Installing a Hinson Billet Clutch Basket and the Neil's Clutch Mod | Project 250R Part 18

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you for watching my video! You all ROOOOOOOCK!!!!! 🤘 Parts list for the Neil's Clutch Mod are as follows... CR500 Springs 5 pcs - (Part #22401-KA5-740) amzn.to/3cYFavB TRX250R Fibers - 7 pcs - (Part #22201-KAE-000) amzn.to/2TNtRyW TRX250R Steel Plates - 5 pcs (Part #22321-KFO-770) amzn.to/33fCvt9 TRX400EX Steel Plate -1 pc - (Part #22321-MV4-000) amzn.to/3aWdlT2 Honda Drain Plug Washer - 5 pcs - (Part #94109-12000) amzn.to/39PO6BH Extra Thrust Washer (Optional) - 1 pc - (Part #90456-KA4-000) amzn.to/3aVJdHf Hinson Billet Clutch Basket For The TRX250R - amzn.to/39PQxEl Tools/Fluids I used Milwaukee M12 Fuel Drill - amzn.to/39QHrXT Basic Small Torque Wrench - amzn.to/2Q9Zbpl Hammer - amzn.to/38Qmr2f Punch - amzn.to/2wZFYQc Drill Bits - amzn.to/33fJvWU Klotz Flex Drive 30 - amzn.to/2WePdqG Loctite 272 - amzn.to/2ILqS3x

[@MichaelSabo]

See you all at 12 PM ET today! Remember, this is a premiere video, so it will be a live showing and I will be active in the live chatbox! You all rock! See you soon!

[@darronmiller9126]

Well ur build got me. I bought a 86 r yesterday

[@danpmatz]

I bought a Banshee after the last one then there was just a sick ass 250R on Craigslist for 4000 I almost bought lol

[@867diesel]

congrats to man hood . ive had my 86 since 01 its got an 89 engine . 86 is the strongest frame 88-89 best engines

[@markworkman9224]

I’m so glad to see you use good oil and you care for your bikes. 2vintage should take your advice and watch your videos to learn a thing or two.

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you bro

[@Slane583]

Dude, not to sound like an ass. But you're also talking about a kid who blasted the front rotor of his dirt bike with WD-40 because it was rusty and then complained that his bike wouldn't stop. I honestly think he should keep his hands off of anything 2-stroke. But that's just my opinion about him. He seems like a total dunce when it comes to anything he gets his hands on. For some reason I could see him getting his hands on a rare big cc chain saw and then crying that it doesn't run good on water. :P

[@markworkman9224]

Michael Sabo your talking abut 2vintage right 🤣

[@it426]

Just rewatched this Mike.. THE CohVhid remarks are hilarious dude!! Thank you for ALL the great videos!!

[@danedurkop6119]

The corona joke right off the bat killed me 😂 you make informational videos fun keep it up mans it’s awesome!

[@MichaelSabo]

lol thank you for watching my dude!

[@jimmadonna1436]

Mike in enjoined your channel and you bro! I love Honda's especially 2 Strokes. I had a female friend who her And I had CONTACT TO THE FINAL DEGREE ON THE TRX. I probably shouldn't have TRUMPED THAT ON YOUR CHANNEL. Sorry. The engine Was rated @ 39 HP but properly uncorked it was a more like 43. The bike turned faster than the Suzuki and the Banshee. I added a tooth too the rear sprocket and it made a huge difference. I'm looking forward to the FUTURE and seeing you ride her. Thanks for the effort that you put in your channel. ✌

[@MichaelSabo]

That is awesome Jim 🤘 Thank you for the love and for following my build! LONG LIVE THE R!!!

[@stevetremblay9323]

i cant wait to follow you built that beast

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you for following the build man!

[@andrewparker1055]

Miss Neil I grew up down the road from him.

[@evaneyeball7953]

The cr125 clutch basket and inner clutch basket will fit in a trx250r Arlan at LED is doing that to my motor you use cr125 clutch plates and 250r steels. And if you get your pipe before I get my cases back from LED I'm going to be mad.lol 7 weeks

[@MichaelSabo]

Haha. The CR125 setup was my 2nd choice; I've heard great stuff about that setup too.

[@twistedjigco.548]

I love your videos, you get down with the little details and making things perfect like I do 👌🏻 I wanna do a bottom end, I’ve done lots of top ends and just had to do crank seals on an 85. I’m super into this and very mechanically inclined. Just got a digital 1/4 torque ratchet too 🔥

[@bangs2ndshotgarage865]

Man that’s a trick setup. I did the Barnett fibers and disc with oem springs and basket and it works alright but that looks way better

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you man; I'd actually get a Barnett over the Hinson because of the stainless inserts the Barnett uses; I was unaware when I bought the Hinson.

[@gregorybrothers9650]

Great information!

[@peteschaller7736]

Lol I just bought the same set up for my 250r, very helpful video thanks buddy

[@connersnow298]

Awesome vid and edits and filming and bike

[@brokebikemtb4448]

This is my hinson story.....so I bought the basket inner boss and outer boss separate from 3 different sellers and the basket was 150 new open box....the inner and outer were very slightly used...I got the plates and fiber kit for 100 and I went with aftermarket Barnett springs....they have some gold shit coated onto them that's makes them special somehow not sure...but I saved like 600 bucks buy not buying the complete kit....the action after install is really smooth

[@MichaelSabo]

Good shit man; I'd love to run the Hinson boss and pressure plate but they're mad expensive.

[@josephlambert9419]

If they recommend to use that much locktite you might as well weld the dagum screws on there haha

[@MichaelSabo]

Right!? I hope I never have to remove those

[@867diesel]

sweet set up dude . ive always just ran hinson clutches with the basket . their disks are dimpled now smooth and never had problems and ive raced mine for many years . then you dont have all kinds of other parts you have to find . just one call thats all . hinson is the way lol . and anything klutz is top of the line . i do wonder though if this neils clutch set up is cheaper than hinson though

[@MichaelSabo]

I think price-wise, the Hinson fibers and discs is actually cheaper. OEM stuff purchased individually is usually not cheap; mine sure wasn't. However, the OEM stuff is supposed to wear very well so I'll try it.

[@alexhoudek13]

Can't believe that thing was still running and riding fine with that broken clutch fiber😲

[@randyaguirre7391]

I filed groves got me a good 2hr ride time til it started slipping again

[@apparently5747]

i have a 87 hp banshee with the stock clutch basket and i’ve had some slipping but only occasionally i might upgrade to billet

[@MichaelSabo]

Dude that's really pushing it with a stock basket lol

[@OperatorASF]

Food for thought: smooth steels are better than dimpled. They grip better and wear slower

[@MichaelSabo]

A few subscribers actually reached out to me and said the same thing; I did not know this. Thank you for the feedback man!

[@OperatorASF]

@@MichaelSabo not a problem. It's like I said when I texted you bro

[@wheelieaddict]

Nice video man can you re use the back plate if you wanted to if it doesn’t get damaged

[@claudeperron780]

Loctight doesnt bond. It expand and turn into plastic.;-) Good video.

[@augieh6146]

I loved the video. The 4 foot pounds on the screws instead of 3.3 gives me anxiety. What’s a good torque wrench with those increments if you know?

[@ronin0096]

Got an 05 250r and I'm installing the primary gear now. Forgot to take photos of Wich side is up or down....

[@andreasbrandstetter9221]

start with a fibre on the alloy boss? hmm never seen that bevor...

[@mgill9868]

Once you've peened the bolts in the basket, how do you get them back out if it needs new bushings in the future?

[@Motoinc]

Doesn't scuffling the metal plates make the fiber wear faster because it is scuffed?

[@MichaelSabo]

In theory it could if the plates are still slipping a lot; but it should have less slippage which can actually save the fibers from wearing.

[@MOTO_MAVERICK53]

Don’t see why your bothering with the clutch if you haven’t rebuild the engine Yet

[@brokebikemtb4448]

Because he is swapping over parts to the new basket....the clutch basket setup is a little bit of a pain in the ass

[@867diesel]

becuase it needs to be done as well

[@legoandrcman8615]

Probably because he sent the cases off to be vapor blasted and needs something to do in the mean time

[@867diesel]

@@legoandrcman8615 another good reason

[@MichaelSabo]

exactly!

[@Felix-dl9lp]

Wouldn’t you need a different inner hub? since your adding another friction and steel it looks like the last steel wouldn’t engage with the inner hub. 26:35

[@MichaelSabo]

I am running 7 fibers which is the stock amount. If you run 8 fibers, then yes, you do need to run an aftermarket boss and pressure plate.

[@Jursaw]

Man I just did this on my dads ltr450 and now the clutch lever wont fully disengage the clutch. If you pull it and try to into first it will stall out. Think the lever just needs to be adjusted?

[@MichaelSabo]

That's what it sounds like to me, could be as easy as tightening up your cable. Might want to inspect your clutch basket fingers too,, if they're grooved, it can cause the clutch to hang up.

[@Jursaw]

Michael Sabo I replaced the basket with a hi son and inner hub with another brand. I trued adjusting it and now it bangs into gear. It won’t let me put it into neutral. It skips and goes into 2nd. I’m not sure if I just don’t know how to adjust the clutch cable correctly. My dad said it wouldn’t bang into gear before. I also put Tusk heavy duty springs in it as well. I only soaked the clutch discs in oil for like an hour so maybe that is the cause. He is going to take it to the power sports mechanic because I don’t want to ruin anything.

[@MichaelSabo]

@@Jursaw its not because you only soaked the plates for an hour. So it had normal function before? Its possible the new clutch pack is too thick causing it to never fully disengage. You may need to use a different washer on your pressure plate or mess with your cable some more. It's hard to diagnose without seeing it, i hope you're able to figure it out man.

[@Jursaw]

Michael Sabo Thank you for your help! My dad said the clutch lever was always hard to pull since he bought it used but it never banged into gear. This past weekend he said the clutch was toast. Ill comment once I hear back from his atv mechanic

[@brad4010]

Hey Michael. Are you sure you peened the bolts correctly? I usually seen folks strike the edge where the bolt thread meets the wall, vice the center.

[@MichaelSabo]

I actually researched this before making the video; from what I found; bolts can be peened on the edge or the middle. Other people actually mushroom the end of the bolt with a peening hammer if there are enough threads exposed. Hinson did not specify where they recommend you make your peen.

[@brad4010]

@@MichaelSabo Cool! Just wanted to make sure. I'm not the biggest fan of the Hinson instructions. My dad and I are rebuilding my old Z400 and restoring one of Chris Borich's LTRs from last season. I just finished putting a new hinson basket in the LTR yesterday. I'll be sure to send over some pics once we finish both up!

[@motododo4626]

Hey dude your a michigan guy right. Do i have to rejet my carburetor to accept the corona virus will it lean or ritchen my fuel to air ratio i heard it starves the bike for air.

[@vassiliiero1921]

Moto Dodo hahahahahaha

[@motododo4626]

All joking aside thow my thoughts go out to those in need due to this. 3 cases have popped up 5 miles from me.

[@MichaelSabo]

Omg dude 😂 If we got bikes popping because of corona; we got some serious problems. I am a Philly guy. Might be confused because I do a lot of work with DBC Racing and they're in MI.

[@motododo4626]

@@MichaelSabo ahhhhh alright thats why you sound like a philly dude lol i was like how the f*** a michigan guy sound like that.

[@lukestoyz]

Don’t forget to also install this rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F390930501270 upgrade while you have your clutch apart👍🏼. Big difference on the pull.

[@MichaelSabo]

Thank you for sharing the link! I believe my bike already has the update... I think lol

[@lukestoyz]

Michael Sabo This update only came on the ‘1989 TRX. It comes with the new end pressure plate, Push rod & end cap & the flat washer & flat needle style bearing. Early years just pushed on a single ball bearing at the end of the rod, and the end cap.

[@evanwilliams2602]

Hey mike I'm working on my friends rmz250 now weirdly the clutch cover is rubbing the pressure plate what's going on I'm pulling my hair trying to figure this out.what would cause it to touch the cover like that. To the point when the cover is tight the kicker wont return.

[@travisnunya4641]

Why wouldn't you use the red locktite 290

[@andrewspoto9378]

Does that fiber first fiber last go for a raptor 700r?

[@stevetremblay9323]

hi can we buy the hinson clutch bascket WITH the gear ??

[@MichaelSabo]

You may be able to find one used that's already assembled, but as far as I know, you can only buy the basket and gear separately; if you're buying the new gear, the hardest part of drilling the rivets is taken out of the process

[@just_in_time5518]

Nice! 🤙👊

[@MichaelSabo]

Thanks! 😁

[@bentagliarini7918]

Will these parts fit 00 cr250

[@robertmccraw2847]

Hell yea 🤙🏽

[@MichaelSabo]

🤘 Thank you for watching Rob!

[@Shaun_81]

How are you going to skip showing the thrust washer, spring, washer, screw, whatever, combo? I wanted to see what order they go in. C’mon Mike, I need you here!! 🤘😀

[@MichaelSabo]

lol

[@aidannicholls9975]

What website can I find the Hinson clutch?

[@MichaelSabo]

amzn.to/2WwG64P

[@garethboyd8580]

Decent video man! Be aware of just how much the larger torque wrench is off spec though. Like you say, you’re reducing down a lot! To let other folks know. If you’re in the bottom or top 10-15% or so of the range of a spring type torque wrench then they’re really unreliable. Get a bigger or smaller wrench if at all possible. I understand that a new torque wrench is expensive for a lot of guys, but it’s a hell of a lot less than a new case if they’re stripping out smaller bolts using too large torque wrench.

[@josephlambert9419]

I have a lt500r (quadzilla) engine on a stretched out ltz400 frame and the lt500r has a dr.q 540 stroker in it I trail ride it I live Philadelphia in any one lives here and wants to ride

[@MichaelSabo]

Dude that's got to be one beast of a machine

[@BIGHEARTM1967]

WD 40 Works Best For Sticker Residue

[@MichaelSabo]

Good call!

[@motododo4626]

Tyler guy is like a needy girlfriend that keeps clinging to you waiting for you to say.... holy fuck ok love you ...you hear me love you, jesus christ.

[@SteffsGarage]

Dude at :48 seconds I know what you are saying.

[@lowkhalbalr]

something...something..."mushroom tip"

[@kJohn-wi2nx]

How did ik he was going to say that about the mask😭😂

[@MichaelSabo]

lmao

[@867diesel]

4 dislikes because people are so stupid they think you have to rebuild the engine before the clutch as if there is a specific order to go in when its all getting done at the end lmao

[@MichaelSabo]

lmao

[@ismailfahmi3233]

F..the mask & corona.

[@robertmacias4690]

wudder

[@savyourselffreedom2149]

Why you got mask on you drama QUEEN

[@medveds1]

F the mask!!@