Microsoft Flight Simulator - RAY TRACING, Delays, All Latest Details

Sim Update 15 for Microsoft Flight Simulator has been delayed into April. Meanwhile Asobo discuss issues related to Ray Tracing, the sim's weather API, cloud turbulence and more.
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[@noel3554]

My gaphics card hates me for watching a video about ray tracing in MSFS.

[@underleft]

Majority of systems are cpu limited so it won't make much performance difference.

[@ClevaTreva]

They need to concentrate on performance in the sim over EVERYTHING else. Sub 30fps at major airports with a traffic injector on a high end PC is unacceptable...

[@johny5400]

The issue is the traffic, not the game itself...I dont see solving traffic being the nr 1 priority

[@gadDenmark]

Performance (without further LOD degradation) and the extremely slow download speeds.

[@GarageSupra]

My issue is that no graphics setting make a lick of difference to my fps on my 6800xt in 4k except the terrain slider.

[@bjorn2625]

But isn't that EXACTLY what they are doing with SU15, removing performance spikes in high density areas?

[@ClevaTreva]

@@bjorn2625watch them make not one iota of improvement.

[@williamj.b.9351]

ASOBO should prioritize solving performance problems. I don't even care about ray tracing when my eyes are bleeding at 25 FPS in busy airports.

[@badl4ndz]

Thanks for the info and nice flyby in LA LA Land

[@skadvani]

Thanks for your updates. Can you share your nvidia filter settings. The views in your video are cinematic and stunning. Thanks

[@abstractbybrian]

Where were you flying over where the lakes were? Stunning scenery!

[@patrickk.4104]

Los Angeles, CA

[@andrewjamez]

They need to release a camera sdk so we can have adding like EZdok camera fo fsx that transformed the immersion

[@bigbangerz5856]

Any updates on VR?

[@lh32186]

I wish!

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

About the weather thing I can atest to it being inconsistent... Little thunderstorm crumples your LSA's wings cat 4 hurricane eye wall nothing much to an F-4 phantom 2.

[@rackum44]

All the views in this video look life like just amazing

[@marcuswilson6339]

How do you get your scenery to load up properly and look so good. Especially in the cities

[@WindCruiser]

it like they move all resource and manpower to the new game already so they just have few people to making update on current game

[@OtaQ]

Any VR related news?

[@Drmerlin604]

Yes! Asobo are not interested in VR in the slightest and it is at the bottom of their list of priorities. The immersion-breaking nonsense we experience at engine shut-down was raised yet again. The team said that they were aware of this but did not consider it important enough to do anything about it. The fact that the VR team has been disbanded and that there has been no attention to VR for a few years should tell you everything you need to know about Asobo and Microsoft’s commitment to VR.

[@_Arthur-]

Yeah, like implementing the magic Auto fps is doing for performance. Apparently it's already part of the Xbox-version, so why not implement it in the pc version?

[@lurchilurch5507]

In a couple of clips you very clearly see the cars dissappear in the middle of the road. Is it just me or did this not happen (or not as obviously) in older versions (like several SUs ago) of the sim? I've wondered this several times while playing/flying. I swear cars used to be more permanent and had longer draw distances.

[@ZeroGaming-ds7mb]

If ever you could mention the locations you're flying in your videos they would be appreciated.

[@zacharyb7638]

he's starting the north valley of L.A. and gradually going over the hills to downtown

[@tomkam9783]

Beverly Hills, North Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood Dam and hills; Westwood, Century City, San Fernando Valley, downtown Los Angeles. UCLA was visible, for you Bruin fans.

[@Curious_Skeptic]

When my local roads aren't rendered green, let me know. I'll play again. LOL.

[@wimwilms1424]

What have I learned from this clip? There is left hand traffic in LA at 6:13 😉 Otherwise thanks a lot for Your effort. 👍

[@brandongarrett2309]

Thanks Ant, your vid confirmed I will wait for 2024 ver.

[@claudiocinieri7890]

There are still cars in the in the middle of rwys or moving with no sense, They should fix this, plus lights in the airporst. Most of them are like in space, iun total darkness. Thanks for the video!!!

[@godlugner5327]

If anyone is having VR trouble with Quest 2 and MSFS just know it's issues with quest software not MSFS

[@darkfireeye]

Maybe a stupid question, but I'm thinking of getting the game but im a bit confused: there seems to be options to buy flight simulator 2020, 2024 and on steam i find the Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary Edition released in 2020. What is the right one? Will there be a new 2024 Version soon? Can anyone help?

[@oculicious]

I couldn't care less about raytracing and I have a 4090, lighting already looks phenomenal

[@ImpendingJoker]

The thing about the weather that they really need to open up is the ability for software packages like REX to change the cloud textures so they can be made to look more realistic. This is the only true gripe that I have about the sim.

[@IVIenac3]

that's the thing. The clouds aren't textures, they're volumetric.

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@IVIenac3 I am aware of that but that doesn't mean that can't be made to look better.

[@Giermeq]

@@ImpendingJoker But there is big difference between simple change of textures by some addon and changing mathematical equations contained in the game code responsible for rendering volumetric clouds. Especially when it is not an open source game and code is encrypted.

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@Giermeq That's my point. They could unencrypt it and allow access to other people to push it further. 3rd party creators have ALWAYS been the life blood of the series.

[@Giermeq]

@@ImpendingJoker But from a company perspective, you want to protect this code that your team worked on. Not from modders, but from other companies and developers. Making realistic clouds is not that simple, look at war thunder and xplane, both are worse at it (not bad looking clouds, just less realistic imo). DCS developers spend the last couple of years developing (in my opinion) better looking dynamic clouds. Ubisoft for example also don't share its technology for climbing in games for the same reasons. In business, it's not the best move to help your competition. Edit. In msfs it is also the problem of dynamic weather itself. Data that they gather for live weather isn't highly detailed, so in result it produces blurry blobs. Custom presets will give you much better clouds.

[@papagen00]

3:07 Fail 😂

[@man_vs_life]

This video's 1000th like. :)

[@happydappyman]

I dont mind the dithering effect from the current ray tracing. The real issue is that its a screen space effect, and that's really noticeable in msfs. If your eyes are mostly in the cockpit, all your reflections disappear. There is also certainly no issue with the turbulence being too weak in the sim. I was flying in arizona the other day and it was the first time i couldn't get into an airport on an otherwise perfect day. Totally nuts

[@leedove7255]

Mew stuff is only going to come in 2024 version. No surprise as they do need to make it worth charging for it as a new product.

[@ramosnato]

AT time stamp :28 how did you un zoom it that high

[@mmstraker1]

Use the drone camera

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

Does anyone else feel like there is an issue with the reflection of lights onto aircraft bodies? E.g I don't see the blue taxi light or green taxi light reflecting into the bodies of aircraft. You have to move the camera to very specific angle to see reflections. Lights actually don't have volume or distance. This is in contrast to eg Xplane 12 where you can even see distance town lights or the blue and green lights reflecting against aircraft bodies.

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

@@cammy9r You Can still see these things through the windows when you look out of the cockpit ;-) I mean it's what we do as pilots...look outside of the cockpit when taxing. Have you purchased Payware airports?

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

@@cammy9r So you bought an airport for the very same reason, visuals ;-) Let's leave it at that because you know we all like to have improved visuals. If we didn't push for that then we wouldn't be where we are now. Keeping up with demand is the reason why we progress. Imagine not being bothered and simply being happy with what we have. There would be no motivation to be better ;-)

[@doltBmB]

the runway lights are just a dot on the screen, so they won't cast any light or appear in reflections

[@doltBmB]

@@cammy9r the runway and taxi lights should illuminate the ground somewhat so you can see more easily where you are going, this matters a huge amount to night gameplay and has been a massive defect of the game since the beginning

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

@@doltBmB that's the issue indeed - they are just baked in graphics with no physical properties

[@edt6290]

Anybody else notice that cars are overtaking other cars in the same lane and one or the other vehicles just disappear? Or the head ons because vehicles seem to randomly use whatever lane they want?

[@oculicious]

actually simulating traffic would be entirely too computationally heavy, considered the scope of the simulator

[@edt6290]

@@oculicious I just found it amusing.

[@DocumentingLife8619]

I’m still running a Frankenstein version of fsx steam on quadro p5200 i7 4940mx 32gb ram 2133mhz 2tb ssd for gaming 😂

[@RickyBobbyNASCARLOVER]

Ray tracing on cockpit reflections, water reflections, and the runway when wet etc will be insane.

[@doltBmB]

an insane waste of performance, just add proper reflections to the water already

[@JeanC705]

Look at the fs 2024 trailer, you can see ray tracing during the ambulance scene, I’m suprised nobody noticed

[@poolhallshark]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@eugenekilmer9407]

I think MSFS is moving one step forward but two steps back. Things were better when the American Aces team was developing the software.

[@russhodgson5209]

That hurt my ears.

[@JonathanPeel]

Is the delay related to 330's comments on INI? 😂

[@Wiiillllson151]

Hey all Ive just built Pc with a 4070/i5 14400f/32gb ddr5 6000mhz. Should I wait to get MS2024 or will this game still receive updates and what should I expect performance wise? Thanks in advance

[@BPond7]

That’s a tough one. Asobo have said they’ll continue to update and support 2020, so you wouldn’t be throwing away money on a dead sim. On the other hand, 2024 will be releasing this year at some point, and it would be tough to spend $100+ on it, after having just purchased 2020. Performance-wise, you’ll be very happy with your setup. I’m running triple monitors, and hammering my 4070ti, but aside from very busy airports, she flies like a dream, and the scenery is truly spectacular. 🖖😀

[@Wiiillllson151]

@@BPond7 as eager as I am to get in to FS again after my last one being 04 I think your right. Might just wait for 2024. I honestly didn't think the would release another one so close to last one. Thanks dude✌️

[@theoschneider6924]

get xbox gamepass for pc, you'll get msfs 2020 AND 2024 when it releases + a bunch of other stuff.

[@stephanos2758]

as you said, i prefer the update to be delayed rather than be released half assed.

[@Drmerlin604]

I admire your optimism that SU15 will not be half-arsed when it finally releases…. The best predictor of future Adobo behavior is past Asobo behavior.

[@RobisonRacing68]

Mark, where is the scenery area you used in this video?

[@kiwicobra8742]

Hollywood Hills in LA, I never realised how nice it all looked til now lol

[@johanjacobs9240]

My guess why SU 15 is delayed among other things is because of the (again) inibuild A320 neo. It is not ready.

[@Drmerlin604]

The Inibuilds a320 is the most pointless project imaginable. I am very happy with the A320’s we already have. I won’t touch it with a barge pole.

[@kentandmerran1032]

What he said. FBW/Fenix. Why do we need another???@@Drmerlin604

[@biggiecheese8785]

@@Drmerlin604it’s for Xbox players who don’t have another option apart from the base a320 neo

[@britfrog]

they have sold over 5 million copies of msfs that they admit to however a team of over 600 sucks up a lot of money so it is understandable that they are now concentrating on 2024 as they have to ensure that those 5 million buy into it, hence it will have to be substantially better for this to happen , what concerns me is how long do M.S. plan on keeping 2020 on the servers with or without updates, because if they pull the plug our hobby goes down the swanee.

[@davidtsw]

The one thing that annoys me is how they screwed up antialiasing somewhere along the way and now refuse to fix it until MSFS 2024 lol. AA in MSFS used to look better for sure. Now it's jaggies everywhere. Or blurriness with DLSS - not much of a solution.

[@NoXiDLP]

Raytracing in MFSF? this game didnt run stabel in 60Fps+ with Ultra Sets with a RTX3080ti. How it should run with RTX? Fixd 30 Fps?^^

[@davidw8999]

So some cosmetic changes and poi's...this is some low energy stuff, how about the bgs or player corporations, so much potential lost because of safe and cheap corporate decisions at frontier. I think the code base is so bad that they can't make proper changes without breaking it, maybe don't let your talent go so quickly next time.

[@CasepbX]

Never thought the words ray tracing would make me cringe so hard.

[@SuperExtremeTNT]

4090Ti Super pro max Titan X edition DLSS ready ultra core performance boost minimum cost £ 5.11x10^9999999999999999999

[@MrLuumpy]

How about fixing the damn trees? 4 years now. Just look how awful they are in this video. 300 ft trees in LA ? ok., Where are the palm trees? Why are there tress at 16,000 ft on glaciers and such? 4 years. how about the horizon line? Hmmm?

[@wabznasm9660]

Idc what industry you’re in - cancelling something for foreseeable reasons the day before it’s meant to come out makes you look incompetent.

[@ganntradingsystemstimecycl2783]

Sebastian said " weather turbulence is working as expected" what a load of crap. I've flown so many flight through the inter tropical convergence zone with high thunder storm activity. With next to little turbulence. Honestly getting reall5sickand tired their lame arse excuses all the time. Just like with weather API.

[@vivianvaldi7871]

This is the right call ? Some think otherwise. In first place those working in dev, who aren't paid for their work. Looks like a kind state policle vacant affirmation. Plus could this channel explain why trucks are bumping like bees on brigdes from hyghways ? Could these reviews be more realistic & helpfull for deseperate simmers confronted with such unreal & disturbing artefacts ?

[@unclealig]

personally ray tracing is not a must have. there are too many bugs still in the sim which need fixing, before introducing a new feature. popping in of photogrammetry tiles is one those bugs which need fixing. it really breaks the immersion and should be working as i consider that as a base requirement to work properly in a sim

[@neumanix456]

No raytracing is just fine. All the eye candy a flightsim needs is already there. They need to focus their efforts elsewhere.

[@jimmyohdez]

Rtx is the most whatever setting ever. You don’t really need it but you like having the option

[@psour33]

Not only Ray Tracing please, but AI denoising, Path tracing and the whole DLSS 3.5 shebang, sorta Alan Wake 2 Flight Simulator.

[@Not_Lewis]

Are you seriously suggesting this, in a game that can barely get 1440p 60fps?

[@chrisstrobel3439]

Great .. so no weather radar in PMDG or Fenix like we had in FSX a decade ago 😡 Welp .. it’s time for this ol boy to migrate back to Perpa3d which actually simulates important stuff for flying .. like sweepable weather radar, wind shear, microburst, etc. I’ll leave msfs on the drive though for playing Dune 😡 Ok Laminar .. the balls in your court .. lets get those visuals up to 2024 standards.

[@Shaun81000]

The weather radar is just a painted pic on your ND. Unless MSFS better simulates the detrimental effects of flying a jet through a thunderstorm or heavy precipitation, there is no incentive for pilots to follow the radar or for atc to assign you a diversion

[@chrisstrobel3439]

@@Shaun81000 Right .. that’s the problem in msfs, in FSX the weather radar actually worked, and I’d even get predictive wind shear alerts in the PMDG’s. Seems things have gone backwards.

[@MustafaGT]

I mean, it’s been obvious MS2020 was never going to get ray tracing. Why would the sim which performance is horrible and is main thread limited be implementing ray tracing? It would basically sink performance to 20 fps with high end GPU’s.

[@zacharyb7638]

exactly. they have so many things to fix with the engine, they should probably focus on that before adding

[@slaphead90]

I have yet to see what ray tracing had brought to graphics other than slideshow frame rates. Seriously I cannot see the difference between a ray traced scene and a non ray traced scene unless the very very subtle differences are pointed out to me.

[@pilotembgamers4644]

Ray tracing if available, prob 99% of users will turn off for better fps. Waste of resources to implement imo.

[@Marleyismydog420]

MSFS is very cpu heavy and most people with high end gpu's would have plenty performance to spare but i do agree. what im noticing is they promise something and then later go: "yeah thats not realistic" like what are they? politicians?

[@johnmcmurphy1007]

The well known Main Thread Restrictions leave my RTX 4090 busy at 30% workload at 40-50fps. It can be improved with frame generation. Some weaker graphics cards will also have some resources left for Raytracing but at the end the Implementation and visual improvement is what counts.

[@walawala-fo7ds]

Not with an rtx 5090 you won't. That's the plan 😂

[@FinalLightNL]

I’d turn it on 100%

[@johnmcmurphy1007]

@@walawala-fo7ds gimme that RTX 5090, I need it, NOW! 😊

[@imgroot7035]

Sorry, but without weather radar It is not real simulator 😔

[@MrLuumpy]

Good grief, keep that raytracing crap out of the game please. Its not a feature, its garbage.

[@jango71]

Anyway ray tracing is way overrated.

[@999jay999]

Its very nice when its working and at the same time not hammering ones PC into the dirt as we not got a 4090 TI UD FX EXTRA BANG + GPU.

[@jaimdiojtar6515]

yeah and considering this game incredible graphics RTX doesnt seems that will change much, RTX is good for older games

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

@@jaimdiojtar6515 Better lighting and relections are always better and we are 3 gens into RTX so having be in AAA should be normal by now...

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Some say rumble/Haptics and sound is overrated too.

[@harrasika]

​@@GreenBlueWalkthrough except when the artsytle looks better with more simple reflections and ligthing.

[@lh32186]

I bet msfs2024 is going to be as bad as msfs2020! I lost faith with asobo.

[@user-zb4rc1xg4d]

Good call on the delay. If it's not ready, then keep working until it is. I personally don't have any interest in ray tracing since I guarantee you're not going to see any kind of noticeable improvement to the visuals due to the scale of things. The biggest benefit of ray tracing is global illumination, which is best utilized in indoor and small scale environments where you can see the visible light bounces on surfaces, so with the exception of maybe some minor changes to the illumination inside of cockpits, what you're basically looking at is a very small return in the visual department in trade for the extra load on the GPU and very likely noticeably reduced fps. Mark my words, the official forums will be lit up with complaints about it and the whole ray tracing thing will be exposed for the trivial gimmick that it is.

[@jerk_store]

Seems like the main excuse used for most everything is, "Well it would require a lot of work." However the real answer is, "We used legacy code as the base, which makes this impossible without a major re-write."

[@haltux]

The real answer is "we are a company, we need to make money, we are not going to pay tens of developpers working on a 4 years old game forever for free". Anyone with a little bit of common sense should understand that.

[@jerk_store]

@@haltux You forgot to add.... "To hell with the 10 year promise we made." And they aren't developing it "for free." They got their money for selling different tiers of the game (yes it's a game, not a simulation) with the broken premium aircraft that STILL haven't fixed. People snatch up the DLC. So yeah, your argument used for Early Access games doesn't work here.

[@haltux]

​@@jerk_store You buy a game, you pay the past development effort, not the future one, with the exception of early access. Otherwise it would be a subscription (that noone wants). The idea that as you have paid once you deserve years later to get new features for free makes no sense to me. Bug fixes, yes, new features, no. And here we are talking about new features. Also it always strikes me that gamers happily pay 70 euros for AAA games they shelve after 20 or 30 hours, but parts of the simmers, who spend thousands of euros in hardware, are upset when they need to spend the same 70€ for an update after four years and hundreds of gaming hours. I don't get that.

[@jerk_store]

@@haltux That doesn't hold true In the era of live service games, which this one is. Also doesn't hold true for this _release it now, fix it later_ culture. Cyberpunk, No Man's Sky, and nearly all present day AAA titles dismantle your entire argument.