Michael Vick - Polarizing REACTION!! | OFFICE BLOKES REACT!!

[@lukeut8680]

My dad took me to see him play when he was in college at VA Tech. He was a step faster than everyone, the quickest Ive seen.

[@jadenking4268]

Is he the first super star athlete who fell solely because of hes background and his friends from childhood, bc if you remove all the leeches and bad influence i dont think Mike Vick goes to jail and goes down in history as the geatest running QB of all timw

[@blackgerman9735]

@@jadenking4268 💀he is known as the greatest running quarterback only person rn taking his spot potentially is lamar jackson

[@cjames4478]

Until Lamar I agree. I used to be able to see into the stadium from my apt and he was definitely faster than everyone us.

[@riquetc0060]

And he's quarterback. Crazy.

[@lukeut8680]

@@cjames4478 I still haven't seen Lamar play. I go to all the Tampa Bucs home games, i hope Baltimore comes into town soon!

[@757optim]

Despite Stephen A's pronunciation, there is no "s" in Leavenworth. Vick was sentenced to 23 months. Released early.

[@joshwasserman3783]

Every Joseph Vincent sports documentary is worth watching

[@PapaGG360]

Truth 💯

[@msdarby515]

A good "documentary" would show the whole truth, including his personal involvement with killing the dogs.

[@reecewood155]

You guys need to react to more Joseph Vincent. He makes the best "montage/documentaries" about different athletes.

[@davikaestavillo4433]

Liked your comment purely cause I live in Eugene and live and breathe Ducks!

[@reecewood155]

@@davikaestavillo4433 My man!!! Win the day!

[@davikaestavillo4433]

@@reecewood155 oh Heck yea!!!

[@TheIcemanthomas]

I like his style but nah. He doesn’t really showcase the true skill of the players.

[@dallasoliver1933]

@@TheIcemanthomas I have a few vids I have made, most popular one has 240k views. Much obliged if you'd check some of them out. Brady 2020 season, Mike Evans, Aaron Rodgers etc

[@drewgamezzz8482]

@0:40 even though he was known as a running QB, don’t get it twisted, he had one of the most impressive arms as well. He could absolutely sling the ball as well and also had a beautiful spiral most of the time as well!

[@SPFW21]

Used to be one of my favorite players and he served his time.... but he didn't just "fight dogs", he brutally tortured and murdered them for enjoyment. Hung them by their neck from trees, put them in water and electrocuted them, had several other dogs rip a losing dog to pieces.... he's sick in the head. He's sorry he got caught, not sorry for what he did. Also, anything by Joseph Vincent is gold

[@meiguoren66]

Yeah it's embarrassing that these guys put that up there without doing their research.

[@mattias3312]

@@meiguoren66 bro it’s a reaction. Are they supposed to do research before every video they watch? Come on

[@meiguoren66]

@@mattias3312 erm. They knew he was a controversial figure for a reason

[@mattias3312]

@@meiguoren66 okay and?

[@meiguoren66]

@@mattias3312 I don't know Google him

[@MRLMF5]

14:30 When I was a kid in a Filipino dominate neighborhood we had chicken fights. My cousins had their own roosters. My uncle had his own sharpening wheel. It was considered normal. Vick grew up in a dog fighting environment. Not an excuse just a fact. Nobody was telling him no. All that happened was he got more money so his hell hole was just that much bigger.

[@333Jar]

When Dave was comparing Vick and rap/hip-hop culture. You have to understand the NFL takes their imagine seriously especially when it comes to sponsors

[@alwayzchillin0714]

I’m from VA near Vick, he was one of my favorite players. He had so much wasted potential, luckily he got a second chance with my favorite team and actually made the most of it. Gotta respect it!

[@dorian822]

Sadly, the other life didn't.

[@theoriginalbreadcrumb]

Doesn't matter if he served his time or not, he doesn't deserve his place on earth, he is taking up space for someone nice.

[@dard4642]

Beating, drowning, shooting, and hanging dogs isn't "making a dumb mistake." When a dog would lose a fight, they would torture it until it died. Not to mention all of the defenseless bait dogs that suffered horrible fates.

[@traewilliams1747]

Get over it man

[@garyevans3421]

Not to “dogpile” Vic, but the most personally sickening thing to come out about that was some of his crew were grabbing small strays, some of were probably someone’s pets and duct taping their mouths shut so they couldn’t fight back and throwing them in with their pit bulls for “training”. 😢

[@WhoCaresSTRIKKE]

This a lie yo

[@acevedoa89]

@@WhoCaresSTRIKKE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Newz_Kennels_dog_fighting_investigation the individual allegations are cited. That is if you even care.

[@57kwest]

@@acevedoa89 nope. Don't care

[@bigbake132]

It wasn't just the dog fighting but the treatment of the dogs when they weren't. They would be staved, electrocuted, tortured, many had to be euthanized because they were so far gone. It was terrible and he definitely deserved his prison sentence.

[@cleveland2164]

Exactly. Dog fighting is bad enough but the torture is a different level. They might have drowned them too if I’m not mistaken

[@dreeco1762]

His brother did that only reason Michael Vick went to jail cause the house was in his name so his brother destroyed his career

[@bigbake132]

@@dreeco1762 He knew what was going on.

[@traewilliams1747]

@@bigbake132 he knew what was going but he wasn’t actually doing

[@bigbake132]

@@traewilliams1747 You could say the same about Hitler.

[@serpentisma]

I like that Dave brought up that point of "paying his debt to society". I'm of the mindset, that if you did the crime, you do the time, but if you do the time, you've served your debt. Now, the opinion of you may not go as well in the court of public opinion, but with Vick I truly believed he had remorse for what he had done, he served his time, he surrendered a good portion of his earnings back to Atlanta, he donated a good deal of money to Peta and the ASPCA (not sure if that was court ordered it or not, but he did it nonetheless). And as far as I can recall he wasn't grumbling or bitching about it. He took his medicine and tried to move on. I love animals, and I hated him for doing what he did, but in my opinion, if you're too high and mighty and self-righteous to forgive, then you're no better than the person you despise.

[@michaelgonzalez7280]

Perfectly said bro 💯

[@theshadowfax239]

Do you really think that I'm just as bad as him, somebody who murdered and tortured dogs for fun, just because I think he's a human piece of garbage? You really need to grow up and stop your wishing people just because they can toss a ball around well.

[@SA-pj3fz]

You’re saying that normal people are on the same level of an animal killer and abuser? He’s only sorry because he got caught, no other reason.

[@jartstopsign]

Any away game he'd play, the ticket prices would skyrocket no matter where it was. I remember trying to get tickets to that Vikings game he won in overtime and I didn't go because it was 250 bucks just for an upper deck seat. He made the NFL a shitload of money

[@meiguoren66]

Yep and that's why he got away with it

[@etommy13]

@@meiguoren66 Except he didn't. Stay bitter!

[@dayra6425]

I'm a big time Vick fan.. this video doesn't exactly tell you what he did .. he didn't just own the dog fighting .. he was personally drowning dog and electricity them, having them hang and tortured

[@WhoCaresSTRIKKE]

Show me where you got dat info fr

[@acevedoa89]

@@WhoCaresSTRIKKE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Newz_Kennels_dog_fighting_investigation the individual allegations are cited. That is if you even care.

[@dayra6425]

i don’t even really hold it against vick .. i don’t know what he saw growing up .. i grew up in new mexico .. we fought roosters .. to the death .. they only made it illegal in NM 10 years ago.. and even then people still do it .. if i was a millionaire at 21, i can’t say i wouldn’t of got into it.. i saw it all the time as a kid .. so it was never wrong to me..

[@konartist206]

@@dayra6425 that back peddle to defend says more than I could. But gg, u do ur mental gymnastics team stuff I'm out. I'm a mexi from la frontera too chuco town

[@dayra6425]

@@konartist206 ha .. i haven’t heard chuco in a long time .. you’re a G if you call it chuco

[@MoonLightWright]

That video did him no justice. They should've watched his HIGHLIGHTS video, unbelievable QB and player!

[@amberhines3979]

I'm not a football fan, and I remember when Michael Vick went to prison. I'm an animal lover, but I feel like he's more than paid his debt. He has tried to redeem himself and has tried to help educate young men in the same situation he grew up in. The people who won't give him a chance are probably fans of the teams he beat the shit out of

[@deniseschlaeger624]

He grew up with his dad and grandfather raising him in the dog fighting world, whole families would raise pitbulls just for fighting. It was something he was raised to do, he never knew it wasn't proper to fight dogs.

[@dorian822]

WOW

[@bensum9111]

Yeah, they don't talk about what he did to those dogs. He drowned, beat, and electrocuted animals. He wasn't just fighting them.

[@aerofred2002]

FYI, a lot of that happens to animals in industrial farming.

[@aerofred2002]

@derp derpin what are you talking about? How's electrocuting animals for example, not relevant to both? And if it bothers them when Vick does it, it should also put them off when industrial farmers do it. Face your cognitive dissonance instead of ridiculously trying to discredit my point.

[@faithnfire4769]

@@aerofred2002 Because when farmers do it the animal dies instantly. That's normally the point and its for the production of food. Not casual entertainment or to encourage animals to fight. (I don't now squat about the guy, just sticking my two cents in for farmers in general)

[@aerofred2002]

@@faithnfire4769 What's your thoughts on the rodeo, military dogs equipped with titanium fangs, guinea pigs, etc..?

[@faithnfire4769]

@@aerofred2002 Rodeos cooler than bull fightin' nicer retirement package as well, never heard of the second, and I suppose guinea pigs taste alright but there's not too much of em. Deep frying them is still a bit strange though, guinea pig bacon is the right move.

[@bl18ce99]

You have to know. These dogfights were to the death.

[@myreviews8099]

@DKhisa l'm not getting over anything, agreed he doesn't owe society anything. Society doesn't owe him love and respect because he served his sentence. He didn't grow morals in prison though

[@montbrink4700]

@@myreviews8099 do you know the origins of dog fighting in America where it begin and why is so entrenched in the black community do a little research you might be surprised ...

[@myreviews8099]

@@montbrink4700 surprised maybe Satisfied or forgiving no

[@montbrink4700]

@@myreviews8099 just do the research

[@myreviews8099]

@@montbrink4700 don't need to. Regardless of history or culture he had today's society and education to learn from. It's akin to justifying domestic violence because that's what the culture used to encourage

[@juicyfruit4494]

I find it beautiful that are too peoples can still come together and appreciate each other even on this holiday of independence from the old empire

[@ihateintroductions5808]

Two

[@57kwest]

@@ihateintroductions5808 is that your introduction cuz I hate it two 😒

[@dorian822]

What are you talking about?

[@juanchohitdalotto]

“Is that true Mike”😂😂

[@melissa2688]

I feel I can speak on this subject since I'm a Philadelphia Eagles fan & as of a person who had many family members away at 'college' as a kid in Philly (anytime my uncles went to jail when I was a kid, I was told he was in college lol). What Vick did was horrible; let's not sugarcoat the seriousness of what he was accused of. But the man did his time!!! He did time in prison and lost all he worked for. He came out of prison a different man. He did everything he was supposed to do & more. For that, to me, he deserves to have another chance. I was proud of my football team, owner & coach for giving him the chance. Sorry if you don't agree but that's how I feel. GO BIRDS 💚🦅🏈

[@satsunada]

He actually was at risk for far more than 18 months. The state prosecutors in Georgia wanted 12 months and the prosecutors in Virginia wanted like 6 months. Vick was fighting all that. Then, a federal prosecutor interjected into the discussion and said, "We are investigating his interstate dealings of animals for combat". This escalated things drastically and pressure was immediately put on Vick by his lawyers to back down and take 12 months, but he still fought.. until the federal prosecutor pulled out a trump card: RICO. For non US people, RICO is a style of investigation in the US where a prosecutor, usually federal, examines an entire organization and those in leadership of that organisation, as well as the finances of that organization, can be deemed as part of the crime or co-conspirators even if they didn't do the crime themselves. This toppled gangs and corrupt companies throughout the 80's and 90's, with gangs in particular watching their leaderships get hit with multiple murder charges that they ordered but didn't do themselves and their entire empire worth of money, holdings, and investments immediately became property of the state as evidence. There is one heavier penalty with RICO though. The automatic penalty for a RICO guilty verdict is a mandatory TEN YEAR sentence, added to your sentence, and no potential for parole. So Vick went from state court and maybe 8 months in a state prison and keeping all his stuff to instantly seeing his entire wealth stripped from him, all his friends and co conspirators getting 10-12 years, and he himself serving 12 years or more behind bars. He plead down to the 18 months to satisfy the state and federal prosecutors.

[@imMattoh]

Vick paved the way for Lamar Jackson. Highly recommend watching Lamar Jackson highlights. I'd say a better running quarterback than Vick

[@rdramos13]

And Randle Cunningham paved the way for Vick.

[@jeffburdick869]

Donovan McNabb paved the way for dog killer.

[@davidorioli3870]

Really appreciate your outside view of the Vick situation. Really makes me question my views on him as well

[@msdarby515]

Exactly where did they review his crime? Why would you change your opinion based on thoughts from some guys in England who don't know crap about what happened?

[@acevedoa89]

I don't really care how much he's apologized. The man beat, tortured, murdered dogs for fun because he was bored in his life as a star NFL athlete. He's a sick man.

[@dixonoliver2360]

I hope u don't eat meat then bc if u do then ur just as bad as him

[@SA-pj3fz]

@@dixonoliver2360 How does eating meat equate to electrocuting, drowning, hanging, and beating dogs?

[@dixonoliver2360]

@@SA-pj3fz 99% of slaughter is factory farmed… the animals u eat and pay for to be locked up there whole life separated front there families and killed in horrible conditions

[@SA-pj3fz]

@@dixonoliver2360 Those animals are killed in a very quick process. Separated from their families and killed in horrible conditions? If that was the case, those companies would have been shut down by the government decades ago. Also, those animals killed are for us to eat and gain nutrition. Vick on the other hand slowly and painfully killed animals for pleasure.

[@dixonoliver2360]

@@SA-pj3fz ever heard of gag laws ur in denial if u think the govt cares to that extent they value money over everything, also the quick process bs you mention has been debunked multiple times, and yes they are separated from there families baby calves are separated from there others at birth and mother cows have been recorded crying out for the calve same goes for chickens which if they’re baby boy chickens they are immediately sent to a macerated to be essentially grinded to death shortly after being born

[@melissamason7618]

You know what PETA (People for the ethical treatment of animals) wanted to make an example out of Michael Vick. Michael Vick was not home, at his compound when the dog fighting occurred in Virginia. His cousins were staying at his house, house sitting while Michael Vick was away. However, PETA felt it's his home and he should have known what was going on on his property. PETA, pushed for him to be arrested and pushed for the prosecutor to charge Michael Vick with charge's of animal cruelty. No one else who was actually there putting on the dog fight got arrested or charged. He took responsibility because it was his home and he should have known what was going on when he was not there. Michael Vick's ended up doing 18 months on jail for the dog fighting. People were angry at his cousins were pieces of sh.t. people felt Michael Vick's cousin's should have stepped up and took responsibility. They were supposed to be mining the house while Michael was not home. They tarnished this Michael Vick's legacy with the mess. Michael Vick's was one of the highest paying quarterbacks in the NFL. Do he need money from dog fighting. I think not. They wanted to make an example out of Michael Vick's. That didn't stop him. He came out of jail and was playing football better than before he went to jail.

[@TheJstroud24]

Vick was essentially funding a dog fighting ring.

[@traceyvavrecan6714]

He tortured those poor animals. One dog had half of her face gone, she didn't survive the surgery to save her. I will never forgive him

[@andrewhoffman8609]

I truly appreciate a well thought out and calm conversation because that has become quite rare nowadays. The dude beat dogs on a daily basis. I don't know if you have ever heard an animal yelp in pain but if it doesn't tear you heart strings you are off. I know how good he was and I get it but what if he beat children? Would him doing his penance after that make you ok with it? If he beat a couple of 3 year olds would we all just say "Ahhh whatever he served his time, look at how great of an athlete he is". Dude he beat and electrocuted dogs when they weren't mean enough for him. The dog fighting industry steals dogs from homes and use them as bait to train their dogs to fight and kill. But yah he runs fast and there are Philly fans here so let's justify it because he WaS OuR QuarTerBack aNd wE liKe him. Every documentary has an agenda and this one is to legitimize his career. If you beat an animal to death and then say "no one told me this wasn't ok" you have some issues.

[@justinchiles9393]

He actually never participated. But he did give his family members the money to fund and run the dog fighting ring on his properties. He would also gamble often on the fights.

[@SPAMDAGGER22]

He did the time for his crime, he publicly sincerely apologized and put his money where his mouth is. Forgive...yes, forget, never.

[@jadenking4268]

Thats one case where you can honestly say hes a victim of his surroundings and lifestyle where he gew up, that wasnt a bad thing, dog fighting, we all know its horrific but we cant really blame someone for doing what they seen every day growing up, its up to people as a whole to educate these people to give them opportunities to see right from wrong

[@meiguoren66]

@@jadenking4268 so every person that grows up in the hood is a sociopath? And a psychopath? Good to know.

[@jadenking4268]

@@meiguoren66 no of course not, but how would he know thats a bad thing if he sees it every day and its part of his culture im saying he never would have been involved if hes friends and family hadn't come with him after he became rich he didnt juat decide to be involved in that once he bacemae rich

[@meiguoren66]

@@jadenking4268 that doesn't make any sense at all sorry. Sometimes people are just sociopaths and Psychopaths

[@jadenking4268]

@@meiguoren66 that could also be the case you aren't wrong

[@ESUSAMEX]

In America, hurting animals is the same as hurting kids, that's why so many said he should never play again. Moreover, every business has a code of conduct clause in their contracts, and Vick violated that clause. I saw Vick play with the Eagles against the NY Jets at MetLife Stadium in a pre-season game, and I can tell you no one wanted Vick to touch the field. Courts have one opinion and the public has another when it comes to Vick.

[@Modestasgailius]

Its not rocket science now, everything is money at the end of the day. Vick was always gonna be allowed to come back based just purely on economical factors. People on this magnitude will always get away more with things.

[@1nstantClassic]

Dog fighting was the headline but he went to Prison for violating the Interstate Gambling laws in regards to betting on the dog fighting

[@inazosalomontos92]

I love you guys opinion on this, such refreshing to see a real thought of perspective. Why i keep coming back keep it up

[@TheSaltBoiCometh]

2:59 that is still the weirdest nastiest spin move ive ever seen in my life

[@edsmith3461-z7m]

I was at that Giants loss, one of the worst caves ever.

[@zgdafzgdaf4264]

The summer before it broke I met a sweet old lady from Texas who found out I was from atlanta. She was organizing people to call the Falcons and cancel their season tickets and in general complain. I knew he was done for and media wasn’t taking the story serious… I bought my dog a Michel Vic chew toy…. Oh yeah and the season this happened the Falcons head coach Bobby Petrino couldn’t deal with the pressures, wrote a note to the team he quit with a few games left and took the HC job at Arkansas . What a mess..oh yeah also this turned racial and people were protesting in the streets, not a lot but there were enough to try and justify his behavior. Btw I still don’t think he’s paid his debt….

[@GoldKnuckleCC]

Who cares what you think lmao

[@meiguoren66]

Long read but worth it........ Michael Vick. The people who love him stand behind him unconditionally. Those who hate him, hate him without compassion. Those in the middle seem to be buying the philosophy that "He paid his debt. It's time to move on." And if that was the case, it would make the debate a little more intellectual and a little less emotional. But did he really "pay his debt"? Therein lies the biggest bone of contention. In August of 2007, Vick entered a plea of guilty to a federal racketeering charge for promoting gambling across state lines for his ownership and sponsorship of the dogfighting concern known as "Bad Newz Kennels". He was sentenced to 23 months in prison of which he served 18 months before being released to finish his sentence under house arrest. No one disputes this. Vick served time for illegal gambling, which is more than Pete Rose ever did. All well and good. In November of 2008, Vick struck the plea bargain that is the basis of much of the controversy that surrounds the NFL quarterback. Commonwealth Prosecutor Gerald Poindexter made the imprisoned Vick an offer he would have been crazy to refuse. In return for a guilty plea on a state dogfighting charge, Vick would be given a three year suspended sentence and all other charges would be dropped. So without ever serving a day in prison on any of the state charges, Vick was allowed to step out of federal prison and back on to the gridiron, after having his "indefinite" suspension lifted by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Let's look at the law in the Commonwealth of Virginia. A charge of animal cruelty that does not result in the death of an animal is a Class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a sentence of up to twelve months. 51 dogs were seized from Michael Vick's compound at 1915 Moonlight Road in Smithfield, VA. Many of these dogs bore the scars of their abuse. Others were so obviously psychologically scarred that one could say that they had had the dog beaten out of them. They no longer knew how to behave. Some still suffer these horrors today. Google "Richard Hunter, Mel" for just one of these stories. A charge of animal cruelty where the animal dies, is a Class 6 felony, punishable by up to five years in prison. Michael Vick admitted after failing a polygraph that he had personally killed "6 or 7 dogs." Eyewitness testimony makes that number much higher - at least 11. We'll split the difference and call it 9 - the number of canine bodies recovered from Bad Newz Kennels. That's at LEAST 51 misdemeanor counts of animal cruelty, and 9 felonies. That is a potential 96 years jail time for the animal cruelty charges. He served not one day. Surely the appropriate sentence lies somewhere in the middle. Should we be concerned by the fact that the attorney responsible for pursuing the state charges against Michael Vick had represented Vick's father in a civil matter in 2003? How about the fact that one of the federal investigators claimed that Poindexter, who is black, made it clear that he didn’t like the idea of a young African American who had escaped from an underprivileged background and become something of an icon being dragged down, and he certainly didn’t want to be a part of it. Do you smell a conflict of interest yet? Does it bother you that Poindexter frequently made contradictory statements regarding the case? Is it a point of interest that just prior to a second search warrant being served on Vick's property Poindexter withdrew the warrant? Why does a prosecutor who ends up cutting a celebrity convict such a sweetheart deal seem to be acting more like a defense attorney? Dogfighting had been an interest of Vick's for many years and he had been bankrolling Bad Newz Kennels for years before his arrest in 2007. It wasn't a "wrong place, wrong time" moment. It was just a culmination of bad behavior that included drug possession and use, sexual misconduct under the alias of Ron Mexico, and firearms possession. And Vick did more than just bankroll the operation. He was painfully "hands-on" regarding the goings-on at the compound. An excerpt from The Lost Dogs by Sports Illustrated senior editor Jim Gorant ~ "As [the little red dog] lay on the ground fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its hind legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed it to the ground. The first impact didn't kill it. So Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground, until at last, the little red dog was dead." From the USDA report on the activities at Bad Newz Kennels ~ "On two occasions VICK placed his [redacted] dog in the ring and the 'BAD NEWZ KENNEL' pit bull dogs caused major injuries to [redacted] dog. Vick also placed his [redacted] dog in the ring. Both dogs were family pets. VICK, PEACE and PHILLIPS thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to 'BAD NEWZ KENNELS' injure or kill the other dogs." Regardless of convictions or time served, is it not rational to question why a man of this caliber was allowed back into the NFL? Is this the type of person we wish to put in a position to be seen as a sports hero and role model for America's youth? Where do we draw the line? "Paid his debt"? I don't believe it. "Served his time"? Not in my book. He has not faced justice, he has cheated it. And his accomplices in the media who refuse to hold him accountable and sweep his misdeeds under the carpet are as bad as he is. He has stated that when he was engaged in these activities, it never occurred to him that what he was doing was wrong. He has admitted that if he hadn't been caught, he would still be dog fighting. Do you honestly believe he is reformed? Does it not concern you that he seems utterly incapable of any empathic feelings? This is a classic symptom of a sociopath. And those who abuse and kill innocent animals often go on to perpetrate violence against people in their orbit. I question if Michael Vick has spent his last day in a jail cell. The bottom line is this - When you make a conscious decision to torture another living creature simply for your own amusement, you have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed. And when you make the conscious decision to summarily execute by means most foul those creatures who failed to properly amuse you while you were torturing them, for my money you have lost your seat at the banquet that is America's celebrity bounty. - Author Jamie FitzGerald 2

[@ronharris8669]

It’s the state he was living in, and it’s a felony in Virginia and it’s not a felony in other states and he wasn’t thinking and just could have moved a couple of miles away and wouldn’t have went to prison. He was just a famous quarterback and the story was overblown. In the south and Mexico and Latin America it’s not a mystery of cock fighting and dog fighting

[@kalandkarazor-el3088]

I'm one of those people that will never forgive him for what he did However.....seeing the changes he made after prison, I don't hate him either. Everyone deserves a chance to come back from almost anything

[@williamjames914]

He didnt do anything it was just at his properties..lesson learn was you cant help all friends and family...

[@theshadowfax239]

@@williamjames914 I'm very naive you were not very smart. Probably both. You probably enjoy watching dogs get tortured as well, just like your hero Vick.

[@SA-pj3fz]

@@williamjames914 Vick admitted to hanging and drowning dogs… yet you say he didn’t do anything?

[@SA-pj3fz]

@DKhisa Race isn’t relevant here bud. Innocence isn’t the discussion either because every animal is innocent. The issue is abuse for enjoyment. At least the Spanish kill the bulls immediately and painlessly and at least they eat the bulls afterwards

[@williecross7604]

Who cares

[@idiosyncratichandle]

This a little late and it might have been said already but he got 18 months when the average time for dogfighting was 6 months.

[@michaeltribbet9213]

Please keep doing these nfl clips. They’re my favorite parts of this channel! Joseph Vincent videos are extra fire 🔥🔥🔥

[@daskook2656]

He's from the south eastern US, in the hood and the back woods dog fighting and rooster fighting are still a big part of the poorer areas gambling culture.

[@meiguoren66]

Oh then I guess it's okay.

[@daskook2656]

@@meiguoren66 I don't approve of it i was explaining how he got into it, where he's from it use to be common place.

[@msdarby515]

@@daskook2656 it's not the dog fighting that so upsetting as was his participation in killing the dogs... savagely. He could have shot them, but he enjoyed the hands on killing.

[@dayra6425]

Most people don't know Vick and Iverson are from the same neighborhood.. Iverson was in prison as well .. a few other insane athletes are from around were they grew up .. Vick turned his life around .. he's even an announcer on Espn now

[@JudgeDredd_]

It wasn’t the dog fighting. It was money laundering.

[@nottoday7377]

“One of the best to ever play the position”…. maybe top 15 all time.

[@mr.niceguy777]

So that statement rings true.

[@nottoday7377]

@@mr.niceguy777 Sure does.

[@aerofred2002]

I think the biggest point of contention is, people who castigated Vick don't say anything about similar abuses in industrial farming. They're okay with abuses if they contribute to their plates.

[@meiguoren66]

Nice whataboutism

[@aerofred2002]

@@meiguoren66 Yes, but valid. It definitely makes me wonder what was the true motivation behind his conviction. Obviously, animal cruelty seems to have been a pretense considering similar abuses go unchecked in industrial farming.

[@msdarby515]

Comparing him to a rapper isn't helpful when you consider the NFL has commercial sponsorship. Nike, Coca-Cola, Rawlings and others don't want to be anywhere near dog torture.

[@rachaelwhite5961]

I think your point captures the essence of it. Yes, he’s paid his debt. But, does that mean he should be able to play professional football, make 7 mill a year, and be a role model after killing who knows how many innocent animals? There’s a difference between making a living and making millions a year. Animal and child abuse are my two red lines. I’m glad he’s reformed and whatnot, but Vick can disappear and I’d be ok with that. It’s sad that people can have all the talent and success in the world, but don’t have decent role models when they’re growing up to let them know killing dogs is bad.🙄

[@msdarby515]

@@rachaelwhite5961 I agree 100%. I think it's grotesque that any NFL team ever gave him another job. He's a sociopath that enjoyed killing those dogs.

[@Prrocess]

You know a channel is good when you hit the like button before watching. Love the NFL stuff. Also think you guys would like watching Steve Smith Sr. He was a wide receiver who was super short but one of the best to ever play. Will probably be in the hall of fame

[@matthewriley2178]

As a Panther fan Smitty is my favorite player of all time. He was smaller than everyone on the field but he had a bigger dog mentality than anyone at the same time, what a great player

[@Xfactor444-x4n]

The reason why he did dog fighting is because it was what people did in they area he was raised. He grew up with dog fighting. Roy Jones raises cock fighters. They did a while special on it in the 90s. I guess people value dogs more than chickens

[@JohnnyTerps7]

Dog fighting is normal in the hood as much as ppl don’t want to hear it it’s just as normal as chicken fights

[@debbieholoquist2059]

You guys don't seem to understand that dog fighting is more than just putting two dogs together and letting them go at it. It's more evil, with using bait dogs to train the fight dogs. What do you suppose happens to the dogs who lose? Dog fighting is pure evil.

[@BasedBurrr]

Lmak pure evil. Go crhange the world and stop crying

[@lwc2349]

@@BasedBurrr ur a punk if you don’t think what they did to dogs is evil

[@BasedBurrr]

@@lwc2349 listen dude, I hate dog fighting, I hate animals abuse… shit j hate any form of violence that isn’t self defense…but like Vick, I grew up in the hood… that shits normal out here… just because it’s normal doesn’t mean we all participate in or agree with it… what are you doing to fix and stop the issue? Commenting on KZbin? Lmao

[@mysonandme8424]

@@BasedBurrrit isn't normal just because people do something. It's abnormal af.

[@willvr4]

He grew up in a really poor southern neighborhood where dog fighting was a part of the gambling culture. If you grow up where something horrible is so widespread that it seems normal, it does become normal in your head. Like if you grew up in a warzone.

[@meiguoren66]

Literally live in the neighborhood in Albuquerque New Mexico called The War Zone I don't kill people

[@meiguoren66]

@derp derpin it's okay to be a klansman because you grew up white in the south

[@meiguoren66]

Dumb and ignorant is dumb and ignorant

[@meiguoren66]

@derp derpin boy was he a joy to watch

[@Hy-BridAbroad]

Jesus, the other people replying to you completely ignored what you are trying to say. What he did is terrible and obviously not right... but in his mind it wasn't the crazy. He grew up with it and saw it every day. We are a product of our surroundings. Should he have been able to recognize that what he was doing was disgusting as he grew older? Absolutely.

[@ljvwright]

I watched a doc on this years ago. I don't remember every detail, correct me if i'm wrong, but if I remember correctly he had a huge entourage, they were the ones doing the dog fighting, but because it was all in his name - the dogs and the mansion they lived in - he went down for it all.

[@BigDave423AAAO]

That's what I remember hearing. It was some family members and friends who were doing it on property he had purchased.

[@meiguoren66]

@@BigDave423AAAO what a bunch of horse hockey

[@ljvwright]

@@BigDave423AAAO ​Thats what i remember too. Of course the doc might have been straight up lying, but i don't think so.

[@GT-ry1cv]

He was a little more involved than that if you read some of the articles based on the court documents. He formed a business with a couple of buddies to train pit bulls for fighting. He personally bought the property to train the dogs to fight and he said that he and 2 others collectively killed 6 dogs that didn't perform well in training. The only thing that may be a total lie was if he bet on the fights.

[@meiguoren66]

@@GT-ry1cv some say he personally killed as many as 11 he admits to 6 I believe. By breaking their backs electrocuted them all kinds of crazy sick psycho stuff. Psychos don't get better they adapt

[@Mary-xc9dh]

He can work all he wants but what he did was f****** s***... At the end of the day he's a public figure, He did something he knew was not okay and that the American public especially would not like, that's what happens when you're a celebrity 🤷🏼‍♀️ I watched the documentary about what they found and it wasn't just a dogfighting. If you can stomach it watch the documentary. I mean Chris Brown beat the s*** out of Rihanna in public and he's still a celebrated musician.

[@debbieholoquist2059]

Yes, dog fighting. He claimed he didn't know it was wrong. Sorry, but in my opinion, that made it even worse. No matter how talented a quarterback, it takes a backseat to remembering him as being so cruel to living creatures.

[@bryansmith1691]

How forgiving of you.

[@Dreaddhead90]

Vick took the punishment for something he didnt do but for something he could have stopped... When you try to bring your friends and family with you into the stardom and spotlight, too much trust can be your demise!

[@meiguoren66]

I read that doctor Mengele was nice to dogs.

[@etommy13]

Let's be honest....you don't "read".

[@meiguoren66]

@@etommy13 sorry I just looked it up and apparently t i the rapper paid it off. Not sure if you read but you might want to look up TI

[@etommy13]

@@meiguoren66 Vick paid all of it. TI may have helped him out but he paid back every penny.

[@meiguoren66]

@@etommy13 Lol

[@etommy13]

@@meiguoren66 Laughing at your stupidity is not cause for joy.

[@jckdnls9292]

No one's denying him a job... he can go be a mechanic or a plumber or a lawyer .... but a job that can be argued that the players are role models, they should be held to a higher standard.

[@sgt.horvath7023]

Lol so a doctor who beat his wife should never be a doctor again cuz you know they are held to a higher standard or is that only reserved for black athletes 🤔..

[@jckdnls9292]

@@sgt.horvath7023 black or white athletes or actors... anyone with a further public reach /influence , more so than a doctor or lawyer. Michael vic can go be a doctor if he wants

[@tjswan4628]

It was difficult for Vick to get a job when he got out.. Nobody wanted to sign him due to the negative attention he may attract

[@brianlewis5692]

Good example of 'Talent' without 'Good Character'. In the beginning, MV states he made a "bad decision" - I beg to differ. He didn't make a decision. He revealed a part of his inner character that was distasteful. I never have to "decide" that I'm not going to fight my dogs. I would never...COULD NEVER, do so. If he hadn't been caught, he'd still be doing it. Goes to show that in America, anyone, ANY ONE, can become famous and be a celebrity due to talent. But good character is what keeps you a celebrity.

[@travionpatterson9776]

😂😂😂 step off your soapbox it doesn’t seem sturdy. Dog fighting happens a lot. You grow up in a family of hunters your likely to hunt and not see anything wrong with it, Though a lot of people see it as awful. Same thing with dog fighting it’s a culture, some people just see animals as animals. Slaughtering them to eat, Murdering them for sport All legal!!!! Fighting dogs for money not so much….I’m sure you’re a vegan “I could never”😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂

[@brianlewis5692]

@@travionpatterson9776 Русский сговор

[@lwc2349]

@@travionpatterson9776 yea but if hunting was torturing animals for extended periods of time, you would have to be a sociopath regardless to not see that as horrible

[@1776SOL]

I'm a bleed green Eagles fan & didn't want the Eagles to sign Vick. But watching his raw talent made me temporarily put blinders on & just focus for that moment in time just a remarkably talented man.

[@ZONEPRESSLLC]

I was at a few games after and they were throwing dog bones at him after the game.

[@meiguoren66]

Michael Vick? Oh...the guy that tortured, electrocuted, hung, drowned, and beat the life out of innocent creatures for pure entertainment? That guy’s not going to be remembered as a football legend. He will forever be the guy who made that horrible, well-thought-out “mistake”

[@meiguoren66]

Yeah that could be rehabilitated

[@joshuabolton3866]

His Randy Moss video is crazy

[@chronicmuncher]

AKA Ron Mexico that was the funniest shit when that happened even though it was also kinda tragic

[@eddierodriguez114]

Leavenworth* not leavensworth lol just correcting it here because it’s where I’m from

[@ayoitzslayer]

Would be awesome if you guys watched some Kobe highlights!

[@jameslaplace9635]

Federal dog fighting conviction. Did his time at Leavenworth prison in Kansas.

[@jonnyquest406]

The guy who made this video, Joseph Vincent, made a half hour version of this Vick video that goes deeper, I would recommend you check it out offline

[@beaujac311]

Jonny Quest:. Now that would have been the better video.

[@MegaRxgirl]

I have no use for a man who brutally killed dogs not just the dogfighting. IMO he belongs in prison today.

[@lyndawisely1967]

No one ever corrected him? What kind of person can torture dogs and watch them fight to the death and NOT KNOW it was wrong?

[@keithsudkamp7496]

Sad thing is: our judicial system in the U.S. isn't designed to rehabilitate people. Most people that are imprisoned and released become more of a target of harassment and arrest.

[@dill9001]

Definitely need to work on helping people before we release them with out any guidance, but adults need to make better decisions and learn consequences as well

[@meiguoren66]

Polarizing is $$$$$ mornay

[@Derekjablonski]

Your born a philly fan

[@mkhan8527]

Michael Vick was steve young after steve young.

[@ex89thmpbdecagekicker22]

He was an amazing player. PROUD PHILLY FAN!! Daz we prefer the term passonite over bonkers/crazy..

[@NotSoFast71]

Maybe give "passionate" a try.

[@odemusvonkilhausen]

Sorry Dave, but there's a far cry between selling drugs and making dogs fight, and drowning the losers in a bucket.

[@simeonteitelbaum3673]

I have friends who are dog lovers and they will never be able to get past what he did and thats perfectly understandable. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt because (A) he grew up in a region in which dog-fighting is sadly an ingrained part of the culture and he didn't have other influences (B) since he's got out of jail he's been a tireless advocate for the ethical treatment of dogs. I think he's earned redemption

[@noni5961]

Yayyyyyy NFL. I love when you guys do NFL. Have you done the #Brady6rings one?

[@bl18ce99]

Seven rings

[@miamidolphinsfan]

He was a really good NFL player...no question about it. But as a human being he is a disgusting vile & horrible person. He didn't just kill dogs, he tortured them 1st. He made them feel pain, and not just a little pain, but excruciating pain,

[@kjsalomonsen9299]

Once you get into the NFL you play by their rules, meaning that the NFL has a colde of conduct. When you step outside of the code the NFL is going to react in kind. The bigger the break in the code the harder the NFL will come down on you. Most, espeicially, if the NFL believes that, they will lose money for whatever, the player(s) have done. If you can show that you have changed your ways and the public will still pay money to whatever team then your in but if your grievance is so toxic then it's good bye for good (Ray Rice) and hello next player.

[@stacysimms2709]

The video montage doesn't do him justice. Reppin' my home state VA. Best to ever do it. Though I hated what he did, as I am a huge dog and animal lover, the retribution for him was more than NFL players who were accused of rape, drugs, murder, etc.

[@ankh-ef-en-khonsu3274]

He wasn't just involved with "fighting" them. There were barbaric and torturous acts being done that you're conveniently glossing over.

[@GoldKnuckleCC]

Who cares he paid his debt

[@jeffburdick869]

If it were up to me, he'd still be in Leavenworth.

[@Joedirt3349]

damn straight and buggered 24/7

[@JudgeDredd_]

I don’t have a problem with dog fighting or humans fighting or any of that. It’s been happening since the beginning of time. You know how many stray dogs are out running around right now? Where are all the sympathetic souls for them? I just laugh at people man I dunno.

[@4tr0phy]

Vick grew up in my hometown (Newport News). I watched him and his brother Marcus play in high school. Then my older sister who was around the same age as Mike, went to VT, which is where he played college ball. I've been watching Michael Vick play football basically my entire life. There was never anyone like him in the history of the sport and may never be anyone like him. Just not even close. Watching him in high school was like watching clips of LeBron in high school; its like he was a different species. I once saw him being tackled with both feet off the ground, and he whipped off a 70 yard pass. Literally horizontal in midair, and with just a wrist flick threw the ball over half a football field. Literal cannon. I still don't understand it.

[@NikNation]

WATCH ZION WILLIAMSON FUTURE KING also by Joseph Vincent

[@lisasmythe3826]

If you thought Michael Vick was amazing y'all should watch Lamar Jackson.

[@johnwhite345]

Michael Vick and his associates used to put family pet dogs into the the ring with pitbulls for training purposes. I hope he doesn't still think like that today.

[@ATLMike94]

It was mostly Vick's associates. They were doing it at his residence. He's the big name so they gave him time too

[@hawk5096]

He got more time than that guy who "graped" that girl who was passed out in the garbage. What you blokes are missing is, in the U.S. when average people serve their time they can't a job either. The question is own job application. He said he did it becuase that's what he grew up with.

[@meiguoren66]

Very well said.

[@Martini3inc]

It’s because it was dogs. People can’t forgive cruelty towards children or animals. He would have got a warmer welcome back if he would have accidentally killed someone. Go figure. But yeah. Women, children or animals are always off limits. He’s a FOX NFL news anchor now. So he’s making a living and staying out of trouble. So he was given more than a second chance. He came back to football and when he retired he went on to being a TV personality. And I’m fine with it. Look at ray lewis accused of murder. And I think he did have something to do with it. And he was playing immediately after he was found not guilty. Not skipping a beat. But if you haven’t done the ray Lewis murder trial. That might be something you all would find very interesting. Or Allen Iverson story. NBA player that brought all 20-30 of his friends with him to the city he was drafted to and basically tainted his legacy all while not really practicing and parting all the time and he was still amazing. He lost everything as well.

[@tallmunchkin868]

People are so incredibly hypocritical when it comes to dogs.

[@meiguoren66]

How?

[@tallmunchkin868]

@@meiguoren66 For example, the number of people I’ve known who will lose their minds over Koreans eating dogs while having no issue with eating pork themselves is ridiculous.

[@meiguoren66]

@@tallmunchkin868 well pigs aren't generally our pets. I agree with you about eating dogs but for me it's not about eating dogs its about torturing dogs what which Koreans also do that because it also improves the adrenaline out and thinking it improves your penile performance etc. Skin them alive. I lived in a remote part of China for five years and I've seen it. Did that and much more

[@meiguoren66]

Sorry using voice texting

[@tallmunchkin868]

@@meiguoren66 They’re as smart or smarter than dogs though. The idea of what is a pet and what isn’t is fairly arbitrary.

[@mattb1974]

There's a two part 30 for 30 on ESPN on him. I'm glad I watched it.

[@Musicmusic55711]

NY had the #1 defense that year n that defense won 2 Super Bowl n beat Tom Brady

[@willvr4]

This loss took them out of the playoffs essentially. They didn't make it this year. This game was so hard to watch. Idk how you give up 28 points in under 8 mins.

[@dannypalmer4753]

Lamar Jackson in college at Louisville. Y'all will love him!

[@thomasx58]

Leavenworth not leavensworth

[@kenmahoney5255]

Michael Vick f.. kd up big. But in America if you pay your Dept to society, you have payed your Dept. You do you Mike, f.. k everyone else!