Michelin Pilot Sport 4S vs PIlot Sport AllSeason 4 vs CrossClimate 2 vs X-Ice Snow! Tested and Rated

[@bence.gabor.slezak]

How the CrossClimate2 can be so good on snow and ice but still last as long as it does is mind-blowing.

[@tyrereviews]

Yeah that's mighty impressive for the US version!

[@occckid123]

@@tyrereviews I have 70k miles on my cross climate 2 with good tread left!

[@tyrereviews]

@@occckid123 Whattttt?! Do you only drive in straight lines at 40 mph?!

[@raftonpounder6696]

@@tyrereviews 😂

[@Brukers3]

Yeah but in dry and wet condition they are pretty crappy...

[@driverpsyche]

I have CC2's on my wife's SUV and we take that bulky monster into the snowy mountains every winter. Never an issue. Perfect all-weather tires for daily vehicle.

[@tyrereviews]

I use a CC2 on my wifes SUV as a winter tire in SLC :)

[@jessegriffith6401]

@@tyrereviews They don't make the OEM sizes of the CC2's for my BMW X5 M Sport. So either I go with skinner and taller tires or run the AS4's. I think I'll just do the AS4's since we only go to the snow a few times a year... thoughts?

[@monsaka7827]

@@jessegriffith6401 As a tire aficionado I can tell you id go with the taller narrower tire. Any traction on snow would actually be improved over standard width of even the same tire. Your mpg should go up especially through deeper snow. The taller tire itself also improves deeper snow traction. Now the cons. High speed performance handling will suffer assuming you drive fast, Of course dry braking and acceleration will also suffer. How much is impossible for me to guess and will probably depend on how much narrower and taller the tire is. I purposely did this by one size for my winter tires. They did great in the ice storm and I put in 12 hours of driving all over my area with them. I wasn't so keen on them at 70+mph as they were a little squirmy but where I needed them most they shined. My average freeway speed is 60-65 even if the speed limit is 70. MPG is a serious consideration and it drops off dramatically at the higher speeds.

[@circuitprogaming3652]

As someone who lives in Michigan, the Cross Climate 2 tires are absoutely fantastic. They give me good enough traction for my semi-sporty Fusion if I want/need to fly through corners and race while still providing excellent traction and being super safe in the Michigan winters which can drop a foot of snow in one day with no warning in October or November. While you do pay a premium, they are well worth it for a truly excellent all-weather tire. They also last in incredible amount of miles as well. I'm running around 25,000 miles currently and they still look nearly brand new in terms of tread wear.

[@flymachine014]

In my country we only get summer tires since it never snows, and still I watched the whole vid! The amount of time and effort it takes to do all testing is incredible

[@tyrereviews]

:D PS4S for you then!

[@milk-it]

Me, too! I leave the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres on my weekend car all year round, but having lived in Sweden and dealt with tyre changes, I still find this interesting!

[@Colorado_Native]

Just curious, where do you live?

[@flymachine014]

@@Colorado_Native Costa Rica, instead of snow we do get a very defined rainy season, I actually wanted the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 for my Civic Si but they were too expensive for my budget, settled for the Falken Azenis FK510 for the price to perfomance ratio

[@Colorado_Native]

@@flymachine014 Thanks for the reply. We bought my wife a Subaru Forester last year and it came with street tires, an all wheel drive car where we get snow (Pennsylvania) and they put lame tires on it. The first thing we did was put the Cross Climate 2s on it. They are great tires, good in the snow, good in the rain, quieter than what came on it with a better ride and handling. We had similar Michelins when we lived in Nova Scotia. Blessings.

[@bikebudha01]

So we had just put on the Michelin CrossClimate 2's onto our 2016 Subaru STI. Today was our first 'real' test. We had 7"-8" of unplowed snow on the way to work this morning. Tires were definately not 'on rails', but were super predictable, very stable, accelerated well, and braked extremely well. Thanks again for testing them (so many times), really happy with the tires.

[@kiefershanks4172]

Thank you for comparing the CrossClimate2s to X-Ice. I recently dumped my X-Ice on my Corolla in favour of running just CC2s (wider than stock) all year round suspecting the X-Ice were overkill for where I live. So far, I am extremely pleased with the CC2s. I think they are the perfect road tire for most vehicles. The ability to run only one set of tires all year is a huge advantage in of itself but the fact you get little compromise to performance is downright impressive. Gonna buy CC2s for my wife's car too when her X-Ices are a bit older. Given that I put wide CC2 on my Corolla (225/45-R17 mounted on light wheels), I actually don't notice a huge decrease in fuel economy. What I did notice was that they are exceptionally resistant to hydroplaning. So much so that you need to be careful around deep puddles at higher speeds because the tire will literally pump it's way through and slow you down a lot more than a standard all season with straight cut tread. I also think the CC2s look cool which is a bonus.

[@hks-lion]

Thanks for this review. I’m in U.K. with a Corolla and was wondering to get summer and winter tyres or only CC2s. Will get CC2s now

[@datathunderstorm]

Just had a pair of CrossClimate 2 tyres installed on our Toyota Yaris TR (2011) in the UK. Did my homework before I chose them; wanted the best urban performance tyre for the dry, wet and snow. We’re not the type of people who abuse their cars by racing them about. The difference, even installed on a compact Super mini like the 2011 Yaris TR is palpable - felt like a completely different car on the drive home - it previously had two non-matching super cheap budget “unknown” tyres on the front axle.

[@Propain4eva]

Did the same I traded in my Blizzaks to CC2's on my accord and they did better than I had hoped. Not as good as the Blizzaks in the worst conditions in Minnesota, but they pull through sufficiently I love em

[@lexwaldez]

With a new, young driver in the family I put Cross Climate 2's on all our cars, little AWD Honda CR-V's. We've driven them in the mountains, in blizzards, in pouring rain, snow, sleet, ice, heat... you name it. In the summer, on gravel, highway and interstate and the tires are always quiet and grippy. I mean these tires inspire confidence. That nightmare last year in Richmond, Virginia where motorists were trapped for over a day? Yup, we were headed back from a hospital in Norfolk and Garmin was blinking red warning us not to take 295 north or south on our way to Beckley, West Virginia (great Italian restaurant there btw). We ended up taking unplowed 64 straight thru Richmond and hitting unplowed 460 east to get out of the storm. Those tires made all that unplowed snow on the interstate feel like a puddle of rain. We made it to our hotel late that night and weer glad to have those new Michelin tires. Well worth the price I paid. Those are the best all season tires I have EVER run on a truck or car. Had a mechanic rotate the tires and put them on backwards once I think... that was funny. I wish I had more thumbs so I could give it a bigger thumbs up. If you ever find yourself in the shiite you'll be glad to have these tires. LOVE them.

[@tyrereviews]

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[@frijoli9579]

I love the Crossclimate 2's they are sporty enough for my WRX, and grip like hell in snow. Definitely the best all weather tire I have seen in my lifetime. AND 60k warranty!

[@Spilkyy]

I got a WRX recently. Have you tried All seasons? I want best traction for handling and seems All seasons are better and all weather CC are better for winter but less performance overall?

[@kelowna_bc]

Just got home to Kelowna, BC from Palm Desert, CA. Drove through numerous passes with some serious winter conditions. Compact snow and ice and some fresh snow going over the pass in BC. The climate 2s I installed on my 2020 Acura RDX performed unbelievably well. So Impressed with these tires!! Highly recommend.

[@guillermoislas8122]

Michelin CC2 on my LR4 275/50/20 absolutely the best! From Houston TX, to Colorado,Durango, Steamboat, Avon & Vail, 5 weeks of ski vacation and back, the drive is amazing always in control and very confident driving in all extreme weather conditions, they replaced Michelin AS4, and In the future when these set wears off only possible option to buy CC3 if that’s what they will develop..

[@HOLODECK_PSN_ID]

I tried my Porsche Roadster with AS4 in the Canadian winter just for fun and decided to put it back in storage pretty quickly lol

[@yanni2112]

I do my Crossfire the same! PS I just got the CC2 for my SUV

[@frogwithadog]

what you use in winter. I have a '16 m235i and wondering what summer/winter setup to run

[@coderc5753]

Why

[@coniccinoc]

I am having a set of Pilot All Season 4 installed tomorrow. Thank you for the review!

[@gdyment]

I used to use an ultra summer (and xice or blizzak in the winter) but had issues in the shoulder seasons. Sept/Oct or April/May it could be 25C+ and then snow for a day or two. So you either kept the winters on, or risked death with the summers. The AS4 gives up a fraction, but you know you won't fly off the road if there's a freak storm in Sept. That's going to be my "summer" tire from now on!

[@tyrereviews]

When you make the switch let me know how you find them. That's great logic for the purchase :)

[@monkiemurdie]

@@tyrereviews I watched Steve Sutcliffe new tyre channel (I suspect without mentioning you makes reference to you as "data driven approach") I am convinced Scotland needs performance all seasons for year round safety over summer tyres for year safety. From your videos and his. If any manufacturer brings uhp all season to market in eu please don't separate the all season test to all season touring and a all season uhp if you can. I like the first (probably only) company to bring uhp all season to Europe. To show up the all season tourings in your wet scoreing so hopefully more manufacturers bring uhp all season to our market. If it wasn't for your hard work I wouldn't be this clued up. Infact given your hankook runflat video AS kinergy I suspect for sporty feel on a all season the hierarchy would be UHP AS>touring rft AS (stiff side wall sharper turn in)> touring AS Ps why are kinergy 4s 2 rft so hard to find in UK... The reg version is ok Is that a suggestion for dropping in a line like "this is the sportiest tyre we can get in Europe unlike NA..." For next year's all seasons test. Yes yes it is! I am suggesting that for a future video.

[@tyrereviews]

@@monkiemurdie they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery :) I'm glad someone else is talking about tyres. Like most runflat tyres, they're only available in certain sizes in the range which means finding your size can be a bit hit and miss. I usually grade the best mild climate all season tyre in my tests, which a UHP all season would likely be.

[@stretch90]

I did exactly the same thing because of the seasons here but I decided to see how the AS4s would hold up in the first few snow storms. It did so much better than I expected that I didn't even bother getting snow tires last season and I was fine. I also have a AWD EV, so that definitely helps, but the tire is amazing.

[@biggranny000]

I have the same issue, really considering the all season 4 year round for my WRX, all of my other cars I ran both summer and winter. Because in Michigan sometimes winter can be really bad but can have random times of cold or snow in the spring or fall. And it was awkward trying to figure out whens the best time to change, because summer tires get hard when it's cold and lose grip even without snow, which has almost gotten me into an accident.

[@markpatterson3482]

I have a borderline unhealthy obsession with car tires and this channel is a great resource. Thank you so much for providing excellent reviews and data on one of the most critical components to a car's performance. I would love to see a comparison of all-weather tires in snow and ice conditions, specifically the new Pirelli WeatherActive to the CC2. It looks like the WeatherActive is Pirelli's answer to the CC2?

[@sphillyfanatic7451]

I have the same obsession

[@josephtucciarone6878]

Because of your tests: A few months ago I picked up my new Ford Maverick, FX4. The 1st thing I did was go to Costco, & install Cross Climate 2's. I sold the stock tires on Craig's List.

[@christopherjohnston6343]

Using an electric car actually makes the video so much clearer. Your audio is so good while not having to compete with the noise that the normal ICE cars make

[@lucasceleste4743]

Finally a purpose for EVs! 😭

[@AHavoc907]

I use the A/S4 as the summer tires on my Forester XT in Alaska. They work brilliantly well, and I don't have to worry about dying if I don't put my studded winter tires on before things get all snowy and icy. I loved this comparison video!

[@tyrereviews]

Good logic :)

[@dimmacommunication]

@@tyrereviews Here in Italy we rarely see snow , so for example I would never mount winter tires even in winter ,considering the amazing performance AS tires gets nowadays

[@tsugumorihoney2288]

why need to worry about dying when you can just stay at home or drive slowly?=) here in Finland we got sudden snow in May or even in June, so couple time i drove with my summer tyres, on snow, all you need to to drive slow and accurate, and yeah studded tyres rocks in winter

[@chrwood70]

Finally a test that has the AS4 with the 4s! Lets keep up the great testing with adding the AS tires to the performance test now that we have some data lets get the rest. Cheers!

[@tyrereviews]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@buster.keaton]

Thank you for the extensive review. It helped me feel even more justified in spending a bit more to put the CrossClimate 2 on my wife's Toyota Rav4 where winter safety is a much higher priority than summer performance... without having to have two sets of wheels.

[@ms-jl6dl]

But you'll still have to change CC2's lot earlier (they'll last only half as long). What is easier: changing wheels more often or changing tires more often?

[@ShuotongLi]

@@ms-jl6dl First of all, changing tire more often is always advisable as tire lose their traction due to age. For people driving less than 20000km a year, dedicated snow is a waste if weather permit using all weather tires. Tires older than 6 years old, while not posing any safety risk such as failure if vehicle is stored properly, can greatly suffer from performance degradation. And beside of that, changing tire every couple of years is also easier. No headaches for storing the wheel, no moving around of the wheel, and no extra cost to swap them twice a year. While tire rotation is no differ than swap tires in the sense of labour, tire swap was never offered as a free service like rotation. And keep in mind, you do have the initial overhead cost on mounting the second set of tire. In the case of all weather tire, this was spent only when the first set worn to 1.6mm (or 3mm if winter is coming).

[@lexwaldez]

You made a great choice if you decided to buy the Cross Climates. Makes you feel like you made your family safer.

[@HarryLyster]

Bought a set of Cross climate 2s when they launched based off previous good experience with the original cross climates and + model. Your initial review of them really sealed the deal as was about to replace with another set of Bridgestone summer touring tyres (came on new to us car). Feels very good after about a year of driving on them that i noticed the same things you mentioned in this video about slightly slow or vague turn in. Otherwise they haven't missed a beat and will more than likely be replaced with the same whenever they wear out, which looks like it could be a long time!

[@TheAgentAssassin]

I still have the original cross climate version 1 on my Saturn Vue. Really good tire You know the weird thing is they collect a ton of little pebbles in the grooves and these act as pseudo studs.

[@TinkerTry]

Great in the snow! Finally got to test them last week on some fresh snow. That said, here in the US at least, I've noticed a more dramatic impact on range in my Model 3 with the CrossClimate 2 than I did with the original CrossClimate+ that I managed to get 36,000 miles out of. The stated rolling resistance is lower (fell from 9 to 8), whatever that unit means. Anyhow, I'm now over 1,000 miles on them, and still seeing about 12 to 15% range reduction, which is quite noticeable for road trips at any speed. I may wind up putting them on our other around-town lower range EV where it matters less. What I'm getting at is Tyre Reviews is awesome, and I'm so glad to see comparative Rolling Resistance stats at this spot kzbin.info/www/bejne/amOUeZ6BabOkqdUm48s , which are found nowhere else! Now if only we had something like this in the US...

[@TheAgentAssassin]

@@TinkerTry If you're doing mostly highway. I would suggest a touring tire. Any high snow rated tire is gonna offer less range IMO. If you can find ethanol free gas around you, this may offset the loss in tire rollong resistance.

[@jimsgaragetoys]

@@TheAgentAssassin But ethanol free gas costs more so the differences in cost are minimal.

[@miata1370]

This review is absolutely spot-on. I have driven both the MPSS and PSAS4 tires...but given these test results, I'm opting for the CC2 for our new BMW x3 M40i to give us that extra needed snow/ice performance needed in our winter conditions. The o.e. tires while stated to be "all season" do not have the 3peak symbol and test reviews (Tire Rack) show them to be marginal in the snow and ice. Safety first ...our MINI Roadster loves the PSAS4..and they do quite well too on the autocross courses! Thanks much for making this review..very professionally done. I appreciate both the stats and your objective commentary.

[@mattw4211]

The AS4 Is the perfect Canadian summer tire in my opinion. It’s sporty and fun, but if you don’t get your winter tires on before the first snowfall, you’re not immediately dead haha. Plus, overnight low temps in the summer can be only 10°c where I am, and the AS4 Is well targeted for that temperature range

[@tyrereviews]

Can't argue with that logic really :)

[@mpershyn31]

It is perfect for Alberta where we can see -5 in the mountains and +25 in the city on the same day.

[@HumperMKB]

It’s an excellent choice Will switch to as4 after my as3+ I am debating aplin or xIce for the other set Or stay with the hakkapeliitta R

[@rcl998]

why not switching to CC2 then?

[@HumperMKB]

@@rcl998 cc2 is not enough performance for the snow and ice we get, and I want more for the wet during the summer. I also don’t mind storing and switching. I have cc on another vehicle, will be switching to cc2 on that one.

[@nafnaf0]

Thank you!!! I was one of those people that asked to compare the CrossClimate2. It looks like a real winner, and super impressive in the snow

[@Slowwagonftl]

I bought cross climate 2’s because of your previous videos. I can say, best all tires I’ve ever had. Most fun I’ve ever had in my life in the snow, pretty good in the rain and decent when it’s hot and dry on the backroads. Perfect all around tires. They’ve a little loud but that’s literally the only negative thing I can say about them. 11/10 would/will buy again

[@zeuszerp9376]

Any difference in mpgs?

[@zippodk]

Rumbling sound....

[@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow]

GREAT MASH-UP! I DON'T mean to complain, but an ice test is really needed if anyone is going to consider doing away with their dedicated winter tires. Where there is snow there is usually ice. As someone who owns the CrossClimate 2, I don't have any worries about the snow. The question, for myself, and others, would be: Is the CrossClimate any good in ICE?! I don't believe ANYONE has tested this yet -- you might be the first! How would the CrossClimate 2 stand up against a dedicated studless winter, like the X-ice? That's the REAL QUESTION, in my mind. But great work on this vid -- much appreciated!!

[@tyrereviews]

Agreed, I will try and do it next year.

[@BSSWolf]

@@tyrereviews Please do it as soon as possible!)

[@knightwolf200612]

Jonathan, what an incredible video again. You tell all car-guys exactly what we want to know about tyres! Your kind of testing, comparing, showing exact data, is so incredible and out of this world. For me you are THE standard of tyre testing. It would even be better if you can test the tyres always on the same brand/model vehicle, but I understand that's not always achievable because you have to travel the world for it. And also notable is the fact you DO travel the world for it, to test tyres in real world situations and any climate conditions. Only drawback of this video is you didn't test it on ice, which is also important for winter climates, I miss that a bit. Keep up the good work man! It's mainly because of YOU I bought CrossClimate+ 185/60 14" in fall last year and I'm still incredibly happy with it in the Netherlands! Great summer performance and still no worries about any winter conditions if they appear. And despite you don't test other tyres in this video, this video still confirms my choise of this tyre :)

[@tyrereviews]

Sadly I didn't get time to do ice, but you can be sure the X-Ice would be by far the best!

[@cassiohui]

@@tyrereviews would be interesting to know how much worse the crossclimate2 is compared to x ice, but yes brilliant video

[@PasDeMD]

I know it might have been hard to do, the only thing I would have wanted to see added to this video was grip performance in dry and cold weather. When I purchased my performance winter/snow tires, it was in large part based on cold handling characteristics since I only spend a minority of time handling on actual snow. It would be really interesting to see a comparison to an all-weather tire in those conditions.

[@matthewbrown7659]

Speed Academy did a dry track test a few years back of a Continental winter tire versus a performance all season tire in -15C / 5F weather. The all season tire outperformed the winter tire by a significant margin both in lap time and braking.

[@kenjikenjikenj]

​@@matthewbrown7659 I wonder if this was partially because the tires had time to heat up during track use? Anecdotally it checks out though, all-seasons have been doing fine for me as long as it's been dry. Wet/salty/cold was super slippery for me on AS but OK on winters, but I don't have any science to back it up

[@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews]

I have replaced my PSAS4's with CC2's. My PSAS4's returned, when new, 60' times of 1.86-1.87 very reliably. My CC2's are returning 1.89-1.91 very reliably. Handling is "softer all around" with the CC2's, but I don't feel they are sloppy or untoward even on a 600hp car. In the rain/wet weather, the PSAS4's returned 60' times in the high 1.9's and low 2.0's, the CC2's are returning 1.94-2.0. This surprised me. They are doing this even in 35*f weather. The PSAS4's lasted me roughly 19k miles until 4/32 tread depth and were an excellent tire. I'll see how these CC2's do.

[@yupyup4209]

How are the CC2s doing?

[@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews]

@@yupyup4209 I have about 8K miles on them. They are pulling 1.87-1.89 60' times in the dry, and around 2.0 in the wet. In the snow they pulled a 2.95, ROFL! Efficiency drop was 7.5% from the PSAS4's and Hankook ION AS SUV. Braking distance is about 35ft LESS than the PSAS4 in the rain, but 10ft MORE in the dry. Tread is down to 9/32 all around. Overall, I am absolutely pleased.

[@yupyup4209]

@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews That's awesome to hear, thank you for the update!!

[@MrVig]

As soon as I saw the concept of this channel, I felt almost In a dream and subbed

[@dmitryz7305]

The graph you show at 13:35 is extremely valuable. Thank you! I have the “Bridgestone Weather Control A005 Evo” here in Germany and I guess it’s similar to the “Michelin Crossclimate 2”. Even the thread pattern is similar. Great tire and perfect for all seasons. Had no problems in a huge Alpine snow blizzard with BMW xDrive. Drives normal in summer heat but obviously not a race car tire.

[@las3k91]

@EL JAY how they perform after these few years? I make 5-6kkm a year, so I won't tear them off quickly.

[@las3k91]

@EL JAY thank you for the info :)

[@calvinsc5105]

Right. It's a great graph.

[@964cuplove]

I had the cross climate 2 on my old Volvo V50 and its was perfectly fine through all year here in southern Germany. Would get it again anytime.

[@CobaltLobster]

Just put over a year on my CrossClimate2's. I have to say I'm rather impressed with them. I live in NH so I do inclines with snow ~25% of the year.

[@jaxonvictoria4345]

Is your car AWD or 2WD?

[@michaellourie4252]

the Pilot Sport 4S is the best summer tire I have ever used...ever!! superb handling, super grippy under braking, terrific cornering, etc. Perhaps a little less communicative at the steering wheel, but once you get used to it after testing, then you trust what you've got, and awesomenss ensues. I'd never spent $200 a tire before, but I must say it was well worth it. I am a very passionate driver and I absolutely love these tires!!!

[@maliknexus]

How is it in the snow ?

[@michaellourie4252]

@@maliknexus Is that a joke question?? You couldn't even dream of using these in the snow!! It would be a total disaster.

[@RJC-ps6wc]

@@maliknexus The PS4S tread gets hard as a rock when it's in the 20 degree F range. So they would be a disaster in the snow! They are the best summer tire I have ever used though and they are OK even in the 40s. Having said that, the CC2 does look like an impressive all around tire.

[@KBurd1]

I live in the snowy/Icy North of the U.S. not Alaska, and all I can say is I have the Cross Climate 2 for 2 years and this tire has performed better then any high end all season I've come across. This is currently my 2nd winter with these set of tires at 22k miles. I had the tires driving 50 miles on very big and loose gravel back roads for 1hr I swore the tire was going to pop but it performed well.

[@zachp5291]

I have the CC2s as well and the rocks get stuck in them like crazy. Love the way they perform though!

[@KBurd1]

@Zach P LOL, I'll be picking them off when I do a walk around of the car. It'll just be a few here and there for me.

[@TommyPanigale]

I've been using the CrossClimate2 on my Touareg and they're fantastic! Highly recommend.

[@romaingallard8385]

I totally get you when you wonder why UHP AS aren’t available in Europe! It would make so much sense! They are so good in dry/wet and are more than sufficient for the very occasional snow. I always smile when I hear my fellow French people saying they need snow tires for winters where they won’t even see snow!

[@LAndrewsChannel]

The reason is simple: US all-season tires do not have (or meet) the stricter 3-Peak Mountain Snowflake qualification that is required by law to have in winter in some EU countries so manufacturers make only all-season tires that conform with this qualification available for the EU market.

[@barzinimongo]

But when you live in nothern Scandinavia so called all weather/all season tires are kinda laughed at, they are pretty useless.

[@ejford5083]

I’m on Cross Climate 2s with an 18’ Audi Q5. Installed at 40K now 102K with 3/8 left. 75% highway 25% city. Best all around SUV tire I’ve owned. Much quieter than stock tire.

[@ImGonnWreckIt]

What was your stock tire? I have a 19’ Q5 with Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. Im considering the Crossclimate2

[@goaski474]

Spot on review! I was swapping the Sport 4s with X-ice seasonally on my RS5. After retiring, had no need for the X-ice, sold them with the rims and went to the AllSeason 4 full time. Love them, never going back. Thanks for all your work, unbiased and practical advice!

[@MBZ-Nation]

I just Love Michelin tires! I have the CrossClimate 2 on my car and am very happy with them. It's nice to have a set of tires that feel so competent in snow, but also doesn't ruin the ride during normal road driving. I've never owned the Pilot Sport 4S, but did have the 3S+, and they were great as well!

[@emmamitchell1582]

I would have liked to see cold dry and cold wet testing to prove the EU all season being better than winter tires in mild climates without snow. Great test, thanks!

[@knightwolf200612]

That's more of a comparison between temperatures for 1 tyre then different tyres. But true that's interesting information and I'm sure Jonathan tries to do such testing. Btw I can remember one of his video's in which he test such things in a indoors temperature-controlled environment, you might try to find that video :) I think this is it kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHzXn5awoJ2Ars0

[@tyrereviews]

I tested as late as I possibly could this year to try and get colder conditions but sadly we were all having a heatwave :(

[@Doc1855]

We have Michelin Cross Climate tires on both our Outback and Forester. They’re Great in all road conditions, including our very snowy winter roads. We’re very impressed with the Cross Climate 2 tires.

[@lancepayne7528]

I put CC2 on my wife's Murano last year, awesome snow tires that ride very nice In the summer, now that I have my Q7 I'm thinking I may get the CC2 for the Audi, perfect tire for living in Colorado. Thank you very much for this review!!

[@tyrereviews]

I have the CC2 in SLC as a winter tyre

[@Thanoz.]

Colorado is what I needed to hear. Bipolar weather it might snow for 5 hours then turns 60°same day. I'm getting Cc2

[@ScottieWP09]

Cross Climate 2 is the perfect tire for me in southern New Hampshire. I also have a Tesla Model 3 RWD and never have issues going to ski or getting around town. It really is amazing what they packed into it and with such a good treadlife warranty.

[@ouch1011]

I’ve used a set of PSAS3 and AS4 in the past. For NW Oregon, they are legitimately an all year tire. We rarely see more than a few days of snow and usually only see occasional ice overnight when very few people are driving. Because my partner and I both have jobs were we must be at work, regardless of weather, and we have to commute 40 miles one way to get there, we both have dedicated winter tires. If we both worked in town and could call out on a particularly bad weather day, the PSAS4 would work for us year-round. I prefer it over the Crossclimate because, even for a sporty car, there is very little gap between the PSAS4 and a dedicated summer tire when daily driving in the wet and dry, and it’s usable to get you home relatively safely in a surprise snow fall. The Crossclimate2 loses a lot more traction and driving fun in the wet and dry vs a summer tire, so the trade off for better snow and ice traction just isn’t worth it for us (especially when we have winter tires).

[@tyrereviews]

Get some reviews on www.tire-reviews.com :)

[@CmanCorporations]

Would you consider doing the AS4 for your summer tire and then the CC2 for your winter tire since you're in PNW? It seems the CC2 has better wet/dry performance than a full winter tire and since you don't get that much snow, would the CC2 be the better trade off?

[@JerryChanD]

Around a year ago in 2021, when I got a Nissan small hatchback FWD car, I studied a bit about what tyres can handle most terrain in the south of the UK as I always do in London, after a week I got all 4 cross climate plus for my car. In 2022 summer the tyres perform great in heatwaves all the time and in very bad rains a bit later in the fall of 2022. Just last Sunday London got heavy snow and the whole city was stranded. But a little silver Nissan hatchback still had its full control in the snow and icy road. I pick up 2 colleagues up and down and drop off at their homes at around 1:30 am, then made my way back home safely avoiding the A406 as all cars were blocked there. That happy hatchback driver in the whole night of snow outperforms 100% of sports cars because of these brilliant all-season tyres, with a 1.2-litre small hatchback. And I am that driver. Great job Michelin!

[@naturevalleygranola]

We’ve got the AS4 on our higher performance vehicle and the CC2 on our little CVT car all year round in Vancouver thanks to this channel.

[@tyrereviews]

How do you find the AS4 in the deepest of winter?

[@anthonyc8499]

@@tyrereviews @naturevalleygranola do the AS4s handle the Sea to Sky Highway just fine up to Whistler or the access road to Cypress ski resort in the winter?

[@martinchambers1925]

@@anthonyc8499 Winter-rated tires are legally required on the Sea to Sky Highway and Cypress Bowl Road in winter. All weather tires like the CC2 are winter-rated. All season tires like the AS4 are not. Winter-rated tires have the Mountain Snowflake Symbol on the sidewall.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@martinchambers1925 good to know. The mountain highways in a lot of US states are generally unrestricted unless otherwise posted due to wintery conditions.

[@naturevalleygranola]

@@tyrereviews we have very mild winters in Vancouver (not all that different from London), so I've only had it out in the snow once, and it was just 1-2mm. If we're driving up into the mountains we just run the CC2 car. I'll report back if we get stuck in a blizzard in the AS4 though!

[@gwcrispi]

I'm glad you spend so much time on Michelin tires. That's all I buy for my passenger vehicles. Shame I can't get the AS4, CC2 or the Defender2 for my wife's GLE.

[@fabjan86]

We want AS4 in EU! great video as allways. Tina Turner would say simply the best.

[@lewisg1736]

We have CC 2s on our Kona. They’re great in dry, wet, snow, and ice. They also wear well. Technology is close to magic.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

I have been telling people in the US to get CrossClimate 2s if you cannot/will not buy 2 sets of tires for winter and summer; and it looks like I've been right. My town does get a lot of snow, but in a country with awful public transportation, and millions who can only afford 1 set of tires - spending that extra money on the CrossClimates will be the best way to ensure you're as safe as possible in the snow.

[@mylesgray3470]

Put these on my wife’s car and they are awesome. If we get a freak snow storm in October, no worries, the tires are on and ready to work while I’m frantically installing my winter tires in the garage.

[@megapet777]

yea it seems to be the perfect compromise. It's really impressive tire for what it is. Considering it has adequate performance in hot summer days and snowy winter days. That's not something easy to achieve.

[@darrell9616]

Thanks! Extremely valuable content.

[@tyrereviews]

Very kind of you, thank you!

[@JohnPMiller]

I won't need new tires for at least a few years, but I enjoy watching your thorough reviews. Thanks!

[@tyrereviews]

Glad you enjoy them!

[@andrewrudlang2785]

We just put a set of CrossClimate2 on our 2020 Cherokee in 235/50R19, I see right off the bat the slight delay in steering and sportiness perhaps but it feels evenly traded with a soft, quiet ride (even at a firm 38 PSI cold) and we tour the country with this car so the ride quality is much appreciated. No data on fuel economy yet for us. We live in northern Minnesota well outside of the major cities we are looking forward to having appreciable grip in the snow and ice without running a dedicated snow tire this winter.

[@michaelschneider-]

... This dude's tire test series is the very best. .. Informative & entertaining. .. Can't beat that! .. Subscribed years ago.. +1.. Full disclosure: .. Our household is a big-time Michelin user/fan having experienced the Michelin PS2 225/40/17 with my 1998 Carrera S (993) for more than two decades. .. With our new 2023 MB E450 Wagon (USA). Had the delivering MB dealership ditch the Conti Run Flats before delivery @11 miles. . Fitting Michelin 245/45/19 X-Ice snows for the NJ to Vail, CO road trip. .. For the Vail, Colorado spring & summer months, I'd go with the Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4, also in OEM size 245/45/19 ... @ Costco for $285. ea .. Agreed, the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is a killer summer tire.... the 4S wear metric of 20K miles kills me. .. Taking a flier on the PS A/S 4 for superior drive character & decent wear character at realistic 25K to 30K miles

[@kylemlm]

Just bought my 80 year old mother new 23 Crosstrek Sport & swap out tires w /Cross Climate 2, did this before we pick up the car. My mother understood since her Dad was a tire dealer.

[@stevend3753]

WHAAAAAAAT?!? ANOTHER VIDEO?? Yesssss!

[@tyrereviews]

Two in a month, crazy right!

[@davidjohnston3044]

I had Pirelli all season tires on my GLS 450 and just was not happen with how they handled in snow so in Sept 2022 I stuck on four Michelin Crossclimate 2 tires. Then in early December I drove from South Dakota to Idaho and then came back. As I was coming back I hit that monster storm that shut down the interstate across all of South Dakota. I had to drive for a while to get to an exit. Going 10 mph, following a semi truck. Horrible wind, could not see. But the car was as steady as a rock, even when I hit snow drifts. At one point the snow got about three feet deep. I hit the air suspension and raised the car about three inches, switched the transmission to "slippery" and I was able to plow thru the snow drifts. I got off the freeway as soon as I could and stayed in a hotel for two nights. I highly recommend these tires.

[@kylepetersen1915]

This is exactly the tire video I was looking for! Thanks for making this at the perfect time! :) I'd also be interested to see how the performance of this bunch changes when the tires have worn down some. Currently run AS3+ and was surprised at my first experience with snow how easily it could kick out but mine are worn to about 5/32nds I'm sure at full tread it would have been better. Considering the Cross Climate 2 for more peace of mind in snow next time around. P.S. - just watched your next video you made after this and that answered my exact question lol CrossClimate2 it is! Round of applause for the best tire content on KZbin! Keep it up!

[@eeldude]

I have the CrossClimate 2 on my Mazda3 AWD and my CR-V. I have been very impressed! Thanks for doing this test for real data and validating my choice.

[@robertschwartz1337]

I just purchased the CC2’s in June and immediately lost between 2-3 MPG on my TDI Passat. A week ago I switched to my X-Ice winter tires and gained them all back again. Prior to the switch I was running Pirelli Cinturato all season tires. I wish I would have gone to just about any other quality tire.

[@MikeTaffet]

I used to live on the East coast of USA in NY where we get real winters and it makes sense to have dedicated winter tires. I now live in California where it doesn’t make sense to have dedicated winter tires, but I need something that can handle snow for when I head into the mountains for snowboarding. The Cross Climate 2 has been incredible for my needs

[@addison8830]

Love how quickly you do your comparisons! I feel like the convenience of having one set of tires for is worth the difference to the X-Ice3, especially having had the X-Ice3 for 4 years. Either way, your comparisons, both subjective and objective, were so informative!

[@Sijray21]

The CC2s did so well for us in the snow with our model y long range. Not a true winter, but damn near close. Excellent tread wear, too. A great mid Atlantic winter tire set. I still prefer a quieter, lower rolling resistance high performance all season.

[@winstonw5273]

I would say AS4 is all season for California. Crossclimate 2 is all season for New York city

[@ron6126]

I have had the crossclimate 2(s) about 3 weeks. So far so good. They stop quicker/shorter distance. They do not spin when I peel out like the Michelin pilots did. They were decent on wet payment no spinning. I will post more once I make it through the snow and more wet weather.

[@haileybenson9714]

Testing the the snow is SO pretty, but 🥶🥶 I love the CC2’s on my suv, I watch people slide around in snowy weather while I can get where I need to go!

[@basilbcf]

I have the Cross Climate 2 on my Kia Telluride and so far have been extremely happy with them in all conditions.

[@Kim.Kaland]

Even where i live in Norway (at the coast) i would love to have the Pilot Sport AllSeason 4 as my winter tyre, most of the driving in the winter is in wet conditions.

[@tyrereviews]

Nice

[@jw8578]

Cross climate 2 on my car last winter. Great snow and ice traction, quiet, and smooth.

[@hcwbw3]

Thanks, great vid. Logically by name and category that the manufacture provides, you kind of know where you stand, that said you work is fantastic. Your excellent work provides a direct visual and numerical (intellectual) comparison that is crystal clear. Being able to see the actual performance not trying to extrapolate from number and or descriptions is priceless. I chose the Pilot Sport all season 4 for my 2014 MX5, I am not going to track as that would require modification like expensive roll bar (it's a hard top convertible), but being that it had a 50/50 weight balance the 4S makes driving very rewarding. Living in North West Florida, no snow, with a few days of sub zero, occ light frost on bridges etc. the 4S is nice to have. Plus being 5 to 6 hours from the foothills and Blueridge and Smoky mountains it is excellent to have. You never know, I have been caught in the snow in April in the Blueridge mountains and the wrong tire in that instance is not a good place to be. Thanks again, I am one of those who requested this after seeing your snow review and your thorough, systematic, first hand, visual data is 1000% on point. Cheers.

[@tyrereviews]

Get some reviews on www.tire-reviews.com :) sounds like you like tires

[@ElyciusM]

I recommend the cross climate 2's to absolutely everyone in my area with standard commuter cars. The region I live in is absolutely perfect for those tires. It gets very cold, but we don't typically get quite as bad snow as we did 20 years ago. But we also get hot summers. So if you can't afford dedicated sets, that's the clear option for a set of tires. Plus you get great life out of them. Personally, I had all season 4's on my previous s4, and I absolutely loved them as well. INFINITELY better than the bridgestones potenza RE980AS+ it had when I bought it, and they were brand new when I got the car.

[@Lenoch_]

This man is not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.

[@MrPepelongstockings]

Buy the Crossclimate 2's. You will LOVE them. They do not perform well on ice - nothing does without chains or being ice tires. Fantastic on snow, absolutely unparalleled in rain and especially in heavy storms, a bit louder on the highway but the same around 30. Worse on cornering or performance driving. They do pick up a ton of rocks, my car wash is able to knock them out well and isn't a big issue. Worse mpg but only by a little. Payoffs are so worth it, so happy with mine, total convert for life.

[@wayditay9288]

Just the info I've been after -- real world testing. I'm now thinking the CC2 are overkill for our mild winter driving and for summer. Wondering if Michelin Defender 2 would be a better fit for PNW driving -- they are suppose to be quieter too, especially on a luxury SUV.

[@dwightlooi]

I had been using Max Performance Summers my whole life until recently when I realized that the Pilot Sport AS 4 is almost as good, wouldn't leave you in a bind on a skii trip and last almost twice as long. I have it now on the S8 in 275/35 R21 size. There aren;t many AS choices, but I am glad the PS AS 4 is one of them.

[@WiseMusicOnline]

Looking for all seasons for my A8. So far seems like the AS4 is a great choice

[@kevinm594]

I have been waiting for these exact tires and this exact test! Excellent!

[@tyrereviews]

Hope you enjoyed it :)

[@roccosperanza]

Oh man oh man oh man, I've been waiting for this!!! And they are on a TESLA! I have PSAS4 on my Model 3 and was looking at ICEX to replace my Winter tires.

[@tyrereviews]

They'd be my choice given the RR levels

[@daniel635biturbo]

Another great video ! Being from Sweden, having used Nordic winter tyres for 25 years, the combination of soft rubber and very low tread wear never seizes to amaze me ! I usually run two sets of summer tyres to one set of winters, then it's probably time to change car 😅

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

Thank you. This summary was surprisingly helpful.

[@michelb613]

Thank you very much for all the info. One thing I would have liked to see was was dry / wet braking & handling numbers at cooler temperatures (e.g. -5C to 5C) (You often hear that winter tires have a significant advantage in cooler temps so I would have been curious to see how the PS AS4 and the CrossClimate 2 would have fared against the X-Ice Snow in cold but clear roads).

[@ms-jl6dl]

Poorly. He's done those exact tests before.

[@rekaksky]

Not as I expected, but I'm convinced. CrossClimate2 ftw.

[@ftb2772]

Running CrossClimate2’s EU spec on honda Jazz (honda fit). Massive upgrade from previous summer tyres in the wet/heavy down pours. I live in the country side where theres often mud on the road and in winter the roads are not gritted. Looking forward to see how cc2’s perform in the snow. I fitted the tyres after running off the road last year after snap snow fall one afternoon. Im not breaking any land speed records in the jazz so the cc2’s are more than capable for my driving.

[@Matty_Champwhite]

Any feedback on these on your hatch a year on? I’ve just ordered 4 and can’t wait to get them on

[@mysteriousguy019]

Going on 1.5 year with All-Season 4, they are extremely gripy, smooth, and quiet for daylie. A must try and have!

[@Ficon]

Yes, the definitive test! Thank you. If you get a chance to test CC2s on ice compared to X-Ice Snows, that would be a cherry on top. I imagine Denver is similar to SLC in a lot of cold dry driving and occasional heavy snow and ice so CC2s that do not completely compromise dry traction are a win.

[@tyrereviews]

I put the CC2 on my wifes SUV here

[@Auris58]

We have Cross Climate 2 the performance of them in the snow is outstanding

[@Anthony1337]

Such a great video and excellent commentary. This is literally exactly the video I wanted to see. I’m a Michelin fan and love all they have to offer, and I prefer an EV so this is awesome information! Couldn’t ask for anything better!!!! Thank you!!!

[@toddwmac]

Been a Pilot driver for years but must say the Defender is also a great winter tire.

[@jmblur]

Now I'm curious how the Alpin 5 fits in here! Agree with the conclusions here, I have PS4S and Alpin 5 for my Golf R (and a set of rt660s), wife's outback runs Cross climate 2s and WS80s although thinking I shouldn't have spent the money in those winter tires for her car now.

[@tyrereviews]

Alpin range sits between the CC2 and X-Ice Snow. I guess I need another video in the future :)

[@cassiohui]

@@tyrereviews if you can have videos of the whole range of tyres per manufacturer that would be wicked!

[@libradrag0n]

I have the Alpin 4 and think they're horrible. Noise, vibration, and poor wet traction. I wonder how the Alpin 5 performs, but I am planning on going back to Nokians as they are flat out amazing.

[@ursula662]

Getting my first car at 37, wife and I have decided a compact MPV like a note or a Meriva are the way ahead. As an engineer videos like this are great and it looks like CC2s are a great and safe choice for a car I’ll be trusting with my family, thanks for what you do!

[@ronaldaja341]

Being in my first car (econobox hatchback) I chose CC2s as they just give me the confidence all year round in the UK but looking ahead I want to get something sportier and it stumps me how Michelin doesn’t have PSA/S4 in the UK/EU market!!!

[@TheKimchipower79]

Great review! Thanks for your in depth research. Greatly helps me in making my next purchase, CC2

[@directreply350]

I put the Cross Climate 2 on my car a year ago and I’m blown away at what this tyre is capable of. I don’t know why any other tyre exists. The wet/dry grip is unreal, quiet and long lasting with great snow traction. Literally not a single compromise

[@mylesgray3470]

According to one of the other videos, it falls behind on wet, particularly wet braking but still decent there so unless you live in Seattle or the sunbelt, this is the best tire. I’m happy with mine after 1 year in Salt Lake City.

[@brentonharvey2404]

LOVE YOUR REVIEW! LOVE THE MICHELIN PILOT SPORT AS 4'S Cotinental Pro Sport Contact tires came OEM on 2015 VW 1.8T Jetta Sport. Excellent, responsive, comfortable handling road tripping 24K miles all over Western/Southwestern US for 6 months. Arrived in Denver, got stuck in front yard in light snow. Fitted Michelin Premiere All Season Touring tires, excellent in snow, less responsive handling with a bit harder and certainly louder ride than Continentals. Switched out these winter/summer tires for 5 years , went through second set of Premieres. Just went to using one AS tire. Fitted Continental top AS tires, drove around city and nearby canyons for a week, comfortable ride, but without much road feel, even in a Jetta Sport with wide track/low profile tires and stiff 5.75 inch springs. Headed up to mountains, loaded with 180 pounds of camping gear (perfectly distrubited). Absolutely Pathetic: Tires "floating" all over the road, and suddently "grabbing and darting diagonally" without notice, at any tire pressure. Never even got up past canyons into the snow (which they are highly rated for). Turned around, drove directly back into city to return tires. Fitted Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4's (Premieres have been discontinued, Cross Climate 2's quite a bit more money but with longer tread life). Incredible upgrade for just a few more bucks. Excellent; sporty, precise, predictable handling in canyons, very comfortable, quiet ride. Full ABS Braking on city ice pack very good, nearly as good as Premieres. Just returned from Keystone Ski Resort, via Arapaho Pass, lots of fresh powder, snow pack, some ice, with a little slippage, but still very predictable, plowed forward on inclines - No Problem! With 128K miles in the rearview, looking forward to the next 128K AS 4 Michelins year round into the future!

[@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO]

Great detailed video as usual. The UHP All Season did what it does. Looking for the Pilot Sport 4+ or 5 to be launched soon. I only use Michelins. From their most expensive dry weather tyres/tires to their All Seasons. (Despite their years ago problems with wear. They know, getting 20K miles out of a 40-50K rated tyre/tire) They have somewhat corrected this recently. I know this is a Michelin facility commercial video. A Premier LTX lasting 20,000 miles with a 60,000 mile warranty was unacceptable. Many had this problem.

[@PastPresentFuture360]

Living in Minnesota, I’ve had multiple sets of All-Weather tires: - BMW 328xi: WRG3 - Honda Pilot AWD: WRG2, WRG3, CC, Nomad Grappler The WRG2 was surprisingly cushy. The rest have harder, harsher rides than say a Conti ProContact. The CC handles better than all the rest. The Nomad Grappler has nearly as good handling, with slightly better ride quality, and off-road grip. In terms of Winter traction, using the Pilot for consistency’s sake, I would rank these as follows: 1. WRG2 2. CC/NG (tie) 3. WRG3

[@HallKevinA]

Would love to see a comparison on the Pilot 4S vs the AS4 in dry/ wet handling at temperatures below 45 degrees without snow. I generally switch out PS4S for AS4 in the winter in North Carolina because for a couple of months out of the year with often have temps below 40F and occasional snows BTW this channel is awesome. Potentially life saving information you are sharing with us!

[@tyrereviews]

It's hard to control the weather but i'll keep trying!

[@seattleraf]

Agreed I’d also like to see comparison of Pilot 4S vs some good all season tires in colder temps but without snow. Between 30-45 would be good

[@dollars_rd1073]

@@tyrereviews would you recommend the AS4 for a Camaro Zl1 in Pennsylvania?

[@Shiftheads]

@@dollars_rd1073 I think they would be okay but I'd rather have dedicated winter tire so then a ps4s for summer instead

[@garagecedric]

@@tyrereviews would be very interesting, i live in a snowy country and in the end of then summer tyre season its very noticeable that sporty tyres gets quite crappy at a few Celsius, esp when wet.

[@iowa_don]

Well, I'm super happy I have the Pilot Sport AllSeason 4 on my Model S!! Thanks!

[@johnhufnagel]

2 minutes in and I gotta say, who the hell would have thought a Tesla Model 3 would look like it's a blast to toss around a snowy track like that? That looks like it was a lot of fun! and used winter tires would be great fun on a track day if you want to focus on crossed up car control.

[@knightwolf200612]

That's not because of Tesla, that's because of 100% RWD :) you can do that with any RWD car haha. But true to say that this Tesla doesn't seem boring. Still I prefer petrol engines :)

[@tyrereviews]

The Tesla is only 100% rwd until you're straight then it goes full AWD, but yeah they've done a really great job on the Model 3 Perf.

[@DashCamSerbia]

It is still white goods on wheels.

[@grippgoat]

Thank you so much for this test. I live in the Pacific Northwest where we get a lot of cold and wet, and rarely get real snow. I've been running Pilot Sport A/S for like 10 years. After grinding ABS down my steep driveway in our one real snow last year, I want something better in real snow and slush, and then a proper summer tire for dry/wet/track. But I don't want a full studless ice and snow because of how bad they are in dry and wet. It seems like the cross climate is what I need.

[@jaxonvictoria4345]

I’m in southcentral Oregon east of the Cascades and we do get plenty of snow (and we have a steep driveway too), I run my VW GTI with Bridgestone Blizzak and it has probably saved my butt half a dozen times in the 1000 miles I’ve been using it. I’m seeing a lot of crossovers and SUVs here on CrossClimate 2 and I’m also considering a set for my wife’s VW Atlas. I would have gotten the X-Ice because I’m partial to Michelins but I got an almost 50% off deal on the Blizzaks.

[@klause.9182]

I have the CC2 new on it. They have so much more grip in the wet than my old ones. Those were CC1. They were now 4 years and 44,000 km old. New tires are like a new life. It's just the only thing that connects you to the road.

[@kenzohkw]

Did you notice that as the CC1 aged they got worse and worse in the wet?

[@klause.9182]

@@kenzohkw Aquaplaning was never an issue, but wet grip has deteriorated significantly with age.

[@kenzohkw]

@@klause.9182 yeah aquaplaning is not an issue, once the tyre gets to about 2 years old the rubber seems to lose wet grip. Mine are around 4 years old and just over half worn.

[@klause.9182]

@@kenzohkw Yes, that's how I experienced it too. The tread depth was still ok, but the grip in the wet was really bad. Maybe the rubber compound is a bit too hard.

[@anna4023]

I just got the cross climate 2s,simply amazing. Thank you for the video