Tyranny of the Minority: With Professors Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky

[@Check.Your.Sources]

Oh-ho! Mr. Steele has taken his show on the road! Good stuff, glad to see you bringing the message of truth to the people away from the sponsors of the mainstream!

[@brendajohnson3173]

I hope more people click on this discussion (and like). It is a brilliant discussion about where we are, where we have been and projections of what could be on the horizon as a nation. Thank you Mr. Steele!

[@Joe-pc3hs]

But he was literally a party to election denial under the last presidency.

[@dorothydevinney694]

Oh Micheal, you have such great shows.... I just loved this one .

[@hazellove2144]

Thank you. Excellent discourse.

[@janetanderson7941]

Loving this. Excellent show, getting the book but I also saved this show on my tablet. Thank you!

[@stephrainspirite9985]

Love the quote from Hannah. Thank you for so much insight. Since I was young I had wondered how were the nazis able to get away with such atrocities. Well at 66 I have learned the bad news...it was done with the people.That makes me so sad and deep within fearful.

[@jannichi6431]

Yes, as a youngster I recall seeing Hitler tapes and wondering how can Germans stand to be yelled at? My father, a history buff, specifically WWII answered many questions as the subject was brought up in French class, but not until middle school.

[@Anabee3]

We can rest in the Lord, friend. ❤

[@colleenbrady9675]

Me too.

[@jacquelinebreslin1658]

It is so tragic to see fascism rise here led by Trump

[@jacquelinebreslin1658]

Ty

[@juliasimpson1759]

Michael even though you are a Republican, I actually like you. I may not agree with you on everything but I respect you and I believe you are a good person. ✌️💜

[@jannichi6431]

So enjoy him with his spot on analysis but a bit egocentric for my personal taste. Humility is not exactly honored in today's Republican Party. Win at all costs and OWN others fruits and wealth for POWER.

[@blondiegreeneyes4802]

Isn't that weird, I agree with you ! I can not stand Republicans and never could. I could almost see this MAGA madness coming since 1985. (I suspect Michael has had a lot fun at a few parties lol)

[@JellyBean-lo4sl]

Sadly catering to the top 1% by republikkkans since Reagan is exactly how we got dump.

[@imperialmotoring3789]

I like Trump way better.

[@juliasimpson1759]

@@imperialmotoring3789 Then you obviously drank the koolaide.

[@DeeDee-tq4cg]

Thank you to you all!!!

[@leecox6292]

Folks, this journey was pure gold. Thank you for helping explain and clarify a confusing subject that means so much.

[@sharonbailey6548]

What an impressive conversation! Thank you!! I just added the book to my waiting list!

[@LADYKAT...]

Michael, thanks so much for talking about the electoral college! I hate it!!!

[@jannichi6431]

Many scholars agree with you. Rumble with Michael Moore podcast REALLY does. He has a 12 step program on how to make a real difference, locally. Aired beginning of this year.

[@francesbatycki404]

Arendt is an incredible thinker and writer. Time to reread her work. 👍👍🇨🇦

[@jannichi6431]

Thanks for the recommendation.

[@Laura-LaFauve]

This is absolutely great! Thank you!

[@stephanieunderland5999]

I am impressed with our 18 to 35 year olds. They are intelligent and involved.

[@jannichi6431]

Really smart. Up there with Greatest Generation, it's the in between that's the problem children.

[@qjtvaddict]

Well they are literally getting violated by the government they kinda have to

[@locadisa]

Yes.... because America is their country now!

[@kieranoconnor4334]

You should look at the Irish Constitution and the system of referendum that we have used. Originally modelled on the US Constitution but with numerous changes.

[@jannichi6431]

Love Ireland. They have such good people there. 🍀

[@rolitanoble]

Michael Steele, I love your podcast! I learned so much from you. I appreciate you, standing in your truth in such a powerful way. Thank you!

[@elizabethwilson3499]

This was an amazing episode, Michael. These guys are fabulous.

[@lesleepetersen87]

Thank you for this interview. It’s a great book! Now interview Heather Cox Richardson and her new book Democracy Awakening! Another wonderful book!

[@stephanieunderland5999]

This is why holding every single person involved in the January 6th effort to overthrow our government needs to be held accountable. This includes every member of Congress & Trump & his minions.

[@jannichi6431]

Please vote any election denier or Decertifier OUT that includes the RepublicanTrumpians that are in your state chambers too.

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

People like Jordan who was on the phone with Trump jan 6th am and refused a subpoena from the Commission

[@imperialmotoring3789]

There was no attempt to overthrow the government. How simple are you?

[@michelenix1562]

❤AMEN 💗 🙏

[@imperialmotoring3789]

@@michelenix1562 Amen!!! God Bless Trump!

[@kathiestickel9247]

Great conversation. Thanks for talking about the electoral college.

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Yes, the electoral college must never be removed.

[@lenafoster971]

This was brilliant. Thank you Profs, and thank you, Chairman Steele

[@lucyflanagan3628]

My understanding is that the elector’s role is as ceremonial as the VPs’ is, e.g. Pence’s most recently.

[@MomDeb]

Great podcast and important guests. Thanks, Michael. If I may add some input … I am a 72 year old white female with a lifelong interest in politics, history and social/civic actions. I do not have a college degree. I realized years ago that it was the insistence from my parents that fostered my interest and ongoing search to assimilate and understand how our government works. I am ever grateful to my folks and grandparents for their fostering of this. I also realize that most of my peers, classmates, friends and acquaintances were not given the same levels of familial based education. So, ask yourselves: how many middle class and struggling lower middle class people do you think are REALLY following politics? How many, between election cycles, try to keep up with what legislation is introduced, passed, rejected or vetoed that impact their daily lives? How many have read The Constitution in full? How many understand the purpose and necessity of Separation of Powers & peaceful transition? How does big money manage to change and control social and political opinion? I think you’ve answered the reasons for amped up fears and frustration. But, we must attempt to address the lack of educational emphasis about civics and history. I would say starting in elementary school and continuing every year thereafter. Somehow we need to elevate the enthusiasm of learning more about these things among young people. Looking around the American landscape, it is a very small number of folks who start their adulthood WANTING to go into politics. Among those who do, a sizable percentage come from political families who have won or lost elections. How do we encourage and support political neophytes to join the fray while making sure that they actually understand the way our Representative Democracy works? Just some thoughts from an old Democrat in Texas.

[@nonayoung8177]

Wow. that is quite a comment filled with intelligent comments and you make absolute sense. We need to take action but how? it is so difficult to make change. i agree with you having our historical documents and idea early in the classroom.

[@paulcastillo953]

Let's go ahead and do now America 🇺🇸 💙 ❤

[@sharondavid-melly1498]

Brilliant discussion, gentlemen. 🇺🇸👍 Thank you!

[@howardwunderlich6323]

Kudos to you Michael for having you and your two guests on your program to discuss the threats to our democratic values. Learning the whys and the ways of reforming the process was enlightening. Thank you so much. A double thumbs up. I always think of what happened in Rwanda as an example of the tyranny of the minority, And it was not pretty.

[@shermanefouche4162]

Terrifically educational podcast. Brilliant!!! THANK YOU!!!

[@liviadix1433]

This was a terrific conversation, the only thing missing was the importance of money, and how money influences our democracy.

[@stephaniesass5173]

You’ve always been my favorite Republican. I’ve never held the fact that you’re a conservative against you. I know you tried to tell them. As for the Tea Party cult that Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy promoted I can’t help but appreciate the fact that it is the very thing that has negatively impacted their political aspirations. 😂😂 Thanks for a great and much needed discussion.😍😍😍

[@amiensarabellis8391]

I cannot tell you the indescribable pleasure of writing and calling politicians to voice my opinion.

[@stephanieunderland5999]

Thank you for that comment. It's so important for people to understand that people usually do what they say. Continually voting against your own best intetest is self-induced suicide

[@cindyshilanskis8503]

Great discussion, Guys! Thank you so much.

[@robertwalsh1724]

Economic insecurity can be dramatically curtailed with a national health system. And eliminating student loan debt. Access to housing in some of the overpriced urban centers also helps.

[@jodestella2746]

Michal you have the perfect platform to show President Biden’s speech at the memorial for his dear father fiend, John McCain. Makes all of fearless hope for this country and keeping faith in democracy. Please consider this idea.

[@djeanshowell9475]

Brillant podcast excellent guests with michael Steele 👍

[@louannkyle602]

What we need to remember is how republicans the last decade or so have gotten in due to the electoral college without the popular vote we need now to sink huge resources into swing states we have to overwhelmingly win the electoral college then work our way out for the popular vote dems have been terrible at this now we fight

[@Kate4ChrisWhitley]

Excellent! Thank you........

[@urkiddingme6254]

Good discussion. Please explain how the electoral college favors (SLIGHTLY, you said) rural states. Clearly the Senate favors less populous states, but how does that work in the electoral college? Sometimes it seems our nation is more divided between rural and city pov than between Republican and Democrat.

[@karelancona7402]

Thanks for this discussion.

[@michelenix1562]

❤EXCELLENT INTERVIEW AND GUEST 's!!!!!!😊

[@LenaMaynard-tz4dr]

Michael I agree with you 100%

[@lucyflanagan3628]

Well said, Michael Steele.

[@KattEyl]

I don’t think we should underestimate the impact of right wing media pushing this hate of other agenda. If every one of those radio stations turned to giving a progressive message you would see a change.

[@nonayoung8177]

excellent point

[@karllieck9064]

All cable media want 45 to be president ( dictator) again. And for what? Great ratings! They are painting their own narrative and putting our lives in harm's way.

[@susanschaffner4422]

Excellent conversation, thanks, Michael.

[@lindahoganson8721]

When people say and show us they’re not in support of democracy, don’t vote for them.

[@lindahoganson8721]

(I’d join a Zoom group. Any you can share about?)

[@janetanderson7941]

I have watched the J6 testimonials incessantly. I learn something new every time that I do. Everyone should. There is do much that was done to kill our democratic institutions. I can never watch it enough.

[@jannichi6431]

Specifically what testimonials? When are you referring to? The person's arrested for participating in storming the Capitol? 1,000+ arrested? Or Proud, 3%, Patriotic, etc. members??? Where do you watch if that's who you are referring to. Courts of law allowing cameras. Almost all J6 and witnesses are Republicans on e loyal or still Trumpian MAGA.

[@jannichi6431]

Heritage Foundation updates their mission statement every so often. Project 2025 is 900 pages and over 60+ other PACs are on board. Today's Constitution to be rewritten by a wanna be Dictator is incomprehensible to me until I watched Trump Campaign. Because of his vindictive nature and misplaced blame, It was clear he hated America, despite what his airhead wife says.

[@Possibilities360]

This is an exiting political discourse. Keep doing great works like this especially bringing distinguished professors or scholars on board to discuss current political issues.

[@4719wesley]

This was excellent Michael.

[@oceanecastelnau9821]

Michael Steele for Speaker of the House 🇺🇲

[@Laura-LaFauve]

Yes!

[@juliasimpson1759]

So what do you think, Michael, do you want to be Speaker of the House? ✌️💜

[@locadisa]

And then the following week Matt Gaetz would vote to vacate.

[@loricrawford1952]

I enjoyed listening to you guys! I majored in political science. I've joined a few causes and support progressive candidates❤ i vote in every election incl primaries, run offs etc

[@avajordan5616]

Thank you for bringing solutions!

[@dougcummings6000]

Excellent discussion!

[@deborahrogersjohnson293]

LOVE these discussions.....please don't stop.....

[@sosueme66]

❤❤❤❤msteele❤❤❤❤

[@fairisfair2416]

Fabulous podcast! Im buying that book! Need all the help we can get!

[@jodestella2746]

President Biden’s speeches are very inspiring for our democracy.

[@kesart8378]

It serms oxymoronic to have to demand one's rights: "Rights", by definition, should be ever available and not requiring a struggle to exercise.

[@herbclay262]

Great show. Powerful message!

[@livefromplanetearth]

Steven Levitsky x Charles Blow. make that happen please mike!

[@chrisohlsen8078]

Excellent

[@juliasimpson1759]

Great show guys. I saved it. ✌️💜

[@JellyBean-lo4sl]

Go after elites through the unions is a good start. Having a war with each other while they watch is just ridiculous.

[@jhpvids]

Fantastic discussion

[@wendywilson-fall3973]

Thank goodness mentioning economics at 18:00

[@thinkinginTx]

Does anyone ask what the public is discontented about? Wouldnt that help further flesh out what ideologies exist behind the populism?

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

Citizens United, gerrymandering, electoral college, filibuster elimination would help.

[@jacquelinepayne2012]

These professors admitted they do not understand why popularism is popular when worldwide political leaders are ignoring the real needs of the people and focussing on ideologies of dubious value. Maybe they should consult the man in the street and the growing numbers of homeless and working poor who cannot afford to live in a plutocracy.

[@Other3.5]

Great video. For the past 40 years, we have followed an extractive economic model (both parties), where money is literally taken out of the wallets of the middle and working classes and handed to the wealthy and corporations. Productivity gains once allocated to those who earned them (management and employees) are now taken by executives (their share and their employees' share). Tax cuts are not cuts, they are tax shifts where wealthy and corporate taxes are shifted to the middle and working classes in the form of higher taxes and less services. Then, as the wealthy inherit millions and executives loot their own companies (share buy backs etc), every one else is supposed to stand on their own two feet ("individual responsibility). Given that most Americans have been made to believe that they should be proud of the successes of the billionaires (while not knowing about their massive tax payer subsidies, risk being born by tax payers, and their basically looting the economy in a $6000 suit), Who do they blame for job insecurity, no money in the bank, etc? Either themselves or an "other." This is not hard. Perhaps those who struggle to figure this out are just not talking to the people they're trying to understand.

[@georgefordham417]

I know this. We need to be Talking about BUYING THE OIL COMPANIES PLEASE.

[@SantaCruz007]

We also need to change the US House, so there are four year terms off set every two years. This will help to prevent the obsession with fundraising and help to prevent midyear swings.

[@montanasoftware5954]

Thank you for talking about these important issues. I'm hopeful that if Donald Trump loses the vote in 2024 for a 3rd time in a row, maybe ... maybe ... the Republicans will finally be forced to start thinking about how they can grow and change into a party that deserves majority support in America. Right now, the Republicans are increasingly relying on non-democratic means to stay in power. If they continue to lose, they will be forced to sit down and figure out how to *earn* positions of power.

[@jannichi6431]

Like to see a renaming of the Party like Centerest (centered) Party. Today the Republicans have been captured by MAGA Trumpsters with Zero policy or platform only blame and grievance. Montana is interesting with what Happened post Cyber Ninjas rererecount of Maricopa county. Somehow voter paperwork got shipped up there. Any knowledge as to Why? Ted Cruz visited also. I'm sure tourism is big but you sure had a flux there 2018-2020. Just a layman's observation, Jerusalem and Big Bend, TX had peoples travel log too as a couple other examples pre COVID. Is Boseman where you would stay if going for the first time?

[@paulcastillo953]

WOW, let's do what's best for America's democracy let's give Americans peace of mind and not this chaotic situation. we want our Democracy.

[@jannichi6431]

Big Fan of Ranked Choice voting. We vote to often too. Once a year with a National Holiday with early voting sounds good too. Having 20% determine a party's nominee is not reflective of the public at large. No Primaries would be great in the far future.🤮too much money sloshing now🤮

[@judykinsman3258]

We’ve always been a diverse country. In many places blacks outnumbered whites. We also had indigenous people before us. The whites just refused to acknowledge the humanity of those others. Many still do!

[@locadisa]

Because it would then become a threat to their own dominant existence. They'd have to share their power and privileges.

[@SantaCruz007]

How do we change we continue to change the Constitution if we can't even pass the Equal Rights Amendment?

[@kattz753]

We appoint Supreme Court Justices to the age of 75 in Canada. Unfortunately, our Senators are appointed for life with no limit. We have a worse problem than you do in the US. Their relatives wheel them in on hospital beds to keep the big cheques rolling in. You have to show up a certain number of days per year. I have been writing members of Parliament asking for age limits and elected Senators my entire adult life. Looks like we can learn from each other here......

[@locadisa]

Elites have money. Money is what controls the whole system.

[@ericleavitt6615]

In the Electoral College debate, why do we not talk more about ending the cap on the House. The cap of 435 should be ended. That is a mistake.

[@rationalpear1816]

So if we keep the senate, could we instead limit its powers? Take it out of the legislative process. Let it oversee appointments, ratify treaties, provide oversight of the executive branch, etc.

[@Elizabeth-mp6tr]

Could the level of our education system be a problem?

[@THT01]

Yola Herr Steele.

[@t.seank.529]

The electoral college is bad, but going forward, population movements towards large centers (for jobs) will amplify the compromise given by the Founders for two Senators per state. Small rural states like Wyoming already have a huge advantage in their favor.

[@nonayoung8177]

and Wyoming doesn’t even know it. States like California are propping up states like Wyoming

[@anitabell-ck4cu]

Past the torch. As for Israel, and Ukraine the US should not fight others battles.

[@patg223]

THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED to provide a double-majority. Double-majority and multiple-majority systems mandate more widespread support for a candidate or measure than would be needed under an ordinary majority vote. Unfortunately, in the United States, it is possible to pass tax increases and other types of sweeping and costly legislation with nothing more than bare majorities from Congress which is itself largely a collection of millionaires with similar educations, backgrounds, and economic status. Even this low standard is not required in cases where the president rules via executive order with " a pen and ... a phone ." In response to this centralization of political power, the electoral college should be expanded to function as a veto on legislation, executive orders, and Supreme Court rulings.

[@HeidiSchwendeWSI]

It stems mostly from bigoted ideology and the under educated segment of the population. The more unsophisticated the deeper the bitterness.

[@locadisa]

PLAIN Fear,Greed,Jealousy and ignorance. Yet no one wants to clearly spell it out. Scholars and experts want to dance around all of it or make it sound pretty but it's dirty,must be fully exposed,approached and attacked.

[@kathleentrinity7367]

Maybe there is an anti-establishment mentality common in both extreme right and left populism. Otherwise the ideologies are very different.

[@justmyopinion9883]

We need to get rid of the Electoral College.

[@locadisa]

It's waste of entertaining the idea.

[@urkiddingme6254]

Would some of you brilliant people sometime write a book explaining why our justice system is so effing slow? None of the lawyers seem to have any answer except that's the way it is.

[@pjdaddio]

These issues are rooted in susceptibility and permission. When the populous is susceptible to adverse messaging often focusing upon their fears (i.e. other-ism and economic digression) and a demigod gives them permission to rage against his chosen targets, the cycle of feeds upon itself thereby giving the demigod more strength and further entrenching the base. This is exactly what happened in 1930's Germany. The Versailles Treaty left that population in economic squalor and when their leader gave them permission to be angry at others (the West for instance), he was then able to point their ire at his primary goal (the eradication of a cultural or ethnic segment of the population). We should be very concerned what history has taught us about reversing this trend. That is to say it often takes a war to reset the table. To reach that place however it often takes the ultimate sacrifice of the innocent.

[@jimjett9996]

The Electoral collage in my opinion is unnecessary, to many parts tend to break down with external pressures !

[@juliasimpson1759]

Hey, Michael. Why do you want to abolish the primaries? Hopefully I didn't mishear you. ✌️💜

[@elainemfrazier1496]

Practice saying pre and post emancipation. Then assess the roles of repression locally and corruption and favoritism locally. It is measurable. AND THEN look at voter participation. AFTER YOU CELEBRATE...how will you get people out to work WITH....EACH OTHER...OVERCOME THE FEAR GET TO ACTION😊

[@chelvinhall7697]

Only 3 people in the world..the doers of evil.. the ignorant and the doers of good..i..the the opper use the ignorant against upright..now there is information but not yet discernm discernment

[@mauricerobertson8211]

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BECOME 'A CULT OF PERSOINALITY FOR TRUMP!"... I'm voting democratic down the ticket! 🏳️‍🌈🔵🇺🇲/ Pennsylvania

[@patrickgilmore4602]

Steele. Your wrong on comparisons.

[@jacquelinebreslin1658]

The ability to primary them with MAGA makes them willing to get in line

[@oceanecastelnau9821]

Michael is statistically wrong about Sanders-Trump voters. The exact percentage iirc was less than 1.9%. I'm hoping Michael was being anecdotal on purpose 😬

[@Laura-LaFauve]

Yeah, that didn't seem real to me, although I don't know the numbers. It seems like one of those fibs like "Antifa is violent."

[@jannichi6431]

Or BLM was at Jan 6. The lies come from the Right, Michael.

[@lawrencebishton9071]

the dom in l8er

[@trishakoury-stoops2372]

Electrical college needs to go!

[@georgefordham417]

Here is an idea. BUY THE OIL COMPANIES.

[@urkiddingme6254]

and the pharmaceuticals if you're headed that way. and the gun manufacturers.

[@xochitlrowady4624]

I disagree you did not have any model to create the government. Many ideas were gathered from Native Americans and how they conducted themselves to govern self.. You knew what you did not want and got some ideas from Native Americans code of conduct towards self and community.

[@rfwilliams9]

Michael, why do you talk so much. Let the scholars talk. Your questions aren't clear and precise.

[@bartstarr100]

Prediction: Defendant J. Trump's grave will have a piss-guard.