Ken Thompson interviewed by Brian Kernighan at VCF East 2019

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@harkirehal258
@harkirehal258 5 жыл бұрын
These guys are legends. And so humble. Talk about an influencer. This is an influencer!
@Gravy1255
@Gravy1255 5 жыл бұрын
He was brilliant, but to himself I think he thought he was kind of "dumb or average". Little did he know at the time; though, He co-created a language that would stand the test of time and be used as a base language for a lot of things in CS.
@knyazhefilms2154
@knyazhefilms2154 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Gravy1255 He is a man of integrity and what he thought about himself is honest. He isn't dumb but average which is not to discredit him, but the popularity of what he did is explained simply by the fact that there are many dumb and average poeople around. And those dumb and average people can comprehend what he did and simply ignored other much more brighter people in the field.
@02muarij92
@02muarij92 4 жыл бұрын
@@knyazhefilms2154 He isn't average. Lol.
@simiuciacia
@simiuciacia Жыл бұрын
@@knyazhefilms2154 If he's average what are we?
@MikroLGS
@MikroLGS Жыл бұрын
@@simiuciacia we are cockroaches
@gregorymccoy6797
@gregorymccoy6797 2 жыл бұрын
They should've let him talk all day. Amazing guys.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
I agree! If it was up to me, I would have him talk as long as he wanted!
@theherk
@theherk 4 жыл бұрын
"Am I wasting too much time." Are you kidding? This is like the sermon on the mount. Take all the time you would like.
@PauloConstantino167
@PauloConstantino167 3 жыл бұрын
yes take all my time ken pls
@desarrollou71x72
@desarrollou71x72 3 ай бұрын
may be.. think it about a thread.. his thread is taking a bit long.. he wants to optimize..
@NILESWORD
@NILESWORD 11 ай бұрын
I love how they got Brian Kernighan to interview him, everything was a perfect set up for Ken to knock out of the park, great interview!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 11 ай бұрын
Yes. It helped Ken to agree to the talk by having his old friend Brian interview him. Some speakers don't like monologues they prefer "the interview style" of speaking.
@TechnicallyEvan
@TechnicallyEvan 10 ай бұрын
Not much "they" behind it. I alone arranged for Brian and Ken to do this.
@mondskiez309
@mondskiez309 4 жыл бұрын
Ken: One Week; One Week; One Week; and we had Unix.. Brian: I think programmers are not much productive these days.. Such gods speaking before mere mortals. Legendary.
@AlexanderTeterkin
@AlexanderTeterkin 3 жыл бұрын
And Ken said, Let there be UNIX: and on the third week there was UNIX. And Ken saw the UNIX, that it was good.
@VaultRaider
@VaultRaider 3 жыл бұрын
He just casually invented a game with LAN multiplayer on a machine for printing boards
@nieczerwony
@nieczerwony Жыл бұрын
Necessity is a mother of invention
@ciba2nd622
@ciba2nd622 11 ай бұрын
@@nieczerwony laziness is the mother of invention.
@Alceste_
@Alceste_ 10 ай бұрын
@@ciba2nd622 & @nieczerwony Isn't Necessity how Lazy people call Inventions?
@bepsays
@bepsays 5 жыл бұрын
This is the most interesting 1 hour on KZbin I've had in years. Ken Thomposon is a fantastic storyteller!
@Whateverworksism
@Whateverworksism 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, this is the best hour I've spent on KZbin for a while. On a site note, in case you're interested, the KZbin channel "Computerphile" regularly features videos with Brian Kernighan. Unfortunately Ken has yet to make an appearance but Brian has a dozen videos or so.
@nirmalyasengupta7714
@nirmalyasengupta7714 5 жыл бұрын
Cannot agree more!
@arslan113
@arslan113 4 жыл бұрын
Ok iron side😂
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know when I spent over 1hr watching and enjoying the tales of how UNIX which eventually gave birth to the likes of LINUX came about. I was glad that I could still comprehend some of the technical topics he glazed over, since I left university.
@tomahzo
@tomahzo 2 жыл бұрын
No doubt! I wish they would have had like a follow-up session with more stories. Or that they would have extended the session.
@afterthesmash
@afterthesmash 5 жыл бұрын
They could make an entire movie out of AT&T trying to hire Ken Thompson, and it would be called _Searching for Ken Thompson._
@abhisheksaseendran3861
@abhisheksaseendran3861 4 жыл бұрын
you could say greping for ken thompson lol
@nathanielwoodbury2692
@nathanielwoodbury2692 4 жыл бұрын
Allan Stokes 😂😂😂
@aiisnice1453
@aiisnice1453 3 жыл бұрын
wonders of the world wide web
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
You feel it’ll best the Steve Jobs Biopic?
@fikrirazaq8373
@fikrirazaq8373 Жыл бұрын
I would like to have a movie about how Ken spent 3 weeks writing the UNIX in assembly, the McIlroy TMG's compiler and Dennis wrote the C compiler, and give it the title The Bell's Angels.
@alexm8468
@alexm8468 9 ай бұрын
I am a native Greek speaker. The first line on his T-shirt says: "I finally understood it!"
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 9 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks for sharing!
@ArturdeSousaRocha
@ArturdeSousaRocha 8 ай бұрын
I was hoping someone would explain it. Thanks.
@aqk
@aqk 7 ай бұрын
Hmmm.. Is this modern Greek? Or the traditional? - Ἐν οἴνῳ ἀλήθεια which I have succumbed to tonight....
@LBCreateSpace
@LBCreateSpace 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I was wondering 😂
@jimh8340
@jimh8340 3 ай бұрын
what does the code translate to underneath it?
@y__h
@y__h 5 жыл бұрын
The faces of people that started time. Unix timestamp that is.
@arpanmukherjee4625
@arpanmukherjee4625 5 жыл бұрын
Nice comment
@alexa.davronov1537
@alexa.davronov1537 4 жыл бұрын
Good one.
@MacNerfer
@MacNerfer 3 жыл бұрын
In seconds from Jan 1, 1970
@m4heshd
@m4heshd 3 жыл бұрын
Did you forget Multics?
@ComradeStiv
@ComradeStiv Жыл бұрын
Future nerds are gonna be sooo jealous we saw him while he was still a living legend! Just a regular Joe that happened to do great things. Thrilled that he still loves to tell the stories. I get the feeling he's still slightly perplexed why we put him on such a pedestal for just doing what he can't help doing 😊 This sit-down is _solid gold_ ✨
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
So glad that you liked this talk!
@t7t810
@t7t810 4 жыл бұрын
"And at some point, I realize without knowing it up until that point that I was three weeks from an operating system with 3 programs : one a week. An editor, I needed an editor to write code. I need an assembler to turn the code into language I could run. And I needed a little kernel kind of overlay call it an operating system. And luckily right at that moment my wife went on a three-week vacation" Ken Thompson
@daga68
@daga68 3 жыл бұрын
I would stamp a T-Shirt with this paragraph anytime !!!
@nishanth6403
@nishanth6403 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute madlad
@wojciechkaczmarek5394
@wojciechkaczmarek5394 Жыл бұрын
we should make a monument of the wife xD
@gsmagesh
@gsmagesh 5 жыл бұрын
Man, its full of goosebumps ... to get to know about how things were born! I mean, the real things like Unix, C, grep, pipes, etc... Very inspiring to see legends sharing the same stage! Missing Dennis Ritchie though!
@yunjiehong4649
@yunjiehong4649 3 жыл бұрын
Missing Dennis.
@SoulSukkur
@SoulSukkur 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I really love about computer science is that it exploded so recently, we have core founders who's work has touched every part of the modern industry, acting as foundation for much of it, but they're still here and still working.
@raghunc
@raghunc Жыл бұрын
Yes, they literally laid foundations to modern computer science
@pskocik
@pskocik 5 жыл бұрын
"One week, one week, one week and we had Unix." Damn, I need to speed up work on my software project! :D
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis 5 жыл бұрын
The secret is to start "confined", almost the the point of uselessness. _ALMOST_ to the point of uselessness ;)
@nicolareiman9687
@nicolareiman9687 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget his previous experiences on OS disgn.
@ahmadalwazzan384
@ahmadalwazzan384 3 жыл бұрын
the man was pumping assembly code faster than I write java script.
@ch33rfulness
@ch33rfulness Жыл бұрын
In one week, I barely manage to sketch a partial solution, after having spent 30 hours in useless meetings, where we’ve decided about what and how to decide… In a year, if I ignore the copy/paste/modify, I barely write 1k lines of code, after consulting Google, of course 😂
@flippert0
@flippert0 10 ай бұрын
Besides UNIX itself, pipes are probably the greatest general invention that came out of the UNIX development. The whole talk is amazing.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 10 ай бұрын
We are so glad that you liked it!
@casual.dojo.1
@casual.dojo.1 14 күн бұрын
I can't believe how laid-back Ken Thompson is in this talk. He’s got some incredible stories and truly is a living legend. Listening to the creator of UNIX makes me feel like anything is possible. I enjoyed this relaxed chat with a genius who's both self-effacing and humble.
@Blackknight12988
@Blackknight12988 2 жыл бұрын
This video is a gem. I hope it never gets taken down or made private. It is something every developer should watch just so they know what it means to be a developer
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Vintage Computer Federation intends to keep this up as long as we can.
@cannaroe1213
@cannaroe1213 10 ай бұрын
Have you considered OnlyFans? I've always wondered what those mainframes would look like with only the fans.
@an2qzavok
@an2qzavok 5 жыл бұрын
Step one: turn projector off Step two: shut down the notebook Step three: take out paper notes
@alexa.davronov1537
@alexa.davronov1537 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an Algorithm...
@MarquisDeSang
@MarquisDeSang 4 жыл бұрын
"We don't need that" about personal computer. inb4 mainframe masterrace.
@Cursedminecraftman
@Cursedminecraftman 4 жыл бұрын
MarquisDeSang These guys wouldn’t be proponents of mainframes, but mini computers.
@gloriascientiae7435
@gloriascientiae7435 4 жыл бұрын
Lol I am 26 but I still do a lot on paper. I guess its just a nice esthetic, but there are some pros to organizing things on paper. And I'm a programmer, so I definetly know how to organize large file collections on a PC.
@rustycherkas8229
@rustycherkas8229 3 жыл бұрын
Yes... Exactly what UNIX was meant to be: lean, mean, efficient and functional. It's like the joke about NASA spending $14million to develop a pen that works in zero-g while the Soviets just used pencils.
@КириллПальцев-ю1о
@КириллПальцев-ю1о 4 жыл бұрын
These guys are rock stars of computer science and yet they are so humble. I would love to see more interviews with both of them
@goldnutter412
@goldnutter412 10 ай бұрын
Graduated by accident.. 😂🤣
@cybergal99
@cybergal99 5 жыл бұрын
as someone who's made their living with Unix since 1989 and taught Unix at NYU for years .. LOVE THIS!
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it humbling to see these guys give it all out for free?
@alexa.davronov1537
@alexa.davronov1537 4 жыл бұрын
7:55 Getting started 11:00 Bell Labs: In Pursuit of Ken Thompson 17:11 Multics OS 21:13 Invention of Unix 23:40 "Funding Unix", Dennis Ritchie kicks in 29:27 The PDP-11 30:30 Pipes 35:07 Grep command 38:35 Language B 52:53 Moscow Trip Story
@kernelpanick636
@kernelpanick636 4 жыл бұрын
Not all heros wear capes
@somebodyelse9130
@somebodyelse9130 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Replying to boost this comment higher.
@kamilziemian995
@kamilziemian995 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Xrey274
@Xrey274 Жыл бұрын
Isn't it Brian Kernighan?
@MultiPetercool
@MultiPetercool Жыл бұрын
Does anyone else see the irony of the OS most associated with open source was developed to process patents? 😂
@AlejandroRodriguez-wt2mk
@AlejandroRodriguez-wt2mk 5 жыл бұрын
"i was 3 weeks away from creating a new OS", I have been learning how to open files for a year.
@n33to
@n33to 4 жыл бұрын
Alejandro Rodriguez true story haha. Computers are difficult.
@AlexanderTeterkin
@AlexanderTeterkin 3 жыл бұрын
In early eighties it was easier (for me in Russia) because there was no so many choices: for example if I wanted to make a fast game I had to use BIOS interrupts, so I had to find a documentation. Actually I couldn't, so I had to find people who know something about it. And I could find, I would learn from them, so finally I made fast games and other programs (sort of Midnight Commander and Fast Text Editor etc.).
@4Exp4
@4Exp4 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderTeterkin It was easier because people weren't spending time on pointless crap and methodologies but instead solved the real problems.
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderTeterkin Do you have a list of cool tech inventions you’ve built over the years?
@AlexanderTeterkin
@AlexanderTeterkin 3 жыл бұрын
@@1anre Sorry, I do not have such a list.
@imrank340
@imrank340 2 жыл бұрын
These guy truly a father of modern computer technology, in their own right command respect and perseverence, sadly Denis passed away, seeing these duo very satisfying.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It is wonderful to have these two together. It's too bad that Denis passed away before we could record them together.
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
I love how casually Ken Thompson just says he created an editor, an assembler & a kernel in under 3weeks for the UNIX operating system while his wife & child were away on holiday & @ 37:10, he hacked away and created the GREP program overnight, to present it to his boss the next day at work since he needed such a robust SEARCH tool, as if it’s not one of the most well known and most used command line tools even till date in 2021. That amount of humility and candor shown here by him, is astonishing. Meanwhile tiny KZbinrs that’ve just gotten into Google & Amazon and worked there as SWEs for a few years, will now come on here and be making it seem like they just dropped down from heaven and are above and beyond everyone else in the Tech Space.
@SaHaRaSquad
@SaHaRaSquad 2 жыл бұрын
"he hacked away and created the GREP program overnight" No, he didn't. He literally said he just fixed bugs for an hour or so because the boss asked him for a program that already existed on his harddrive. So he pretended like he wrote it in one night. And to be fair writing a line editor in one week is absolutely doable if you're a good programmer. Still, an absolute genius. I mean he basically invented regular expressions as we know them today.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
Yes. Ken did some amazing things!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
He is definitely is a genius who accomplished so much in this area!
@heavyaccept
@heavyaccept 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Ken Thompson's t-shirt: "ΕΠΙΤΕΛΟΥΣ ΤΟ ΚΑΤΑΛΑΒΑ!", meaning, "Finally, I get it!" or "Finally, I understand it!", and with this beard he looks like Archimedes! Usually, the computer geeks are people with no sense of humor, but in this case, this guy has a plenty of it! Anyway, a true genius, humble and funny guy.
@johnwolves2705
@johnwolves2705 Жыл бұрын
but can you explain the code below it 😂
@wattage
@wattage 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much for recording this interview in such high quality and for sharing it with us. I love hearing about Unix history and I have desperately been wanting to watch a proper interview with Ken Thompson. And to have this one given by his friend and colleague Brian Kernighan, in a comfortable setting surrounded by fellow geeks, was absolute magic. I could have listened to hours more. The story about Doug McIlroy made my jaw drop. Such fascinating gentlemen and such unparalleled intelligence. Really enjoyed it!
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
Are you a huge Linux proponent?
@wattage
@wattage 3 жыл бұрын
@@1anre Yes, Linux is great. I find the subject of operating systems really interesting. And hearing stories about Unix' origins directly from the guys who created it (like we have here in this video), now that's just fantastic!
@bharathkarkera3223
@bharathkarkera3223 3 жыл бұрын
Man agree to everything you told.. Unix is the best
@imranariffin2688
@imranariffin2688 5 жыл бұрын
Someone should make a movie out of this unix legend.
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
What would be a fitting title & who should play the roles of Ken Thompson, Brian Kernighan & Dennis Ritchie ?
@knoxduder
@knoxduder 7 ай бұрын
This wins at viewer comments for the month !
@m4heshd
@m4heshd 3 жыл бұрын
These guys are so humble that they completely avoid being in the trap of success paradox.
@goldnutter412
@goldnutter412 10 ай бұрын
First world privilege is the groupthink norm these days.. if you're alive you probably grew up in a relatively spoilt generation, I know I did.. parents gave us whatever we needed etc, no working in coal mines at age 8 for me
@karimmanaouil9354
@karimmanaouil9354 5 жыл бұрын
Hail and respect to our great masters and lords. They contributed over than 50 years of continuous and generous work for humanity: MULTICS, BCPL, UNIX, C, PLAN9, AWK, GO. How UNIX changed humanity can be compared to how Newton's classical mechanics changed the world or to how Alexander's Fleming Penicillin changed the history of biology and medical treatment.
@rmgnair
@rmgnair 3 жыл бұрын
Good comparison
@gli7utubeo
@gli7utubeo 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever happened to PLAN9 ? It was the buzz for a while in Murray Hill.
@squallleonhart6747
@squallleonhart6747 5 жыл бұрын
"I was a pretty good programmer"
@syahrulrozi8233
@syahrulrozi8233 4 жыл бұрын
"i was never good at math"
@emincanozcan4839
@emincanozcan4839 3 жыл бұрын
@@syahrulrozi8233 test
@russelveganeucleonps4plays820
@russelveganeucleonps4plays820 3 жыл бұрын
.DT.FTC.V_
@morpheus7422
@morpheus7422 2 жыл бұрын
More like "I just do stuff" 😁
@boxerfencer
@boxerfencer Ай бұрын
Well, I have heard testimonies from students at Berkeley who worked on it say that it was badly written, so much that they had to rewrite it almost entirely, and which I assume is why it gave the university of California the confidence to start BSDi, seeing as though they rewritten it and turned it into their own OS.
@wiilillad
@wiilillad 4 жыл бұрын
For being 77, Ken looks and sounds great. =)
@antoningavrel2808
@antoningavrel2808 4 жыл бұрын
23:11 "And luckily right at that moment my wife went on a 3 weeks vacation to take my one year old (roughly) to visit my in-laws who were in California, this period long, 1 week, 1 week, 1 week... and we had Unix"
@giorgiogrisetti4277
@giorgiogrisetti4277 2 жыл бұрын
I teach operating systems. My students have issues in closing their jaw when I reveal that some marketing person they worship did not know what program is. Yet they don't know who Dennis, Ken and Brian are. As a start , I subministered them this video. A healthy mixture of humbleness, competence and honesty. I hope this spirit will come back someday.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
It is hard to replicated the spirit of what was done in the "vintage computer" days.
@bluegtturbo
@bluegtturbo 5 жыл бұрын
It occurred to me watching this that there Ken seems to be cut from the same cloth as Steve Wozniak. Both men unambitious and seem to have a 'hippy' attitude, but extremely successful because they love what they do!
@hunternegron336
@hunternegron336 4 жыл бұрын
Seems almost paradoxical, but it's true :)
@soundofmusic94
@soundofmusic94 Жыл бұрын
this is what internet is for... what legends you had here.. thanks for sharing
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
Such awesome legends!
@germansnowman
@germansnowman 2 жыл бұрын
Oral history interviews like this one are pure gold. Thanks for preserving history for us!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
That is part of our mission to preserve the history of vintage computers. We are glad to record this for posterity.
@Elite7555
@Elite7555 5 жыл бұрын
Ken seems to be full of stories and I love it. Hoping to hear more of them.
@DominicRichens
@DominicRichens 9 ай бұрын
I remember at 19 seeing pipes and thinking it was brilliant. Probably used them almost weekly in the last 30 years, searching and reformatting output.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 9 ай бұрын
Yes. A great invention!
@burntt999
@burntt999 5 ай бұрын
idk why but i just love these guys... they are so damn chill. especially Ken. its like his brain is pulling so much energy his body and emotions are lagging
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 5 ай бұрын
@burntt999: He is the ultimate hippie nerd!
@marciomaiajr
@marciomaiajr 5 жыл бұрын
This is gold! I wish they had made the interview when Dennis Ritchie was still alive. Thanks so much for uploading it.
@tomahzo
@tomahzo 2 жыл бұрын
True, although there are some decent videos on YT from the Bell Labs vault where Dennis Richie and Ken Thompson and others are talking about these things. Here's one example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKC5goeGl6lpi7s . But, yeah, a fireside chat like this with Dennis Richie would've been great :).
@shirajsharma8085
@shirajsharma8085 5 жыл бұрын
three gods of Computer Science Dennis,Ken and Brian
@synen
@synen 3 жыл бұрын
Ada Lovelace as well.
@capoditutticapos19
@capoditutticapos19 2 жыл бұрын
@@synen lol
@zevnikov
@zevnikov 4 жыл бұрын
Living history. Men behind all our phones, tablets, all our modern Life. A true wizzard of the time. Hats off.
@bolnyaluo4601
@bolnyaluo4601 4 жыл бұрын
It is really inspiring to sit at the feet of these grand elders and be bathed in their experience. Its like being in a dream. Ritchie, Thompson, Kernighan.... are the World's apex of computer programming.
@asifchoudhuryca
@asifchoudhuryca Жыл бұрын
What an amazing 1 hour spent in the company of one of the brightest minds of the Computer industry: Ken T. , the creator of the UNIX with his loooong-time collaborator, Brian K.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
They have some fantastic stories. It was a privilege to have them come to our show. We are glad that you liked this video so much and your support for our organization. Please spread the word!
@youreale
@youreale Жыл бұрын
Two legends. Thank you VCF for preserving this.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome! We are glad that you enjoy it!
@tanishshrivastava2442
@tanishshrivastava2442 4 жыл бұрын
I really wanted Dennis to live longer, so I could watch him somewhere like this. Alas, we rarely get what we want.
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
Damn. Didn’t know he’s passed. What are your top inventions from him?
@tanishshrivastava2442
@tanishshrivastava2442 3 жыл бұрын
@@1anre Just one. c programming language, which serves as a foundation of various modern software to this day.
@sauravghosh8713
@sauravghosh8713 5 жыл бұрын
Ken Thompson is by far the ultimate geek.
@karimmanaouil9354
@karimmanaouil9354 5 жыл бұрын
You should have said: The greatest geek that has ever stepped on earth.
@1anre
@1anre 3 жыл бұрын
@@karimmanaouil9354 erm Steve Wozniak?
@gnupph
@gnupph 2 жыл бұрын
@@1anre wozniak’s technical contribution to the computing world is almost nothing compared to these legends
@1anre
@1anre 2 жыл бұрын
@@gnupph I won’t undermine Wozniak’s contribution though. These guys built some very good tech frameworks that we still use in servers and enterprise environment today but Wozniak was no slouch.
@ardalanahanchi3977
@ardalanahanchi3977 5 жыл бұрын
This interview is amazing! These guys are absolute legends in the computing world.
@panographic
@panographic 11 ай бұрын
Ken Thompson is a national treasure
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 11 ай бұрын
A very special guy!
@miyalys
@miyalys 4 жыл бұрын
34:24: "You type one two + and it would say 'four'. [..] I was never good at math" Honestly this is kinda nice to hear, you can be hugely successful and make gigantic contributions to computer science without being that good at math. I've felt for a long time, that logic is much more important in many CS areas.
@alexa.davronov1537
@alexa.davronov1537 4 жыл бұрын
You don't have to be good at math until you are trying to solve very specific problem benefiting you performance.
@AlexanderTeterkin
@AlexanderTeterkin 3 жыл бұрын
I think It was a joke. One does not simply program in Assembler.
@jaredteaches894
@jaredteaches894 3 жыл бұрын
He had a deep understanding of multivariable calculus and physics. When he says he’s not good, it’s more like, I’m not that good when compared to my math PhD peers.
@mrbananaman8032
@mrbananaman8032 2 жыл бұрын
Math is probably a "requirement" for CS more for its logic aspects. The only way Americans learn about traditional logic without a college course that focuses on it is during math class when you learn about things like the associative property and similar. If A is B and B is C, then A is C. It's a virtual skill somewhat similar to spatial reasoning. Now, it would be unfair to say some very advanced math isn't required, especially when it comes to 3d graphics and simulations. Anything that attempts to mimick reality or break through it.
@nieczerwony
@nieczerwony Жыл бұрын
This men did electrical engineering so don't think he was never good at math. 😅
@TheZindarod
@TheZindarod 5 жыл бұрын
I could have listened to this interview for hours.
@smcracraft
@smcracraft 5 жыл бұрын
Sat in Ken's office at Google one Sunday when I started at Apple under Jobs. It was a fun visit. Been doing Unix since v6 and receiving Ken's tapes at Stanford Research Institute for my machines plus all the chess tests we did on the phone for Belle. Also got a nice kudo from dmr regarding a C program I wrote. A fond memory. The above interview is worthy. Also chatted with Brian about his recent book on Golang.... never chatted with Doug M. Pipes are my favorite feature to this day. I was lucky because I had access to all the OS and apps source code of v6. Spent a lot of time pouring through that code. Cool interview VCF!!!
@andrewsharpe2587
@andrewsharpe2587 5 жыл бұрын
Rather a lot of name-dropping, but good for you, and I'm glad you were able to work with these folks
@aceflamez00
@aceflamez00 5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap a Ken interview, I've been waiting so long
@seandavidniemann4563
@seandavidniemann4563 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@argonwheatbelly637
@argonwheatbelly637 5 жыл бұрын
Always a great storyteller. It's been decades since I've seen him, and Dennis, and Lorne... Great memories!
@dogriffiths
@dogriffiths 5 жыл бұрын
I could listen to these men all week
@felipevaldes9168
@felipevaldes9168 5 жыл бұрын
08:20 is when the interview start
@proshadu606
@proshadu606 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you frind
@erdi.demiroz
@erdi.demiroz 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend
@tanveerhasan2382
@tanveerhasan2382 4 жыл бұрын
bless your heart
@alexa.davronov1537
@alexa.davronov1537 4 жыл бұрын
1:03:50 is where it sadly ends.
@FilipBekic01
@FilipBekic01 5 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite interview on KZbin so far.
@tjoleary8738
@tjoleary8738 Жыл бұрын
Amazing...I could listen to Ken's stories all day long!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
He had a lot of entertaining stories about all sorts of topics!
@gaius_enceladus
@gaius_enceladus 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful stuff! It's a pity that Dennis Ritchie has passed away but it's awesome to see everyone else here!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. We would have loved them all to be together at the same time.
@tomahzo
@tomahzo 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing storyteller! I thought that would be merely interesting from a technical standpoint and have interesting nuggets of information but that was positively captivating. Curiously enough the man's got solid comedic timing too. I did NOT expect that from him. I could easily sit there through three hours of more stories like that - the session ended way too quickly!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Oftentimes the most brilliant people like him are talented in many different ways.
@waldmatias
@waldmatias 3 жыл бұрын
PRICELESS and INVALUABLE. If only we had similar talent, no-BS, drive-to-create and innovate in our time. They wanted something, they were going to find a way to make it happen... priceless how honest they say how they ripped-off Bell to bring UNIX to life, but even while doing it, they helped other teams and people with their own projects and tasks.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@g4mbt
@g4mbt 9 ай бұрын
We need a Bell Labs movie. So much came out of there that withstood the test of time and take it for granted today.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 9 ай бұрын
A movie or a documentary that goes over the entire history, discoveries and people involved with so many innovative and breakthrough technologies.
@homtom2
@homtom2 4 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Ken talk for hours
@theMuritz
@theMuritz 2 жыл бұрын
What a joy, to listen to this immortal legend of a geek and his „geekdom“ anecdotes. Marvelous …
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It was a rare and humble experience to have him come and talk to us.
@RideGasGas
@RideGasGas 5 жыл бұрын
Great interview, thanks for arranging it, recording, and posting.
@AliMirjamali
@AliMirjamali 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the video. I am grateful for being able to listen to these guys.
@mikemargerum6441
@mikemargerum6441 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Ken, Rob, and Robert for Go! Great stories and, as, always, smart people are always so humble.
@chemaguerra1635
@chemaguerra1635 3 жыл бұрын
Considering how hugely influential they've been, it is amazing to see how down to earth and humble they are.
@tomahzo
@tomahzo 2 жыл бұрын
Their focus is on the right thing and they are motivated by the right goals. Just the love of this tech and what it can accomplish.
@morpheus7422
@morpheus7422 2 жыл бұрын
You can't succeed in software if you decide to be proud
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
So true!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
We agree!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
Yes. Ego gets in the way.
@AFerreiraV
@AFerreiraV 3 жыл бұрын
This was a "magical" moment with living legends in the history of computing.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@alexa.davronov1537
@alexa.davronov1537 4 жыл бұрын
I can listen to both of them like... forever.
@tjoleary8738
@tjoleary8738 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian and Evan for facilitating this!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
It was a great and rare talk!
@tjoleary8738
@tjoleary8738 Жыл бұрын
@@vcfederation Would have been fantastic if Dennis Ritchie was there, as well! The three legends!
@Seeker-ud6em
@Seeker-ud6em 8 ай бұрын
I’m literally having my job and my whole life around tech, because of these legends
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 8 ай бұрын
They have no idea how much their contributions positively affected people's lives.
@michaelbauers8800
@michaelbauers8800 7 ай бұрын
Wow, this is one of the greatest computer science related videos I have seen. I started with UNIX late 1980s or something. And worshipped the simple ideas behind it, and thought, these people were smart, they knew what to leave out. Amazing seeing some of my idols in a video! I should see if there's a video soley focused on the Belle chess system. Partly developed by Ken Thompson.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@mitchelvalentino1569
@mitchelvalentino1569 5 жыл бұрын
Truly incredible. Thank you very much for uploading this video.
@TheGagi82
@TheGagi82 3 жыл бұрын
The greatest people are the humbler ones
@kevinforth7618
@kevinforth7618 Жыл бұрын
This was fantastic, and brought back a lot of memories from the 1970s. Thanks so much for posting this.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome. This is our most popular video. Very rare opportunity to hear his story.
@Nettlebed7
@Nettlebed7 Жыл бұрын
My heroes! I know Kernighan from "The Elements of Programming Style" (Kernighan & Plauger). PDP8 was my first, then PDP 11. My teacher left a window unlocked so that I could program those computers during the night without crossing the lasers of the alarm zone.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
LOL! Such a fun story!
@ernstraedecker6174
@ernstraedecker6174 5 жыл бұрын
On his T-shirt it says: "epitelous to katalaba", meaning: "finally I get it" (.. have understood it..)
@rafaelveggi
@rafaelveggi 5 жыл бұрын
thanks, captain
@nealmcb
@nealmcb 5 жыл бұрын
Ken's t-shirt is visible at @11:21 and contains both that quote (in Greek) ΕΠΙΤΈΛΟΥΣ ΚΑΤΆΛΑΒΑ (epitelous katalaba) and also the infamous snippet of the code that did context switching in Unix. See more at thenewstack.io/not-expected-understand-explainer/ on how the comment above that code actually says "You are Not Expected to Understand This", probably the most famous comment in the history of Unix.
@CommodoreAmiga
@CommodoreAmiga 2 жыл бұрын
I could sit and listen for hours!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I agree!
@3145mimosa
@3145mimosa 4 жыл бұрын
I like every single moment of this interview - Ken Thompson is so inspiring!
@lucasb3h3m0th
@lucasb3h3m0th 4 жыл бұрын
So much love and respect for these men!
@ndundu3338
@ndundu3338 2 жыл бұрын
No word, just good to see these two legends stay healthy
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. We were glad that they were able to come and talk about their time working on UNIX.
@henrysmith9725
@henrysmith9725 3 жыл бұрын
I knew Kernighan was a good story-teller from Computerphile, but Thompson is great as well.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
Both are great story tellers!
@nazavode
@nazavode 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this piece of history of computing. I'm so glad the foundations of what we use today were laid out by these brilliant minds striving for elegance and simplicity.
@ClintPachl
@ClintPachl 5 жыл бұрын
Wish this was 10 more hours.
@nathanhenry2747
@nathanhenry2747 5 жыл бұрын
kind of a shame that the talk couldn't go longer. I very much enjoyed it though and I hope that Ken Thompson can come back at a later festival.
@ryanarborist
@ryanarborist 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this in person. It was standing room only by the time I got there. I remember Ken at one point saying 34:35 "I was never good at math." I'd been going to VCF East for a few years at this point, I'm sad I missed it in 2020. One guy at VCF East has an Altair 8800 and AM radio that plays Daisy picking up the CPU cycles.
@billymania11
@billymania11 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that Ken was human. I figured he originated from another planet. I'm kidding. In this interview he came across as a warm and wonderful person and it was a pleasure to hear his description of how Unix came to be. It was a fascinating story.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. If you never met him, then you would think that he was a hippy robot or something. Very personable and interesting person!
@adulate
@adulate 6 ай бұрын
insane achievement. that level of productivity is only attained when you're attuned to the subject at a soul level.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 6 ай бұрын
It's rare genius like this that amazes us!
@trichomaxxx
@trichomaxxx 8 ай бұрын
I could've listened for longer, great conversation!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 8 ай бұрын
Yes! Such interesting an conversation!
@patux
@patux 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing to see and hear these legends together again.
@NordicFrog
@NordicFrog 3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty incredible how sharp these guys still are in their old age.
@yafz
@yafz 3 жыл бұрын
Doug McIlroy, mnown for having originally proposed Unix pipelines and developed several Unix tools, such as spell, diff, sort, join, graph, speak, and tr, is almost 90 years old and I remember him giving a talk a about Haskell programming and math a few years ago. These guys are really special!
@rio-kt7ut
@rio-kt7ut 7 ай бұрын
i'm too obsessed with the history of unix, getting excited/frustrated when little things are skipped over. The name for grep comes from the ed commands, g/re/p (global / regular expression search / and print). So great relaxing to Ken Thompson and bwk talk about this history, could sit and listen for hours
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 ай бұрын
So true! We could listen to him for hours!
@frogringtone
@frogringtone Жыл бұрын
Could have easily watched 5 more hours of this!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Жыл бұрын
Yeah. This was really fun. I wish he would agree to come back, but he doesn't make many public appearances!
@cthekoz
@cthekoz 4 жыл бұрын
As an old man pro dev, I think this is extraordinary.
@darta1094
@darta1094 5 жыл бұрын
Amazingly nice and free people were creating amazing things at that time
@tsconn23
@tsconn23 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is great! I'd never heard of this conference before but I have now!
@rmgnair
@rmgnair 4 жыл бұрын
It's quite amazing, how Ken tell stories, and how humbly many things like the evolution of UNIX, GREP, etc. etc. Real genius quite unassuming. Kernigan too. I don't know whether Dennis Ritche was alive at the time of this interview👌👌👌👌
@smorrow
@smorrow 4 жыл бұрын
He wasn't.
@The.Chiefman
@The.Chiefman 5 жыл бұрын
How sad this interview only goes for 1 hour ... I could listen to Ken and Brian talking for days. Great work putting this event together, Great job and thank you !!
@EricsEdgeVideos
@EricsEdgeVideos 2 жыл бұрын
Three years later and it still holds up!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@commandershepard1944
@commandershepard1944 4 жыл бұрын
We need more Ken Thompson
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