but that’s not his style. Durant scores with more easy, as this is guilted with his height.

[@urezzz]

These old dudes want a guy to force every play and take a billion shots at the end of the game. They don't agree with smart play. KD is the best scorer period. This is coming from a guy that can't stand that cupcake

[@dennisthemenace855]

@@urezzz forced shots ? Jordan won 6 Rings and never lost in the finals and this is coming from somebody in they mid 20s not a old head .. cut it out

[@urezzz]

@@dennisthemenace855 if you're that young that means you maybe only watched a handful of games, his highlights and the documentary 😂 if you truly do your research, you'll see that he was insanely good but definitely not the God everyone says he is. Plus let's not act like winning a finals doesn't take luck/having the right team. Listen Jordan is still #1 in the GOAt but kd is just miles ahead in pure scoring.

[@urezzz]

@VibesStar007 Durant is not that far behind, he's at 47%. Plus Durant 3s are also better and he took more. His FT is also better. KD is also in the 50/40/90 club...so yes I do believe KD has more weapons offensively. Check durants numbers, hes better in ft 3s and same in fg in regular season. Now if you want to go for PER or whos better etc then yes mj is. But on the offensively end...KD wins

[@Jp2timezz]

@@urezzz facts

[@007IloveNY]

Why is this even a debate? KD plays in a league where you can barely touch players, and is injured every Monday and Thursday.

[@williemarsanchez4951]

it doesnt matter what league they played in because theyre talking about scoring titles and championchips, they played in two different eras.🎯

[@suntansuperman26]

Jordan legit destroyed teams with his scoring, then there’s the most scoring titles, highest scoring averages in the regular and post season

[@grinchoi1]

This didn't age well for the KD argument

[@johncurtis3382]

How Kobe isn't mentioned in the conversation is blasphemous

[@FahadDonRimz]

They look at Kobe as a budget MJ rather than having his own all time scoring skillset

[@jawick5150]

probably because he has the most missed shots in nba history , i think that’s why they’re trying to keep him out of it

[@Commentsofthemonth]

81 in todays era in a competitive game 17 point comeback 🛑

[@MikeJay-on5tt]

Obviously it's KD but Jordan 10 scoring titles speaks volumes like no if,and or buts about that.

[@russelturner5771]

Last ⏲ I checked MJ has the highest alltime scoring average with a high of 69 & a NBA playoff record high of 63.

[@xDream3773]

Now perk talk about KD zero flaws when tatum shut him down for 3 games.

[@makdeeeee]

for me, is Kobe Bryant! ❤

[@amrithbharadwaj4945]

KD could probably do what MJ did in terms of scoring, but he didn't

[@DT4LYFE]

Because he didn’t have to. Like Uncle Perk said, he sacrificed when he went to Golden State in order to win a couple chips.

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

@@DT4LYFE what about now, and with the thunder? what were his excuses then.

[@amrithbharadwaj4945]

@@DT4LYFE Be that as it may, I prefer not hanging my hats on maybes and what ifs

[@quayreid8823]

He’s still playing

[@Ewolzam]

@@Hooch_is_crzy career 28 ppg scorer

[@pauljoseph3081]

As a LeBron fan, I agree with Perk. When it comes to pure scoring, it should be KD.

[@berunjiphiri5325]

Most lebron fans are kids who explain your take.

[@pauljoseph3081]

@@berunjiphiri5325 Most haters thought LeBron fans are *KIDS* and mostly behave like you do

[@alearningmindset1043]

@@pauljoseph3081 bronsexual tend to hate on the goat so ofc you think it’s “KD”

[@PrettySeowoniii]

@@pauljoseph3081 Typical leflop fan 🤣🤣🤣 if lebum played in badboys jordan era he would've cried and quit midgame 🥴🥴🥴

[@Joker-bc9po]

You’re a lebron fan so obviously you won’t pick MJ here so there is bias lol

[@albertol9654]

10 scoring titles by MJ.... Perk is on ESPN to make silly arguments, so Stephen can look like a genius 🤣 😂

[@djaramillo09]

Jordan’s scoring in transition is overlooked sometimes. There’s only a handful of guys that could go coast to coast and finish so many different ways like Jordan did.

[@jjsyphor8288]

Michael Jordan: 1,072 Games Played, 32292 Points Scored, 15 Seasons Kevin Durant: 928 Games Played, 25176 Points Scored, 14 Seasons 144 Games left to get 7116 points just to tie Jordan. That's about 3 seasons since KD and most players today don't play a full season. KD is 33 now and turns 34 in September so he'll be around 36-37 in 3 years time and add possible injuries as well, it might take him 4 years? He hasn't scored over 2000 points a season since GSW and now with age and injuries often affecting him.... bruh. Oh right. Michael Jordan got 25,000 Pts in 782 games. Kevin Durant got it in his 922nd game, not long ago. KD is up there with the most efficient and elite but he ain't the greatest. MJ or Wilt would be the convo but Wilts a bit broken and it's hard to adjust to the era's so he's always conveniently left out lol

[@Udon_Noodle]

Yep; and the biggest context you conveniently left out is shot attempts. Jordan has 24k on 23 shots a game meanwhile KD has just over 17k on 19; not to mention Jordan has 1500 more FTs. So on less minutes, less shots, and less games played KD is closing in on Jordan in total points….if KD can get his points more efficiently and in practically anyway then he’s a better scorer. The volume of shots taken doesn’t mean you’re better.

[@m74d3]

@@Udon_Noodle less games played? That didn't make sense in the context of your comment. KD has a smaller scoring average, so it will take him many MORE games to reach MJ's point total... not less games.

[@Udon_Noodle]

@@m74d3 from your very own comment, KD is 7000 points less than Jordan on 7000 less attempts. When their attempts line up then KD will have far more points is the argument which is a better comparison than who scored what at what time of their career.

[@EC3]

I'll give the nod to MJ and Kobe they're better from low post, mid post, fadeaway, and above and below the rim. There are more facets to scoring than to how good you can shoot

[@laneyj]

Kobe's not in the convo here. His efficiency does not match up

[@Trvllumanati]

@@laneyj your smoking crack. Kobe’s offensive arsenal was absolutely impeccable. Footwork, difficult shot making, 81 point game, more 60+, 50+, 40+ games than a lot of these guys. Nope Is top two scorer all time. Argue with a wall

[@laneyj]

@@Trvllumanati I'm not saying Kobe isn't one of the best players of all time or that he isn't one of the most skilled players ever....but scoring wise, he's not as efficient as these guys.

[@dclaire29]

Jordan, hands down. No explanation needed.

[@dimitrimercier7871]

It’s either achievements or peak Jordan 10 scoring titles in a row ( only in 95 did he miss, And he didn’t play the whole year) Also His first title he averaged 37.1 ppg Yes Durrant has more versatility and skill but that’s just naturally going to improve with every generation

[@jamesevans6271]

Kendrick Perkins can be a villain with that crazy laugh

[@ajax7697]

thing is, KDs never been the dude to go at it like MJ, if they asked him to put in 25 for the night, hed go for 25, if you asked MJ the same thing, hed give you 50

[@da11king]

💯

[@curtiscj3087]

Because no one else can score lmao

[@luminousrxk7288]

@@curtiscj3087 huh?

[@rickennmartinez8492]

Looking for Perkins after Round 1 Boston vs Nets. You are comedian Uncle Perks.

[@WoWMaster375]

the way i see it KD has more tools and qualities in offense then MJ, he's taller, wingspan, 3pt, but MJ still hold the greatest ppg in history both regular season and playoffs, plus 10 scoring champ, so it just shows you even with less natural gifts and scoring capacity, he still did it better

[@Riri-oj1zs]

More tools does not mean better. You watching KD vs BOS?

[@PlanetBu]

Top 5 scorers i ever seen in no order: Kobe MJ KD Tmac Iverson

[@Meshaq82]

Lol perk said that's your problem 🤣

[@kyrianb]

He hit him with that real smooth like

[@k17nopasi]

Completely agree when Stephen A said Perkins was talking about KD’s ability. Yea KD is the most versatile scorer, but to be the greatest? You gotta prove that every year. He has 4 scoring titles. AI got 4 and George Gervin got 4. Wilt has 7 and MJ has 10. The dude led the league in scoring more than Wilt Chamberlain.

[@stevenjames9255]

How is Kobe overlooked in this conversation. The world forgot? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@starwarz8479]

Kobe said KD is the only player he hasn't figured out yet.

[@Lexgluger01]

I think the term ‘greatest’ & ‘best’ needs some more clarification. Kobe (imo) edges Jordan out as the greatest scorer b/c his offensive skillset was more complete and the most complete the game has ever seen. MJ (especially when he was Air) was and the most electrifying scorer to ever lace a pair. But KD is the best scorer due to the combination of his offensive skillset and athletic ability. You can’t teach what KD is naturally was born with. Special shoutouts to Bird, Melo, Harden, Wilt, Cap, West, Gervin, Pistol & Bron ya heard.

[@cyber6sapien]

How can Kobe be the greatest scorer when he is beneath Jordan in literally every metric when it comes to scoring (regular and postseason)? Jordan's massive hands alone which allowed him to do things with the ball that neither KD or Kobe could dream of doing, is part of what seperates him from everybody else! Then you add to that his speed, strength and leaping ability and it's a wrap!

[@Lexgluger01]

@@cyber6sapien Kobe literally used almost every move in his bag to score when he played while MJ (especially on the 2nd 3 peat) used more predictable yet still highly effective means to score. Kobe has a wider array of moves but MJ, by far was the more effective scorer. When I say Kobe’s the greatest scorer-I’m referring to his offensive skillset. Mr. Mamba scored 81pts in the current era. Had MJ developed a more consistent 3 point shot and worked on his ball handling skills then perhaps he’d be the greatest scorer. As it is MJ is the GOAT player so u gotta give Kobe something bruv.

[@rodionromanovichraskolniko5390]

@@Lexgluger01 Is Kyrie Irving is greater scorer than Durant?

[@Lexgluger01]

@@rodionromanovichraskolniko5390 He’s more offensively skilled than KD. The other important metric to factor here is being the primary option and how far can your scoring talents carry a team-to answer your question directly no, he’s not b/c Kyrie has’t consistently shown he can be the #1 scoring option on a championship caliber team. Still, the dude is one of the most complete offensively skilled players ever and that’s a very exclusive club to be in for scorers and to a greater extent for a point guard.

[@rodionromanovichraskolniko5390]

@@Lexgluger01 So basically being a more offensively skilled scorer doesn't mean greater scorer, right? Good, that's my take on this subject. However, even these two new factors you just added seem hard to measure and, I'd say, don't help Kobe in the Jordan comparison. The thing is how do you measure "primary option"? Like, how do you determine that Durant was GSW's and OKC's #1 scoring option ahead of Curry and Westbrook? Or during the 2001 and 2002 seasons, who of Kobe and Shaq was the #1 scoring option? We all know MJ was the primary option during his entire Bulls career, but was it the case for Kobe? And as far carrying a team thanks to scoring talents MJ clearly surpasses him in that regard.

[@Terror832]

Wilt Chamberlain needs more love - career 30.1 PPG scorer -averaged 39.6 PPG his first 7 seasons. Only averaged less than 20 PPG his last 7 for selfless reasons - Most 40, 50, 60 point games by a MILE - most points in a single game - 7 scoring titles

[@AM_yadu108]

He was the tallest in his era...these times are different bro. Common u know better

[@capcap6987]

He also played in an era where teams averaged 120ppg.

[@lookfeelbehealthy6320]

Exactly. And don't forget the year he averaged 50 and had a 100 point game. How did they not mention him?

[@dobz746]

He played 48 minutes per game bruh. And teams in the 60s, players shoot a lot of shots and a lot of bricks it's why the rebounding was so inflated. The top 25 rebounders of all time played in the 60s. They were averaging 100-110 shots per game then. And look at how players shoot in the 60s... they have no shooting mechanics. You know it's a brick when they shoot it in the perimeter smh.

[@brendanbloom3366]

@@AM_yadu108 he wasn't the tallest. He was one of the tallest and he would be one of the tallest in any era. If height was all that mattered than tacko fall would be dominating. Also you don't penalize players for their height.

[@---wc2zp]

And they say Kevin Durant is the most Unstoppable and Greatest Scorer ever over Michael Jordan....lol Scoring Titles MJ: 10x (7 Consecutive) KD: 4x (3 Consecutive Career Regular Season PPG MJ: 30.12 PPG KD: 27.2 PPG (Not to mention MJ's 63pts Playoff record has never been broken since 1986) Career Playoffs PPG MJ: 33.45 PPG KD: 29.5 PPG Career Finals PPG MJ: 33.6 PPG (35 Games) KD: 35.2 PPG (15 Games)

[@Riri-oj1zs]

KD's Finals PPG is 30.3 only.

[@clemsonfan9166]

KD is the greatest scorer of all time. He does everything that Jordan can and he’s elite 3 points scorer

[@monroe122377]

I’m so over ESPN asking these types of questions just to create content and also create discord amongst basketball enthusiasts. They truly have an impact on how this game is covered and don’t seem to care about the game itself but rather pitting great players against one another for the fans to argue about.

[@blackurustrikes2328]

Are we talking about the most talented scorer or the *GREATEST* scorer? Those are NOT the same thing.

[@xIpyschoIx]

Right lebron is the most talented player but forever Jordan will be the greatest

[@michelangelooliver2590]

Exactly

[@remnant8898]

@@xIpyschoIx Bron isn't the most talented player ever. That would be Wilt.

[@DanteGoldz]

@@xIpyschoIx Allen Iverson and Kyrie more talented and Wilt too

[@adammcg7115]

@@DanteGoldz Allen Iverson was a bigger brick than Westbrook😂

[@Elias-m9n]

Perk's laughter should be in the goat conversation

[@rodneylovings6785]

The greatest scorer, scored 81 points in a game Kobe Bryant!

[@dajuan835]

Yea if KD shot 50 times he would scored 81 too

[@willjohnwick6911]

@@dajuan835 durbum has yet to score 60 in a game he’s not the greatest scorer

[@dajuan835]

@@willjohnwick6911 yea and he doesn’t shoot that much to. Proving my point more. Kevin doesn’t just got out hoisting up as many shots as possible. BUT if he shot seventy times I guarantee he would hit more shots than Kobe

[@dajuan835]

@@willjohnwick6911 Kobe led the league in shot attempts 6 straight years 😂. If Kevin shot as much as him he would be even better with his ppg 😂

[@willjohnwick6911]

@@dajuan835 Durant is a better scorer than Kobe but not better than Jordan. Durant career high fga is 37 on 53 points Jordan scored his career high 69 points on 37 fga

[@PoliticusRex632]

You see kids, there was this guy named Wilt...

[@krishjotsarai425]

Thank you

[@isojoe125]

@@krishjotsarai425 you kid still argue jordan was as good a scorer for a longer period of time

[@krishjotsarai425]

@@isojoe125Wilt stopped scoring in 1966 because he wanted to change the way he played the game so he can start winning. That year he led the league and assists as a center and also won the championship. So basically he got bored of scoring. I don’t think if anyone can top Wilt Chamberlain’s 1962 season of averaging 50.4 points a game. And if Chamberlain did not stop scoring and he would’ve had the record.

[@isojoe125]

@@krishjotsarai425 yes, but jordan was a better scorer when it mattered most. He was better in the big moments

[@krishjotsarai425]

@@isojoe125 you’re right on that he averaged more points during the playoffs than Wilt and that he was clutch during the big moments

[@conardelvy6960]

Never see a scorer like kd best of all time.

[@willjohnwick6911]

The same kd who got swept by Boston in playoffs and shoot 39% from field 👉🤡

[@akshayvora9920]

KD sacrificed a lot to play with the warriors? Really? You mean the reigning 2 time mvp that decided to tack the back seat and play as the number 2 wasn't the one sacrificing it was the guy that got two free rings and then bounced?

[@anthonys9892]

The player that didn't join a 73-9 team and won 6 championships

[@Gd-jq6mz]

The player who got 2 first round sweeps yeah that guy

[@maryannguss9029]

@@Gd-jq6mz lol with what help when he got swept. Zero context

[@Joker-bc9po]

How many hall of famers were on those Celtics teams? Lol cmon man

[@marcusstephens5447]

When Perk said Lary Bird did it ,SAS felt so stupid.

[@RandomCitizen014]

KD has zero chance of becoming the all time leading scorer, stop it. This man can’t stay healthy & he’s 33. He has other worldly skills, but MJ was averaging 30 year after year after year. With 10 scoring titles, this ain’t even a debate, come on now.

[@TayvoMusic]

Are you on drugs goofy he’s already almost top 3 stop hating on greatness I take KD over Bron, An maybe over Kobe but he’s equal to MJ stop hating luh bruh

[@RandomCitizen014]

@@TayvoMusic KD is the 27th all time leading scorer, he has approximately 25K, the record is 38K. Stay off the weed my man.

[@juliopoueriet2031]

@@TayvoMusic No he aint and KD is great how is he better when MJ averages more 30.1 to KD’s 27 on the same FG% 49. Did you forget MJ is the all time leader in PPG for the regular season and playoffs lol. MJ is at 33.1 ppg in the playoffs KD is at 29. MJ is the only guy that has ever avegare 41 PPG in a finals series. Last but not least the 10 scoring tittles. You may like KD ‘s style better but he aint the better scorer

[@TayvoMusic]

@@RandomCitizen014 KD will pass that before he retires don’t worry goofy like i said He’s top 3 of all time greatness wise an I’ll take him over bron an maybe Kobe he’s on the same level as mj they have different playing styles but they are equal

[@RandomCitizen014]

@@TayvoMusic lol okay 👌🏻

[@lucasamoriim5126]

Michael Jordan IS the greatest scorer ever. 10 SCORING TITLES. 30.1 ppg in a far more physical era. 50% from the field. If you want to talk who's better, or who you got to give you 30 on any given night, that's another story, but career-wise, no one tops Jordan

[@kevinmiller2210]

When the game is on the line ill take Kobe over anyone.

[@I.M.Him22]

Preach

[@agnesmuani]

Keep talking 😤😤

[@Balmighty7]

How they forget the most difficult shot maker ever Kobe would shoot over 3 dudes because he felt he could make it and more times than not he did

[@jaylenflanagan1295]

@@Balmighty7 He missed more times his clutch Fg percentage is only 25 percent🤡

[@Joker-bc9po]

Over MJ? Yeah you didn’t watch Jordan play

[@Ethan-rm2ts]

Pete maravich is the best in scoring just crazy amount of talent

[@michaelcruz5896]

I cant take Perk seriously. KD is in the top but MJ is clearly the greatest scorer.

[@BirdLives7]

Who's here after the 2021/22 Celtics played 90's defense in KD?

[@jalenalexanderr]

I’m tired of the disrespect to kobe🤨

[@solidsnake8331]

Kobe isnt on KD s level skill wise. Look back when they faced each other. Kd before he hit his prime, was going head to head with kobe. Prime kd, kobe ain't touching him. Stop that.

[@woo_shynen8805]

Kobe isnt on kd's or jordans level of scoring, he just chucked up alot of tough uneccesary shots in the clutch.

[@jalenalexanderr]

@@woo_shynen8805 I won’t even respond with what I wanna say tbh.

[@leonthomasfanstation]

@@jalenalexanderr it’s not disrespectful if he wasn’t efficient.

[@MastermindRell]

This was actually a good debate with good points for once.

[@nasteamsmacktv9527]

Kobe literally had no flaws

[@BigBen1994]

Doesn't matter they're both unstoppable and you just pray they miss 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Kdavlogss]

Literally they gotta stop all the debate

[@BigBen1994]

@@Kdavlogss What if scenarios are never gonna work because they'll never play each other and MJ and KD were in 2 totally eras of basketball.

[@Kdavlogss]

@@BigBen1994 agree with that too. Frfr

[@toms5774]

I mean its obviously Durant, Jordan was the master of the midranges tho

[@russelturner5771]

Obviously not. MJ won 10 scoring titles & has the highest alltime NBA scoring average with a high of 69 & an NBA playoff record high of 63.

[@isojoe125]

@@russelturner5771 these kids dont get it jordan will always be the goat

[@ye87]

Perk must feel crazy after the celts made kd melt

[@emiliotemoche8887]

Way more scoring titles, more points per game (regular season, playoffs and finals) and 5 series with 40 ppg while kd has none. Kd should be better because of his height and length, but looking at the numbers, regular season, playoffs or finals, jordan is the better scorer.

[@abdulaliakbar1175]

I really don’t know why people love disrespecting Black Mamba. Kobe is one of the best scorers in NBA history…please don’t forget that! As a LeBron fan, I have to admit that

[@andrelesueur717]

Stephen smith and skip Bayless gonna ride Jordan till the end of time.

[@kd881]

Oh my god i cant handle the excitement of this debate

[@brandonthomas4718]

Jordan hands down when it comes to anybody...case closed.. PERIOD

[@jonbrown853]

Wilt Chamberlain needs to be in that conversation.

[@marcobaiera5078]

Seriously, the man owns dozens of scoring records, but they don't show him any love.

[@JSUTrumpet]

Jordan is #1 in scoring per game…. People are dumb….

[@alexescutia4805]

Also number two in shot attempts per game… give kd 23 shots a game through his career

[@JSUTrumpet]

@@alexescutia4805 it’s almost like the vast majority of his shots weren’t 2 pointers….

[@damonalston2317]

I watched Jordan highlights for a whole day one time & i was just amazed Jordan literally got a bucket anytime he wanted to Even when he was on the wizards like, now i feel like Bron could do the same if he had that jordan killer mentality

[@johnnybarrett9017]

Kendrick is absolutely tripping. Just like this Jordan/LeBron debate that keeps going on, it's just not close enough 🤷🏿‍♂️.

[@nbafan8794]

It’s hard to compare the two because they played in different era’s. The rules in todays game benefit offensive players and the luxury of easily being able to draw fouls not to mention the spacing in todays game would give jordan more room to operate and he would probably work on shooting more 3s every game.

[@actormertsirin]

It's obviously, obviously MJ.

[@jimjohnson5752]

Did anyone forget than Jordan once AVERAGED 37 PPG in a full season? Stop it Perk.

[@raypurchase155]

Michael Jordan, the guy with the highest average and most scoring titles

[@AM_yadu108]

He takes way more shots.

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

@@AM_yadu108 better PER... sooo, its adds up.

[@Droselover-hu1gt]

PER is an incredibly flawed statistic

[@adammcg7115]

@@Hooch_is_crzy So according to you Jokic is the best player ever this season... MJ launched up more shots on worse efficiency.

[@tainanking]

@@adammcg7115 He won more. The game was different back then. You could handcheck and everything. If MJ played now, he'd get to the freethrow line more than harden and embiid and get more open shots and shoot the 3 better.

[@staticshocc310]

Perk: what’s your problem 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@starshipcaptain4753]

MJ, MJ, MJ and Durant will admit it so will LeBron. My top 5 of all-time also the best starting 5 of all time: Point: Magic 2-Guard: MJ Small F: Kobe Power F: Durant Center: Embiid

[@JP-jd8wr]

🤣

[@rcash001]

That’s an L starting 5

[@IXCANADATV]

Replace Shaq Over Embid

[@Joker-bc9po]

Which one averaged over 30 a game for his entire career? Oh okay conversation over

[@truth.74]

Everyone knows Kareem is the all-time scoring leader and has been for 38 years but seldom mentioned is he's the all-time leader in field goals made. He has literally put the ball through the hoop more times than anyone in history of the NBA.

[@alfarouqaminufor3892]

*13 seasons as a Chicago bull, 31.5 PPG on 50.5% shooting. *10 scoring titles * 33.4 career playoffs PPG *33.6 career finals PPG All records.

[@honestogoodnessbebong]

KD really can score at will but i guess it will always comes down to what kind of defense they do to opponents, i mean if KD got banged up like MJ did he would have retired early..

[@jgoudeau199615]

Lmao perk said what’s yo problem 😂😂😂😂😂