Mike Lombardi on why New York Giants are DOOMED for failure, is Maye QB1 for Patriots? | 3 & Out

John Middlekauff is joined by Mike Lombardi to discuss how the NFL offenses are changing from spread style to a more traditional style. Plus Lombardi dives into how the New York Giants could be the worst team in the NFL in 2024 with Daniel Jones coming off of injury. Is Drake Maye the answer for the New England Patriots at the QB position? Is Kyle Shanahan the sole reason for Brock Purdy's success with the San Francisco 49ers? Is wide receiver the least important position on offense?
0:00 // Intro
1:29 // The under appreciation of NFL Legends
4:16 // The evolution of NFL offenses
6:54 // Mike Lombardi's son working in the NFL
10:17 // DraftKings Ad
11:21 // The reason behind Brock Purdy's success
14:48 // What should Packers do with Jordan Love?
16:59 // Ebay Motors Ad
19:27 // Why the Patriots drafted Drake Maye
23:05 // The importance of offensive lineman
25:23 // Kansas City Chiefs drafting overlooked players
27:39 // Falcons' situation with Kirk Cousins & Michael Penix
30:06 // Jets & Giants ownership issues
34:13 // Potential of Bo Nix with Sean Payton on Broncos
36:58 // Mike Lombardi's career advice
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[@MichaelW969]

I have always liked Lombardi's takes. You can tell his thoughts and opinions are mindful and well thought out without the hyperbole. Thanks John

[@jamesmartini4332]

Agreed but when his son got fired by raiders he was very biased and sounded bitter as hell

[@reidt5513]

​@@jamesmartini4332yeah lost a lot of respect after that media tour.

[@D-V-C-N]

@@jamesmartini4332he prob knows more about that situation than us so perhaps he does have the right to be bitter. What’s really annoying is acting like because his son got fired that they’re all idiots and losers which is what a lot of people have acted like

[@MichaelW969]

@@jamesmartini4332 I was unaware of this. Ty

[@cesarmeza5331]

He is easy to criticize others, but when he had a shot as a GM and failed miserably he became an excuse making machine 😂

[@ericmandell7895]

Mr. Lombardi is always a great interview. He always imparts sooo much knowledge about the game. 🤙🏽🇬🇺🇲🇵

[@Zappbrannigan83]

Agree.

[@Matt90541]

Except he was completely wrong about Jones saying they didn't win because of him in the playoffs when Jones had 400 total yards that game.

[@tomasreade9995]

Probably my favorite podcast from you ever, I think these high IQ conversations with experienced pundits it’s unmatched

[@aneesabashir8496]

More guests please, John!

[@traydevon]

Why?

[@samuelwallace2782]

Because John's podcast is in a format that allows for longer interviews

[@keahnsards]

Lombardi and Middlekauff are the goats of football discussion

[@ehb1022]

Great trip.down memory lane. Excellent show.

[@RavenTD46]

Love listening to Mike talking about the ins and outs of football .

[@christophernaze]

You are a good interviewer, John. You ask the question and really listen to the answer. Keep it up!

[@SkipDulcet]

2 of the best NFL guys around!

[@carrite]

Excellent interview. Thanks to both of you.

[@scrapironff1873]

Yes, everybody should always believe in Mike Lombardi.

[@billhibbs2964]

Sometimes, he can be wrong but he always gives an honest opinion. Good guy.

[@lightweight1365]

Definitely more Lombo on the show!

[@jdot3334]

This was awesome. Well done, love lombo 🙏

[@nickj2561]

I always learn something when I hear Mr. Lombardi talk. He's not always right, but he's always thoughtful

[@Wedesndaychicken]

Great duo right here

[@G-Rocka]

Great pod! Cheers 🍻

[@CapeCodPhilip]

If you have a passion for Learning, you'll enjoy doing almost anything.😊

[@ryanwhite9437]

Great convo

[@dustdevil9614]

That Raiders Bucket is the real Gold back there

[@findingtheFOOT]

Would love to hear a discussion on where the Falcons would be if they signed Lamar. His contract couldnt have been much worse than Kirk's, but they're future potential would be even better than with Penix. Shouldve signed Lamar

[@ShiftyBTW]

great guest john. i never miss the gm shuffle.

[@jerryantaya1266]

So you're saying that the Rams gave up ALL THAT because McVay can't build a line? That wasn't it. Goff made some incredible throws the last couple years while taking a hit. A Great O-line will make every QB better and happy.

[@robertstohr1762]

I disagree with Lombardi on this one DJ carried the team in 22'. He took a bad team to the playoffs and won on the road. the Daniel Jones hate is ridiculous, he can make all the throws and he's a great athlete. We need blocking and better WR play and DJ will be fine.

[@mikaeloliver6698]

He hates the Giants for some reason. Giants lost 2 or 3 games last year because of an injured kicker. If Jones is healthy, they might have been a 10 win team.

[@misinfluence]

Pretty obvious they played a very safe brand of football jones didn’t carry anyone

[@richardmartinez434]

Oooo Wrong DJ is LOZY trips on his own 2 feet twice can't read plays fast enough 1 FLUKE SEASON need I say more.

[@paulieprinceton4550]

The left tackle in Chicago is Braxton Jones paisan. Keep pushing the narrative that the Bears have a bad OL. According to ESPN analytics, the Bears OL ranked 2nd in the NFL in run block win rate and 5th in the NFL in pass block win rate last season. They upgraded that OL with the acquisitions of Shelton and Bates on the interior replacing Patrick and Whitehair. It seems like people have a warped view of the Bears OL because Fields was such a bad QB, especially in the pocket. He caused a large percentage of pressures and sacks due to his deficiencies reading defenses, decision making and just holding the ball too long.

[@CoC_Lord]

They used the argument of fields having the longest time to throw before pressure in the nfl to tear him down yet completely forgot that the oline is the reason they have that ttt

[@tracklete1823]

Lombardi can’t stand the Bears. Throughout the interview he kept bringing up the Bears and the Bears have nothing to do with the topic 😂

[@sonnymacklin5269]

@tracklete... It appears so but it's not personal. It's cause he knows how inept their m gang had been for so long. They didn't know what they were doing, hence you get Phil Emery, then Pace...and it went back further. Yes, they got it right with R. Poles. They're on the up with miles to go but Lombardi doesn't hate he just calls it as he sees it. Disagree or agree but never take it personal. Biz is Biz....

[@xStrypes]

This dude is a football wiz, I could listen to this for hours

[@jonathanmolzan7885]

His books are too lever, either listen to them on audible or buy them, so good, he has 3 or 4 very very good books, gridiron genius is my favorite and his new one

[@xStrypes]

@@jonathanmolzan7885 Appreciate that bro Im gonna check em out for sure

[@voodoorage2710]

Great guest

[@leohs-uy6il]

Cool conversation

[@justicestyles]

Yeah Lombardi knows his stuff … I disagree with him sometimes … but in this podcast he was spot on everything

[@eorob41]

two of my favs

[@larrylindgren9484]

He's right the QB makes the WR better. The WR doesn't make the QB better. If he does your QB sucks.

[@Darcalpha]

I always feel like I'm "in the know" when I consume your content, wheh u put a guy on like him, it just tells me I'm right.

[@TheTruth_StraightNoChase]

Ppl acknowledge Trey Lance and Justin Fields over Brock Purdy bcuz they very athletic and black QBs. Same reason Lamar won MVP even though Baker Mayfield had a better individual season.

[@martinezjames83]

Baker didnt get further this year. You are wrong

[@TheTruth_StraightNoChase]

@martinezjames83 same amount of playoff wins and Baker had more TDs by a lot

[@callendayo8930]

@@TheTruth_StraightNoChase Brock Purdy was a top 5 MVP candidate. Which proves he gets plenty of national recognition. Literally no one with a brain thinks Fields or Lance are anywhere close to Purdy. Idek why he brought them up as if anyone is seriously comparing the 3 lol. And Lamar is leagues above Baker. He doesn’t control the fact that Harbaugh is, has been, and always will be, a run heavy, defense oriented coach

[@jestermarcus]

​@callendayo8930 There might be a reason Harbaugh is still a run first coach. We saw them try to throw the ball in the AFC Championship, and it didn't look good. Granted, the Chiefs had a fantastic defense.

[@jfinity_362]

Daniel jones did carry the team in the playoff game versus the Vikings. Love the rewriting of history from historical giants hater Lombardi

[@sancho8441]

Exactly. They had many game winning drives that year. Giants won 6 games last year with back up qb and lost 3 games by a td or less. They've upgraded many positions and can win 8 this year. If that's bad then I'm missing what a bad team looks like.

[@jesselawson224]

I mean I get what he was saying about the new book, but a teams that’s been to 6 straight afc championship games and 4 superbowls, is pretty damn close, so you technically don’t have to go back that far.

[@Ohm3gaw3apon13]

Yup totally agree, rb needs to pass protect first.

[@mickpratt8327]

I appreciate when a stand is taken and we get a prediction that a team with Daniel Jones and Drew Lock is going to suck.

[@reneewilliams5777]

That's why Bills fans are confident without Stefon Diggs, because of Josh Allen. Kinda crazy some of the takes out there

[@JediKnightWayne]

Mara has always been more of a problem then Johnson.

[@gsp3428]

Disagree with Lombardi on drafting Bijon for the falcons, Bijon maybe a generational running back talent, you can play two good running backs, which is actually good, because it gives rest to one. But he is spot on with Micheal Pennix and Kirk Cousins. Silly move.

[@jamesbickle4912]

Lombardi criticizes Poles for taking Odunze instead of a 3 technique. There were zero dominant 3 techniques available worth taking at #9. Poles opted for the long term play. Keenan Allen might only be there for 1 year. He leaves and Bears still have Moore and Odunze, a dynamic pair. Next year's draft is full of good dline players. He will do it then with their 3 high picks. Poles simply takes what the market is giving. Poles has said over and over he is working the Bears long term. Yes. Lombardi has often criticized the Bears. But Poles is different. He's going to build something special in Chicago.

[@jomarr3926]

Couldn’t agree more with the Daniel Jones take. I don’t understand why this can’t pivot and more forward.

[@ryanwhite9437]

I like Lombard cuz when he speaks, he doesn't seem to have ties or allegiances he's trying to protect within his takes

[@anthonycascio7121]

Nice hat Mike.

[@leevancleef358]

Reason Purdy is not talked enough about being a really good player is Simple...it's because of the San Fran Roster...he is surrounded by so many great players...that is why. Now I like him and DO think he is really really good...BUT put him on Carolina and you would see his "potential" in between way more sacks and int's...his production would not be the same. He would be playing from behind if he was on Carolina...whole different ballgame there.

[@DevinSeverin]

My first car is my dream car. I dream of driving it more than having any other car.

[@tylerboswell6529]

I'm rooting for danny dimes to bounce back this year. He can throw the deep ball. He should have more of an opportunity thus season as well when nabers opens up the offense. The record worst oline that gave up record sack numbers have to do their part if you want to see jones throw deep to slayton and hyatt or nabers. We have seen him do it. Not consistently, but you can't expect that with the type of offense he has been surrounded with.

[@tonyb408]

Hopefully you make Lombo a regular.

[@DianaRussia531]

Nico Collins and Tank Dell are both 3rd round draft picks.

[@BigBear-sn3hm]

Completely agree about the hall of fame. Way to many players that were big names with mediocre numbers. And that's now, imagine in 50 years

[@imwithyou38]

we have been trained of many years that elite qbs look like a certain way. brock purdy is a one of one type of player(just talking about how he exactly plays) the closest comparison i can think of a player in another sport is how people evalutate curry even after he won back to back mvps and the first unanimous but they put so many names about him because psychologically they didnt know how to compare something so different. its obvious to thaty extreme but honestly purdys advanced stats was one of the best qb seaosn of all time that was skewed even more when he wa playing with concussions and had 1 bad game that was mostly bad luck against the wrong team. even after all that his advanced stats looked like you would have thought it was rodgers in his prime. dude broke the qb rating in a season....he broke several advanced nfl records and was close to others and all the others that in several catagories were all mvps. someone who doesnt look like a nfl qb had finally came to the nfl and hes here becuase his iq and he has 0 ego to help mold him the way he is needed to be molded to get better. qbs like him coming out of college dont change much about themselves because thats how they have played for a long time.....its imprinted in their brain. purdy got hurt, came back earlier than expected with a stronger arm than before and a better throwing motion. it doesnt make sense to people because no one expected it could happen.

[@chiprenner]

lets see how the Giants do.Jones has not had time to throw down field with the o-line he had.I am reserving my decision till the end of this season .If he sucks we get a qb next year & dump his contract.If he wins we keep going forward.

[@Raider870]

As a Raider no hate towards Lambo for keeping it real especially the crappy organization the Raiders have been.

[@martinezjames83]

.if anyone tginks the Raiders are run well, they dont truly understand the NFL. Its tough to watch em play..Carr had the most turmoil during his tenure there.

[@Showtimepicks_]

i always listen to lombardi because he is the only talking head that is actually qualified to critique these GM's because he has won superbowls as a general manager he knows what it takes not like all these other bozos

[@kenweide6083]

Will someone get the guy a better piece.

[@Hazeleyedbri]

First off in 2022 Giants had the 4th EASIEST schedule in the league. Daniel Jones ONLY averaged 165 yds PPG against everyone else. He played 2 games against the Vikings defense and that brought his average up to 185 yds PPG. Think about that They gave one of the WORST QBs in the league $47Mx2 and a $36M signing bonus. Because he wasn't tagged we lost Julian Love, Saquon Barkley and Xavier McKinney but we still have him. Giants will win between 2+6 games this season

[@brianburkhardt876]

Hoping you both eat your words! Go Giants!!

[@dustdevil9614]

Jesus Goff has rurned😢 around the damn Lions !!!!!! Thats Sandersesque. Give the accolades already 😮

[@StoneyHoliday]

As a rookie DJs stats were great minus the fumbling. And in those two Joe Judge years they made him afraid to throw the ball down the field. The oline has a lot to do with it but there are times the plays are there and he has conditioned himself to check down. In the Arizona game when he was coming from behind he had no choice but to throw down the field and was successful. A lot of his problems are self inflicted.

[@TheChappelleShow]

Who the fuck has Daniel jones had to throw the ball to. Sterling Shepard never played after his rookie season, slayton and engram were average to bad on a weekly basis. AND THEN THERES GOLLADAY AND TONEY.

[@ENJ3245]

Facts everything he said about the giants was a contradiction to his philosophy. can’t throw deep or intermediate without protection. And over the past 5 years the giants have spent a ton of capital on oline… the earliest pass catcher they have taken until now was Wan’Dale Robinson

[@pikebishop215]

No one can deny that Mike Lombardi knows football. With respect to Daniel Jones, Mike Lombardi has invested his emotions and reputation on his opinion that Daniel Jones is not a good quarterback. Mike Lombardi is not a prophet, and he does not know if Daniel Jones will succeed in 2024. He is hoping Daniel Jones fails, so he can say, "I told you so." I know much less than Mike Lombardi, but I "know" Daniel Jones will succeed in 2024, and Mike Lombardi will be proven wrong about Daniel Jones and the Giants. Mocking Daniel Jones is the latest fashion among NFL analysts. Mike Lombardi knows that a quarterback will do poorly without a competent offensive line; notwithstanding, Mike Lombardi ignores that the Giants had the worst offensive line in the NFL during 2023; yet, he criticizes Daniel Jones for not completing long passes.

[@misinfluence]

It’s been 6 years dude give it up

[@DonnaSbrocco-rj7uk]

You're exactly right

[@Notcherton]

kirk has been throwing at OTAs

[@MJfromdaO]

mike will be a senior citizen in a couple of weeks compared to mark cuban who is the same age. he looks wonderful

[@ENJ3245]

Kansas City’s receiving room are the refs that allow holds for the receivers to get open

[@mikemilton6322]

Ummm Kirk is participating in OTAs have you been paying attention

[@user-jz9eg9mt1c]

Maybe I'm going crazy but I could have swore. I saw Kirk cousins throwing balls to kyle pitts on Twitter.

[@ryanwhite9437]

Love the last question.. I would literally give ANYTHING to work in the football world. Doing ANYTHING. Let me be a ball boy or a water boy. Let me write about a specific team or the league in it's entirety. Let me be a scout. Let me be a trainer. Let me be a coach. Let me be a recruit. Let me work in the front office. Let me be some "assistant" that's a glorified errand/chore boy. I love the game so much. I love the league (and even college) SO much. It's always been my passion. Always been my first love. I know Xs and Os. I understand schemes. I understand the ins and outs of the game. I love it all. I would literally give ANYTHING to work for the league or some team in basically any capacity. My ultimate dream job.

[@TheKustms]

By FAR the most ads I’ve ever had to sit through in a video

[@Master_of_sum]

Bruh are you familiar with this crazy invention called fast forward

[@thesneakerchamp23]

That’s what premium is for 😂

[@chrisnase306]

Womp womp

[@amyswenson1706]

Lombardi says that for Maye to be good he needs good coaching, but then writes justin fields off when he never got properly developed by chicago?

[@mikesacco5853]

They don’t talk about the Giants until later in the broadcast and when they do, it’s for a minimal amount of time. This headline is trash.

[@scrapironff1873]

Odunze is Not a slot receiver! Lombardi should know this. Keenan Allen will be in the slot. Maybe Mike starting to get some dementia. Retire Mike, or pay more attention.

[@ronaldwaller4732]

I don’t know why people listen to Lombardi he stunk in Cleveland. 😂

[@mikechan231]

Lombardi’s take on WR is outdated. Yes, if you have PM, a GOAT #2 QB, yes, you can go with less. Try that with an average or even decent QB and you may not make the playoffs. Name a team that has gone deep in the playoffs in recent memory that did not have weapons at the WR position?

[@yahcrack]

Seem like after Lombardi trashed the Doug Pederson hire, he’s changed.

[@jovoniekemp6045]

Kelce 34

[@mikemix77]

This guy isn’t even related to Vince Lombardi, how’s he considered an expert when he’s mostly been an admin guy his whole career

[@trettyclaws1916]

Lombooooo 🤌🏽

[@divinerolle9384]

Love Lombardi… stop talking about the Giants. He doesn’t know much about our team & he’s just reading out irrelevant stats. Smh

[@misinfluence]

He’s right about Mara meddling idk how you deny that

[@landonsladek9624]

Biggest Chicago hater

[@traydevon]

Does this clown still think CJ Stroud is “not coachable”? Who used Lombardi to smear CJ Stroud before the 2023 Draft?

[@TheTruth_StraightNoChase]

Find your passion early and don't worry about making money.😂😂😂Sounds like advice from a person who hasn't had a bad day their entire life. 😅😅😅

[@someperson8151]

It's easy to say. For people who have parents to fall back on. Success breeds success. More successful your parents, the more risks one can take.

[@oletimegiantsfan]

These guys never watched any games when Jones took them to a season with a playoff win. He carried the team, not barkley, who was often hurt. Lombardi told a fantasy tale about players having a locker room split. If you follow the team, there was no such thing. The players loved Daniel Jones, and Barkley. "He's not able to elevate the team", So how did Richie James have a career year? What has he done before and since? The point is that year Jones had no talent to help him, yet still was able to have the year that he had. Trust your own eyes people, and not those that spin tales of being an insider when they weren't! OK, you say look at the stats for a game he won.. Only threw for 150 and ran for another 20. OK if you watched the game you would realize the 20 he ran for accounted for 5 first downs when nobody was open. The 150 was for 2 winning drives, including the clincher. The point that should be taken is " How was he able to win with so little" not " how little he did"!

[@misinfluence]

Daniel jones sucks at football and paying him was Maras meddling

[@charliedavenport3098]

Ah yes, the daily dose of Bears hate via Mike Lombardi

[@richj011]

He acts as though the Bears are a finished product by taking Rome. Keenan may be a rental and he just turned 32. Montana had Rice and Taylor. Pitt had Swan and Stallworth. You need great players at the skill positions. They also signed 3 OL and drafted one in the 3rd

[@frankpalancio8471]

I know a lot of arrogant NYG fans. So i'm very happy to see the Giants falling apart.

[@MGuitarZ77]

Giants have been awful for more than a decade. Who are these arrogant Giants fans you speak of? We all know this team sucks.

[@frankpalancio8471]

@MGuitarZ77 they are out there. They are newer fans who jumped on the bandwagon during the Eli years. Not the old school fans from the Parcell era. Most of them are clueless, thought that winning a playoff game 2 years ago was a trend, and not a fluke

[@4493bigticket]

Lombardi was just a D rider. He’s never been great when he was the g GM

[@garyhamalainen1651]

With all due respect to Mr. Lombardi, the Giants did not give Jones that contract to vindicate his worth as a #6 pick when Dave Gettelman was GM. All owners meddle to one degree or another but Mara is learning to let his GM and HC do their jobs. Mara didn't force Jones on Schoen and Daboll,........ they simply decided that based on Jones modest success in 2022 that he was their best available option at the time. Now after a disastrous 2023, it's easy to call that an ill advised decision but they all had to be on board(especially owner and GM) and if Jones can't cut it in 2024 he'll likely be done as Giants QB. I don't expect this season to look anything like 2023. I think Joe Schoen knows what he's doing and just hit a speed bump last season. Success doesn't always come overnight. Go Giants!!

[@yahcrack]

THE JETS LITERALLY HAVE A OWNER THAT PANDERS TO THEIR FANS ON INSTAGRAM

[@MichaelW969]

And Aaron Rodgers.

[@rickythompson8718]

It's not gonna work out well for Sean Payton in Denver. Without Drew Brees his walk into hall of fame is disappearing.

[@alexl6556]

He’s already going to get in

[@rickythompson8718]

@@alexl6556 You might be right. Personally, I think his Head Coaching shine is based on a myth. But, you might indeed be right.

[@alexl6556]

@@rickythompson8718 he won a Super Bowl with a recycled QB and a bad franchise. They had numerous playoff appearances. It’s not a myth lol

[@rickythompson8718]

@@alexl6556 That 'recycled QB' was Drew Brees, a future first ballot HOF guy. He rode Drew's coattails. Let's see him achieve something, anything, with a different QB.

[@rickythompson8718]

@@alexl6556 Drew Brees future first ballot HOFer. Credit should go to Brees not Payton the so-called QB Whisperer.

[@BlackSupremacyMustFall]

Let’s not be scared to say it, the atlanta GM is trash.

[@gregoryenste8459]

Does Lombardi have a job?🤔 nope. I’ll ask advice from an actual expert thanks.

[@ronaldjohnson4766]

Lombardi is a scrub and is two faced. SMH

[@fathead8165]

Plz don’t bring this guy on again

[@abdeenabdul7803]

Jared goff is better than purdy

[@tracklete1823]

I wish they’d stop letting Lombardi’s bias ass speak about football

[@DonnaSbrocco-rj7uk]

He is the worst guest anyone can have on.