Microsoft ATTACKS Apple's M3 with X Elite - Will they WIN?!

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[@MaxTechOfficial]

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[@Emissary52]

Intel made a deal with Microsoft a few weeks back to produce ARM chips for Windows. Intel, in a few years will be making chips for Nvidia as well. I hope China doesn't take over Taiwan in the next couple of years. No more M3 chips!

[@doctorkj5640]

We are at the brink of the new silicon war. Instead Intel vs Amd now we have Apple vs Qualcomm.

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

nono, Apple will always be fine. it's INTEL, AMD , NVIDIA vs ARM, and we all know how it will end. they are literally dead

[@jinraigami3349]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl They won't be dead any time soon. At least for the gaming and 3D industry will keep them alive.

[@doctorkj5640]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl hey john appleseed is that you ? 🙂

[@sageata2002]

Apple chips are TSMC, fyi.

[@stranger975]

Just the fact that the industry is chasing Apple to catch up to their chip performance just shows how drastically the industry has shifted. Not long ago no one expected Apple Macs to have industry leading chips powering them, now it’s a given.

[@DannyTan-dm5ou]

That's because Apple was using Intel's chips until said "not long ago" lol. In order to make the margin that Apple needed to make, they could not afford to use top of the line Intel chips (which are power guzzlers as well) This is what happens when a company like Intel forgets that the chip industry is very unforgiving

[@Freshbott2]

@@DannyTan-dm5ouoff the shelf chips are cheap yet Apple was charging outrageous money for okayish Intel CPU upgrades, and the RnD + exclusivity on new processors + process nodes is expensive. I don’t know whether Apple is saving margins on having their own silicon but it seems unlikely. Really I think it’s all about product cycle and semi customisation and not about cost. Macs have gotten more expensive so Apple is probably trying to maintain their already very high margins by bumping the price.

[@Belaziraf]

@@Freshbott2 ARM CPU are cheaper to produce. But the continuous rise in price is about luxury mindset. Apple is a semi luxury company. Offering less and taking more margins though, than luxury. They will keep raising the prices until they reach the limit of consumers. Right to repair is not a thing as apple literally rob the client from ownership. But except in the largest market dominance that is the US, only a minority of Apple owner are happy with its control. Most of the positive things the company offer date back to Jobs. Most of the worst started from Cook. So a hefty part of the raise in price should be for his salary. That's how extreme capitalism works. The more you abuse a customer and make it happy to be abused, the better you get paid. Now the war on ARM based machine is far fetch. I see many issues with Windows on ARM unless they do make great investments to solve them. But most customers will be linux users. A machine made for windows will work very well with linux distros. With more hardware flexibility than Apple devices. What I see is MS vs Apple hardware wise, but OS wise, it would be a 3 way war.

[@rg975]

ARM chips are about to get insanely powerful… can’t wait!

[@Techonsapevole]

Snapdragon X Elite on Linux will be a game changer..

[@shadowangel8005]

Yes, we only need the drivers. There is plenty of native ARM apps

[@not_amanullah]

Yes

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

For crashes and BSODs 😆

[@MateuszAdamczyk]

@@louiswilliamterminator2887BSOD is Windows specific and they will stay for good with Windows 😂

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

Should be relatively simple to compile, as WSL is there already....

[@grzymsiu]

Outside of apple ecosystem my dream is Thinkpad with ARM and linux. Best keyboard on laptop and much more battery life than on windows

[@ukyo6195]

Träum weiter 😂

[@jinraigami3349]

Same, but Lenovo kinda ruin Thinkpad quality.

[@uriahgardner5977]

🤣

[@MarsorryIckuatuna]

Why would Microsoft need to ‘beat’ Apple? It’s not like many Mac user will suddenly change to Windows, regardless of its performance. Last I checked, it’s Apple that’s still chasing Microsoft’s market share with performance, novel features and eco-system stuff…

[@username7763]

A lot of companies have made the mistake of copying Apple. Thinking that something that works for Apple will work for them. It is the "safe" choice. Something that is easy to defend. The thing is, a lot of what Apple does is either bad, or just not for everyone. Those who want an Apple will buy it and not a Microsoft knockoff. The computer industry needs more companies doing their own thing.

[@trumpalumpa9368]

Not everyone is a diehard apple fan. There‘s a lot of reasons why someone might consider a future arm surface over a macbook - for example pencil support and an actual full OS experience instead of having to buy two devices at 1.5k each minimum.

[@JamesJones-zt2yx]

For some, it's not enough that they win; everyone else must lose.

[@MarsorryIckuatuna]

@@trumpalumpa9368 Fair enough, but then just DO THAT! You’re making my point. It shouldn’t have to be that it must destroy Apple “and Win!”? Should that be the focus? 🤷‍♂️

[@uriahgardner5977]

It isn't Microsoft market share, it's Windows market share. Microsoft's Surface line up does't come close to Apple in this regard, Windows, and the productivity apps are the their bread and butter. The Apple ecosystem, Mac OS, iOS etc. along with build quality, and near seamless integration is what Microsoft is chasing. Are you referring to unmatched memory management as one of those "novel" features?

[@EyesOfByes]

I'd buy SPD X Elite for one reason: My Google Play Games, plus Brutal Doom running on ARM native GZDoom. Fastest Android device, outside Ampere CPU

[@movdqa]

Microsoft has tons more legacy software to bring over to 64 bit and ARM so I expect more resistance to vendors porting and maintaining so many ports for their software. In some cases, it might not even be possible to port. I've been using Windows 11 ARM on Apple Silicon for quite a while and there are limitations to it as in programs that just won't run on it. Another aspect on ARM (that also exists on Apple Silicon) is how good is it for gaming. The jury is still out on that. Apple also builds their own transistor special sauce for particular operations that they need to or want to accelerate. That's harder to do with a general-purpose CPU and that's one of the benefits of vertical integration. So I'm fairly skeptical of Qualcomm - if they want to show their stuff, release systems to reviewers to test.

[@inshal6420]

Apple also has the benefit of saying “This is how things are now. Deal with it.” While with Microsoft manufactures will keep making X86 machines because the general consumer doesn’t want to deal with the switch. There won’t be the same sense of urgency for software devs to update their stuff.

[@SirusStarTV]

Adding common video editing operations into SoC of mac book that a lot people use for video editing is smart.

[@megapipedreamer]

Except you can’t count on legacy support even with Intel, they are shedding ISA’s to get more competitive with ARM -it already happened to AVX. With AMD and Nvidia announcing their own Arm SOC later this year, Intel’s gonna need a whole lot of miracles to keep up, which isn’t good news for a company that is barely surviving on good will as it is.

[@jaspreetsidhu5708]

I doubt it microsoft has done a poor job at optimizing windows for arm for years. And not only that the snapdragon chip runs at around 80 watts where as apple silicone has been doing so well at a quarter of that wattage.

[@tharushagamage6657]

28watts not 80watts haven't you seen maxes previous video about the qualcome x elite

[@finned958]

If the chip is designed to run at 80 watts, why wouldn’t it be used? Laptops and Desktops that can be plugged in should use the full wattage. On batteries, it will adjust to lower wattage. This has been true for all energy efficiency devices.

[@tharushagamage6657]

@@finned958 the laptop chip was kept at 28w the they maybe use the 80w chip for desktops or consoles.

[@chidorirasenganz]

It can be spec’d to run at different wattages from ~20 up to 80

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@finned958Starting with your last point most if not all mobile devices don’t have that issue. No phones or tablets work faster when plugged in. To your first point is that higher power draw requires more power and cooling so the device has to be louder and heaver at a minimum and possibly running hotter. It also wastes a lot of energy. At 80 the snapdragon is slightly better in multicore performance and still is worse at single core performance and graphics

[@kamalaksh.shenoy]

Everything looks great in lab. Wait till it comes out as commercially available product. MS also promised foldable computing device. Where is that now?

[@fmax3000]

And the iPod killer, the Zune? And the iPhone killer, Windows Phone? And the iPad killer, the Surface?

[@Arexxen]

@@fmax3000 I wonder why people still use Windows Bloatware instead of MacOS or Linux

[@slam5]

@@fmax3000 iPad and Surface are not in the same market. they do different things. you can't do things on Surface that iPad can't do and vice versa. one is a super slim and portable Windows laptop and other is a tablet that ios that is more for entertainment or specific apps that are designed for it. iPad isn't for heavy productivity use. You can do it a bit but it isn't natural. Same can be said about Surface. Windows is not designed for DJ'ing, NEITHER is Surface for looking up Google map on the road, reading newspaper or magazine, etc.

[@user-zd7id9rx3f]

Do the Nuvia/Qualcomm chips allow using off chip main memory and GPUs or is it all integrated like the Apple chips?

[@x6da9crain]

That's great but, is it just better plugged in? Does the battery match?

[@RFRF392]

what about linux on x elite powered laptops? software compatibility, price, performance ... does qualcomm works closely with linux like what intel did for kernel?

[@martingifford5415]

Can't return to fans after using fanless Macbook Air silicon. If Snapdragon makes a reasonably fast fanless laptop, I'd return to Windows.

[@abhijeetsingh5288]

I want the same ventless fan less laptops are so much better for longevity of the machine. I want it too

[@natelaperriere3981]

I have a M1 Pro MacBook, and that has a fan however I have never heard it so it doesn’t bother me

[@uhu4677]

I agree. Fans in mobile devices are an absolute nono. Also why would a 23W chip need fans for cooling, when the 25W M3 doesn't? This does not make any sense. If Microsoft puts fans in their new Surface Pro with ARM devices, that's just poor engineering.

[@Christobanistan]

Then you're stuck with really low performance laptops. Above 15 watts or so, fans kick in on ARM chips, including Apple chips. And 15 watts is not enough to do anything fast.

[@martingifford5415]

@@Christobanistan Macbook Air is fanless and outperforms most Windows laptops in most tasks.

[@jjwe2002]

But where does this leave Intel?

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Who’s that?

[@jjwe2002]

@@MaxTechOfficial Ouch!

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

Intel is the worst, that's why the US and EU are investing heavily in Intel, gosh :/

[@mrmerm]

RIP x86...

[@ighayinosayi]

In the bin

[@rowellc]

Is there a reason the M3 Max chips weren't mentioned? Are the X Elites the same intro chip level as the base model M3?

[@juhavehnia7862]

I think the X Elite was announced couple of weeks before the M3 chips came out. Could the reason why the marketing materials refer to M2.

[@scod3908]

They don't mention them because the snapdragon chips mentioned fall short of the M3 pro let alone the M3 max They love to compare to the fan-less Macbook Air base model chip with fewer cores because it makes their product look good. Comparing Apples to oranges... or if it's running Windows then the appropriate citrus comparison would be "Apples to LEMONS"

[@ottf24]

Are those X test plugged in or on batteries

[@ryuworks]

It remains to be seen if the ex Apple engineers spearheading these new chips used any proprietary tech they took when they left Apple. Judging by the spat that happened when they left it’s highly possible they did. The question is if Apple will go after them, and if Apple can even prove it.

[@username7763]

Companies think they can own people's thoughts and ideas after they quit. Which is funny because they care deeply about your prior work experience when hiring you. If they don't want the engineers using their knowledge and experience somewhere else, they should make them an owner or offer something too good to pass up.

[@scod3908]

@@username7763 I think you'll find that you have this thing called a "contract" which states that anything you develop on company time belongs to the company. That's why they "remunerate" you per the "contract".

[@scod3908]

They left Apple with insider knowledge, reportedly licensed by ARM to develop server chips (cheaper licencing?), then sold out to Qualcomm to be used in laptop chips, and now ARM is suing them too. Even if the Snapdragon models are technically good, the OEM's will make flimsy plastic housed devices and Windows will find a way to make the user experience sub-par. I learned my lesson not to have high expectations when spending thousands on hardware from the big OEM's if the machine is running MS Windows.

[@prebenhansen9846]

How does the Qualcomm chip handle RAM and SSD? Can you upgrade the RAM and/or the SSD down the line, or do you have to specify it when you buy the computer like on Apples M-series. If that is possible I would call it a major win for Qualcomm.

[@random_bit]

SoCs never have upgradable RAM in modern systems. And seeing this is Qualcomm, I doubt they will start now

[@oo--7714]

@@random_bityea, it is an arm device, arm devices do not have upgradable ram, it is incompatible with ddr sticks. That is one of the consequences of arm.

[@Arthur-hn5yk]

@@oo--7714 Arm is not incompatible with DDR or PCI, it is just that it defeats the concept of SoCs, look up Ampere Altra (server arm cpu).

[@ericjohnson5990]

Is Qualcomm using the RISC-5 architecture in any of their chips?

[@andronicthehedgehodmeza3069]

Snapdragon are usually ARM cpus, i don't think they suddenly start using a whole new architecure

[@norcalandrew]

If anyone is going to use RISC-V architecture, it would probably be Intel.

[@Sacto1654]

Maybe for a _standard_ M3. But what about the M3 Pro and M3 Max with their larger CPU and GPU core counts? Let alone the rumored M3 Ultra that will be unveiled in June 2024?

[@AyaWetts]

Everyone is so narrow focused and awed by the idea... they aren't looking at the larger picture. People still living in lala land.

[@Riyoe]

intel chips are even worse, if this runs even fairly well everyone will rejoice because intel chips are just complete dogsht

[@bichela]

I am still using a m1 Mac mini. Still very happy with its performance.

[@tawsiaislam2855]

These fanboys are never gonna understand. If you read recent news, Qualcomm has been caught cheating in their benchmarks. If you want, i can give a link of that news. The X elite now falls behind than M2 max in CPU performance and single core performance which actually matters. Qualcomm just beat the silly things of Apple chips like multi core or GPU. But they aren't understanding their weak points yet. Hoping Qualcomm gives a competition to Apple

[@bichela]

@@tawsiaislam2855 While Qualcomm may not quite be there yet I think they will progress. now they need to get ready to compete with the new M4. and that is going to be a tough contender

[@reddotmedia9888]

were this tests done while the PC was on battery or plugged to the wall?

[@alexseleni3314]

Unplugged. ARM chips use the same power plugged and unplugged.

[@neilfordan]

With the state of Windows 11? With all the crappy bloat? I don’t think so.

[@CrowDazzle]

Soon an Advertising Hardware Engine will need to be baked into the processors in order to run all. those ads everyone wants to serve us.

[@myappletests4155]

I think it's an excellent first step, but they have to find the strength to take the second and third without throwing everything away like they usually do

[@ashita1984]

This time they have X Apple core team on their side, Gerard Williams is spectacular at execution and the man behind Apple M1 unlike Jim Keller he knows how to execute

[@myappletests4155]

@@ashita1984 the team will certainly be better, but the problem is the management and the market. Apple can afford to tell consumers and developers: from today the platform is m1, so those who want to write apps write them on Silicon and those who want macos will use Silicon. With Windows it's another thing, there are many alternatives out there and you have to convince everyone to write apps and make people buy Arms through advertising, performance and perseverance. At the beginning it will sell little, and you have to hold on, even at the cost of losing a lot of money even for several years, until it becomes the de facto standard. If the management (both of Qualcomm and Microsoft) is able to do this we will have Arm as the protagonist also on Windows, otherwise it will end up like its predecessors did... all this always and only in my opinion!

[@fmax3000]

They will and as you said, they always do, lol. 😂👍

[@DennisSchmitz]

Honestly this is quite exciting to me as a customer that uses both Windows and MacOS (still rocking M1 Max). Less exciting news for AMD and Intel for sure though.

[@jensonbrudy9826]

Don't forget there is still a huge market of desktop PCs

[@jamiermathlin]

I agree, now Apple are moving out of the early ARM years, with M4 Ultra chips soon to be released the Apple M machines clearly dominate the laptop market in performance /watt and even now starting to show /dollar, it is the reason that so many people use Apple, I have an M3 Max 16' MacBook Pro and frankly I am speechless, it is top spec Intel CPU and 4070 GPU performance, and the battery lasts all day and evening, even when I am video and photo editing. It is quiet and cool and has top quality components, just look at the screen and listen to the speaker ! Apple haters can say what they like, the only reasons they act this way is because they are either hardcore gamers or they have not actually used an Apple machine, if they did they would understand.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

@@jensonbrudy9826 yea this will be in desktops as well, everywhere. intel and amd have no chance and nvidia is the next on the chopping block.

[@AyaWetts]

how would AMD or Intel care? So far its not aimed to compete except in 1 small area... the lowest end lightest weight portables. If they can make a MUCH MUCH faster version, and get AMD or NVIDIA GPUs to run with it... then maybe, but at that point, will the benefit be worth it? Who knows, they haven't made anything like that yet.

[@Spladoinkal]

Hope this ends up being good and the price is right. I'm about to be in the market for a new laptop right around the time these come out. Time will tell.

[@aaronkoch77]

It seems that the Qualcomm processors perform slightly better than the M3 but consuming M3 Pro power. Definitely an improvement over x86 but not yet catching Apple.

[@rocketmunkey1]

They are performing slightly better than the M3 pro at M3 pro power levels, if we look at the cinebench multicore scores X Elite is 950 at 23w vs M3 Pro 1010 at 25w The X Elite has slightly better performance per Watt, So if we wind M3 Pro back to 23w that would be an approximate score of 929 for M3 Pro at 23w vs the X Elites 950.

[@peterwan7945]

@@rocketmunkey1 judging from Geekbench 6 overall score, the performance of snapdragon X Elite is similar to the M3 Pro, while the graphics performance could not be determined on geekebench yet. while no power usage information was provided, so we could not determine the performance per watt. also, apple's process have problem with short workloads, as the processor failed to sped up fasted enough to the highest clock speed before the task is already finished. I would say, more test should be performed before drawing your conclusion. however, judging form the known information, yours is a reasonable approximation.

[@fmax3000]

@@peterwan7945sign,e core is no where there. GPU is no where. Efficiency, no where. Benchmarks are cherry picked according to Max on another video when he and other people attended the reveal in person and admitted they cherry picked the results. No Rosetta 2 level of migration. No tight control over SW, HW and OS. No Apple level of experience and optimization. No cache design like Apple Silicon. No custum encoders/ decoders. And the list keeps going on and on. The hell where is this can compete? Practically results talk, not cherry picked benchmarks in a controlled test environment measuring one aspect while ignoring others. Keep on dreaming. These ex-engineers didn’t take enough time to run with the secrets of M1, and they’re already old by 2 generations when another gen 4 is coming in few months. Adoption is key, windows and PC with its legacy support and fragmented vendors, developers can’t keep up, history showed.

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@peterwan7945 Obviously we need more tests but Im pointing out that the negative comments don't match what is seen in the video.

[@PoliticalMatter]

M2 probably but M3 not so much. And the windows software on arm not so optimised and the softwares for x86 need time to move to ARM so Apple can also take advantage?

[@tetonw1]

Is this going to be in the surface pro? If so that will make it a worth competitor.

[@KobinaYarkoMensah]

Yes! Microsoft will announce the Surface Pro 10 and Laptop 6 with X Elite next month

[@rocketmunkey1]

Isn't the fact they are not sharing battery life info more to do with the fact they haven't announced the first laptop using X Elite yet, We know what the performance per Watt is for the chip, with the 23w scores (marginally better than the fan cooled M3 Pro) Qaulcomm cant release battery specs for every laptop which might use their chip.

[@fmax3000]

Or it’s simpler than this. They haven’t released the numbers for their current test machines and there’s no excuse. Besides tests were cherry picked, Google what people attended the reveal say.

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@fmax3000 They're a chip manufacturer theyre giving chip specs it runs at 23 watts ! individual laptop battery life is down to laptop manufactures to release, how can Qaulcomm possibly release specs for every component SSD Display ect ect ect, for every laptop which laptop manufactures might release !?!? And everyone cherry picks especially Apple, but I'm not sure how you can cherry pick cinebench and Geekbench tests they're pretty standardised tests.

[@SuperRomanHoliday]

The clip at the front makes it look like microsoft have said/done something new? But then the video is a repeat of the one you did already. Did I miss somehting ?

[@its-me-dj]

In my opinion, Microsoft should focus on their software than hardware. Windows still crashes from time to time when running a bunch of demanding applications.

[@perkulant4629]

Maybe Apple can make the M chips more of an improvement in response. Feels like they have stagnated a bit already. Competition is good.

[@00z53]

Stagnate? Your tripin

[@MoonshineOctopus]

M3 >> M1 and was likely the 3nm design due to come out in 2022, but delayed due to TSMC’s slide in N3. M4 improvements will tell us if Apple has stagnated. And will bury Qualcomm’s first gen of Nuvia products

[@njpme]

Stagnate? 😂😂

[@cooltune]

Seeing the M3-series gave precedence to efficiency cores is a clear sign, performance was second priority in this line-up. This channel has been including battery live results in their reviews for a reason you know.

[@Blztrls]

Hopefully this means Windows will get optimized for Arm chips which means that maybe silicon Mac’s will become more compatible with Windows applications & games.

[@scod3908]

Microsoft cut a deal with Parallels to ensure that you can't just boot Windows on a Mac, notice that all the grassroots dev's suddenly went silent 2yrs ago. They're fine with that as Parallels brings them an income, and any machine running parallels is running two operating systems and will be less efficient. If users can dual boot Microsoft Windows then that's just another reason they will purchase a Macbook and not the "I can't believe it's not Macbook" MS Surface Laptop

[@perhapsme988]

And Apple still isnt using ARM version 9 protocol yet... M3 is using ARM vetsion 8.8 only i believe. Qualcomm seems still a bit behind. Microsoft has lots of work to optimise their products to native ARM architecture. It will be a difficult task.

[@androidfixer7052]

Just use Linux with this

[@mavinii960]

Fedora user here for about one year now and loving it ❤

[@jinraigami3349]

Most of creative apps aren't there.

[@ducktails1695]

Not a viable option as the vast majority of users don’t know how to use Linux, and Linux lacks proper app support across the board.

[@Riyoe]

​@@ducktails1695Well fyde OS exists so we are saved

[@siliconhawk9293]

exactly this. windows support for arm is not the greatest anyways if they dont do something so as to use the massive x86 software library without loosing too much, I'd just fully run linux instead. only reason to run windows at all is software and games that dont run on linux for whatever reason (or nividia creating issues as is normal)

[@VoidDave]

Im courious if there in the future will be ARM processors for desktop pcs (and removable like current ones)

[@loldoctor]

Lack of info about battery, no fan less design… this is going to underwhelm if people keep overhyping it. It’s a great step in the right direction for laptops, though.

[@NEGAHNEPOHON]

I can’t understand why they don’t just make a Windows for ARM business edition that works with their MS 365 & an x86 version for games.

[@Na0uta]

Big doubt about a snapdragon running windows as good as apple runs ios. Its not impossible, but windows needs to support a lot of software that is really old and requires the ability to run the code on modern hardware. Its never been an issue about getting widows to run better. Its always been the baggage of old software support.

[@stephenkeever6029]

I liked your lower key presentation style on this video.

[@xperiafan5370]

5:15 According to Qualcomm, the 23W chips are going to be targeted at thin and light laptops, with fanless ones in the mix. Also, there will be higher wattage versions in from other laptop OEMs which will probably be the ones to come with fans.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Fanless will be lower than 23W.

[@xperiafan5370]

@@MaxTechOfficial Nah! Those are just your assumptions; probably based on the rumours that there are lower powered versions of the chip being developed atm, but those ar aimed for budget - midrange laptops. There will be 23W versions made fanless to compete with the MBA, before the release of the lower powered systems for less powerful laptops. The Qualcomm workers on the Snapdragon Sub-Reddit suggested that there will be 23w fanless laptops among the upcoming releases of this Q3 2024.

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

With current pricing - yes. MSFT is forcing AAPL to drop M3 prices by 40%.

[@burtdanams4426]

The base m3 pro is basically the same benchmark performance as the x elite. Still gets beaten by the top spec m3 pro 12core chip and the m3 max

[@awaisahmed9418]

Anyone noticed Juan Bagnell sat on the right side 😎 in the Qualcomm meeting.

[@danmckee4988]

Is Microsoft going to have an "X Elite" version of Windows for the X Elite or are they going to have to use a translator like Apple did? If so and the translator turns out be a 'bottle heck," the performance gains of the chip will be negated, thus affecting the potential sales.

[@st4849]

So can we have BootCamp again on our ARM Macs?

[@dreadavis9751]

No, apple will never. Earlier, Intel had bios control, so we had bootcamp. But, now apple makes the cpu, sooo.... never

[@jamesnyers1721]

Buy a Mac to run a nightmare called Windows? Do you like to punish yourself?

[@fmax3000]

@@dreadavis9751It’s Microsoft which refused to make bootcamp drivers for Apple Silicon.

[@dontillman]

The biggest issue will be with Microsoft users who may find they need to switch to the arm processor. Microsoft will need to absolutely deliver on emulation performance to get people to move over to the new platform. Microsoft customers are not very likely to adopt new changes, especially when it may impact the speed of their applications. That said if they can understand that slower might mean longer battery life, then they might be open to that.

[@Whyme103]

Yes, but will it be upgradable with usb a and c/thunderbolt that will actually power thunderbolt devices.

[@77dris]

I think as long as Apple is creating the hardware and the software, it's going to be nearly impossible for Qualcaomm (hardware) and Microsoft (OS/Software) to keep up.

[@EE-te7ll]

These all tests are for content creation and gaming SW where all domain-specific job is done in ASIC: codecs, NPUs, GPUs but not on CPU. Please compare performance in Linux BSP compilation and FPGA design synthesis.

[@NexGen-3D]

If the SOC is locked down and Windows only, then regardless of performance, I will just stay using Apple machines, if its open and we can install any OS on it, then I'm interested.

[@PersonSuit]

This could be more fuel for that M4 release rumor. Apple could come out swinging at WWDC with the M4 Studio/MacPro with other M4 releases to follow as a "hold my beer" response. I am not sure really how likely that is, but it could happen. No one saw the M3 Pro/Max MBP coming out when it did so who knows what Apple is up to.

[@EyesOfByes]

5:52 If it supports external GPU through USB4 or M.2 to PCIe adapter, then that will make it more feasable for gaming

[@user-mv2px7tx9b]

could not run autodac on sq1 but after updates. it does run

[@engin-oz9iu]

An Other important point is that the base model must be have min.512GB ssd. This will be huge advantage for surface

[@rajpawar9343]

I don't knownhow ARM will do on windows because Intel is already in game and improvments are massive just waiting for Arrow Lake.

[@SelvarajuManivannan06]

Upcoming windows version have complete support for Both complete touch/mobile processor support and handheld gaming support. They definitely gonna ditch old windows dialogue boxes and features

[@softwaremaniacpsm7075]

Wonder what happens to Intel? Possibly: 1. Buy/invest in TMSC, 2. Go into ARM production, 3. Go the route of Motorola (M68K). Any thoughts?

[@Tom-vg5nb]

They can and will beat them. The specs on those elite books coming out on default models in the same price range of the air are incredible. No more garbage 8 gigs of ram.

[@mpeters97]

I’ve been all in on Apple for a while, but between the slow development of iPadOS, and my love of slates, if the next Surface has a good design and nice ARM processor in it, I may just switch. It’ll go handy when I take a look into switching to a Pixel Fold to be in Windows anyway. It’s a shame, as I love much of my Apple Gear (especially my Watch and AirPods and my Mac for work) but their slowness to adopt foldable and bring iPadOS into something more akin to a PC (at least on the Pro Devices) + their outright toxicity in the whole DMA thing, I feel like I see a face that I’m not liking in Apple (not saying any other companies are better here).

[@fmax3000]

Piece of advice? Don’t go from good to bad. Practically, there won’t be anything comparable at least for now. This is just marketing hype for now and definitely doesn’t show the true picture.

[@TazzSmk]

it's great to see some fresh air of competition, Elite X can comfortably sip 2x more power than M3 MBA because they can totally fit 2x bigger capacity battery (M3 MBA has only 52Wh) in order to keep similar battery life

[@jinraigami3349]

4:37 M3 Pro 25w vs 80w, so X Elite needs 31% more power to be 17.2% more powerful than the M3 Pro.

[@ElCarnivoroBBQ]

Actually what you’re referring to is misleading. There’s 2 set ups, one build is 80w the second build is 23w. Which is why in the video there’s 80 and 23w snapdragon charts. “Qualcomm allowed reporters access to about a dozen reference machines in a pair of configurations: Configuration A had an 80W TDP, with a 3840x2160p display and an 87Wh battery. Configuration B was slightly thinner, with a 23W TDP [Thermal Design Power] and a 2880×1800 OLED display.” --PC world--

[@MrSamPhoenix]

I noticed that too, Apple has nothing to worry about for now.

[@heroofjustice3349]

Its wrong approach. Energy needed to increase clock speeds is rising exponentially. 3x more power for only 20% more performance? I can guarantee you that Apple chips would behave similarly if we were allowed to overlock them. Its also reason why industry went with multicore solution decades ago.

[@12akul]

Apple 25w is CPU usage only whereas Qualcomm 23w is system usage ie it includes display, SSD etc

[@MrSamPhoenix]

@@12akul please stop it, that’s the SOC power usage of chip

[@ET_Videos]

I'd like to see some Linux benchmarks to see if Window is holding the X Elite back.

[@lolomo5787]

The problem here is gonna be windows programs with avx. Heck avx is also an issue on apple silicon

[@andersolsen1478]

Don’t you think that Mac’s will be able to run windows arm and windows games in the future? Why else would Apple put ray tracing in their chips?

[@m0601168]

Competition will only make everyone innovate more It’s a win win for us going forwards

[@danielhenderson8316]

If the consumer Surface Pro 10 has an OLED screen like rumored, I'm looking forward to seeing it vs. the new iPad Pro.

[@uhu4677]

If it has an OLED, it's unusable garbage. Those OLED displays usually flicker with 240Hz, which will make your eyes burn and produce headaches.

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@uhu4677 Never had any problem with any OLED panel either TV or mobile.

[@76roea]

I’m a big Apple fan, but looking forward to MS and others to start pushing them to be more creative. Their current product line up is super refined, but so uninspired. I love what Asus and a few other companies are doing to create versatile and multiple use products. Let’s get some competition going to drive tech to another economic boom.

[@scottsun345]

I think MSFT surface with this chip has a chance to fight directly with macbooks in the same league. So for them it's not just about more Windows market share, but also more laptop sales. It is a big win for microsoft

[@billymania11]

I work in the enterprise space so I'm firmly in the X86 world. Intel is quickly reengineering their chips and in about a years' time, they will reach parity with the ARM guys. I think ARM based chips are good for consumers and their workflows which includes video encoding stuff and image editing. For the enterprise, that demands Xeon level capabilities, X86 will be the obvious choice. So really, everybody wins going forward!

[@madmotorcyclist]

Wonder why Apple hasn't made an SOC with no efficiency cores for desktops? Those would be amazingly fast.

[@user-ms8qg2rz5s]

When will they bring windows to Mac ? Tim Apple say Apple is ok to support bootcamp ?

[@cesar_otoniel]

I wonder how long it will be until this kind of chips come to gaming machines. I would love to see a steamdeck with this kind of hardware. Sadly, the software (rossetta like layer) is not there on the FOSS side (yet)

[@inshal6420]

Most of your library probably won’t work but newer games will be cool to see.

[@cesar_otoniel]

@inshal6420 windows games like Fallout 3 and oblivion are already working on cellphones via winlator.

[@Solarsystemrdffdfyyhh]

They need to bring back the hybrid phone os and windows 12 for tablets and phones. Big demand for it.

[@subhajitsarkar4432]

i will wait for this laptops, i am so excited for snapdragon x elite

[@michaelgebauer5235]

It‘s not about faster. It‘s about fast enough to run the software requested by the end users. Here Microsoft will be a major challenger to Apple

[@jbettcher1]

Not beating them on the GPU aspect of the M3, but the CPU stuff is impressive.

[@rockssp5388]

it´s good to have options

[@not_amanullah]

I hope price will be reasonable

[@nadtz]

I'm hoping for a framework with ARM CPU and Linux in the near future. Otherwise a Thinkpad will do. Kind of makes me wonder what would have happened if Nvidia had bought arm though.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

1984, thank god that didn happen, but shoutout to jensen seeing the end was near and trying to avoid it.

[@nadtz]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl More like the start. They didn't get ARM but they did get Mellanox and like Jensen has said they wanted Nvidia to be a 1 stop shop for datacenters.

[@PhillipLearnTeach]

I am beginning to feel the new Intel Core is still slow... and worst is the price is high. It seems the older Intel i9 CPUs maybe better but problem is the loud fans like a jumbo jet and 1-4 hr battery life and also needing to be plug in for performance mode makes it not a compelling buy

[@beyondu77]

It's sad that the Snapdragon X Elite at 80 watts is being compared to a M3 pro running at 25 watts.

[@thewatchmanstudios6257]

Everybody wins if one competes against the other and everything gets better

[@alexanderfazel]

I think Qualcomm has improved a lot. But, the chip must be compared to M3 Pro and Microsoft is always disingenuous with their ads and comparisons. As you can see, even a base M3 smokes Qualcomm in single core and graphics. I’m excited about Apple’s standalone M3 Ultra chip (or M4 Ultra!) which won’t be two M3 Max chips, as you’ve speculated. It will really take off and be a sign of M4 Pro and Max chips coming in November.

[@perrykeshahwalker5321]

I owm an apple m1 mac mini. I like the speed but hate the operating system. This is great because I prefer windows due to its flexibility. What would be better is if they allow the user to upgrade its memory and ssd in addition to the SOC with out performance issues. That would be a game changer.

[@christopherwood12]

All this new silicon is so cool, competition is booming

[@bartonlynch]

They won't beat Apple, let's start by pointing out that Snapdragon SoCs are not a product of M$'s design nor they own it. Apple's seamless tight hardware and software integration/optimization will still be their advantage.

[@CristiCroicu]

O would much ratter have a processor with 10 cores instead of 12, and run it at 20 wats of power.

[@KC-gp4mf]

I hope X Elite is successful with Microsoft to create competition.

[@dorbie]

Qualcomm have had these ambitions since 2007, but a combination of tablet class devices sucking the air out of the netbook product category, lack of ambition/belief, underinvestment, and the perennial dependence on 3rd parties for software and hardware product left Apple to be the innovator and leader bringing high performance ARM to the laptop/desktop. Apple will always be able to execute faster on transformations like this. They own their full product stack. Where Apple manufactures stools, Qualcomm makes one leg of a three legged stool. To switch from wooden stools to aluminum stools is easy for an Apple, but a fiasco for a Qualcomm.

[@SerjLimitless]

One of the main perks of Mac is staying away from that crappy mess called Windows😀

[@paskizephyr]

While Windows on ARM is nothing new, the OS could be revamped via Qualcomm’s new powerful chip. This may make one wonder if game developers will be enticed to develop and port games to natively run on the mentioned chip architecture? Also, will this be a better reason for game devs to (and ease of) developing and porting games to the ARM-based Macs? It is understandable that not only the graphics API is the hurdle for game devs to develop and port a game to macOS, but also the chip architecture is also a reason for developers to (somewhat) steer away in bringing games to the Mac. 🤔

[@soonts]

They seem to avoid comparison with AMD. AMD is more efficient than Intel, Ryzen 7 7840U and 8840U are close to Apple M3: faster on some benchmarks, slower in others, with similar ~25W power usage.

[@Itwasmeeeeeee]

Wait until they found out what people don't like about windows laptop is ... Windows

[@Dani-kq6qq]

I mean, it IS the most popular laptop operating system by quite a distance

[@batsonelectronics]

@@Dani-kq6qq not because it is liked so much as it has always been cheaper. I worked on win, apple, linux computers and customer by % preferred Mac OS the most. Mac has fewer users but a much higher % of that base is very happy with the OS.

[@Dani-kq6qq]

@@batsonelectronics I have worked on win, apple and linux and i hated happy my Mac. I am not happy with windows, especially recently, but i really hated my Mac.

[@CrYou575]

@@Dani-kq6qq I comes on cheap machines, so users are saddled with it unless they dual boot.

[@aelaan12]

At this moment in time, Microsoft must do everything in its power to become competitive. Qualcomm has provided a reasonable alternative in the form of this and future chips, but in the end you still have an OS that got ported from the X86 platform, and it would be so interesting to see the "what-if" Microsoft had the chance to start from scratch at the kernel level and use some libraries from what we now know as Windows 11. In the end, Apple will do away with X86 support in their OS, which happened too when they moved from PowerPC to Intel. In two years from now this might no longer be an issue, who knows. Another thing with Qualcomm is support for peripherals such as mice, printers, bluetooth and so on.

[@rmzzz76]

Have been running Windows 11 Pro ARM64 edition on Parallels 19 on my Mac Book M3 Pro, I can tell you Microsoft is serious about Windows 11 on ARM. The compatibility problems running x84 and x64 apps are still there in some cases, but it's emulation level, similar to what Apple did when they launched Apple Silicon, "just works" for the most part. I suspect they've been using Parallels users on Mac to help flush out bugs and firm up the ARM edition of Windows 11 and are just optimizing for the X Elite when it lands. I expect they will leave Intel and AMD "in the dust" in terms of marketing effort, they are going push Win 11 on X Elite hard and frankly, they should. It's going to be the first viable alternative to Apple Silicon's higher-performance, low power M series chips and Windows 11 Pro on ARM is more solid the Win 11 Pro on my Intel, I get faster compile times with running through Parallels VM than I do on my Intel i7. I'd love to add a Dell XPS X Elite botebook to my collection

[@marxhubert]

While waiting for the machines equipped with this chip to hit the market, Apple will have already gained a considerable lead and will likely have launched the M4 chips, or even the M5, by then. Moreover, Apple now has a lot of experience and excels in optimizing everything they do. I believe the world will need at least 3 years before it can truly compete with Apple.

[@maegjohncareeon639]

Well, if Microsoft will use Snapdragon Elite, my Question is will they ressurect the windows phone?

[@DannyTan-dm5ou]

Two things. First, comparison purely by chip speed/benchmark is pointless. It's how the hardware works together with the software that matters, i.e. the whole user experience. Second, battery life? Will most users sacrifice a little bit of performance for more battery life? Heck yes. So even if Elite is faster, it doesnt matter if it sucks up more power than M3. Also, Elite is actually going to need to be compared against M4 very soon