$30 vs $500 Intake | CASH vs TRASH

Do POD filters make power? And do you need to spend the cash or can you make your own out of PVC pipe? Today we're going to find out!
In this new series, we'll get an expensive intake system, and a home made system, then get an expert to decide. Along the way, one car will modified with loads of cash, and the other one will be modified with parts found from dumpster diving, recyclers, second hand parts or the cheapest parts we can find.
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[@mightycarmods]

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[@MajorMokoto]

Really sad you guys didn't shit all over this K$N overpriced garbage and talked about the fliter. Super disappointing, this comes off as you're worried about upsetting them for future sponsor spots. There was nothing good about this product at all.

[@Sh30001]

if you use Gray pvc 636 which is for high temp furnaces would work for engine bays for an air intake

[@robertobuenrostro2781]

Blair you forgot the lifetime warranty for the K&N pod filter. I thrashed my filter and got a new one for $0 dollars strate from Corona California. Marty is correct, if it sounds good it's going to be good. That homemade hot rod plumbing work every time. Just add a some pantie hoses to the pod for extra filtration. 👨‍🔧👨🏻‍🔧

[@adamhonda98]

Could have painted it black tho

[@capricechild92]

Does Scotty fit in those cars? 😂

[@antoinefestuot4947]

For 500 bucks, that K&N is a shame. 50 bucks for the filter, 50 bucks for the hardware, 400 bucks for the brand.

[@MrTurbo_]

It's insane indeed, my intake replaces everything to the turbo, is mainly black powder coated metal with welded on brackets for easy bolt on install and uses silicone pipes for the bends and was about 300 euro

[@gtturbo12]

I fee years back I bay KN filters kit for 150-180 eur that is nuts

[@N1sm0NIC]

I would argue it's platform dependent. If it's easy to fab and pipe yeah K&N (and arguably every other CAI kit) is a rip off. But if you're in California, part of those $400 for the brand can also be applied to having a CARB sticker so when a cop pulls you over you can tell them to go fuck themselves. Course that only really works if you're in CA

[@ChocolateFrog]

Agreed, what a joke. Shite filtration just to rub salt into the 500 dollar wound too.

[@fsaavedrap]

Absolutely. You can get an intake made for the car from a japanese brand (like Injen or HKS) for that price.

[@jordanjoestar8839]

That K&N kit is straight up insulting for that price 😂

[@bikesnjosh]

absoult joke 🤣 said he was keeping prices resonable 😬😬 surely theres another known company that isnt overpriced like that

[@Dreamscythe1]

to be honest most things K&N make are a joke lol, really bad company who make sub par filters that dust out engines

[@frankbradleyjr]

That is a Joke for $500.00 a piece of Dryerhose a small pod filter and a Adapter.. big time Joke

[@chrishill6788]

Most k and n come with aluminum piping and a heat shield to keep temps down. What he got is straight laughable for that price

[@cheeseontoastbrah]

Especially when you can grab a much better greddy kit for less

[@drawzerRB]

The TU5JP4 engine has that kind of intake to reduce induction noise. The best thing to do is actually keep the stock airbox, get rid of the resonator box, remove the fog light and add an elbow to get fresh air. The cup cars used this system

[@phuzz00]

Is that the Suzuki or Peugeot engine?

[@drawzerRB]

​@@phuzz00 Peugeot

[@mathieugillet]

Peugeot TU family of engine trace back to the glorious 205GTI

[@matthiasrietveld3559]

​@@mathieugillet monsieur, the 205 gti has an older type of engine. The XU engine. The 205 (1.3) rallye had a TU24 if im correct.

[@mathieugillet]

@@matthiasrietveld3559 my bad, you are correct.

[@scottsheehy6450]

Marty is immune to pessimism about his air filter. He had all the answers in the bank.

[@tombyrnerocks]

And those answers were "race car, mate"

[@scottsheehy6450]

Haha won't be racing if it's wet.

[@robertwells6454]

Marty needs to get a small rattle can of black spray bomb to give the $500 look to His clod air system. A K&N filter & His would be just as good. 😎👌 $500 for Moog's setup was a rip off! 🤯

[@heygek2769]

Just look at that close-up at 1:44, absolutely disgusting quality at that pricepoint.

[@flaxslice9857]

Yeah pretty expensive, but also Aussie Dollars.

[@scareyaf]

Clod air system 😂 I know that's a typo but it made me laugh nonetheless.

[@Andyneo100]

Watching Scotty with the boys is like watching Gandalf with the Hobbits!! I'm really liking these upgrade shorts, keep em coming

[@speedstrn]

They should have Scotty stand on something next time he's standing between them.

[@christophersonawane]

And I believe that Marty and Moog are above 6'0 ft so scotty is basically a giant.

[@allhailthelegs]

hehe shorts

[@MrRakaukolis]

This might be a series where MCM coming closer to it's roots. Rather than all these dare I say expensive projects. And I like it

[@MyKnightlife]

agreed

[@NebraskaDownHiller]

K&N shows this kit as $250 on their website and that is still WAY too high for what it is

[@xtian_stw]

Likely USD pricing. I just checked and it shows $440. Either way it shouldnt be any more than $150 aud

[@MotoringBoxTV]

The cold air hose is also delightfully small. I don't think you could really do anything with it.

[@kc510]

The filter quality even looks like shit. K&N is a joke.

[@georgeoliver8300]

Austria dollars are basically worthless tho so it sounds more expensive

[@AfferbeckBeats]

@@georgeoliver8300 Australian dollar is about 70 US cents, plus all products sold in Australia have 10% GST included in the price. None of this say one price then add taxes on at the end business that the US does. Products sometimes end up cheaper in Australia than the US somehow after those considerations.

[@SturbokSensei]

Huge props for mentioning the "cost of maybe less filtration" in the video. So many times that aspect is overlooked and/or not mentioned. As you mentioned, these are race cars but that will make a difference for someone running a daily considering buying one, especially in a dusty climate.

[@AwesomeBoss55]

really refreshing and fun series, would be cool to see driving tests in each episode too

[@kylebolton3427]

As they mentioned on the last video in the comments. If they was to do it at the track it would cost way to much money to do it that way.

[@4LayersOfStrength]

@@kylebolton3427 perhaps even an drive on the road and report back on the general driving feel as a result of the/each respective change

[@kylebolton3427]

@4Layers OfStrength yeah I mean reasonable but If they was gonna do that they would of thought to do it at the beginning.

[@KiwiPhil.]

disagree - this is a really poor series so far. Ripped off donut medias idea and replicated it quite poorly, should be called Lo - Lo car.

[@ReviveAndDrive-mk1]

​@@KiwiPhil. still more fun to watch mcm than donut media 😁

[@dattoDJ]

I'm absolutely loving this series! Short sharp episodes being real about your expectations and talking to people who know their stuff! 👍👍👍👍👍 Five thumbs up!

[@glentight]

More than enough scrap in the 180 catback to put a good "trash" system together with Marty's welding skills.

[@djled1013]

I can see, Scotty is someone you both really look up too.😉

[@dmclaude]

The one positive to the replacement intakes that few people mention is simplifying the engine bay and added knuckle space. Makes access to other service parts like headlights so much better. Just my 2 cents.

[@jonr4651]

I love how Tuning Fork called Marty’s PVC craft project a “custom intake.” So much irony there.

[@Vass046]

Actually shocked you went with that junk instead of a Simota intake system for the Swift after putting so much emphasis on getting actual JDM parts in previous videos. The Simota one is similar price to the K&N but at least keeps the intake side at the front of the vehicle and is properly shielded as well.

[@iamstd2]

With as much as they talk about getting jdm parts, I'm very surprised they haven't touched a single thing from Monster Sport yet. They are the king when it comes to the Swift.

[@jackrichards1863]

Yes I think the lads have been mucking about with other intake instead of research and Dyno this round. Or they know it's just daft and made a token gesture of it?

[@KuroRyuu86]

I'm going to guess, It's because they have never heard of it. They are basically going with what they know thats available locally.

[@aserta]

The only thing i would've changed with Marty's improvised run is swapped the 90 he's holding at 4:36 for two more 45's and a bit of straight pipe. That way the air doesn't need to make that narrow 90 twice. If you improvise this kind of stuff, it's good to avoid narrow 90's as much as you can, same rules as house ducting, but... in pipping for liquids, you don't need a soft 90, so there's none to buy (not at that size anyways). Also, PVC is perfectly good for the engine bay, by the time it melts, your wires are going to short on account of losing the insulation. One can step up their game and go with fire proof piping, used in modern buildings. That stuff is even higher on the melting point, and decent if you happen to pass near something very hot.

[@davidshepherd3365]

I could listen to Scotty all day long. So knowledgeable and calm. 😊

[@pasha_karandash]

🤮 you never listened to really smart engineers I see

[@khaaaaaaaaaannn]

I had the option of fitting a pod filter to my Eunos but in the end I just drilled a few 50mm holes in the airbox underneath the filter for added induction noise and left the standard filter in place. Made zero difference to the power but the extra noise made me smile every time I pressed the accelerator. And after I fitted a new exhaust and manifold I couldn't hear it anyway so I'm glad I didn't waste any money on it 😂

[@user-js4vh2lw6n]

As soon as the vibration causes Marty's pipes to come apart glue won't be so expensive lol

[@joshuagies4900]

I cracked up at the first rev of the PVC system. Next step: create a car orchestra, tuning the PVC pipe for pitch 😂

[@chrisla54]

Drill some holes and make a sh17 recorder!

[@superkirk11]

Get "That 1 Guy" and I'm sure he'll make a sick ass sounding intake out of PVC.

[@quikiee]

cool snorkels by the best 4wd channel on youtube :)

[@ChefBoyarDEEZ]

Air velocity matters greatly in an intake. If you stick a 3 inch intake on a 2 inch TB, all the air is going to get turbulent at the choke point and hurt performance. You'd be better off running a 2 inch tube on a 2 inch TB. So if you slap one of those $20 ebay intakes on your ride, chances are it will be nice and loud but no gains or worse, loss in power. I did this with my 96 Infiniti G20. Went from stock to ebay intake, felt sluggish, put the stock tube back on with the pod filter, and got power. Then I read an article about intake air velocity and flow and decided to make my own intake. Went to Pepboys and got intake tubing the same size as the throttle body, drilled my own holes and it definitely felt the best of all 3 combos. Never tested it on a dyno or anything but there was a noticeable difference between the 3. So now I'm pretty selective when picking out intakes.

[@matthewlittle6940]

I'm loving these!!! Even when this series is done i think you should continue this type of content

[@davidguille5992]

Marty you need a strut brace on that 206, they flex terrible, massive improvement. The biggest thing your gonna find is those wheels are to big and mess with the gearing for the underpowered engine. Lowering the back is very hard work but so worth it, those torsion bar axels give a lot of lift off oversteer. I've spent most of my driving life and mechanic careers with Peugeots and know the characteristics of them. Also I can honestly say fuel makes a difference, if you have total petrol Un aus then use that it makes a difference. Hope this is helpful

[@sideshow4417]

Best thing to do with a Peugeot is drive it into a wall and go get a better car.

[@maartenyzer4121]

​@@sideshow4417 in the add..

[@georgeoliver8300]

@@sideshow4417 which are won the 2002 wrc championship again ??

[@pasha_karandash]

@@sideshow4417 ducktaping your body straight to a front bumper

[@pasha_karandash]

sadly, but they won't listen good advises( look how do they behave them with a parts of this Peugeot. They hate it and try to make it worse every single time just to tell at the end of a series "look at this piece of french shit. we tried, but it's still a piece of shit. let's burn it down"😢

[@2loudspeakers]

This will be interesting alright. Moog could have just dropped in a K&N panel filter for cheaper. It would be interesting to compare the K&N pod filter versus panel filter

[@danhendershot8511]

I concur. That's exactly what I do with my own cars. Lose the resonator box and extra tubes and slap a K&N panel filter in for about $60 USD. Great sound and a slight increase in revving quickness due to less restriction.

[@coolhandluke1503]

I'd put m money on the panel filter and if the air box was a known restriction put some extra holes in it and seal it from engine heat

[@CloakedToaster]

500 dollars for flexible hose? Are we sure Martys setup was the trash here?

[@blazervol3357]

Marty's plan of attack reminds of the good ole days back in the 2000s where there wasn't a whole lot of aftermarket support so you made your own parts

[@serenityinsilence]

Marty should look into a k&n drycharger bag. It covers your filter and is supposed to keep mud and water out of your filter. It isn’t waterproof, but is hydrophobic so if you splash water it won’t get past it.

[@Pigeoning]

Pod filters is what brought me to KZbin to research them and that original video was my first experience with MCM. Never stopped watching.

[@MBUncle]

I swear Scotty keeps growing. They had to zoom out quite a bit for this one. Love you guys

[@skitzvitz]

Ooofff Moog got had by that $500 "kit".

[@bradyspage]

My god, I never realize what a massive human Scotty is!

[@TheBobruub1]

Absolute Unit.

[@IBOO57]

Welcome to the internet

[@Clone895]

This series is great so far! I would also love to see what you guys would do with some American cars (C6 Corvette or Holden Commodore perhaps)

[@groomnzoom7860]

It is amazing to be able to watch this from the US. I ❤️ youtube for allowing me the opportunity to watch and say great job, thanks marty and moog, i love ❤️ your show!!!

[@ipoopmuffins]

i remember when spending $300 on an intake system was like the premium tier

[@Averna222]

I know you have that video of the air intake testing but I'd still really love to see just how much worse the air intake temps are with that k&n.

[@O8WRx]

From my experience- CAI are good when coupled with other mods. I didn't get one until I got a larger turbo back exhaust, larger intercooler, larger pump/injectors, etc. That way you only need one tune as well.

[@Phil_Bennett]

Hahahaha I have been a mate of Billsy's for 20+ years and I had totally forgotten about the pvc intercooler pipes 😂 they actually worked

[@TerminusVox]

Was installing the appropriate K&N filter to replace the factory filter and keeping the factory designed piping a considered option?

[@naailable]

Man I’m disappointed in the tuners analysis of these after market intakes, he hyped up the hot air K&N intake with lots of turbulent piping, whilst roasted the true cold air, smooth, long tubed pvc intake.

[@Ayzprella]

i love it when Scotty immediately have an opinion when seeing marty's creation but decide to shut it.

[@tannermoroz9732]

OH MY GOD I LOVE THE PVC INSTUMENT SOUNDS

[@angryman3317]

A DIY tip for PVC intercooler piping is to fill a long length with fine beach sand cap off each and leave it in the sun on a hot day or help it with a hair drier and then bend it to the shape of your engine bay let it cool then remove all the sand and presto, you have no joins. The sand prevents it from kinking so you'll have even diameter.

[@siffoine]

Hard to believe it would work with that diameter. Sure it works for computer cooler hard tubing or greenhouses, but here the pipe wall thickness to kink size ration is not on your side, as the plastic needs to stretch around the kink and there simply is not enough of it.

[@angryman3317]

@@siffoine this was 2009 p plates in West Australia with a 94 rs legacy, phat China front mount and high pressure pvc and orange underground conduit. I ran 14pound with a td05 -18g, it held for long enough (5 months of p plates) for me To track down a oem water/air. Gave the pipes to a guy at a liberty meet in Perth in 2012 so they could live on.

[@gazjones8781]

Genuinely think you'd have been better off just changing the panel filter for a high flow one. Modern intake systems are generally far superior to anything you can buy off the shelf. There's a few different systems for my 208gti and in a comparison test, all the induction kits currently available lost plenty of power over stock and the k&n and pipercross panel filters had a marginal gain.

[@MrWendal]

What a tease, i feel ripped off without the dyno results, makes me not wanna click on any more trash vs cash

[@joseacuna3239]

This series is refreshing

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

Holy crap I knew Scotty was a big bloke, but he makes Marty and MOOG look like manlets. Is he 7 feet tall?

[@Underpantsniper]

I think he said he's 6'9"

[@ukaszbaranowski1741]

This suzuki is normally rusty pies of ..... Peugeot 206 xs is the best fwd 1.6 cars of 2000s . Brakes 283 from 306 gti-6 cup exhaust manifold, close ratio from c4 diesel camshafts from 106 s16 and this Suzuki Shitf is gone .

[@callumroach2003]

I’ll forever watch mcm, you two don’t need go into the “KZbinr mind” of over the top thumbnails. I met moog many many years ago at an auto barn near dural, he was so bloody nice and I hope I can catch Marty in the wild just like that one day.

[@westsideaccord]

Oh Moogs face after his revs… and how quick the transition to end credit- hilarious

[@mattcrain6893]

Used a piece of PVC and a Donaldson filter on a 95 F250 with 7.3 had almost 400,000 miles. Sounded great and ran well! Never any issues with dust past the filter in any of the intake.

[@brian_sipe]

I really enjoyed the Peugbong in the intake track. Very cool Frenchies.

[@MaxWorldTech]

Patented French water bubbler filtration technology

[@feral4mr2]

I could listen to Scotty pour knowledge all day!

[@felixbelanger2659]

Project Farm made a comparison of drop-in filters including K&N and while they do open up the airflow a lot, they're actually pretty poor in terms of filtration

[@shatnersbassoon1791]

Scotty the Viking next to Moog was like looking at Dwane Johnson and Kevin Hart 😂

[@Hangiinjohnny]

We actually made a snorkel very similarly to that. We used a bit of pvc out of the bay and hooked it up to flexible downspout that we ran from the pvc up the a pillar. Worked great, sounded awesome and for a fraction of the price it was all we needed for a mud truck

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

It's also extra street creed for the mud truck.

[@TobyRay45]

Honestly loving this series. An Aussie HiLow. Thank you lads

[@markeastwood74]

This episode, I learned that PVC sounds awesome and K&N make a lot of money.

[@BIGGYBENJI69]

I like the PVC tube music while making the trash intake 😂

[@markrobinson1291]

Marty's $50 special hands down because the filter isn't getting hot air from sitting above the engine, Moog's "CAI " pipe is "hopeful psychological" at best. I made a PVC intake that never failed on my old MX5 track car, which also lasted longer than any RB engine that was in my street and track R33 boat

[@ric9573]

I currently have an mx5 nbfl, what would you say would be a good intake setup?

[@mRipX]

enjoying the series, can't wait to see if marty goes straight pipe on the exhaust

[@eTiMaGo]

PVC exhaust maybe? :D

[@The_journeyy]

I wasn't expecting that response lol 😂

[@jclitherland]

ITS A BONG!!! The Peugeot has a bong for an intake. How clever

[@allheronocape8372]

Great Video. I don't have a Jeep yet, but when the time comes, I want the Jeep Grand Cherokee L and want to upgrade the intake and exhaust. Thanks again.

[@generalgreen77]

I can see it now… 20+ episodes before the showdown!!! Looking forward to each and every one ✌🏼

[@katom2111]

Danm Marty that smart ass. I love that the expert telling u but u telling him no puddles there mate bahha gold

[@christianness8983]

For about $65 I took out all the intake baffling from my Civic and put a small section of exhaust tubing in between the stock airbox and the stock intake snorkel plus added a K&N pad filter. Sounds awesome and definitely breathes better

[@shadowsandfire]

"My custom intake is modular" is a mad way of saying "I couldnt afford conduit glue" lol

[@tylerc161]

The PVC takes me back to like 2004 in high school with my Saturn lol. Always trying to make a slow car faster, going to my friends him and I would each build intakes and stuff and change them for different designs and stuff. Good stuff mate

[@ggepp]

Orchy! Now that's a blast from the past!

[@wheelsofmisfortune3162]

Removed the stock air intake system on my vespa, added a K and N pod filter. Definite increase in power and it sounds awesome!

[@williamstellmon7565]

One of the things I enjoy. The products you are buying with the cash car are budget friendly. Donut media has the Hi-Lo series. But high price cars parts are not in the realm of possibility for most of us. I enjoy that you are still trying to be as consumer friendly as possible.

[@lory2622]

Love it, 4:47 with the on screen of Scotty requires you to reframe the whole shot. You guys look like kids with that size shot frame. That man is tall.

[@Dice_weiss]

The piping for the K&N filter was a surprise

[@naikjoy]

:) That Peugeot 206 sounds nice after the filter swap!

[@chrisreardon7185]

For $20 i bought a used fmic kit for a twin turbo liberty. heaps of stainless pipes and different silicon joiners and a bunch of hose clamps. made up a cold air kit for my impreza, yanked out the foglight and put a filter right behind it. not bad, dorts good.

[@projectp1821]

“My custom intake is modular…” hahaha !! It sure is !! 🎉

[@djnmv]

Billsy!! From back in the OG RS Liberty Club days 👍

[@Q.theProducer]

My favourite mcm series in ages

[@ArmchairCarcass]

Girlfriend had a 1.5 swift we put a simota I think it was air intake on it, was hands down the best sounding intake I’d heard On a little car sounded unreal

[@somedude1119]

9:00 Scotty: "I suspect you're going to lose power at the bottom end" Marty: "Race cars are never at the bottom end" ... This line made me LOL

[@jamesread11]

Always seen scotty sitting in cars, he’s a giant!

[@cordcd7]

Finally, an expert that makes Marty and Moog look short!

[@azza6453]

When the track is hot in summer, Marty's "cold air" won't be so cold 😂

[@Bluterus]

I'm glad to see most comments agreeing the expensive system is junk. The PVC would be just as good if anything the tube would flow better not being convoluted you could even buy a K&N for Martys for like $100. Moogs filter was tiny. You can get a similar SAAS kit for like $60 with convoluted tube and pod in a box.

[@mrtrendizzle]

Who cares about power when you can make VROOM VROOM noises and smile. 🥰🥰

[@craigsawyer6453]

What no black "go faster" paint for your PVC intake Marty? Where is that Mighty Car Mods style?? Loving the new shirts!

[@Dynoo1000]

Nice 206 RC seats you got in the background 😉

[@shadowsandfire]

Everyone needs a "dose" of this!

[@sunsetgarage755]

Both of those intakes will almost certainly be a reduction in power and torque, over the factory cold airbox at anything under about 5000 rpm, and possibly only marginal gains above that. Even for a track car, all the low speed corners will be compromised. As others have said, a higher flowing filter in the factory airbox assembly will be a better option at this power level. I would have thought MCM would know that with all their previous experiences. Both these intakes are trash.

[@richmanricho]

Billsy, such a mad scientist haha

[@superstock9261]

"and in this episode of trash vrs trash!...." 😂

[@RustingSoftly]

Filter Wears makes pre filter that wicks water off. Highly recommend, I use it on my turbo ls.

[@c0c0asauce]

For my 1UZ-Nissan D21 swap I used GM intake pipes and box from the junkyard. $108USD for everything including clamps, box, filter, and MAF. GM used the same intake and filter setup for engines rated 270hp-320hp so it should be a good match for a 1UZ with bolt ons. I really like the oem look.

[@MrRevell13]

It always looks like Tuning Fork is standing on a box next to the boys 🤣

[@matthewd1907]

Can't lie, was fully expecting when you said in the French bin to see Marty with a mustache and beret with some french accent saying "in ze bin"

[@benjaminblakemore9704]

YUSSSS TUNING FORK!!!😂😂😂❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊

[@SecretSauceyjuice]

I always leave the stock airbox and just put a K&N drop-in filter that I replace every few years (I don't bother cleaning and re-oiling. Too much risk to the MAF). But the airbox itself is literally one of the last things I would ever touch. This doubles to help when you get pulled over because it looks more stock so cops kind of overlook the smaller details that would give it away.