Price Differences of Military Surplus Pistols. 2012-2022 Edition.

[@JDre-ox2hu]

Even though we are in the twilight of the milsurp era, I will say there were still gems to be had up to the end that didn’t exist early on. Namely the T54 and M57’s that you showed in the video, how thrilled I was to see tok pistols that only needed a trigger swap to be in an original configuration.

[@jacobmiller386]

I started collecting in 2016. A little behind the ball but in the years since, I've had fantastic luck in pawn shops and little "hole in the wall" shops both in my area and while traveling. I picked up a Standard Products M1 Carbine in Sep.2019 for $200, a CZ82 for 210 in Nov.2020 and a Ruby earlier this year for $155. Patience and a willingness to actually search goes a long way. By the way, I love your videos. Happy hunting!

[@Blin240]

Cz82 will always be the best surplus for me behind the Makarov.

[@raddlog]

When I got my C&R in the early 2000's, I set my sights on a Carl Gustaf M/45 "Swedish K". They were around $1600 at that time. I couldn't afford it, so I never got one. One just sold at auction for $60,000...

[@alexwieland-ducher8792]

The M1911 market is just nuts. I've always wanted one but not for $1500-$2000 that people are trying to sell them for on Gunbroker. What really gets me is when CMP released a lot of M1911s that were refurbished not that long ago they all disappeared really quick and ended back on Gunbroker for twice the price.

[@albundy7459]

Surplus isn’t a hobby anymore. It’s a club.

[@RAZ0RGAM1NG]

Havent gotten a luger yet cuz a bunch of fudds refuse to sell them for less than a grand and usuallly more

[@oolooo]

WWII is over , Fudds , stop hunting for Lugers like a US Soldier

[@Zane-It]

Yeah I'm not buying outdated guns for a grand.

[@jasonbuck489]

Fudds are getting old and are starting to wither away and die off.... In the next 5-10 years we'll see prices drop because of that and because their children and grandchildren have no interest and will sell off the collections....

[@MikeB128]

Not true at all. You'll be paying the going-rate for all of their firearms, just like people have been for years. They've been dying for decades, and won't all die at once. I made an entire video debunking that sort of unrealistic "wishful thinking". The internet exists, and as long as it does, you're never going to see the prices of the "good ol' days".

[@feralvulcan7955]

Prices go up. And unless the market gets magically flooded with more, then we will never see the old prices again. You can either buy what you want now or wait until the prices go up even more.

[@connorburnham9417]

Ya, I paid $400 back in the day for a shooter grade M1 Garand, $200 for a Mosin nagant m38, $100 for a Star super B, $200 for a all milled yugo mauser. Prices have definitely gone up I feel bad for all they guys just now getting into military surplus.

[@MikeB128]

Me too. It sucks.

[@evilassaultweaponeer]

I’m just happy I got my $80 M91/30 and a bunch of ammo. Wish I’d had the scratch for a whole crate of them haha

[@alexzorro8884]

Good video Mike. Funny I don't remember most of those ever being that cheap in 2012 . GB and ebay completed listing is where I always tended to look for values . I do remember looking at svt40s in the 900- 1000 dollars range on GB range and regret I didn't bite the bullet and buy one back the or the $600 Rasheed. These were always my favorite type vids you do Mike!

[@4element3]

Bought my svt-40 two years ago for 1,400 and my Rasheed for 300 about 6 years ago.

[@raddlog]

I regret not buying an SVT40 when they were $600.

[@DeimosPC]

I have two Tokarevs. I have a Russian TT-33 made in WW2 and then refurbed at the factory at some point. All matching, no import marks. Then I have a Polish Circle 11 Tok. Love them both, They're some of my favorite pistols to shoot and I think 7.62x25 is an awesome round.

[@robosoldier11]

Love my FEG High Power. Snagged mine right on the money as you listed for 400 dollars in a private sales. Still pricey but compared to an actual High power its way better in price and ya still get a pretty good gun despite it being a clone. Mine was part of the Hungarian police department back in the day so thats some cool history to it.

[@denniswilson9317]

I started collecting milsurp handguns about 3 years ago. I am a "boomer" so of course, naturally I remember passing on hundreds of deals decades ago because I only bought new or newish back then. My mistake. Now I buy milsurp at gunshows and from individuals because gun stores rarely have them. I have only bought one off the net so far because by the time you add shipping, tax, and ffl fee it's many times not a deal any longer. This is an awesome video because it reminds me of what all is out there and what the ballpark cost should be. Mike B just moved way up on my list.

[@thorg8362]

That mosin bolt in the back was distracting me in the beginning lmao

[@joshwells4280]

Love the looks of the VZ52

[@pocketsand4404]

Saw a Ruby .32acp pistol at the gunshow recently for 200 dollars. So good prices are out there you just have to find them.

[@jimsiress9687]

I am the last of the Boomers. I do not have tendencies nor do I personally know of other 'Boomers' that display the lack of intelligence, insight & firearms historical knowledge brevity that you seem to suggest. I was full-time gun dealer for most of 28 years prior to 2005. I say the largest portion of 'Boomer' gun owners had complete collections for the most part before 2012. I sold a LOT of mil surplus between 1995- 2004. Most went to young adults & college age. Hope a few were smart enough to have kept them. Interesting video even with editorial. Carry on.

[@MikeB128]

It was tongue in cheek............

[@jimsiress9687]

@@MikeB128 No worries Bro. Mike. Your content is quite fantastic & informative.

[@rcl8793]

If inflation is 10% and the price of what you're buying goes up 25%, it's not because of inflation.

[@MikeB128]

Correct, but internet "expert" commenters beg to differ.

[@trevorlarson3984]

I love my tokarev pistols. I got my CZ52 because my local shop had one and I was like hm I should get that now before it disappears. Neat little pistol and is quite enjoyable to shoot. My favorite though has to be my M57. I love shooting that thing and I even got it cerakoted and used it in a summer pistol league.

[@michaeloreagan9758]

Being in my early 20s and getting into the c&r game now sucks. I wish I could've gotten into this game 20 years ago.

[@royalservant7011]

I love surplus, unfortunately I was late to the game, so I'm stuck paying these prices

[@floopusdoopus]

By the time I can get into milsurp, an old 1911 is gonna be 2500

[@toddwebb7521]

Remember when the Nagants used to be like $50 in the 90s

[@mkruk2]

They were $90 when I got into the hobby, and you couldn't give them away. To be honest, I have no regrets about passing on them.

[@deadeye566]

In 1988 I was managing the Beverly Hills Gun Shop, and I bought a WW II .45 Automatic for $125.00. That was the going rate for them back then. I can't believe what they are going for now.

[@MikeB128]

Yeah it's nuts. After Saving Private Ryan, it was game over for U.S. surplus.

[@dudebroski9460]

I'm a shooter, I love the 92 fs platform. I spent thousands of rounds training my finger for the heavy first pull and then the subsequent lighter next pulls. I love how it bucks backward into my palm in a way no other 9mm does. That said, when I first got over my pissed offedness from being told my entire life the 1911 was the best thing since sliced bread... I bought a rock island in 9mm and 45 because they are affordable and are basically colt 70 series. I exchanged the internals with colt gold cup trigger and hammer parts. I tuned the extractor, added a beaver tail and some harret wood grips, de horned it, I have owned a colt commander that was custom shop dehorned, I used a valve grinder to achieve what I think are exactly the same out come. I bought a jig and some checkered files and did 20 lines per inch checkered on the front of the grip frame. Beveled the mag wells a little on each and tuned the springs. I also added a few handmade brass washers to fix tolerances on the beavertails and make the gun feel a bit tighter. They are amazing pistols, the trigger as a shooter is incredible. In full size the 9m 1911 is amazing to shoot, I daily carry a staccato c now because I feel I can shoot best with it. It's bittersweet when they are right. I love my m9 replica I got in the mid 2010s, bought it brand new as a divorce present to myself, the Beretta is a big set it and forget it kinda gun, the 1911 is a shooters forever needs something tuned and tweaked hotrod.

[@rickyl7231]

I wonder if the economy sucking hard between 2008 and about 2012 to 14ish might have something to do with prices going insane in the past 8 to 10 years. People seem to buy shit that are NOT investments as “investments” when the economy is good, but when it hits the fan everything that isn’t an absolute gem (hopefully) goes down as the mortgage is more important than keeping a bunch of stuff in Bubba’s safe

[@andrewschulze3865]

I got a CZ82 9x18 for $380, beat to hell and back, finish coming off but shoots straight and true and rifling is perfect plus the original holster from some dude in Europe carrying it everyday

[@jbraavo24]

Ive been stocking up on Italian carcano cavelry carbines lately. Theyre one of the last military surplus rifles on the primary market for 100 to 200 dollars in my experience. I usually opt for an early bayonet release for an extra 30 bucks or so, in hopes I get a pre ww1 Rifle. I was buying one every month for a while and just stashing them away, trying not to get attached. I figure once they dry up I can sell a few lesser examples and pay for the ones I decide to keep. I see the same rifles on GB already for double. Just a matter of time before people are talking about them like mosin nagants. "Back in my day them Eyetalian Volcano rifles was $150 from royal tiger"

[@kentuckyfriedpepespeaks1550]

I got my carcano for around $200 a few weeks ago, seems to be the only surplus rifle that is a good price, thinking of getting another later model one before the price shoots up but ammo is so hard to find for them

[@robosoldier11]

@@kentuckyfriedpepespeaks1550 problem with carcanos is A. the clips, which can be quite annoying to get and B. the ammo. So even if you get the gun for cheap good luck finding the ammo to shoot it. Unless your lucky and maybe got some local guy making some stuff for ya.

[@jbraavo24]

@@robosoldier11 the clips are out there if you look in the right places. I'm lucky that my dad shot off a bunch of surplus back in the 60s and 70s and kept all the boxes, brass and clips. He said every box had 3 or four duds and several hang fires. PPU is a good resource for 6.5 carcano. They only do 1 or two production runs every year so its either plentiful or dried up depending on the time of year. With the influx of carcano rifles into the US, it dries up much quicker. Hopefully they ramp up production to meet demand. I have 10 boxes and it was tempting to sell it all during the shortage when it was going for $60-$100 a box on gunbroker. I didn't want to contribute to the gougers so I just kept it all. Can't remember the last time I shot a carcano, not sure it'll be anytime soon either so I'll just keep accumulating ammo.

[@propdoctor21564]

Another excellent video. 👍👍 I found this one because I just finished watching the other one you just made about surplus rifles which made me look through your playlist to find this.... As I stated in my comment on the rifle video I did a majority of my collecting between 2005 and 2015 when prices were still Fair... The only thing I've bought in the last couple years that surplus are a few Italian carcano carbines simply because they are still what I consider reasonable priced... I amassed quite a collection in the 10 years when I was doing lots of buying and sadly if I had started recently I would not have much of a collection at all due to insane prices...

[@MikeUSA67]

Hi Mike, really nice and informative video! Your comments on the 1911 made me laugh 😅How you pointed out the difference between inflation and supply/demand was spot on - but you forgot to mention an equal blamable reason for the price hike: insatiable greed by the sellers and an increasing lack of common knowledge by the buyers! I don't buy guns but I see that even with everyday items on eBay. Greetings from Mike (expat in Germany)

[@dlife7427]

That Radom is beautiful. I sold a prewar 38' for about 4k around 10 years ago. I didn't have the original magazine, and it had the "clear Sweetheart" grips. I wish I could find a nazi post war version in the kind of shape yours is in

[@mattypants1975]

I have been looking for an m1895 revolver for two years now. They have gotten out of control price wise, if you can find them

[@danielcurtis8746]

I absolutely regret never buying a luger or a walther p38. I definitely can't afford em now! And whoever thinks it's inflation has lost their mind, it all has been creeping up. And FYI tge star bm that I have will absolutely stand it's own with any new and old pistol you put beside it

[@deet_boii]

Tokarev for the win. Got one with the yugo crest for $199. Worth 600ish now. Surplus is great when you got in early, sucks when you try to get in too late.

[@MikeB128]

No, they're not worth fucking $600..... $200 was the average going rate last year, settle down....

[@deet_boii]

@@MikeB128 tell that to the pawn shop that bought it 2 months ago for $575. I did have 3 mags and a holster though.

[@MikeB128]

So you saw one idiot at a pawn shop asking $600 and that's your determining factor in "value"? Nice...

[@deet_boii]

I bought and sold an m57 for those prices.... That was my personal experience. So sample size of one but They're on GB for 500 all the time... I'm sure you've seen them. Just because you Personally wouldn't pay that much for one doesn't mean other people wouldn't.

[@jasonbuck489]

Yep... Those Nagant Pistols back in the mid 2000's, they couldn't give them away!... My local gun shop had probably 150 of the damn things, and they were brand spankin' new, in the greasy boxes and paper... For another $10 you got the holster and cleaning kit... I bought one for like, uh.... $120 some dollars for everything including a box of ammo... I shot the Hell out of the damn thing... It really liked 32 Long Colt..... Not a great loss, but it was stolen when I was burglarized back a few years ago.... Ahhh, memories!... Haha!

[@jonathangreer7587]

I love my cz 82. Wish I got 2 when I got mine originally because the wife likes it so now I have to get her one

[@st9041]

Very good Mike loved your presentation

[@MikeB128]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@MrDkusa]

Hello from California.. yes I know. Visited a local gun shop the other day. They had a p.38 in the display case. Apparently from when they switched factories. Price tag $1800

[@kentuckyfriedpepespeaks1550]

I was at a gun store recently for an FFL transfer and I saw in the pistol case a makarov pistol for $215, it looked like it was brand new or at least in really good condition. I think it’s a reproduction of some kind but I still wonder if it was an original

[@scottdpugnificent]

Atlantic is getting some repoductions in made by arsenal.

[@TheAir2142]

Do you think the coming of age for 17 year old kids and younger that grew up playing WW2 cod games IE World at War had an effect on market price from kids wanting to buy guns from their favorite games?

[@redcat9436]

Yes.

[@klingerwvu5253]

Nice collection

[@greenman7652]

Good stuff just bought a M70 - 32ACP it is in great condition. Never bought a used gun. Honestly I am glad I only paid 300, it's super heavy bulky and just ok on accuracy at 30 yards. I do want a berretta bb/ f2 in 32 but can't find 1.

[@mattschmitt9924]

I like the M70. I got one a couple years ago at an auction. I was surprised at the lack of interest. She was as a greasy little girl! Never shot a bb but the tomcat is a cool pocket pistol in 32acp.

[@seanbaker9796]

I love the tokarev series also. Weird about the Chinese.

[@zombieplus1423]

Hey man, it's odd but I'm not going to complain.

[@vincespec-op4710]

Awesome video!!! Thank you Sir for doing this!!!💯🤙🏼

[@seanbaker9796]

The Cz vz50 and vz70 are great. I have a 1970 made vz70

[@doranmaxwell1755]

For sure there was a sweet spot where a lot of Your-0-Peean and other countries were broke and were emptying out their warehouses of surplus guns and ammo. I could tell at the time the stuff was gonna dry up. Still? every once in a while someone will 'discover' a warehouse full of guns or ammo.

[@BoozMcGroove]

Man, I should’ve been building my surplus collection in 2012 instead of being in elementary school

[@jacobcochran51]

I'd love to find a star bm pistol.

[@4element3]

J&G sales has them online now for 299.00

[@scurlcube]

Thanks Mike, looking forward to the rifle video next.

[@SpliefDaGrief]

Let’s see some rifles next 👍🏻

[@MikeB128]

That's the plan. Will be a long ass video.

[@prizrak-br3332]

@@MikeB128 I'll be waiting fot that one too! You could split the video in 2 or 3 parts if it gets too long

[@clubjed6276]

Dang glad I got my m57

[@jeremyweaver7689]

I had a Polish Tokarev that I bought for $200 from Classic Firearms in 2019, I flipped it for $600 about two years later.

[@josephriggs5950]

Nice gun room.

[@musclesmouse]

I got the Beretta 92S. my smoothest shooting gun.

[@MarkMorbidity]

I picke dup my yugo m57 for 220 back in 2016 not that big of a spike diff from when you picked it up but damn prices are going up and ammo for it is up there also :/

[@clarkbono189]

meh it was before that. I was going to gun shows in early mid 90's. you could find GEW-43's for 300ish. Hakims? same. 1903's? 350 clinton started it with the Brady bill. that is when scares/ panics started.

[@julianmercier]

If you use a inflation calculator, you can tell people they can't play that card. It's mostly just desperation and greed. They think they have a bar of platinum in their hands instead of a handgun. Most people want way more than something is worth.

[@spooks4772]

the rock island 1911, you can save some money from there, I saw 'em go for like 500 - 800 $, I even saw a few going for about 475 $

[@gamerdan850]

I bought my 1st handgun a Nagont revolver for 100 bucks in 2012 bought my first semi a WW1 Model of 1911 US Army in 2020 for 1k. Bought a Black Widdo Luger well that was expensive lol an a M9 Beretta for 700.

[@clubjed6276]

Love ya mike

[@MikeB128]

Ish

[@dudebroski9460]

I'm ashamed of how much I paid for a pre shelved 1917 colt 45 da, never refurbished original patina

[@silverglove2012]

Hey Mike I know where three boxes for that nagant revolver is at for like 21 bucks a box.

[@davidkeetz]

I've found that I can find milsurp weapons for about 25% less than gunbroker and armslist person to person sales if I drive about 100 miles outside of the city and go to one of the local gun shops in the small towns in my state.

[@buddytesla]

So Daewoo makes cars, TVs, AND guns?

[@SW-ii5gg]

Yes, I think they make some military vehicles also but I am not certain.

[@marco529]

My Glock was 475 when I bought it in 2009 and today it's about 500 bucks... "Collectors" killed the surplus market in 2012.

[@behindenemylines3361]

I had a chance to buy Nagant revolver in 2014 for 110 and didn’t get it, still kicking myself. :(

[@bceyler6522]

Do you care if numbers are matching when your looking at guns to buy?

[@kennywolfjr.6413]

Makes me sad I was born about 5 years too late to get onto these deals. 96 is a bad year for a collector to be born

[@donjulio5045]

Star Model BM is around 350-400 now

[@garrisonnichols807]

I would rather have a Luger than a 1911.

[@tumblingdown8612]

hey at least there are a billion glock and ar derivatives

[@iamgermane]

RIA 1911s are nice but you have to watch the quality. They grip safety can come off just by pointing the gun down!?!

[@seancushing1113]

Rifle edition soon?

[@74nova36]

Hey bro can you send the link for your wall gun hanging hooks? ‘twould be dope of you

[@christownsend316]

Why in the heck are .32 acp and even .25 acp handguns so expensive today neither are desirable for personal defense yet they seem to be gaining value

[@pdxeddie1111]

hiked prices don't always have to be inflation driven like Micky Ds but it can be consumer driven the more demand of something the more money can be asked for and in the last ten years as things have gone from weird to planet strange the demand for firearms and the attempts to suppress firearms through regulation by the state have gone up drastically

[@Johnny-jr2lq]

Great video Mike I remember watching you it seems like 10 years. But I’m going to be conservative and say 8 at the least. Anyway I remember watching your videos and foaming at the mouth for some of the stuff you would review. I ended up slowly over time getting the ones I had to have. The 1911 being one of those and boy did I pay for it I believe my WW1 Colt 1914 date of manufacture was out the door 1800 bucks. I was told by the Colt collector website it was only worth 800 bucks. Lmao you can’t believe anything a boomer tells you

[@pc5440]

on the tok what is GRC -martinsburg, wv - i live in martinsburg (probably the importer, i know - but anymore info?)

[@jerryg2073]

Star model B, Makarovs, P-64?

[@MikeB128]

Of course........

[@JayM1989]

Someone forgot to tell Simpson LTD.

[@davidderler5924]

I would say you could double the price on the lower priced pistols . I don't see anything under $600 .

[@MikeB128]

Not my problem you don't know where to look besides gunbroker.

[@davidderler5924]

@@MikeB128 Well I'm going by armslist and gun show prices and local shops. Not a problem

[@TheThridwolf]

p08 for 1 grand???

[@Heisenbrick]

According to GunBroker your 2022 prices are much too low. I looked up multiple models shown here and they are about 40% higher on GunBroker. Prices are out of control

[@MikeB128]

If you listened to what I said, Gunbroker is ONE shitty source for prices, don't rely on ONE source for your reference....It's an amateur move.

[@ccsniper]

Where is the Makarov

[@behindthespotlight7983]

2023 firearms will go straight vertical in cost

[@winder4850]

What? No Makarovs?

[@BananaMan730]

About $450-550 nowadays for something like a Bulgarian model

[@Zane-It]

Prices are weird

[@trige000]

FIRST COMMENT BOYS.

[@vincem9468]

Rack grade for 1911s are 1050 on cmp... Unless your buying a numbers match, a rare variant they are defiantly below 1500. Even on gun broker ive seen several selling from the mid 900s to 1500s.

[@MikeB128]

There are more sources than the goddamned CMP............

[@vincem9468]

@@MikeB128 ……………………😎

[@Johnny-jr2lq]

@@MikeB128 I really wish you would do a video on the GD CMP. And how they are ripping people off under the thought that they do SOOOOOO much for the 2a community. That place is charging a ridiculous amount of money for guns our grandparents paid for via tax dollars. The CMP is not anything like what it used to be.

[@davidyager8817]

Great video. I know milsurp prices are insane but I'm sure they are going to go higher so get into collecting now. Just know what you want and save your money.