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[@qqir]

Gonna grab these right now!

[@pgtmr2713]

How's the alignment on the Lotus?

[@gcKukie]

Supergramps track night?

[@BigFellaGames]

Black Friday? Do we celebrate Thanksgiving in Australia now? Or are you having a sale in remembrance of the 1939 Victorian bush fires that killed 71 people? Instead of implementing an American tradition, why not call it something more Australian like the Start of Summer Sale?

[@shred1894]

Managing weight-transfer and center of gravity is a lot more important in mid-engined cars, look up trail braking and how to deal with liftoff/braking oversteer.

[@Macchickenboy]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate that these lads are filming, editing, making original music, entertaining and also taking the time to interact with their viewers in the comments. Absolute legends! Much love to you fellas!

[@Researcher83]

That's what KZbinrs are meant to do. ✌🏻

[@bubot17]

well said

[@fakeclanAbaddon]

Do you know the song in the background at the end?

[@Nath93_]

Hear Hear !!

[@Quweezer]

Mad respect 🙌

[@rucarnuts13]

“Ye who loses oil shall summon the rods.” - Compression 8.7:1

[@similaritiesendhere]

Thus spaketh the Lord.

[@scalemodelandrestomodproje3925]

shouldnt be " ye who loses oil shall throw the first rod "

[@PaulRosenow]

@@similaritiesendhere Combusten

[@_Zekken]

This is a religion I can get behind

[@similaritiesendhere]

@@PaulRosenow Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's power/weight ratio in a Subaru. Lol

[@IsntThisFANCY]

Marty’s face after he heard the rod knock made my heart sink. It looked like he was trying so hard to keep tears back

[@banjopete]

, Cuppa concrete.

[@Habeev07]

EVO > WRX. The 4G63 is the GOAT 4 cylinder.

[@thatoneguy3112]

"Cylinder 2 has left the chat"

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

Good, it was acting sus.

[@Dj1khk1ghe4]

Maybe 4 Cylinder )

[@J-VT]

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever laughed this hard while trying to take a shit.

[@modelnutty6503]

I'd give a thumbs up but its at 187, aka Marty murdered his engine.

[@MrBennyweb]

That's actually number 3

[@GearSeekers]

That spin made me sit up in my chair. Glad you're safe mate

[@yeahnah6468]

How Moog handled the car after the spin needs to be addressed as it's really dangerous, but it's all part of learning. This is a perfect example of why you need to just slam and hold the brakes in once you've spun and are completely out of control. Otherwise your car can move in an unpredictable way for the drivers behind you. Like in this case it could have caused a crash as your car rolls back into the path of the cars behind. If you just slam on the brakes once you're past the point of no return, at least then the cars movement will travel along a straight vector because the wheels are all locked up and not rolling which would allow a change in direction. This is a crucial thing for circuit racing, once you're out of control you just need to make your cars movement as predictable as possible for the other drivers so they can avoid you easily. Flat spots on your tyres are a lot better than two or more smashed up cars.

[@asphtherogue]

@Gear Seekers didn't know you were a fan! Also didn't think it was possibly for my respect of your channel to go up any further, but you found a way haha :)

[@veritasiumaequitasius3530]

@@yeahnah6468 No, slamming the brakes is definitely not the best especially in a rear-heavy car. They J-hook and do the old Porsche eccentric ellipse spin instead of circles. They tend to slide rear-first if you stop the spin. I've owned a very similar mid-engine for decades. They are different.

[@timm.6391]

That could've been much worse... you had luck there dude.

[@JifeLacket]

@@yeahnah6468 This

[@baldysquattro]

Moog needs a track day with an instructor or one of the lotus guys then he'll be able to see what his car can do.

[@lupesalomon4012]

That car is way to loose in the rear setup for tiny track .it need a stiffer setup to keep better control Moog can drive we have seen it on many occasions.

[@SportbikerNZ]

Once it was set up right, no problems as the latest vid shows.

[@imnota]

Moog definitely isn't a race car driver, but he's a pretty fn good driver and the problem is definitely the car, he's not just a couple of seconds off the pace, he's 10s off the pace and has a serious grip problem, it's more than a driver issue.

[@NateRockmans]

@@imnota truhh

[@DeepPastry]

I'm totes just saying this cause I've seen later episodes, but the car is nose up and bottom down for cruising over speedbumps. It should be nose down and ass up for track. Lotus guys were probably looking at all the other pieces and missed that bit.

[@charlieposey5078]

And just like that, Moog meets his latest rival - lift-off oversteer.

[@misery13666]

That's exactly what it is. The bane of mid engine/rear engine cars.

[@mitchbuchannon6637]

And short wheel base fwds like the 205gti, Solution, just don't lift 😅

[@-tr0n]

@@mitchbuchannon6637 at least with FWD all you need to do is put your foot down again. It's a blessing for hard driving. Lift to rotate, mash to straighten.

[@SpacemanXC]

@@misery13666 I've spent a lot of time with an MR2 on dirt roads and if you know how to use the lift oversteer it's actually a lot of fun. I wouldn't call it a bane at all.

[@duanebailey6253]

Dont forget the trail braking into the turn to really help it snap.

[@lukewheeler4888]

*When moog spins and sees a wall of track cars coming towards him* “CODE BROWN!”

[@andyarmstrong5378]

Thats why he wore brown pants....can't see a code brown still smells though

[@YellowMoto7]

🤣

[@jordanaraujo2579]

I know I felt it just watching him.

[@yeahnah6468]

How Moog handled the car after the spin needs to be addressed as it's really dangerous, but it's all part of learning. This is a perfect example of why you need to just slam and hold the brakes in once you've spun and are completely out of control. Otherwise your car can move in an unpredictable way for the drivers behind you. Like in this case it could have caused a crash as your car rolls back into the path of the cars behind. If you just slam on the brakes once you're past the point of no return, at least then the cars movement will travel along a straight vector because the wheels are all locked up and not rolling which would allow a change in direction. This is a crucial thing for circuit racing, once you're out of control you just need to make your cars movement as predictable as possible for the other drivers so they can avoid you easily. Flat spots on your tyres are a lot better than two or more smashed up cars.

[@MyBiach]

hang it all!!

[@davespiros]

I genuinely saw Marty's heart break, feels man EDIT, then Moogs heart broke when he heard it too

[@nateolmsted22]

"Is it Rodney??" 😂 A lot of mixed emotions on this episode lol

[@user-dj1hy6zc6q]

I think that I would just drop the pan, look for the loose one, throw in a new bearing shell, and hope for the best. No need to pull the whole engine out and tear it down, unless you find something really bad. Push your luck and have the car ready for the track by the end of the week. If the crank is ruined, it's ruined. No harm making it worse. You can get away with a lot of damage for a long time. A lot of cars have a lot of damage which naturally occurred, and they are running just fine every day without anyone even knowing that the damage exists.

[@brly4542]

If it had started to knock over time from daily driving you might get away with that. A highly boosted engine getting that bad of a rod knock instantly at high rpm/high heat is pretty much going to be toast.

[@codywolfordify]

I cant beleive Marty can keep his spirits up when he blew up. If it where me I don't think there would be enough bleeps in the world to show the video.

[@Shiver2002]

You can literally see the moment Martys heart rips in half.

[@statue999]

You see the "oh I hope not" then the "I hope it's something simple" then the "no it defiantly is"

[@asphtherogue]

Proper sad :(

[@ImAussieMate]

Yeah, it's heartbreaking

[@haszielgonzalez128]

The disappointment on both their faces when the cylinder left the chat, broke my heart💔

[@runnersp1985]

“So much less speed than the BRZ.” A sentence never heard before.

[@mouaxiong8618]

I think the lotus might be a regret for Moogs purchase. He's scared and not enjoying it as much as the brz. Someone who's scared to drive around with their car won't be getting its full potential. Plus it's dangerous. And moog is not a scared dude to push things around. Nor is he a bad driver. Novice with some track experiences for sure.

[@Te1ecastermaster]

@@mouaxiong8618 judging how he spun both times tells me he isn't used to mid engined cars with a low polar moment of inertia. He's been used to plow understeer when you get things wrong. LOTUS half jokingly translate to Lift Of Throttle U Spin. Those cars require a completely different driving technique.

[@fastinradfordable]

Brz can change momentum easy. That’s why it was built. With rear weight you pick momentum. Once. Learn that and you can use It for your benefit.

[@TravisFabel]

@@Te1ecastermaster Yes it's really hard to go from performance front engine to performance mid or rear engine. The first season I raced a Porsche, I actually crossed the finish line backwards once. I managed to spin on the corner right before the finish. It was better to stick it in reverse and get out of the way of the cars than it was to try to turn around.

[@HeavyMetalorRockfan9]

@@Te1ecastermaster Alternatively its Lots Of Trouble. Usually Serious. Hell even in a front-mid like an rx8 the easiest way to get the car to let go with its low torque figures is to lift-off because its technically front-mid engined

[@BrutalDongshart]

The look on Marty's face at 13:01 broke my heart. I know that feeling.

[@tezzrterry7485]

Brought a tear to his eyes.

[@dantediss1]

Serious Moog is like a completely different person

[@willo3252]

He does look like some swagger has drained out of him. Chin up mate, get back out there and show the Lotus who's boss

[@skylined5534]

@@willo3252 *The Lotus:* *"YOUR SOUL IS MINE!"*

[@willo3252]

@@skylined5534 Too funny.

[@NateRockmans]

@@skylined5534 shut up

[@adamm9903]

There's an LS powered E30 in the MCM fleet, take that to the track

[@Frost640]

That car needs an insane amount of work to get it set up for track use, it would be good but it needs work.

[@xaviergalaxy3]

In this episode of MCM, we bought a towtruck!

[@skylined5534]

Hey, if roadkill can...

[@xaviergalaxy3]

I do think it will benefit them. Not only for this track days, but when they buy the sight-on-seen nuggets 🤣

[@skylined5534]

@@xaviergalaxy3 I'd love my own tow truck to be honest 😁

[@hywel4767]

When did they buy it? I must have missed that 😂

[@xaviergalaxy3]

They haven't...yet🤣

[@noahjohnston2577]

Needs a baffled sump my mate had this issue racing subies, went through 3 motors in 3 weeks lol

[@ArosaMike]

Probably didn’t help that it sounds like he hit about 9 grand on a couple of downshifts!

[@fedzalicious]

Does that Suby have any sort of oil cooling? Most stock engines aren't made for racing. I've learnt this the hard way.

[@noahjohnston2577]

@@ArosaMike HARD haha

[@noahjohnston2577]

@@fedzalicious yeah man just a 10 row behined the bumper

[@noahjohnston2577]

@@fedzalicious the version 8 sti motors seem to be pretty fuken strong if you just want to get out there and thrash it, still wouldn't recommend tho

[@robbymccool7213]

Moogs fighting mid engine driving dynamics harddddd. It’s such a different world, and I wouldn’t want to be stuck on an advance day in mid engine for the first time either 😅 scary stuff

[@p00pie]

i have a midengine honda accord v12 with nos and im better than him at the track strip

[@benschillchannel8335]

@@p00pie what

[@paperboy725]

@@p00pie o ya?

[@removeableskull7446]

@@p00pie so you drag the accord? Moog was a a track with turns bud

[@TheStuntastik]

@@p00pie wat

[@amdakuma883]

You can see Marty’s heart breaking, it’s so sad

[@myownsite]

Nothing a lil Skid Factory treatment won't fix.

[@negativeindustrial]

@@myownsite For real. I wish they’d book a month in Al’s garage for each of these cars.

[@myownsite]

@@negativeindustrial "Marty needed hooking up with a more reliable engine, so we're sticking in a twin turbo 1GZ-FE"

[@chrono1975]

My heart broke with him, 5000 miles after a fresh rebuild on my xt rodney showed up.

[@barsaf9989]

Moog's lotus looks like it has a ton of body roll when turning left.

[@squishyxout]

His weight on the right side stiffens up the suspension on that side.

[@raynman6466]

@@squishyxout that's doesn't make sense....

[@EliteJovenAgent]

@@raynman6466 That means they did not tune the suspension to compensate Moog's weight. Very crucial if you have a serious track car

[@raynman6466]

@@EliteJovenAgent if his weight on the right side stiffens up the right side suspension that won't equal increased body roll when turning left

[@raynman6466]

@@gearbanginentertainment7476 hmm I guess it would in theory since if strenghthens the connectiong with both sides. I doubt it would be a visually noticeable amount through as the outside corner would have to move a great does to make the inside corner also move

[@nikolaikola8925]

"He who is without oil shall throw the first rod" - Compression 8.7:1

[@leonbarnes1402]

hahahahaha

[@iDrive4fun93]

😂😂😂😂

[@philtrumble]

this made me laugh harder than I should have

[@viktorspeiser8591]

That's gold mate :D

[@veritasiumaequitasius3530]

B-b-b-but Subaru legendary reliability. 😂 (Legendary for doing exactly this)

[@GortPredator]

It's good to see lotus employees having a really fun time with this too

[@stvtcmusic]

Thats just normal procedure

[@rossgirven5163]

They work for lotus... how could they not be having fun!

[@Tyler-ts2ld]

Been watching since the beginning, and I feel both of the car guy emotions here. The look of Marty’s heart sinking with the knock, and the feeling of crushed confidence with Moog’s spin. Man. What an episode.

[@recognizereal7ify]

I love you guys so much. I just had this moment of realization... You two have so much more than a car channel here. I've been watching since the FIRST videos on mums garage, and I've always had the same feeling every video. It only gets better to be honest. It's a feeling of just absolute relaxation, I'm zoned in and for the 20 or whatever minutes I'm watching... I'm at bliss. All the problems in my life are gone, between the two of you, the cars, and the music, I am just happy. I'd be here forever because it's actually quite hard to explain so I'll just end it here, and say... Thank-You.

[@mightycarmods]

Thanks Zac, glad to have you along for the ride!

[@caleb7257]

Yeah so much this, they've done such a good job. Even when it goes wrong, they make a really engaging and positive video to watch, with some feels in the middle. It hits the same as a really good movie or book, but it just keeps giving each new video.

[@Syncopia]

Can't beat two friends having a great time!

[@dr.swaster8763]

Same here. Love seeing you both develop throughout the years

[@Seedyrom247]

Moog: spun so many times he lost his bearings. Marty: lost his bearings pointing straight ahead.

[@TS-STORM]

that is fucking gold i spat my coffee out thanks to you lmfao

[@adroitcaptor]

Brutal

[@npbevo]

That's brilliant

[@darkdaedriclordgaming5830]

best comment ever

[@jamest2544]

Marty: spun his bearings

[@paulouy8996]

"getting chpped by an evo" I felt marty smiled a little bit

[@Norgrove.]

Y'all need a towing stamp.... like a coffee card. Every 5th tow free.

[@DkpProductions]

Gonna tow that Subaru with a Lotus? haha

[@skylined5534]

Imagine if Roadkill did that towing stamp card? They'd have more free tows than cars!

[@SpartanOfLuxon]

I've always loved how raw the videos are. You two could easily edit every video to make you seem like a world class mechanic and the next michael schumacher but instead you leave in the mistakes.

[@Motti22]

Agreed, I love that. Been watching for years and they didn't lose that "Working in Martys Mums Driveway"-Vibe.

[@elreyyakko]

Felt so bad for marty,he truly looked like he wanted to cry. And poor moog, his confidence is shot with that lotus, first time out,but he looks and sounds scared of it. Ya'll be back boys, waiting patiently for the triumph!

[@astletruscott6291]

*Today on mcm Marty blows away his lap record and also meets old rodney and moog takes a spin class*

[@driftmotion]

Read that in Clarkson voice lol

[@getchasome6230]

Oof

[@samg6472]

"Is that Rodney?" Holy shit I lost it.

[@danielnelson4881]

He's just so serious, and completely concerned.. as he straight faced and worriedly asks Marty: 😲 Is it Rodney!? Without even skipping a *BEAT* after that Subie fires up. Fucking GOLD is what that was homie! hahaha.

[@Danielism]

Take a shot everytime Moog blinks while talking to Marty about the rod knock 😂

[@Tim_Vicious]

i"m now dead. thanks

[@peakbernard08]

15:23 , the sadness in Moog’s eyes ! Haha poor guy

[@paulgallagher1681]

Look who’s back, back again. Rodney’s back tell a friend.

[@oliveperry2327]

"Cylinder 2 has left the chat"

[@skylined5534]

@@oliveperry2327 Cylinder 4 is like "well screw him, if he's going I'm off too".

[@matthewgenery6790]

Think about the purity! Classic Rexy

[@imouse3246]

"Knock knock, who's there?" Guess who.

[@lovesh8950]

@@imouse3246 piston 2

[@kage7785]

Regardless of Moogs confidence etc, its a testament to BRZ's punching above their weight on the track. Pretty impressive how good the chassis is for the price.

[@MrWilliam.Stewart]

"Engine in the front, gearbox in the middle, drive going to the rear, page one chapter one of the petrosexual handbook" Clarkson, circa 2011

[@abnormallynormal8823]

This was in regards to an Aston, right?

[@fastinradfordable]

Yeah but fwd doesn’t spin you out. Just slow down a little. Slow down a little in a lotus Youbass ackwarda

[@TravisFabel]

@@fastinradfordable front wheel drive doesn't spin you out, it just has you go straight in the line off the fucking track.... or spinning off to the side because you have to pitch in the car so damn much. It requires more commitment for the same speed, meaning you're either going slower and remaining as safe as the guy going faster or you're going just as fast but you're not as safe... It's inferior in every way.

[@OkSharkey]

still hope his kids go blind

[@OkSharkey]

it's a joke, like on top gear

[@UocLv]

Knock knock "who's there?" "Cylinder 4!"

[@generalguilmon6719]

"Knock knock" "Who's there?" "Cylinder 2" "Cylinder 2 who?" "Cylinder *2 bad, you just blew up the engine!* "

[@joshnjade3728]

The majority of the ppl that have bad laps or spin outs would most likely not show it. Much appreciated to show ppl that everyone has bad days but the main reason is to go out and have fun. Thanks guys for entertaining us (the audience).

[@etatsopa]

16:20 Moog if you turn your hat around it has this thing on it that will keep the sun out of your eyes 😂

[@Ravenousjoe]

*blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink*

[@lindsaybrown5897]

I think its more the hair out the way than the sun he cares about

[@gruggerduggerhoose]

Moog *spins directly in front of the pack Me *violent clenching Marty *grenades the sti Me *am cri

[@mightycarmods]

Yes it was not a good day

[@gruggerduggerhoose]

@@mightycarmods reminded me of the day the turbo on my golf exploded and i had to hunt for a fire extinguisher in asda en route home 😂😂

[@phuzz00]

From the title of the video though I was expecting someone crashing. Kudos to all those drivers behind Moog, for avoiding him after his little spin.

[@flutterguy965]

@@mightycarmods You didn't crash though and a bearing (if no further damage happened) is still managable. That could have been a much worse day.

[@evilspoons]

@@mightycarmods I saw that spin-out and then was anxiety-clenched for the rest of the video, sort of like when you're at the dentist or whatever.. and I wasn't even in the damn car. I can understand why you were talking about lost confidence.

[@BeyOss69]

Moog’s reaction 15:10 onwards the sad look turning away from the camera to me is genuine friendship his whole demeanour says he’s devastated for his friend, true friendship is sharing in the highs and the lows the whole MCM experience of being in it together with your mates for the good and the bad

[@colin_g]

Marty's realtime reaction to the rodknock killed me

[@Alonsel3]

I couldn't stop laughing

[@ImTheJoker4u]

Been there😬

[@smolwavingsnail9028]

Moog looked so defeated. I just wanted to give him a hug and tell him everything will be alright

[@skylined5534]

He actually looked more upset than Marty!

[@TomEnduro]

Should be: Ride Height 120mm front and rear (measure it from the sill to the ground just behind the front wheel and just in front of the rear wheel) Camber front -0.3 rear -1.8 (add more if using track rubber) Toe front 0mm rear 1.5 in Caster +3.8 Make sure you tyres are good and are running the correct pressures. Enjoy!

[@HighDefBNG]

Rev matching will help your stability, lap times and clutch life.

[@redeyerob2176]

Yea, especially a mid engine car, you can get away with shift locking a 4wd alot more so then a mid engine car

[@Pandamonium004]

Tears were shed when the sti started knocking :'( Really hope to see it live on again stronger than ever and for Moog to learn the Lotus. Its great that you guys include the failures along with the accomplishments, actual legends! :D

[@ClunieGarage]

Kudos guys for actually being out there and having a go with a car with some horsepower. It is intimidating and driving a powerful car fast takes commitment and practice. Dont listen to the haters!

[@patrickfargie1146]

This is raw, true emotion right here. Moog, you just need to learn the car man! Tires might be an issue.

[@liamcooper5202]

And dont lift

[@danielnelson4881]

Guys... Lifting/braking in a corner is unstable in any car. Moog isn't an idiot, he's driven many cars on many tracks. Dude wasn't just unsure of his abilities in a new setup to him... He was downright terrified and lacked any confidence whatsoever in his ability to get that vehicle around a corner. In a car that's supposed to be one of the best handling and most fun drivers cars there is, you're telling me it wouldn't inspire some kind of confidence in it's driver because of its ability? Is a car that feels like a Toyota Camry with four spares/donuts for wheels, while driving on ice, the whole time around a track... But manages good lap times in spite of the terrifying feeling of instability.. Really a good car? I mean honestly. If a cars fast it should feel fast.. There's something not right with his Lotus... That's where my money's at.

[@bavomaes]

He is running Yokohama Advan AD08R if i saw correctly Which are really good tires Could try Nankang AR-1 or Toyo R8888-R but they will be similar in dry handeling He just needs to get used to the different layout and feel of a mid engine grippy car

[@liamcooper5202]

@@bavomaes yeah he needs to learn to not lift in a corner. Its maintain throttle for MR and RR cars.he has to unlearn all the FR driving style. Its simple but takes time.

[@reecedrury4145]

@@bavomaes yeah they are AD08R. Tyres are really good and come up to temp quick. Unless they are the AD08RS. Heard nothing but bad about the R replacement

[@SpuddyLlama]

When you seen the Evo puff smoke and pointed out it's the norm I also thought about how surprised I was that I hadn't seen any Subarus fly past you and shoot a rod or something... A few laps later *taptaptap*

[@isaks3243]

what's most probably the problem with the lotus is the tuning on the swaybars. if you loose grip like that in every corner do you either have too stiff swaybars in the rear or too loose swaybars in the front. so just try to do both, loosen up the rear and tighten up the front and you will feel a huge difference, only problem doing it this way is that you may get bad understeer instead, and if you do can you do the same thing in reverse but less than you did initially and you can get it just right. by having softer swaybars do you increase the grip on that axle, and by stiffening up the swaybars do you loose grip on that axle.

[@F7INN]

The pain in Marty's eyes! I felt that

[@RevansDad]

Pull the RS out of the garage and RUN IT!✌

[@collinklitz7434]

Or the E30

[@NSPOOL]

Focus RS gets run regularly by the crew

[@lucasvanloo3415]

I'd prefer if they'd pull out the RX7 ;D

[@brandonar868]

@@NSPOOL not on the track, or does it?

[@NSPOOL]

@@brandonar868 sometimes track, sometimes mountain passes, sometimes gravel!

[@grahamhaynes7658]

When you rebuild the STI get a Roger Clarke Motorsport group N baffled sump and pickup on it.

[@tkegger21]

Marty: *beats personal record* What did it cost? Marty: Knock-knock

[@tamus101]

I think you guys should do a pro driver training course on that circuit. The amount you guys are there, it would be a massive benefit and would be entertaining to watch!

[@weaksignal8009]

They really do need to go out with instructors. In the states BMWCCA and the PCA have instruction track days on the regular. 5 groups: 1-3 with instruction, 4 w/o, 5 allows passing (usa=lawyers...)

[@winstonsmasterplan]

I totally agree, moog was dwarfed by the lotus and you can see the mistakes he was making while cornering, it not fun to watch capable cars being driven by novices

[@cordes85]

I was gonna mention that driving, whilst not taking the racing line from the edge of the chicane to the next, and when to apply power, and use less braking.

[@user-dn3yk2qu7f]

@@cordes85 Even the position of his hands on the wheel

[@98snakehorse]

I work for Musco which is the company that manufactured the new lighting system at the track. Very proud to see how nice it turned out.

[@jamiewatto3632]

_Lift-off oversteer has entered the chat_

[@danielgarcia-dt7fy]

Why dose the car do that I would love to get all nerdy on why it's doing that

[@lindsaybrown5897]

@@danielgarcia-dt7fy because lifting off transfers all the weight to the nose of the car and makes the tail light and want to slide in a corner also being a super short distance from back to front does not help. In a scoobie AWD you can get notorious understeer but ive always found going full throttle allows you to power slide nicely as long as you have enough track to do that. Of course the aim of the game is to not break traction for a better time around the track.

[@danielgarcia-dt7fy]

@@lindsaybrown5897 all i have reference to is my ford focus zx4 (fwd) so I never have that problem but I'm guessing the inertia from acceleration keeps the weight in the back like you said but that would mean you have too much grip in the front right ? Or it's just that you have to keep on throttle because the cars designed like that also would adjusting your rear suspension help with the over steer

[@86surge90]

no, he hit a mid-corner bump which upset the handling or he did an accidental clutch dump. you hear the tire slip at 4:05

[@eyemastervideo]

@@danielgarcia-dt7fy like mentioned. Weight shift to front giving more grip there, lessening grip to rear. Remember at the track they are at the limit of traction, so if you remove traction by a very small amount at one end, it will slide. Instead, adding power gradually would shift weight to the rear making it stick. If adding power to the rear makes it slide more, then you were going way too fast anyway and nothing will help in that case, so embrace the problem and do a control to get of track if possible instead of being out of control of track. Hard to explain. If you know you're losing control, then control your off. Either by living the brakes up so you slide in one direction or direct your car off. It's important for the other cars to know where you're going.

[@KenDoit]

Literally at the last place on the track with a supercharged lotus: Moog: it's 5 seconds slower than my BRZ

[@SKYWURX]

Yeeeahhh, Moog looked so disappointed. 100% something drastically wrong with the suspension/geometry setup on the Lotus. Like he said it should NOT be letting go like that so easily. After all the lotus is lighter, has a lower CG and has more of its weight concentrated towards the center of the car than the Impreza. The back end should be far more planted than the Impreza's.

[@BrunoSantos-jw3er]

Easy, the BRZ has traction control, but the Lotus doesn't

[@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181]

@@SKYWURX Yeah, no TC, and the car is sitting WAY to high, and probably too loose.... Theres a reason all track lotus' look slammed to the ground and you can barely get ur hand in the wheel hubs... Low and tight is what they like to avoid the snap over steering... They don't really oversteer unless you go to fast into a corner. Its the lift-off oversteer that will get you, that is, lifting off the gas, then your nose dives in and with a loose, high ride, you spin.

[@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181]

Heres a video about lift-off oversteer and it's pretty common in Mid engine cars. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qonblGaueLh3r7s

[@thatfunnykekguy6377]

@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 He needs to adapt his driving. He can't drive a Mid ship car like a RWD.

[@swisscourthustle]

I loved how the dig at the Evo puffing smoke at 8:11 was shortly followed by the STI munching a bearing 😅. You can’t script this stuff! Marty - I wish you’d tracked your Evo 9 a bit more!

[@WilliamWonka]

Martin: “I’m gonna get a tow truck home.” Me, listening to my 02 Forester: “Oh, shit.”

[@kuyans3889]

when the forester goes past a concrete barrier with the windows down and the noise echoes back to you

[@PaddyQuiggin]

99 Forester for me, same deal.

[@vanderspaced]

Nah, just put some ebay UEL headers on and send it amirite?

[@k.959]

With a 300k plus wrx swapped forester. no no you just need more water your fine

[@alistairwhite2906]

I managed the other EJ issue in my XT. Cooked cylinder 4 on a 44°C day and lost compression. Haven’t had Rodney visit as yet......

[@winsorracing7797]

They could have easily cut out Moogs moments but they chose to stick them in, showing us we all make mistakes. Good job MCM

[@wurlyone4685]

If that's the Moog mistakes they leave in... Just imagine the ones that don't make it off the cutting room floor? 😬 (I'm just kidding - it's exactly as you say and we love em for it! )

[@SeekerOfLight]

Moog man, I'm glad you're alright. Just a word of advice because I'm a person on the internet 🤷‍♂️. Get a beater and a big empty lot, take it up to 80 or 100 mph and brake spin it. If you do it enough, after a spin you won't be shaken up enough to harm your performance, you'll be able to just get right back in the game. Plus days of spinning out is really a good time. There's a progression that happens. First you're fighting the spin, trying to force your control over it. Then, you eventually give up on that because you realize it's only making it worse and you accept the spin and that you're there just along for the ride. Then after a while you start seeing things slower and you can make small subtle corrections inside the skid to have the desired outcome. At least that's how it went for me. I recommend everyone does this especially if they have winters with snow. If you can control a car going 80mph in a 180 spin then you can absolutely handle a car going 30mph that looses a little traction.

[@BlueBenGo]

Moog learning the realities of mid-engine driving. That Lotus is not forgiving like the BRZ or VW. It'll bite you if you're careless, it'll bite you if you're not. Gotta love it. Good job keeping your wits about you.

[@JPTHRICE]

moog: nearly crashes his foreign also moog: I NEED MORE POWER THATS FOR SURE

[@dandil]

for mid engine car driving: when you're in a low gear, high RPM (say you were braking into a corner and downshifting aggressively) you have a lot of engine braking, which in this case only acts on the rear wheels, so it's kinda like going into corners with the hand brake on. The key thing you need to learn is "maintenance throttle" meaning you do all your braking before the corner, then in the corner be slightly on the gas. You rotate the car with the gas pedal, less gas the nose tucks in more, more gas it goes out wider.

[@Talynen]

6:00 in to the video: I would love to see Moog get some passenger laps with other Lotus drivers to help him start to understand what it's supposed to "feel" like when done correctly. The most important mod is the driver mod, and I know MCM had done some clips (like the ones with the V8 driver and Yaris Hilton), but a rear mid-engined layout is different enough that I think getting some help would be smart and encourage people to do the same instead of sending their MR2s into a tree sideways.

[@Gooie69]

Some proper defensive/racecraft driver training would be good for these guys. No offence to Marty but he's frustrating to watch.

[@TheEvanFromMyspace]

Same. Hard to go from front to mid. Correction times and responses being different is his biggest part right now.

[@tomatodamashi]

@@Gooie69 Can you point out what he was doing wrong and when? I don't understand the frustration, but then again I don't race.

[@Gooie69]

@@tomatodamashi brakes too early, misses apexes and just doesn't seem confident in holding the foot into it. He might just not have confidence in it because it's an understeering pig though 🤷‍♂️

[@royalwithcheese69]

Its most likely the alignment being OFF. Please make an episode on the alignment and maybe some quick tips on how to set them up yourself on the cheap, that would be awesome! Made Night and day difference in my Elise. All the best from Austria!

[@andrew_ep_curtis]

You really shouldn’t do alignment “on the cheap”. It won’t be accurate. There is a reason garages tend to use highly accurate and sometimes laser alignment

[@user-dn3yk2qu7f]

Not 10 seconds difference though, it's most likely driver ability

[@royalwithcheese69]

You can do a good alignment, using Strings, which can be as good as a Laser Alignment. In Motorsport, including Formula 1, they do their alignment with the string method. BTW, if the alignment shops you mention, do not calibrate their equipment on al regular basis, which many do not, then even a laser alignment can be OFF.

[@thomasempacher9337]

What he said. Get the geometry and ride height checked. Something looks way off with that car. It's not you being unfamiliar with it. And string method is just fine. I watched the guys from Lotus Motorsport using the string method on their own Exige race cars in the pits at Silverstone years ago. With the geometry and tyre pressures set up correctly you should be able to spank that thing hard as you like even if you are new to the car with understeer/oversteer being largely determined by throttle. And a BRZ faster? Bwaa ha ha ha. No way.

[@friguy4444]

Awe...both our boys so heart broken. But that's what drives you on or drives you to learn about what works for you. Keep it up guys!!

[@thatoneguy3112]

Smashing the content out lately, loving it 🤙

[@generalguilmon6719]

That was fun to watch, even though it didn't end well for the cars. Also: I definitely prefer this style of sponsorship over the COD stuff

[@jecht86]

That was the first video MCM put out I had to turn off, and never finished

[@didarfarage7129]

this intro is a very beautiful thing! It shows how car comunity should be, we are all people who love to spend freetime with cars, we should be friendly help eachother out instead of being harsh or toxic

[@Te1ecastermaster]

Both could use some instruction methinks. Marty is leaving seconds on the track and understeering everywhere, and Moog has discovered lift off oversteer.

[@user-dn3yk2qu7f]

Terrible corner entry to induce that much understeer, or he's running the wrong sways but my guess would be driving style.

[@danh188]

Definitely. I think with Marty and that STI the next step is having the confidence to really hook it into corners and let it rotate properly rather than just turning in and letting it find front end grip when it wants to. Basically with both it’s mastering lift off oversteer

[@gaspump]

Couldn't have said it better myself. They've got all this track time but where's the instructor lead stuff? The E in HPDE is an acronym for a reason - Education. As they get more aggressive cars it's starting to show this a lot more. It's totally fine, we all have to learn but man... spinning out in a pack of expensive Lotuses. HPDE. It's a fun day (or two)!

[@jimmyrb82]

Likely a lack of trail braking on corner entry and lack of throttle blips (single or double clutch) wouldn't be helping the cause either.

[@danh188]

@@jimmyrb82 this is what annoys me the most as a driver, the amount of times they’ve almost spun on track because of no rev matching. Obviously you have to start somewhere and some people never bother with progressing their techniques but doing just that would help a bunch if they want to focus on track driving. Especially with rev matching because it’s something you can practice just driving casually around town

[@Qban220]

Moog! Practice some toe&heal down shifting. It will improve your confidence and control under high speed braking into a corner. Try it you'll be surprised, especially in a mid engine car.

[@meisenhut31]

Idk when this was filmed, maybe pre-pandemic, but I'm jealous of Australia. If only the USA had acted appropriately we'd also be able to hang out with each other in garages and not be worried. Good on you guys, please keep setting a good example for the world.

[@PREDATOR1803]

Hope Marty does an in depth rebuild video of his ej20 🤞🏻 really love watching content on that car

[@FFM0594]

The car should not have failed considering the work which has already gone into it. I smell something fishy about that.

[@TurboVisBits]

@@FFM0594 no subaru engines really just that unreliable. The EJ20 destroy bearings, the EJ25 break pistons.. subarus are just shitty when used for any performance application.

[@AspectofFrost]

@@FFM0594 They have pickup tube issues where it can stress crack, and not very effective baffling in the factory oil pan. Anyone who regularly tracks their subaru gets a killer B pan and pickup.

[@rcduck2010]

Marty - "nah she's making a ticking noise people" KZbin - "meditate uninterrupted with KZbin premium" 😂😂

[@supervitz7178]

Moog I had the exact same experience the first time I took my MR2 on track. Knocked me down so bad I sold it and got a Celica.

[@quixototalis]

I've seen you guys kill several cars, but that rod knock in the WRX broke my heart.

[@lachlansutherland359]

Hey marty, you really need a oil temp gauge and oil pressure gauge to see when you need to starting backing off her and giving the car a break

[@hawkertyphoon4537]

THIS! And anything else that keeps the Blue Birch on the road. I like him sitting in the STI, and i never want to see that car break again. He drives it like he stole it, just a good Fit between driver and Machine.

[@burrowssj]

rubbish, just needs and ecu that does it for you :) Gauges are so 1999

[@recoilrob324]

He over-revved it.....actually said 'Sorry Subaru!' when he did it. Surprised there isn't a rev limiter onboard or it's set WAY too high....or....no limiter is going to help if you downshift too deep and then release the clutch. The fuel system or ignition can shut off in an attempt to save the motor...but on a downshift over-rev nothing but the driver can save it.

[@hawkertyphoon4537]

@@recoilrob324 i think that, the moment he went to 8k, something clicked in his mind "i broke it" and later he was not surprised about the damage. Just sad.

[@skylined5534]

I mean they do rev to 8 grand from the factory but I guess if it's an old engine and possibly seen the redline more than a few times it's living on borrowed time. Also, downshifting at too higher speed (not saying that's what Marty did) will end badly regardless of a rev limiter.

[@mystere465]

I watched u guys from the beginning and I’ve never seen 2 grown ups being that much emotional, u guys are true car guys my heart and respect goes out to you

[@joealex65]

4:07 That was an MR2 move! Snap oversteer FTW! The JDM curse follows you everywhere! 😂😂😂

[@carguynewb7856]

Again with people and their Mr2 jokes

[@sambal777]

It looks similar to what ive had happen in my 350z even though its another league.

[@CrayonsYummyYummy]

@@sambal777 Well they're still technically a 'mid engine'. Just front mid engine

[@Massive_the_Composer]

@@CrayonsYummyYummy NOT the same. Front mid engine and rear mid engine DO NOT handle the same. I see so many people saying that it's ridiculous lol

[@xskinyx]

That's *not* snap oversteer. It's just regular oversteer - he just corrected too late. Snap oversteer is when the front catches on an over-correction and spins you *violently* in the opposite direction.

[@dms9289]

The best mod is seat time. Do some classes or have an instructor ride with you. You will be amazed at how many seconds you shave off with proper guidance.

[@garagecedric]

This is whats needed! Have an experienced instructor drive the car aswell to evaluate it and see if it handles like it should, or need some tweaks.

[@jamesrowe9563]

Hi guys, saw the spin and the driving, I’ve owned lotus cars for 6 years and an s2 exige for 3 now with a few track days, your main issue is you’re over thinking when driving the car, over steering in corners, and over counter steering, it’s all about small inputs on the wheel and being very smooth with them gives great rewards.

[@krrk6337]

Next: In this episode of Mighty Car Mods we turned our Kei truck to a tow truck!

[@David_Johnson_]

Well, it'll be good for taking the engine to the rebuilder.

[@richardrattray1291]

@@David_Johnson_ Yep. Tray is just the right size and an engine + gearbox is inside the weight limit. Even better, when engine rebuilder says best get a newer engine just use the tipper!

[@yagamiD3]

Lol

[@camber_courtney5250]

I'd like to see the tipper on the track

[@skylined5534]

I can't believe this show has turned into a diet tips special: Kei-tow the city. *Leaves before getting asked to pick a window*

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

Mid-engined cars are just so different to handle. When you get the hang of it, you’re able to make the most of its inherent advantages, when you aren’t used to it, it can be on a hair-trigger every corner

[@madbatta80]

Yes, totally right, but my guess is that exy has something wrong on the sway bar

[@eliot6775]

I feel Martys pain firsthand. I had a v3 JDM STi swapped impreza, drove it like crazy for a year, then finally took it to the track and a couple over-revs (8250rpm fuel cut on those JDM ECUs) did it in. Rebuilt the motor and it did autocross for years afterwards, and then on to a new owner. I love those JDM EJ20s.

[@LordBillington42]

Knock knock. Who's there? All the revenue from this video being spent on repairs.

[@turtlemonkey69]

Subaru sti engines as so expensive and a built subie motor is even more. The last 2-3 videos probably

[@Dan-mu5oy]

should be all the revenue into some race driving lessons!!

[@derekyam1805]

@@turtlemonkey69 buying it new, yeah expensive.. but theres tons of EJ everywhere that can be picked up for cheap

[@enja001]

A short block from subaru is cheaper than you'd think

[@turtlemonkey69]

@@derekyam1805 yeah but you wouldnt throw any ej in an sti.

[@AzinPlays25]

when you see Marty's Reaction when he heard rodney knocking in the subaru Feels bad man

[@madilinescott5343]

hey marty ato about 10:10 flat, thats where you ended up knocking on rodneys door shifting down too early, that sounds like well past 9K rpm, would be fun to see this re done nice.

[@xarups]

Guys, I've been seeing this coming from episodes away... You need to work more the rev match/heel toe. This hard reductions puts all the stress on the flywheel/clutch and the bearings. This kinda hammer the bearings every time an uneven rev reduction forces things on a higher rev. BMW's like e46 puts restrictions valves on clutch line to delay for a part second the pedal release, so it soften up the clutch grabbing on the flywheel. Of course starvation is always an issue, but I fear the main reason was the wear on the bearings every hard rev down that went. Put it with a high G corner just afterwards and high temp of the oil = thinner oil you have a receipt for flying rods. For future episodes, based on all study and all bad things I saw happen over the years personally: At least a 40 or 50 weight oil for track on a hot sunny day. Work on downshifting. Rev matching is key. Put an extra liter of oil above the limit on a trackday to help oil pickup tube staying submerged. See your cars breaking down much less. Cheers! Sad by the STI buddy.

[@skylined5534]

I don't think the extra litre of oil thing is a great idea, he doesn't want to start forcing seals out and semi hydro locking the bottom end or at least introducing fluid braking due to too much oil. The best way to combat oil starvation is a dry sump system... which most of us mere mortals can't afford! So next best thing is a decently baffled sump... and he might as well cross drill the oil galleries on the new crank he'll need to fit!

[@midnighteightsix6919]

@@skylined5534 Marty could try an accusump/oil accumulator, no substitute for a dry sump but would be better than nothing. A baffled oil pan would also be a good idea, I agree overfilling it is not a real solution to fixing the actual problem.

[@skylined5534]

@@midnighteightsix6919 Hey though that oil accumulator would be an excellent bit of insurance!

[@xarups]

@@skylined5534 1 extra liter ain't enough to give any sort of hydro or seal rampage. To be fair is a common practice to trackday junkies since old school days. It's just a poor mans way to compensate the lack of a proper baffled pan or dry sump. To be fair I do run an extra liter on my cars since 70% of their use is abuse on the track or on the mountains, and after 5 years, nothing happened so far.

[@xarups]

I do not redline it on the exit of high G corners as well, heel'n'toe at max 6k rpm and other small things that "could" help to avoid such issue. Seems easy to talk on the chair of your computer, I know... I'm just trying to share some experience that ain't necessarily written anywhere. I do also lost some engines on this learning curve. Hope for the best guys. Please, do a tear down on the subies engine, so we see the damage. This can be a learning vid for a bunch of people.

[@Swindog00]

Trying to turn too tight Marty. Use the whole road brother and let the power push with the mid corner speed

[@skylined5534]

It still also bothers me that he has that very stiff front ARB and no roll centre correction kit as of yet, and also the rear trailing arm bushes will still be Maynards wine gum spec 😂

[@RedlineRicer]

Driving a mid engine car is going to be totally different than the brz. Instead of braking right before the corner, brake ahead of time, then go into the corner, with it being mid engine u can get back on the throttle a lot earlier than the brz. You’re spinning out Bc on mid engine, u cannot lift mid corner, or it’ll snap around. Good videos mate 👍

[@Mattouge]

"Is it Rodney?!" Now I want this sticker. Edit: just seen the Rodney sticker, go it so hopefully that'll help with the rebuild!

[@DashCamOwnersAustralia]

Blowing up a motor just to spruik Shannons. Does MCM have no self respect with this sponsored content. SMH /S Great vid lads!

[@MafiaboysWorld]

I'm surprised Shannons doesn't sponsor you every month for the amount of crashes and bad driving you feature. 😂👍

[@chetmanley9781]

almost 300k subscribers, and with most videos now reaching 1 million views i am surprised you haven’t been sponsored yet. or been banned off youtube because aussies have colourful language

[@sheshd]

HAHAHAHA

[@mightycarmods]

Your videos scare us so much we’re probably safer on the track! 😃

[@brb2jndett254]

Love your content ❤️

[@thejoshuahenry]

I love that noise. It's clapping to tell you that you've done a good job!

[@SpartanElite43]

"It's Fun, It's Scary, and It Breaks Shit!" Says anyone who has ever went to any track, or Drag strip!

[@colbyscott9822]

My first tack weekend, just HPDE, I dropped the bottom end out of my e90 335i. That was a sad day. The replacement engine was never right and I ended up selling it shortly after. On the plus side, because I had bought the car at Carmax, and they don't repair BMW's, the repairs were sub'd out to a local Bimmer dealer. So, I was able to get the engine replaced under warranty. So, I only had to pay about $1100 of the $11K repair bill. Basically, Bimmer had no reason to tell Carmax about the track slag in the tires/fenders because then they wouldn't get to make money on the repairs.

[@SpartanElite43]

@@colbyscott9822 Damn lucky!

[@WolfCommander]

As soon as he said "I hear a noise" I knew it was Rodney coming to say *hello*

[@dillonosterhout1705]

That 8k rev did it, I knew it was coming as soon as he did that

[@zohaibasif6274]

woow that supercharger whine sounds amazing. Never realized superchargers sound so good