Buying a Chuck for Your Wood Lathe

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[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

You might want to watch this video on Woodturning Tools Starter Set kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3XYpXqLfKmprrs

[@johnbruno8517]

I love Mike Peace’s videos! Straight shooter, no nonsense. Something for every wood turner.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks!

[@kimr5841]

As anew turner about to buy his first lathe, this is exactly the type of information I need. Thank you.

[@billy19461]

Once again I am proven right. Excellent turner and a GREAT teacher. Not many people are willing to give away there experience and knowledge for free. I have learned SO much from your channel. Thanks 😊 one more time. Be safe and God bless!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks again!

[@SecondSonWoodworks]

this video is super informative and helpful! thank you so much for sharing all your wisdom and experience. Much appreciated. Cheers!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@garymoulston8443]

Thanks Mike, I took your advice and bought a Supernova 2. I love it

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Enjoy it. It will last your turning career.

[@williambuckley1185]

Great vid Mike, learned some things i didn't know. Thank you.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad to hear it!

[@TomGiles-kz7tu]

Just bought my first starter lathe. Thanks for your knowledge!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@richardmason902]

Thanks for posting this video. There's a lot of very valuable and useful information contained within. Definitely bookmarking this one for future reference.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vickylavender8401]

Thank you Mike for sharing you video was very helpful.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@billk.5891]

Thanks Mike, that was a lot of good information you gave us.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful.

[@yeslekynot1]

Thanks for your videos. They are well thought out and presented.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

So nice of you

[@-ZIO]

Just getting started in turning. I have a 1216 Laguna I got on a black friday deal and now Im looking at what else I need. This is excellent information to get me started. Thank you

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful. Check out my playlist on Basic Woodturning

[@petershimkus4980]

Very nice overall review. I like when someone states that it is their opinion of what they like, rather than stating a fact that one model is better than another!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Yes, personal preferences can be subjective.

[@LewisKauffman]

Thanks, Mike! Great information for beginner and experienced turner.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@frederickday7600]

Hello MIke I have been watching your videos for years but have never made a comment before. Thank you for making and disseminating your knowledge and experiences within these videos. I have found them to be very pertinent and to the point and therefore very entertaining and helpful. On the subject of chucks; you mentioned Axminster chucks and rated them in, what you label as Tier 1. There are three main types of Axminster chuck...SK80, SK100 and the SK114. All of these chucks are scroll types and are very popular in the UK. I own a SK100 and SK114. These are of extremely good quality and usually have M33x3.5 mountings. The SK80 however has 8"x1" mountings. If you ever have the chance to buy one in the U.S. I would certainly recommend them and no, I do not work for Axminster. Thank you again for your continued input to the woodturning world. Regards etc....Frederick

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for being a first time poster, Frederick. I think the US market may be tough to break into with a few well entrenched manufacturers dominating.

[@stevenmoore7782]

Great info for a beginner. Thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@peltona]

Very informative, thank you. I went through a very similar thought process when I bought my first chuck which was a Nova G3. I now have two G3s and love them. What I really focused on was compatibility with accessories that were widely available as my turning needs grew. There are so many options available if you buy the right chuck but if you try to save money by buying a chuck that is not compatible with what you may end up needing in the future, it will end up costing you more in the long run plus you'll have the added benefit of storing that cheap chuck in your shop without ever using it.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Exactly right! I like my G3 for the same reason.

[@davidmorgan7522]

Great info Mike! Thanks for sharing. My first chuck was a small Baracuda for my Turncrafter lathe and it has been a paperweight for lots of years. I agree with the fact that if you want to enjoy turning, get a good chuck and avoid the frustration. Take care, Dave

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Right on. There is no free lunch and you get what you pay for!

[@emyrjones2717]

Good info - thank you. I've just purchased a Charnwood Nexus3R, and it has many options available for 'upgrading'.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

You must not be in the US as I have never heard of that chuck.

[@beloitdavisja]

Thanks Mike. I just had someone this week in our woodworking group that asked about chuck recommendations. Lots of great information, so I linked to this video along with all the other comments. My initial response prior to this video lines up exactly with what you said. :-)

[@beloitdavisja]

and for myself, I have two G3's and a SuperNova2 and love them!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Right on! Great minds think alike.

[@mpart_woodlathe-stuff]

Mike, this is a nice concise, informative, and most of all, enjoyable vid about chucks. I don't think anyone can mess up and plan out their chuck buying needs with all the advice and opinion you've given us. Well worth watching folks!! Stay safe. -Mike

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks so much!

[@richdbolduc]

I have 13 or 14 Nova chucks... love them all

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Wow, did not think Teknatool had that many different jaw sets!

[@richdbolduc]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning 18 or 19 different jaws when you count the cole jaws.. that's not counting the infinity jaws :)

[@caseyannebrimmer4325]

I'm new to turning and was looking for information exactly like this. Thank you!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jerrystark3587]

Very good and helpful overview. Thank you!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for watching, Jerry!

[@greysunarmory8750]

Great video! Learned a lot

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad to hear it!

[@bernardfutter5327]

Here's another G3 fan: my first and main scroll chuck. Previously I had just a heavy 4" independent chuck, which now comes out only occasionally. I can add all the variations in jaws I wish for to fit the G3. Bernard.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

The Nova's definitely have a range of jaws.

[@BaldAdventures]

I just got into woodturning with jet mini lathe1015, awesome video! Subbed!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@terrytenley9404]

Thankc Mike for all the helpful information, I been turning for 55 years and used many the products you reviewed.. Many have something I don’t like.. I must say after buying the Vicmarc I was blown away.. especially the 120.. Nothing but the but best in every regard . Happy turning bud..😁😊👍

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Great to hear!

[@MCsCreations]

Great tips, Mike! Thanks a lot! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, you too!

[@redblazehorse]

Great Video! Thanks for the info.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@randyclary8144]

Thank you Mike for the information I have been turning very long and I couldn’t afford some of the more expensive chucks I stumbled across Penn State magazine and I got a barracuda two see you Siri’s and I’ve had really good luck with it this far I’ve had it around three years and I turn nearly every day most of the time 3 to 4 hours A day of course I’m not turning anything big largest bowl I can turn is 11 3/4 if I were to ever get a larger Lathe I would like to get the easy Chuck with a quick change and the zoom feature I took your advice on the Techna tool Tailstock life center and I really enjoyed it I really enjoy your videos thank you for your efforts

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, Randy.

[@jimspencer1077]

Thank you so much I'm in the market to buy a Chuck

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad I could help

[@pauldodge9118]

Mike, thanks for the information great video.

[@rossprohaska6263]

Thanks Mike. I was a bicycle frame metal machinist/welder from years past (multiple custom frame companies in Colorado) looking to change over too wood so I am trying to figure out what lathe to purchase along with accessories and not purchase too much stuff I didn't or won't need. This along with your other videos are very helpful. Thanks.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing. My best advice is join a club before you start spending. You will get a lot of good advice and possible opportunities to buy a great lathe used.

[@gingermanc]

Super info

[@AlbeTurner]

Thanks for the take along Mike. Started with Novas so I have a number of jaw sets. Strange how new ones keep appearing eh? Based on this video (which I watched the first time a few years ago) I now have several RP’s as I was able to purchase body only and with interchangeable jaw sets keep 5 of them locked and loaded. One question - am I the only one that hates the long t-wrenches?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I like the T wrenches - once the ball is cut off with a hacksaw 😁

[@kandiecandelaria1423]

Very informative. Thx

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@DKWalser]

Mike -- Thanks for an informative video. Allow me to make two comments: First, once you've 'bought into' a chuck family, you can sometimes save some money by buying the chuck body only. That is, most chucks come with their standard #2 jaws. Sometimes you might find it handy to have two chucks with #2 jaws (say you're making a box and want one chuck for the lid and one for the body), but you're seldom going to need five or six chucks -- all with #2 jaws. So, if you're going to be using a different jaw set with the chuck, see if you can buy the body only. Vicmarc, Oneway, and Record Power sell body only versions of their chucks. I don't know about the other major brands. Second, I agree with your advice to go with a 'first line' chuck brand. I started with Vicmarc because that was what we used in the class I took at Craft Supplies USA. I also have several (3?) Record Power SC4 chucks and I really like them. I have suggested to several new turners that they try the Record Power chucks because they are such a good value. However, while I really like my SC4 chucks, I *love* my Vicmarc chucks. It's the difference between a very fine watch and a good, but relatively inexpensive, watch. They both keep good time, but there's just something special about the fine watch that brings a smile. (Or, there's something about a quality, but not as expensive watch, that brings a smile because you know you got a bargain.)

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Excellent point.

[@lenshandcraftedwoodsigns6033]

Just here to learn

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

If we are not learning we are not growing. Have fun with the journey.

[@kensherwin4544]

Regarding an open vs. a closed back: When I use the Cole jaws with extensions on my closed-back Super Nova 2, the provided hex chuck key didn't quite clear the jaws. My solution was a hex socket on a 3/8" extension and tee handle. The tee handle also helped on a large diameter turning I did. An open-back chuck would not let me use that solution.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Good point.

[@drewkoerick6122]

Brand new at this Mike. My son knows I love woodworking and picked me up a free Shop Smith 10ER from hte 1950's Needed some cleaning and lubricating but after watching a ton of videos online (including yours) I turned my first candlestick from a dead maple tree limb in my yard. I have 300 acres of limbs to pick from for free material. Turned out ok but I realized I needed a jaw set. thanks you for your video on this. Looked online and found a used G3. What would you consider a good price on a used one? I can afford a new one but wondering if used is even beneficial for the discount..

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have two chuck I bought used, no problem. A good price for the buyer would be 50% of current retail, IMHO.

[@warrensreptiles]

I'd be very interested in a chuck maintenance video.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. I will put that on my list.

[@talltimberswoodshop7552]

Check Keith Rucker's video on maintaining a 4 jaw chuck. Vintagemachinery.org on YT. He takes it apart and re-lubes the scrolling parts.

[@paulgreen6196]

interesting video.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@garystockton3687]

hello i have enjoyed your video i am new to wood turning only watched on youtube no place close to me take lessons i got my lathe this week a Rikon 70-220vsr going to order a chuck a nova g3 but there are many difference verisons of the g3 would a nova 48293 pro-tek g3 be good to start with also what would be a face shield to start with

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Welcome aboard! Yes you would be happy with that. I believe the Protek tightens righty titiey where the older version was backwards from most other chucks. The older version is cheaper on Amazon. Do not know if it is being discontinued. I would also consider the Record Power SC3 if you can get it for about the same price. It appears almost identical but I believe it is machined a bit better. I would get one that is direct threaded 1/8 like the model you referred to.

[@WOODTURNINGBYBRANDSTRUP]

Great an informative video.. Thank you very much for sharing... Stay safe and have a great day 😁😁

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, you too!

[@naturaIIydifferent]

Thanks for all the info man! Knowledge is power! I didn't know much about the different variations of chucks when I bought mine, did the best research I could and went with a 4 jaw scroll chuck with two sets of jaws from PSI woodworking for about $90.00. It does leave a bit of a mark if I forget to put a little blue tape on the surface of the jaw, but it holds great and can take some abuse. Just wanted to let folks know that the options below $100 are a crap shoot, but the one I got is going strong and true even after about 100 hours of rookie abuse. Thanks for all your videos and great information 👍 You have been really helpful in learning this art and I truly appreciate the time and energy you put in to your videos. Big ups from Upstate New York!☮️✊👍

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing, Jacob.

[@johnjohnsonjr5324]

Mike I have Record power and a Nova chuck. That comes loose when I’m turning. What can do to stop this maybe something you do a video on.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Most chucks have a manual that describes how to use the set screw that comes with the chuck. RP has a model insert that does not have holes for a set screw.

[@robira1313]

Great informative video! Does the NOVA G3 have a parallel or dovetail tenon?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Parallel. But the jaws have a micro dovetail that bites into the tenon. The jaws have an external dovetail for recesses.

[@dyngbld]

I love my Nova chuck. The hardest part was getting the 1/12 insert for my grizzly lathe.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Strange size. LIke they say "They don't make them like that any more!"

[@larryhill6187]

when l first started turning l purchased a grizzly chuck due to price and not knowing if woodturning was something l would continue. like many my love of turning grew. wanted a better chuck! did some research and found Timberbits of austriala and they have a special on Vicmarc chucks !! purchased a VM120 chuck with a set of jaws, set of extra jaw screws, face ring, chuck tools, wood screw, insert,and shipping for $219. the chucks are make in austriala and the usd=aud exchange rate is very good and varies slightly from day to day some where around $1 us = $1.50 aud

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Never heard anyone knock a Vicmarc. Great chucks for sure. It is difficult for them to compete with Teknatool since they are not as readily available by dealers like Rockler and WC with lots of regular sales and promotions.

[@larryhill6187]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning l love mine owning a grizzly prior makes me live it more better quality

[@larryhill6187]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning how did you get l was knocking a vicmarc chuck

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

No, I never thought that. I was agreeing with you.😃

[@danhealy7341]

Thanks Mike, very informative. I started out with a Nova G3 and now have 5 of them. Each has a jaw set that I find I use the most. They are the only chucks that I am familiar with so I can’t make comparisons but I am very happy with them. They also have a large variety of jaws available.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing. I like my G3

[@PattersonPatch]

Started with a house brand and upgraded to a G3. Now the house brand one I still use, but I mostly keep my cole jaws on it which is nice to have a second chuck for just and not have to swap jaws all of the time.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

David Ellsworth said there was no such thing as a bad tool. Just tools that do not get used as much. Sounds like a good use for a house brand chuck.

[@paddlefaster]

Excellent review. What type of chuck would you recommend for large turnings? I've been turning all my life but was limited to 14-in swing on my old Walker Turner. I recently purchased a Harvey t60s which has a 24-in swing. The Nova sn2 is rated for 20 in swing. I'm wondering if there's a better option. The Nova appeals to me because Woodcraft Supply carries all the accessories for it but that's really just a convenience factor.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Stronghold, Nova Titan, or Vicmarc VM120. Do you really plan on turning many projects bigger than 20"? I rarely turn antything larger than 10". I prefer the Record Power SC4 over the SN2 but I have both and both are sold by WC.

[@paddlefaster]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning I have turned bowls bigger than 20 in (outboard) but at that point I generally switch to glue blocks and faceplates. No matter how good the chuck the forces get pretty crazy. Thanks for your input.

[@MartinHauer-bq9jh]

Mike, I am looking at purchasing a collet chuck. I like the looks of the one you use in your hollow globe ornament videos. What brand is yours?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Apprentice from Craft Supplies

[@georgemurphy9936]

Hello Mike - the Record Power SC4 chuck is on sale for about the same price as a Nova G3. Since it is under 4 lbs., I think it would be suitable for use on my 3/4 HP midi lathe, but thought I would ask for your advice. Thanks!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Sounds like you found a deal. I like the chuck key better on the SC4 than a G3. Yes the SC4 will work fine on your midi. I used a Tekantool SN2 without problems on my 1/2 HP mini.

[@georgemurphy9936]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning Thanks Mike. I just ordered one from Woodcraft.

[@oldguywoodworks7374]

Thanks for the tips Mike! You mentioned the adapters and I have heard of them but have been unable to find any could you point me to a site that sells them? I live in Canada thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Amazon. Lee VAlley has a couple.

[@aaroncarey7209]

hey mike. I started turning about a year ago. i have a Jet 12/21. i have 2, Nova 3 chucks, one was a bundle so i have a few extra options of jaws including small Kole jaws. Im going to buy a Laguna 18/36. If you were me, what chuck would you buy next? a1 1/4"? or another quality 1" with a spindle adapter? i feel like the correct answer would be to buy 2 of each!!! thanks-Fresh Air Woodshop- Kansas

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Assuming your G3s are direct threaded, I would buy a 1 1/4 to 1" spindle adapter so you could keep some different jaws on each and use on the Laguna. If not direct threaded, buy the Nova inserts to replace the ones that came with the G3. G3s that require inserts are not as common as direct threaded. Then I would buy a Record Power SC4 or a Teknatool SN2 with a 1 1/4 insert. Both are a bit larger than the G3. I prefer the RP chucks but the SN2s are frequently on sale. Some vendors like Craft Supplies USA sell just the RP chuck body so you can save a few bucks that way. On Amazon the Record Powers are sold under the Rikon name.

[@aaroncarey7209]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning thank you for the thorough reply! i will follow your advice. im giving the Laguna a few weeks to come on sale, if it doesnt, i will eventually buy it regardless. thanks again!

[@TheTranq]

Hi Mike. Do you have a video on the jaws 101 and also on how to cut the parallel tenon for the G3? Thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH65ZqWfh9SaY7M. The Record Power standard jaws are virtually identical to a Nova G3

[@RDM62]

I’m new to lathe and my question is, I am using a mastercraft 43 lathe and I am not sure what centering Chuck to use the spindle is 3/4 16 thread any kelp you can give would be much appreciated, thanking you in advance

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Get a small chuck like a Nova G3 threaded for 1"x8 and buy an internal spindle adapter from Penn State Industries that is female 3/4x16 converting to a male 1x8.

[@RDM62]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning thank you

[@glencrandall7051]

Thanks for the information Mike. This video will be of great use to the newer wood turner. Except for the really inexpensive chucks I don't find much difference between chuck models. There is size difference of course but other than that there only seems to be the two types you mentioned, open back and closed back. I have several of each type in the Nova brand and am happy with them all. Thank you for sharing.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I agree. It is mostly personal preferences among the quality chucks. I think someone would be happy with any of the better chucks. Some manufacturers have wider choices on jaws. But Teknatool was missing that 35mm size I have from Record Power. Sorby has one somewwhat similar in size. I scratch my head over that one. It fits that needed gap of wood just smaller than 2" for lots of my projects.

[@markashlock9017]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning : : Great vid Mike, but I’m confused on this comment. I thought Technatool and Record jaws were interchangeable. Can’t you put Records 35mm on the Technatool Nova? Thanks!!!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@markashlock9017 Yes, they have the same mounting. But You would need to swap the 2&4 jaw positions because the RP is a Righty Tighty and the Teknatool tightens the opposite direction.

[@markashlock9017]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning : Thanks Mike. I just purchased the Nova G3 and jaw interchangeability (is that a word ; ) was an important part of my selection process. You are one of, if not my favorite. Really glad your still releasing vids.

[@gordyhaycock3421]

If you have a 20” full-size lathe and make large and small projects, are there advantages to having two different sized chucks, I.e., Vicmarc v100 and a v120? Or, is it better to have two identical sized chucks? The jaws for both are interchangeable. Thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have different size chucks. I tend to keep smaller jaws on the smaller chucks and larger jaws on the larger chucks. You want a larger chuck for larger work.

[@TheChecklister]

This might be a stupid question, I'm buying the Nova II 16x24 (updated 22421) it is a 1 1/4 - 8 tpi RH. With the RH do I need to find a chuck that is a RH or LH? The lathe can reverse as well so I'm just concerned about these details.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

You should only need a RH chuck. Most will come with a setscrew to lock the chuck on to the spindle so it won't come off when reversing.

[@northernwesty]

A lot of older lathes run 3/4x16 like mine. I had to get an adapter for the chuck

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Depends on the chuck manufacturer whether or not they make a 3/4x16 chuck insert for their chucks. Nova does and so does Record Power. In general the correct chuck insert is usually preferable to a spindle adapter as fewer chances for run out and the chuck is closer to the headstock.

[@northernwesty]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning I got a Nova. The listing called it an insert adapter, but I totally agree that getting the right part is best

[@TheTranq]

There’s lots going on on the G3 manual, square stock, mounting options, spigot turning etc. you should do a video that does an overview of these!

[@hotrodhog2170]

Great info Mike! If you send me a Nova G3 and a set of #2 jaws, I hit that subscribe button and ring that bell! ;) Always a pleasure learning from you sir.

[@kfjw]

But how much wood can a wood lathe chuck?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

A lot!

[@igotbricotools2035]

How many chucks do u have ?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Seven scroll chucks and a collet chuck. Two I bought used.

[@igotbricotools2035]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning thanks

[@mxfxdlg]

Great information, but it was that responsible mask that triggered my subscriber button. Thanks.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for the sub!

[@eugenefredrickson8714]

Very, very well done.. An old fart like me can learn new sh,sh,stuff. K

[@michaelglackin2420]

And nova jaws

[@erics7712]

Ads are maddening

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

They can be confusing and misleading. A lot like statistics.

[@allynwasser4566]

There is more than a dozen chuck makers and you only mention 3. Hmmmmm I vote for vicmarc

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

You must have quit early. I mentioned at least 7 at 5:51 I would be happy with Vicmarc.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

There is a saying about "You buy them books and buy them books and they keep tearing out the pages!"😉

[@coleyounger4060]

Nova chuck is about as good as they come

[@goodboyringo9716]

Don't buy nothing cheap. closed back stays cleaner and allen key is stronger.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing!