Mike White Highlights - Week 13 - Every Pass vs Vikings

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@Simsema89
@Simsema89 Жыл бұрын
That Wilson Miss deep on 2nd to last drive Corey getting shoelace tackled on that 4th down And berruos drop Football is a game of inches and sometimes it rips our friggin hearts out
@12mach
@12mach Жыл бұрын
If he looked left he had moore on last play for a walk in td
@bdemanttt
@bdemanttt Жыл бұрын
@@12mach nah he wasn’t wide open would’ve been a tough throw to make, I’m more upset he didn’t run for the first down the play before
@meatyclackers3343
@meatyclackers3343 Жыл бұрын
after watching that jags game, the way this offense moves with mike white is unreal
@Michaeldemented94
@Michaeldemented94 Жыл бұрын
I love how Mike White has that old school drop back pocket passer style. Rightly so, nice and tall at 6’,5” he can really use that height to scan
@MrBrunoGI
@MrBrunoGI Жыл бұрын
Mark my words this lost will do more good than all of the wins we had. This team grew up today. Next week their going to find a way to win and go on a winning streak.
@Gemini50347
@Gemini50347 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@swe2680
@swe2680 Жыл бұрын
Hope.
@fishbrain23
@fishbrain23 Жыл бұрын
From ur mouth to God's ears!
@joshuacrespo5107
@joshuacrespo5107 Жыл бұрын
Yaknowwhadidis
@xavier2751
@xavier2751 Жыл бұрын
*loss
@trajoanmayberry3808
@trajoanmayberry3808 Жыл бұрын
Proud Of This Team fight to end That is what I loved to see in the team next week against Bills
@jacobkrivoshia9306
@jacobkrivoshia9306 Жыл бұрын
Damn seeing the last throw Wilson looked like he was gonna be open.
@derek9197
@derek9197 Жыл бұрын
Yeah saw that too. I think he was
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
There were 2 open routes, Moore was covered by a LB underneath... White threw into triple coverage instead.
@TonydaGM
@TonydaGM Жыл бұрын
@@wrecktangle He needs to throw into the endzone it was the final play
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
@@TonydaGM Yeah and Wilson was going to be wide open in the corner of the endzone.
@willievision9939
@willievision9939 Жыл бұрын
No way any person who actually knows football can say white played bad when his oc had a terrible day, when his oline nd defense were sleep the first half and when u have 4 recievers dropping balls that are hitting them in the hands and chest, yea he threw 57 x but thats on having to play from behind the entire game and play calling, he missed a few as well but overall kept us alive in this game
@Gemini50347
@Gemini50347 Жыл бұрын
Facts.... Y'all got your QB for the future....... Zach should be traded
@OhShevski
@OhShevski Жыл бұрын
i wouldnt say lafluer had a terrible day, but he had the inabilty to draw up plays in the redzone in the final drive.
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
@@Gemini50347 Yes... in fact, Zach Wilson should demand a trade and make certain he escapes that dumpster fire of a coaching staff.
@josephruoccojr.912
@josephruoccojr.912 Жыл бұрын
@@wrecktangle Wilson sucks
@josephruoccojr.912
@josephruoccojr.912 Жыл бұрын
@@wrecktangle master of fact , the Jets should trade him to the CFL. He isn't an NFL caliber qb
@jaylong4705
@jaylong4705 Жыл бұрын
One friggin yard. The offensive play calling in the red zone was absolutely horrendous. Not White's fault. Had this game won. LaFleur has work to do.
@arjl880
@arjl880 Жыл бұрын
Yea but berrios shouldve secured that pass
@greenguy17527
@greenguy17527 Жыл бұрын
@@arjl880 exactly
@wa2k99
@wa2k99 Жыл бұрын
The players did not execute
@jonw.415
@jonw.415 Жыл бұрын
Between Zach and lafluer idk how we have seven wins
@arjl880
@arjl880 Жыл бұрын
I know there aren't morale victories but Im still proud of how Mike and offense balled out. It bodes well for the rest of the month. Plenty of football left to play. I would've definitely love the win, especially since it was within grasp but I also wanted to see what Mike White was made of as a passer and he showed the gap between him and Zach is larger than we thought. For the time being I think we have our QB till further notice
@Geeandrezzi
@Geeandrezzi Жыл бұрын
This is most of us “Zach-haters” (funny to think we were called haters lol) meant by QB play giving us a chance to win games. Mike balled out, I’d give him a 3-yr contract right now as our starter
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
He should have thrown 4-6 ints if the defense had hands lol. He's lucky he left the game with only 2
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
@@pauliej345 disagree 100%
@josephruoccojr.912
@josephruoccojr.912 Жыл бұрын
@@kelleywilson141 if you disagree with his statement , you know NOTHING about football. Zach wilson sucks ass
@adamdodds144
@adamdodds144 Жыл бұрын
@@kelleywilson141 He literally had 2 directly to defenders on the last 3 plays.
@theforeverpuddle8754
@theforeverpuddle8754 Жыл бұрын
Some close shots here. I'm sure they'll be doing more red zone drills this week.
@saveyurs911
@saveyurs911 Жыл бұрын
On the last play #25 had a step on the linebacker. A nice touch pass would have been a walk in TD.
@saveyurs911
@saveyurs911 Жыл бұрын
Correction it was #8 who had a step on the linebacker
@Hecta325
@Hecta325 Жыл бұрын
I can see why the Jets lost yesterday, i counted over 7 times when Moore was open and White missed him… i know the Jets don’t like Moore but damn they are willing to lose instead of not throwing the ball to him… kinda sad if you ask me… even the Vikings secondary gave up on Moore
@meatyclackers3343
@meatyclackers3343 Жыл бұрын
mike white is the future. throw your zach wilson jersey in the trash cause that’s what he is
@swe2680
@swe2680 Жыл бұрын
4th and driving down the field, White throws into double coverage while Moore was wide open for an east 1st down.
@MH-yp4or
@MH-yp4or Жыл бұрын
Yeah just looking at this video you can tell 90% of the time Wilson is Mike's first read. Play calling needs to improve, Davis and Moore were not well used in the script
@swe2680
@swe2680 Жыл бұрын
Two QBs missing Moore wide open? Maybe three with Flacco. The OC has him low in the progression order.
@JustBreatheASMR
@JustBreatheASMR Жыл бұрын
Welp Buffalo just became a must win next week, and I'm talking like a legit MUST WIN!!! This IS the season next week
@arjl880
@arjl880 Жыл бұрын
Not really, we still a game up from chargers and pats, pats already lost this week and the chargers still have to play. So much can happen between now and the end of this month. They just need to go out and ball one game at a time
@spendsshanks6050
@spendsshanks6050 Жыл бұрын
@@arjl880 Yes really
@anthony-le5uo
@anthony-le5uo Жыл бұрын
@@spendsshanks6050 he just explained how it wasn't kid
@joshualuna1245
@joshualuna1245 Жыл бұрын
AGAIN IDK WHY THE JETS MOVED ON WIT MIKE WHITE EVEN ON BAD GAMES HE STILL PLAYED BETTER THEN WILSON
@evanwallman7704
@evanwallman7704 Жыл бұрын
Counted 13 drops one throw away and two batted down at the line of scrimmage that is 16 incomplete passes that aren’t his fault
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
What about the ints he should have thrown that the defense dropped. He should have had 4-6ints at end of game. He's lucky he game away with only 2
@jetfocus1152
@jetfocus1152 Жыл бұрын
That’s a ton of excuses. Wow
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
@@pauliej345 disagree 100%
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
So, the same exact receivers that Zach Wilson deals with? I remember Jets fans blaming the drops on "Wilson throwing too hard"... guess we can put that stuff to rest.
@dimitrythomas4158
@dimitrythomas4158 Жыл бұрын
The “drops” were mostly late or off target throws
@meatyclackers3343
@meatyclackers3343 Жыл бұрын
THE FUTURE
@JTCOOL892
@JTCOOL892 Жыл бұрын
Damn that backend GW needed to be inches over in the back. Safety and CBs zeroed in on Davis. Damn that was a TD if he made a back shoulder throw to GW in the back of the end zone. Jets really impressed me way more in this game. The better team lost by inches
@TimesUp777
@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын
The Vikes are better then duh Jets! Lol
@JTCOOL892
@JTCOOL892 Жыл бұрын
@@TimesUp777 not really. That game was for the jets to lose. If the Vikings are that good then they should have convincingly beat them the way the cowboys beat the breaks off of the Vikings. Great teams don’t give opportunities like that twice. That’ll cost them in the postseason. A 2nd string QB outplayed Kirk. Just didn’t get the W.
@getskraighttoit
@getskraighttoit Жыл бұрын
I Love Mike white but as a non mobile/statue qb you HAVE to instinctively run when it’s extremely open. On that last 3rd down he could’ve easily either got a first down or atleast picked up 7-8 n got out of bounds to make it more manageable….
@justinwhite9340
@justinwhite9340 Жыл бұрын
Lol. Yes, if every Viking on the field stopped where they were MW gets that 1st down.
@getskraighttoit
@getskraighttoit Жыл бұрын
@@justinwhite9340 umm first it seems you didn’t finish reading my comment where i said he coulda atleast picked up 7-8 n got out of bounds. Secondly @12:18 there was NO ONE QB spying, everyone was worried about the receivers down the field. He could’ve absolutely picked up that first down!!don’t know what you’re lookin at
@MH-yp4or
@MH-yp4or Жыл бұрын
Mike is kinda slow but I get what you're saying.
@getskraighttoit
@getskraighttoit Жыл бұрын
@@MH-yp4or he doesn’t needa win a foot race, just make the right play when it presents itself. We’ve seen Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers slow asses take off in late game situations. This has nothing to do with speed just making the right(instinctive) play on getting a handful of yards(if not the first down) to put your team in a better situation. All he had to do is literally pump fake while he’s still already running in stride like you see in this last 3rd down of the game. QBs(especially slow ones) do it all the time to slightly throw defenses off to be able to pick up extra yards. Shit even without pump faking he woulda picked up a huge chunk of yards….this play came down to not speed, just INSTINCT. Had hella open field in front of him.
@victorhigdon4257
@victorhigdon4257 Жыл бұрын
At 10:38 mark the incomplete pass should have been ruled a fumble. Totally missed call!~
@ahraranwar3227
@ahraranwar3227 Жыл бұрын
No, his arm was moving forward with control of the ball when the ball was knocked out
@crestedgeckochannel2128
@crestedgeckochannel2128 Жыл бұрын
I meant 3:43
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
You talking about how #8 was completely wide open for a 75 yard touchdown and instead White throws over the middle? Completely blown coverage on #8.
@mfritz2087
@mfritz2087 Жыл бұрын
So pissed with some of this play calling bro we should've won this game
@crestedgeckochannel2128
@crestedgeckochannel2128 Жыл бұрын
Mike white made some Zach wilson throws like at3:32
@ynkybomber
@ynkybomber Жыл бұрын
The Jets are definitely on the upswing
@hunts2782
@hunts2782 Жыл бұрын
So what I learned today is that we suck in the red zone!
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
Still think it was pass interference on first interception
@Lee-dq9iw
@Lee-dq9iw Жыл бұрын
I would rather have white under center than Wilson,at least you see improvements with white
@salmanjets718
@salmanjets718 Жыл бұрын
Aye yo.. they really skipped the jets long ass field goal at the half??
@salmanjets718
@salmanjets718 Жыл бұрын
Oh never mind I’m high. I thought I was watching nfls official highlights 😂
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
Zach Wilson would be 7-2 on the season right now... sad.
@josephruoccojr.912
@josephruoccojr.912 Жыл бұрын
Wilson sucks , go away . We will gladly give him to whatever team you are a fan of . The kid blows
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
@@josephruoccojr.912 Thank you. BTW Mike White is going to get fucked up by the Bills... you're not going to make the playoffs and I think it's funny.
@up4debatewscoop537
@up4debatewscoop537 Жыл бұрын
moore on a linebacker for last play easy td smh
@tomsensale2104
@tomsensale2104 Жыл бұрын
could've saved that shovel pass to Conklin for the redzone. The Chiefs hit that all the time for scores.
@bdemanttt
@bdemanttt Жыл бұрын
Love Mike white ! Way better than Zach . He Should’ve ran for the first down on that 3rd down before the last play 😢😢😢😢
@Jay-rq5ui
@Jay-rq5ui Жыл бұрын
Purdy x White season
@Josebats89
@Josebats89 Жыл бұрын
I told you Kirk Cousins is dancing
@JimDiBattista
@JimDiBattista Жыл бұрын
Change the Playback speed of this video to .05 (half speed) and bring the video to 0.37 and press play. Somebody please explain to me how that isn't Defensive Pass Interference, you can stop the video and the ball is 3 yards away from Corey Davis and the Viking defender is ON THE RECEIVERS BACK grabbing and tackling him, how can that play NOT be called? The Jets had to play a 9-2 team at their stadium and get twice as many penalties called for twice as many yards, not ebven counting a half dozen other plays that weren't even called.
@Ginfinit
@Ginfinit Жыл бұрын
Moore did all that crying for the ball . To get a pass and give it a half ass effort . Dude had so much room for a toe tap calling it now he’s going to be a diva receiver . Look at who his buddies are
@andy522g
@andy522g Жыл бұрын
Duane brown got embarrassed on the last play
@andy522g
@andy522g Жыл бұрын
If he would have just protected better mike white could have had a open garret wilson
@coyote5.014
@coyote5.014 Жыл бұрын
If he would've threw the ball to Elijah Moore on that last play we would've won. He was wide open.
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
Pass interference on mims at 2 min 42 seconds. Horrible!
@JimDiBattista
@JimDiBattista Жыл бұрын
Apparently when you're on the Vikings and playing at home you are ALLOWED to hit a player while the ball is still 3-4 yards away from the WR. There were probably a half a dozen of these uncalled on the Vikings plays-and they still nearly lost. I really hate when you have to play against the opponent AND the crooked zebra crew, same thing against Denver and the Patriots one we held on and the Pats won on-guess what an uncalled and plain as day block in the back-not to mention two hits to the head on Zach Wilson - Uncalled.
@jeffersonjohnson
@jeffersonjohnson Жыл бұрын
1-12 on passing 3rd down conversions....awful. Cant hit Moore on an open sideline rout on the last drive to give them 4 more downs to score with 16 seconds left. If you have your MW goggles on then pause it at the 12:20 mark and tell me he isnt open.
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
Also check the last play of the game... Wilson was going to be extremely wide open in the corner of the endzone, instead he threw into triple coverage.
@greenguy17527
@greenguy17527 Жыл бұрын
@@wrecktangle the safety was covering him and came off to pick it
@ladistar
@ladistar Жыл бұрын
Who do you guys blame the most for this loss?
@willievision9939
@willievision9939 Жыл бұрын
Lafluer
@mike11burke
@mike11burke Жыл бұрын
The vikings
@justinwhite9340
@justinwhite9340 Жыл бұрын
Moore
@J-tu2pb
@J-tu2pb Жыл бұрын
White played well Wilson would not have been able to play like this against the Vikings. Because of this performance he should be the starter the rest of the year
@MU-nf9tl
@MU-nf9tl Жыл бұрын
Wilson couldn’t have put up a game with 0 tds and 2 ints, to go with a sub 60 QBR and comp%, against one of the leagues worst passing defenses? If white plays badly against Buffalo why should he still have a starting job guaranteed?
@rayshardsmith2546
@rayshardsmith2546 Жыл бұрын
Mike White gives me 2009 Flacco vibes … and Flacco is his teammate… that’s by no coincidence that Flacco is the number 2 and not Zach
@dimitrythomas4158
@dimitrythomas4158 Жыл бұрын
No way. Flacco had a cannon
@TonydaGM
@TonydaGM Жыл бұрын
1:55, 4:55,4:44,5:15,5:32,6:25,7:29,7:46,10:12, 10:46, 11:50 If you think Mike White is not a better option at QB and cannot be developed you are wrong. His 1st interception was unlucky. His second was a forced throw on the last play. Every NFL QB with only 5 games of experience make a bad pass , bad decision, and incorrect reads. Those were 10-11 high end throws .
@MRMCDONALD13
@MRMCDONALD13 Жыл бұрын
No "moral victories", berrios should have caught that touchdown pass. Even with all the penalties against us, that would be the play of the game
@roguenugget242
@roguenugget242 Жыл бұрын
Despite having over 350+ yards, he kept forcing balls into double coverage and overthrowing receivers. An okay day for him, but also exposed many other problems in the offense
@Geeandrezzi
@Geeandrezzi Жыл бұрын
He missed a handful of throws, no more than the average QB on a Sunday. He also made some unbelievable passes with touch, accuracy, precision and gave us a chance to win in the end on multiple drives. As of now, I’m riding with Mike white
@nickkambos8514
@nickkambos8514 Жыл бұрын
Yea but what do you expect when he throws 60 time run the dam ball for Christ sake we wouldn’t have seen half of that if we ran the ball for once
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
He threw 2ints but it should have been 4-6 ints if defense didn't drop the ball. I have to agree here he threw alot of passes into Double coverage and the defense just seemed to know where he was going. I wonder if he's bot looking off the defense well enough. He def had more misses and misleads than the avg QB game
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
@@pauliej345 disagree 100%
@wrecktangle
@wrecktangle Жыл бұрын
@@Geeandrezzi Against the 32nd ranked (literally LAST PLACE) defense in giving up passing yards.
@arielrodriguez5075
@arielrodriguez5075 Жыл бұрын
Duane brown got destroyed last play …. Even a decent block could’ve saved MW a second more to see GW getting wide open in the end zone for a game winning td ….
@italianlovingtheirish6733
@italianlovingtheirish6733 Жыл бұрын
I was one that believed he didn’t have the game others believed and did it by memory. Watching every throw it was worse than I thought. Passes not thrown on time, not seeing wide open receivers, missing 17 wide open for TD, passes thrown behind receivers. He should have been intercepted 5 times.
@joecat1075
@joecat1075 Жыл бұрын
Not mike whites fault he stepped up after that hit the play calling in the redzone is embarrassing
@srsh12345
@srsh12345 Жыл бұрын
Multiple times he overlooked an open Moore for a much harder pass that wound up incomplete. Also, White's lack of speed is kind of amazing to watch. I'm not confident that he can out run all the refs on the field in a sprint.
@seanspreckelsen3496
@seanspreckelsen3496 Жыл бұрын
Watching tape, you will literally ALWAYS see qbs miss wide open looks. On every single play. It's pretty common lol
@ehk2717
@ehk2717 Жыл бұрын
Noticed that Moore was open a lot and never got a look smh.
@mr_excessive_tackle1114
@mr_excessive_tackle1114 Жыл бұрын
I'm sick
@jack-el9xt
@jack-el9xt Жыл бұрын
Definitely played better than Wilson, but can’t help but see he missed a lot of open receivers and was late and inaccurate on a lot of throws. Glad he was better than Wilson but still doesn’t seem like a quarterback of the future.
@jonathanlangston8753
@jonathanlangston8753 Жыл бұрын
How in the world do we not win against one of the worst defenses in the league and with our defense? Things are getting really twisted with this whole MW for king talk. Cowboys 40-3 win over Vikings, this is what the Jets should of resulted.
@victorhigdon4257
@victorhigdon4257 Жыл бұрын
sideline camera showed whites td run was very skeptical. imo to close to overturn no td call. The announcers ignored the best angle of the play...they only showed it once. Sad.
@ahraranwar3227
@ahraranwar3227 Жыл бұрын
Sideline angle was even more clear that he was in
@TimesUp777
@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын
He stepped on the white goal line. It was a TD
@rsbutz1
@rsbutz1 Жыл бұрын
Still better than Zach and it's not remotely close
@jetfocus1152
@jetfocus1152 Жыл бұрын
Zach hasn’t played a pass defense that bad and it’s not even close.
@josephruoccojr.912
@josephruoccojr.912 Жыл бұрын
@@jetfocus1152 wilson sucks . Period and it's not even close . We need to trade him now , so you can just STFU
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
White got lucky he threw 2 ints but really should have been about 4-6 ints today. Lucky those defenders don't have hands
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
Disagree 100%
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
Disagree 100%
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
@@kelleywilson141 you disagree about as much as Mike White throws Picks! 🙄
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
@@pauliej345 glad you don't like Mike White!
@wasssuuuppp
@wasssuuuppp Жыл бұрын
Mike is not a good coordinator man, he’s been so up & down. One week he’s good & then the other it’s like “What the fuck are you doing”
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
This week he got lucky to only throw 2ints. He should have thrown 4-6 if it wasn't for defense dropping the ball
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
@@pauliej345 disagree 100%
@gilbertgiles
@gilbertgiles Жыл бұрын
Stupid loss. White played good.
@pauliej345
@pauliej345 Жыл бұрын
He played ok. He made some good throws and he made some bad throws but he also threw a lot of really stupid throws and should have had 4-6 ints if it wasn't for defsme dripping the ball. He's lucky he only threw 2 today
@jetfocus1152
@jetfocus1152 Жыл бұрын
Played the 2nd worst pass D and had the 2nd worst qb rating in the league. 🤷‍♂️
@kelleywilson141
@kelleywilson141 Жыл бұрын
@@pauliej345 disagree 100%
@josepha3116
@josepha3116 Жыл бұрын
people really arent talking about how aggressively attacks the Defense deep downfield and he has made several wow throws into tight windows - he's no game manager
@jetfocus1152
@jetfocus1152 Жыл бұрын
White playing the 2nd worst defense in the league had the 2nd worst QB rating in the league.
@jetfocus1152
@jetfocus1152 Жыл бұрын
Dink and dunk artist
@heathhenderson8235
@heathhenderson8235 Жыл бұрын
A lot of good and a lot of bad from White hear. He threw behind receivers far too many times but he worked the pocket extremely well to buy time and deliver some darts. Can’t ask for much more though from your back up. He’s never gonna be consistently good because it’s an unrealistic ask for a player of his stature but if he can have a few moments like the 4th down to Corey it’ll keep us in games and you never know after that.
@manuvsteal
@manuvsteal Жыл бұрын
Respect everyone's opinion, but disagree with you. His receivers got two hands on the ball, you can't complain it's in front or behind them. They need to catch it, and they weren't hard catches to make. He's been consistently good. He's played 5 games, and had 3 300 yard passing games, and multiple games with 3 TD's. Lastly, you mentioned his stature, which is not really a thing. A player is as good as their play is, not where they were drafted, or where they rank on a depth chart. Every time the ball is in this guy's hands, he produces. This game is his "bad"game, and the Jets produced 500 yards of offense. Maybe he drops to earth a little bit, but his consistency, and play are not really in question IMO.
@birdbangbobarui
@birdbangbobarui Жыл бұрын
I’m tapping out Mike White is Horrible
@italianlovingtheirish6733
@italianlovingtheirish6733 Жыл бұрын
So you also noticed it wasn’t the game everyone thought for White. At best his game vs Vikes was similar to Wilson’s vs first NE game.
@birdbangbobarui
@birdbangbobarui Жыл бұрын
@@italianlovingtheirish6733 at best Mike White was just mediocre he has allot of polishing to do needs improvement
@fishbrain23
@fishbrain23 Жыл бұрын
If White is horrible then Zach is atrocious
@birdbangbobarui
@birdbangbobarui Жыл бұрын
@@fishbrain23 they shud have already waived him not enough
@Alex-zj9lf
@Alex-zj9lf Жыл бұрын
Jets fans in denial, White is far below average QB and Jets about to miss playoffs if Zach doesn't comeback. Zach is 5-2 and only played bad against patriots twice
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