Buying Your First Lathe

[@icespeckledhens]

A very balanced comparison of different lathe types which is very useful for those thinking of buying a lathe Why you are getting thumbs down is beyond me, I suggest you ignore them. Thanks James

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks. There is hardly a video out there that does not get at least 2% dislikes. I do not lose sleep over them. I am always interested in better meeting viewer needs if I can figure out what those are.

[@rickjarosz3704]

Thanks for the recent Tips, Tricks, and Gadgets videos lately! They're a Great source of information for us hobbyists.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad you like them!

[@royboggs3849]

Mike, I’m 66 y.o. & fairly new to wood lathes. I found one thing that I think would be useful to viewers: dust collection *at the lathe*. Ther’s lots about dust collection (motors, bags, piping, etc.), but I think you should do one on YOUR system - at the lathe! I notice that you use the Woodstock dust hood clamped to your lathe ways. Perhaps go into detail about how effective it is, mounting system , usefulness, etc. Thanks Mike! 👍

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Great idea. Something like this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWnHqoCKlq2kgZI

[@royboggs3849]

I was wondering how to manage your gizmo *and the tailstock*. I like yours & will probably make that clamp/bracket system! How good does that Woodstock do? I bought one but don’t have it installed yet.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@royboggs3849 It works fine. Probably better than just a 4" hose.

[@terry3974]

Buy cheap you're gonna cry twice! LOL! I loved that and it's so true not only with lathes but with just about everything you buy. Thanks for all the great info.

[@GaryNorton_C]

Yes, my 1st lathe was a Steel City mini, used it for a good 4-5 years but it was basically junk. Now I have the Laguna 12 16, At least the cry twice! got me started but the statement is so true.

[@henrysmit9307]

Thanks for the great info your honest opinion. When I was a kid with no money I purchased a 12” Sears lathe. I’ve acquired a number of accessories for it over the years I’ve owned it and after 40 years of turning, on and off I looking for something with larger capacity and updated components. Finding suitable parts for an older lathe can be problematic so I can say if I had waited a while longer, I would have purchased something along the level of a Delta. I now live on a 2 acre wooded lot and have access to larger diameter turning stock.

[@lmallard3788]

When I got more serious with woodworking, a fellow who did videos for woodcraft was one of my favorites. You sound like him and have great knowledge as well. He is in heaven now. Thank you for all the videos you have provided.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Wow, thanks!

[@olebiker]

My house is full of items I have turned over the last twelve years on my Jet mini lathe. I sold it this weekend and will buy a Laguna 12-16 Friday. For the time being it will be mounted on the old workbench my mini was on. After using it for a while and deciding on the correct height I plan to build a stand like yours. I really appreciate your videos.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks. Good luck with your new Laguna. I know you will like it.

[@monteglover4133]

I’ve been using the Harbor Freight mini lathe for several years and have turned several hundred pens never missed a beat.only real gripe is to change the speed change the belt position. FYI the HF late is the same as several other budget lathes.

[@stevenhansen8641]

Hey Mike, very thoughtful and informative video. I am on my 5th lathe. There is no such thing as over buying. Purchase the quality your budget will allow. If you buy cheap,you buy twice. Thanks again for sharing.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

How many times have you been married, Steven? Just kidding. No question that quality makes a difference in enjoyment. One or two issues can cause a lot of aggravation. 😂😜😉

[@victoryak86]

Steven, I realize I’m responding to a 3 year old comment but I figured I’d ask the same question I asked Mike since you’ve worked with so many lathes. Have you any thoughts on the Jet lathes, specifically the 1440 model? I’m ;considering that one and curious if people have enjoyed it and/or have any particular thoughts or issues with the Jet lathes. Thanks much, Chris

[@GarryKWV]

Thanks for the great video and information. I've been turning about 6 months, and purchased an "inexpensive" lathe to see if I wanted to turn. I'm hooked, and have spent much more on chucks, tools, grinder/wheels, and other attachments and such than I spent on the lathe. My lathe turns the wood. Now I'm saving for one that has the features I want. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experience - it's priceless.

[@garymac121]

I'm getting ready to jump in. Would you say it is important to get a slow speed grinder for sharpening your tools and put the cbn wheels on the grinder?

[@mpart_woodlathe-stuff]

@@garymac121 I going to get my first lathe next week and I'm going to hold off on HSS tools and going with carbide first. That way I can begin, and keep turning, without the need for a good sharpening system like you mention. I have to spend $$ judiciously and the Revo 1216 is $$$.

[@GarryKWV]

@@garymac121 I think if you don't have a grinder, you should get a slow-speed. I bought a regular one before I knew better, and I have to be careful to not overheat the tools. Still saving for a cbn wheel.

[@garymac121]

I went ahead and got a slow speed grinder knowing i need one since it was on a good sale. Though I'll have to replace the grinding wheels sometime

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@garymac121 CBN wheels put a smile on your face but I would consider them a luxury when first starting out. 8" slow speed is best but you can make do with what you have if it has aluminum oxide wheels. I would not buy CBN for a 6" grinder. Upgrade to an 8". If you are in a club you may find members willing to give you their old worn down AO wheels that may fit a 6" or 8" grinder after they upgraded to CBN if you have the old gray stone wheels for sharpening lawnmower blades.

[@markhunt6177]

I bought an old Woodfast 908. It's an affordable upgrade from my china bench top lathe. 20 inch swing is more than enough for me. I wish I had a digital display but I just go by feel.

[@randhirsookdeo4578]

Thank you for making this video, I'm interested in getting into wood turning and your video was helpful. It has given me some answers and some more things to think about. Best wishes and God's blessings to you.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks so much. Enjoy the journey.

[@chucksmith9633]

Another great video Mike. I bought a used Rockwell from the 60s for $160 at auction about a year ago. It came with 4 face plates, buffing system, 3 tool rests(6", 12" & offset 6"), 2 spur centers and 2 live centers. It has been a lot of fun to watch your videos and hit the shop to try it myself.

[@andrewgarratt5191]

NICE! I myself drive a 1957 craftsman. I honestly think that we have it going on....don’t think I’d want a new modern fancy job. We’ll have ours for as long as we want them,so will the next guy.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Happy I inspire you to make shavings!

[@gamer2101]

I am looking into buying a lathe. Of course I was looking at HarborFreight but after watching this I am gonna spend the extra money and get something better. This is a great video for someone looking to get started in it.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks. I think this is a good startedr lathe. amzn.to/3wEhcSB

[@turnedbysean2023]

I don’t have a lathe yet, but this video has given me some perspective on what to look for. Enjoyed it very much.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Great to hear!

[@claypigeon001]

Thanks for the valuable insight Mike ! I'm looking at buying my first lathe after I finish my workshop refit, one of the things I would suggest is to visit a tool centre and handle the lathe you are interested in. The one I fancied looked good on paper but ,on moving the bandjo and tail stock around, it felt flimsy and there were a few other things I didn't like about it. The motor protruded past the chuck on the headstock and it just didn't suit...very good points on the video and people forget the chucks are not cheap! Gouges are expensive and even though wood grows on trees that's an issue as well.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, Johnathon. Yes, getting hands on the lathe is best. I have more wood than I can use which is not unusual when you have been turning a while. There is a lot of sweat equity in most free wood!

[@SendItBilly]

Very informative. I’ve subscribed and watched many of your videos. You are more helpful than sales staff at stores who are actually trying to sell things. Please keep the good work up.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Welcome aboard!

[@kenkay40]

Really good advice for someone who is just getting into turning. Like you Mike, I started with a less expensive lathe, in my case one from Harbor Freight and then worked my way up from there. Thanks for all of your insight and helpful advice... always spot on!

[@kenkay40]

BTW, I should also note that back in 2016 I purchased a Delta Industrial 46-460 during a sale that Amazon was having and my decision was based in large part on information that was picked up while watching your videos. This midi lathe will serve well for any turnings that my plans will ever call for.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@kenkay40 Excellent lathe!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

One of the best turners I know turns on a Delta 46-460. Good lathe.

[@cathyjanehale]

Just upgraded to my Jet vs12-21 last month and am very happy with it! My older lathe was 1/2 hp - the Jet is 1 hp..... the older one was 5 fixed speeds starting at 500 rpm and the jet has three pulleys that are variable speeds and much easier to switch than the old one, plus the lowest pulley’s range is 60 rpm to 900! It’s wonderful for roughing and turning bowls!!! I highly recommend it!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Nice lathe! VS sure beats pulley changes doesn't it?

[@amymexia5799]

I loved the video! I've been looking to upgrade a bit from my HF lathe and you convinced me! I just ordered my Laguna 12 16! I can't wait for it to arrive!!!!!!!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad I could help!

[@billk.5891]

My first lathe was the HF mini as well. I moved up recently to the Rikon 70-150 vsr and I'm loving it.

[@skipproctor8979]

Great info Mike. I have had my 3520B Powermatic for 5+ years. I started small then went to mid-size before I made the plunge to get the Powermatic. If I had to do again, I would have done the Powermatic after years on the benchtop lathe. I had the Jet 1641 in between the benchtop and the Powermatic, but it was not big enough to do large salad bowls which I produce close to 100 a year.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I jumped to the PM from a mini with the idea it would minimize my regret. I knew if I bought a 16" it would be hard to justify moving up to a PM.

[@jazzman1626]

Excellent video. I’m glad of the info about the 1” threading of the chuck and the 12” rather than 10” swing capacity

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jimhood1202]

Hey. Thanks for posting. I'm just browsing but I feel a lot more informed than I did a few minutes ago. Who knows, you may be the reason I get into turning. All the best from Panama

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

It is addicting!

[@garybrown3348]

Mike, thanks for the very insightful information. I have had a small Ricon lathe a couple of years ago and turned some projects but life got busy and I ended up selling it due to lack of use and a very small workshop. I am now retired and am looking for another lathe and I am doing a lot of research prior to making a purchase. I had been considering a full size but at the price I want to pay it seems like there are some problems with quality and function. I had narrowed my choice down to the midi Laguna Revo 12/16 you used here because of the capacity, speed control, ability to add on for extra length and quality. Thanks for the video, I am joining a local wood turning club and will wait to make the purchase until I have attended several meetings.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Sounds like you are on a good path. Best wishes.

[@briananderson2363]

Got the Laguna 1216 about a month ago after using a Harbor Freight 1018 for 4 years. Love the Laguna. Wish I could have afforded it sooner.

[@kagnewmp12]

Buying the Grizzly GO462. I just retired so I can afford it and I like that the head stock can also swivel up to 360 degrees and it's `16 by 46 with 2 horsepower with spindle tach and digital readout. It should more than handle my bigger turnings.and will also turn a pen blank with no problem.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

A new lathe is always something to look forward to. Turn safe my friend.

[@kagnewmp12]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning Thanks for your reply as so many people think they are just to busy or just to important to reply to the people that made their channels possible. On this thing we call You Tube one can be the best at something but if people don't like you and Subscribe you can just forget it. Also wanted to tell you that my 27 year old Daughter just loves to turn.

[@mpart_woodlathe-stuff]

Nice video on your new 1216 series. Been waiting for the full review vid !! Great series so far. Got permission today to buy one myself - a lathe I ... fell ... in ... love ... with😍. Did the same shopping as you did. Great minds think alike, so they say!! Thumb downs? I'm guessing they wanted more of a comparison or "Best Lathe for the Novice" video. Can't please everyone.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Hard to give a definitive answer for one best since once size doesn't fit all.

[@bobgodfrey9524]

Researching for my first lathe purchase and your video was very helpful......many thanks.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Great to hear!

[@PTPezhead]

Thanks for another great review, Mike. My Jet 1221 is on its way! I might have purchased a lower quality lathe just to get into the hobby, but I'm glad I held off until I could afford a quality lathe.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I think you will like it. Jet has a great warranty and good support.

[@nrhareiner]

after a lot of research I picked the Harbor Freight 12×33 I've used a lot of different lathes and for the price I'm happier with it then a pig in mud. in the first month its paid for itself 3 times and its easy to move which is a very BIG consideration for me

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have never turned on that model. Glad you are enjoying it.

[@nrhareiner]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning Its not bad. it has a lot of the features of the more expensive lathes. there are 2 things I would like. 1 is reverse which probably could be done with some modifications and the other is more weigh but that's an easy fix

[@williamdodds6104]

Well Mike I bought two lathes and your right. I first bought a harbor freight bench top no frills. Used it to break a few tools got the faceplate stuck on it and then decided to buy another one. I bought a turncraft commander and it has done me ok. I got talked into turning pens by my girlfriend. But at least it has been more user friendly. Variable speed which makes a world of difference. But love the run down on your ideas and I'm sure there will be a third purchase of a bigger lathe at some point. Thanks for the info.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Your welcome. It has been a while since I made a pen.

[@bobp284]

Was strongly considering that Laguna because I saw Tommy using that one in an Ask This Old House episode. But I ended up recently getting the Jet 12/21 VS for a few reasons. Reading Laguna owner's reviews anyone that had a problem had nothing good to say about their customer service. Did call Jet once with a question and got right through to someone in the US and they were very helpful. Laguna has a 2 year warranty and a 16" bed. For almost the exact same money the Jet has a 5 year warranty and anybody that dealt with them had nothing but praise. Also the bed is 5"s longer and you can also get a bed extension if needed and has the same dial-in variable speed feature and a reverse switch. Belt position changing is equally easy on both machines and most every site I checked had the Jet reviews average with more star than the Laguna. I also own a Jet table saw, long bed joiner and dust collection system and never had the slightest problem with any of them.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Some folks like Fords and some like Chevys. I am for folks looking at the specs and get what suits them. I turned several times on a Jet 1221. It is a good midi lathe. I prefer the Laguna. I do have concerns about the warranty running out before the electronics give me a problem. It may never be a problem.

[@JRandomJacket]

I'm just over a year in with my Jet 1221. I'd say that the lathe and stand is maybe a third of my investment, so my advice to new turners is to not try to "save money" on the lathe. Unless you are certain that you'll only want to turn pens, ornaments, bottle stoppers, and such, definitely go for the midi size lathe. And definitely go for variable speed. The speed control is critical when you are dealing with unbalanced wood. I'm mostly turning bowls, and it can be a challenge to find wood to "max out" my lathe capacity. I think my max so far is about 10 inches.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing, John.

[@loujacobs9291]

Thanks Mike. I’d love a video some time comparing the most popular full size lathes. I’m one of the guys who went cheap when I began seriously turning. Got a Grizzly, but have been missing a bunch of the features of a better lathe and thinking about upgrading. Love to hear comparisons between Powermatic, Nova, Jet, etc.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I appreciate the suggestion. Probably not going to happen. Too many lathes out there to which I would need access to. Maybe something general and deal with buying used. I did a review on the PM 3520C.

[@michaelmcdermott2178]

I loved my Powermatic 2014 until it died. They sent me the replacement part but refused to cover the actual repair because I 'live too remotely.' I'll never buy Powermatic again. Anybody interested in a $3000 boat anchor?

[@seniorchiefharris]

Great video Mike! I too started out with a 'mini', a Rikon 1221 but quickly changed to a Variable Speed Reversing Jet 1221 which I loved and still wish I had kept as my second lathe if not my primary! I sold the Jet 1221VSR and purchased it's larger and heavier brother the Jet 1640VSR with rotable Headstock. I really like my new 1640VSR but due to my shops size, I wish sometimes that I had still had my little 1221VSR which was plenty large (as you mentioned!!!) to do 95% of the turnings I most often do. Something to take into consideration for certain, is you shop size and how much more room a full size lathe and it's accessories take up compared to a midi lathe! Again, THANKS for the great video and SAFE turning to you and yours ALWAYS!!!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, Ken. I see the lathe footprint issue resonates with a lot of folks that are space constrained. I appreciate your continued support.

[@watermain48]

Great video Mike, thanks. I'm one of those guys who bought a Harbor Freight mini lathe to get started on. While it's fairly primitive, it gets the job done for pen turning and that's all I've done with it. I'm looking to upgrade to the Laguna you have or the Rikon 70-150vsr.

[@diydarkmatter]

your lathe stand turned out great mike i use a tool box on casters it had a wood top on it already but i had to screw a longer top onto it to hold my little cheap harbor freight lathe . i know at some point i will want a bigger one but for right now its great works great . now i wanted to mention that you can get a speed controller from harbor freight for your lathe i thing its for a router but it is a plug and go system . you plug the speed controller and the lathe into the speed controller and your all set . you might have to adjust the belt on your lathe to get a speed from high to low you like not sure i haven't tried it yet . but it was worth mentioning to you . i really love your power matic its awesome . right now all i can do is envy you lol . the 220 would be a issue for me i dont have a 220 hookup . but its more lathe then i will ever need . not to say if i could get one cheap enough i wouldn't jump on it lol . ok brother ill end with your looking great in them dew rags brother . and always great advice from a true master of turning .

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for the tip and your continued support.

[@peacefulpandascreations8785]

Great advise! A little late for me because I started a little over a year ago. I found a great starter set up from Penn State Industries. The lathe came with enough to get started. Then over time I have acquired additional tools and what not to make more diverse projects. I would definitely make sure to get a variable speed lathe.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Changing speeds with pulley changes is worse than B&W TV! Thanks for your support.

[@darinlords5915]

Thank you Mike. I am just looking at buying my first lathe, this was great.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful! Check out my video on buying your first chuck.

[@johndaniel1831]

Great video. I have a Lugana 1216. I got the bed extension and I am a happy camper. No trouble with the lathe. I had a hard time with the stand and later learned it is because the instructions are WRONG regarding the casters. The lathe performs really well and is very versatile. I don’t do a lot of bigger items 11” bowls and plates. Lots of smaller bowls, boxes, etc. Ton of fun and I must say I am really pleased. If I were going for it today I would likely go for the new 1524 (I think that is the number) not for size but for motor and some tail stock features. But my 1216 is running every day and spins like a champ. Mike great video and helpful with good advice.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Happy you are having a good time with your 1216.

[@bluebow68]

Thanks for your invaluable advice..Greetings from the U.K.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

So nice of you.

[@rogerschofield3594]

i wish i see it two years a go it was great and open my eyes for the next one there will be another one thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, Roger. Glad you found it useful.

[@TimRobertsonWoodturning]

Another good video. I’m glad your providing tips so new turners have good information before making a purchase.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, Tim.

[@rontocknell3592]

I bought my first (and probably last as it seems to meet all the requirements I can envisage) lathe in July this year so I'm about as 'newbie' as it gets. It's a Record Power DML305, which does not have variable speed. Actually, the manual pulley system is one of the reasons for choosing this lathe. As Mike pointed out, lathes are basically simple machines... and I like to keep it that way. I have no knowledge of electronics so, in the event of a failure in the speed control (usually manifest as 'idling' or erratic speed variations when running), I'd be screwed. At 71, I'm hardly contemplating a career in woodturning so a lathe that is pretty much guaranteed to last the rest of my lifetime and probably the lifetime of whoever inherits when I shuffle off my mortal coils is a big plus. My only grouch relating to changing the speed is that the belt cover requires an allen wrench to open it. Opening and closing it in this way takes far more time than changing the pulleys. This is easily remedied by securing a knob to the head of the captive allen bolt so it is operating by hand without the use of a wrench. I would imagine that this is the first 'hack' that owners of this lathe do. I agree wholeheartedly that this is a lot more hassle than simply adjusting the speed with a knob and certainly not ideal for anyone who plans to earn a living with their lathe (time being money and all that). But, for a hobbyist like myself, this is no real hassle. Also, I would imagine it would be more of an issue to someone used to using a variable speed. But this is a factor worth considering. I'm not an engineer or an electronics expert yet my lathe is fully user-serviceable. One day, no doubt, the belt will need replacing... but that's it. I just felt this factor was worth pointing out.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

There is a market for lathes without variable speed. If you stick with it, I bet you will upgrade. Wonder if you can figure out how to add a magnet to the pulley change cover?

[@rontocknell3592]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning A better idea. Thanks. I hadn't thought of that

[@bank80]

This video helped me make my decision, thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful. Have fun turning!

[@tompuskar4426]

Nice overview of the considerations. I would have liked more comments of a comparison of the 4 lathes you mentioned since they do seem to vary in how they do things like locking the spindle. I would find holding a button down to be cumbersome. I've had my Delta 46-460 for about 5 years and love it. The only downside is it doesn't have a digital readout.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I suspect you get use to no speed indicator, especially if you never had one. Thanks for the feedback.

[@benjabens2058]

thanks for the helpful video mike,

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Any time!

[@fredslawson7259]

Mike I liked your presentation enough to subscribe. I've had the delta model for a couple of years and I do like it. My one gripe is the reversible switch is wired backwards. That's a common issue with this lathe. I like to go backwards and forwards to do my sanding. I only work with carbide tools as I dont have to learn the grinding skill as well it gives me more lathe time. Cheers and thanks.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Well on the bright side, it makes it easier to get used to the backwards Nova chucks if you have one of those! 😃

[@mikerobinson2026]

Finally someone mentions the ergonomics of a lathe. I've been comparing lathes in this size range and that was the one area nobody mentioned in any of the reviews I've read yet. That will help me decide if I need to spend the extra outlay of cash for a stand or if one of my existing benches will suffice. That comment alone made the 20 minutes spent watching this video worthwhile.

[@Johnditit]

I just bought a used Jet 14/42. Can’t wait to get started!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Congratulations! let the turning begin.

[@Johnditit]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning It does have the reeves drive, which I knew nothing about when I bought it. Maybe it will work out. I may convert it later to a variable speed motor with a controller. Been watching your videos for about a week now, very good content.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@Johnditit Read the manual. You can change speeds when the lathe is running. Always reset to zero before finishing the day.

[@RecoveryTidbits]

Just picked up one for forty that will be pretty good 😌 smaller bowls and boxes plus baseball bats

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Good luck with your new addiction.

[@davidmassey3364]

I have the Jet 12/21 and I love it. I also have the Jet 18/40 both are smooth running high quality lathes. Jet is an American company, but both of my lathes are made in Taiwan. I wish they were made in the USA, but they would cost considerably more. At least Taiwan makes equality products like the Japanese. I recommend the 12/21 for it's quality and ease of use. It costs between $750.00 to $850.00 but I used my accumulated Amazon points and I caught it on sale. I paid $650.00 so watch for sales. I bought the Rikon he mentioned for my grandson. I didn't care for it, the Jet is better and easier to use. Saying that, the Rikon is still a good quality mini lathe and it is more affordable.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing.

[@WindRidgeWoodCrafts]

Great video, Mike. I just passed this to a colleague that asked about lathes a day or two ago. You provided much better info than I could. About the thumbs down ... I'm guessing your comment about walking away from lathes with a non-standard #2 Morse taper around 2:25 would be the reason. My PSI TurnCrafter 12" is a #2, but the moment I heard you say that, I thought, "Well, that'll piss someone off." I'm not disagreeing, just guessing where that's coming from.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Well it is a poor workman who blames his tools and I say work with what you got. But my advice on a new lathe stands and if that pisses someone off, hope they get over it. It is just my opinion.

[@ericmoorehead1100]

Mike, many larger lathes today have a variable frequency drive (VFD) speed control electronics. A major issue that is not being discussed much is that VFD will not operate w GFI circuits. For home garages where electrical codes require GFI, both 110 and 220, such lathes will not run.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Yes, that is a frequent problem. Sometimes you have to ignore the code after you move in and change the recepticle

[@greypoodle1]

Thank you!!

[@michaelkoreen1591]

thanks mike for all your help

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Happy to help.

[@michaelkoreen1591]

Mike I had a stroke in 2008 I lost the use of my left hand and arm I wood love to turn again would like to have your thoughts before I start buy lathes and eat. Any thoughts would be helpful I’m very use to machines I was a carpenter for a living Thanks again mike

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@michaelkoreen1591 I suggest you join a club if at all possible and find a local turner who can give you lessons or take a class. That way you can check out different lathes and equipment. I think you should compare the use of conventional tools with carbide. I spoke with one turner who had a stroke and it did wonders for him giving him something to look forward to and to take him to a different place. Good luck.

[@michaelkoreen1591]

Thankyou Michael

[@coolcat9327]

Thanks Mike, I'm looking at midi's right now and leaning towards the Laguna. Handles are important to me as you know we are always moving the banjo and tool rest around. I am using an old Carbatec mini it has served me well for 20 years, but I'll make a jump to something g with more HP. Looking forward to you review of the Revo 12/16.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I do like the Laguna. Video review to be released Friday.

[@michaell8835]

Really great video Mike, thankyou. I'm considering a wood lathe, never tried turning before, but have a workshop with jointer, bandsaw, drill press etc. I was thinking second hand, but you helped put me off that idea, especially re belt changes. My drill press has belts, and it's amazing how you manage to make do with everything at whatever belt speed it's already on 😂. Laguna 1216 I'm thinking 👍

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I think you will like the Laguna. My jointer and planer saty covered up most of the time with almost no use since I started turning.

[@michaell8835]

Mike Peace Woodturning Just watching your Laguna review video now, looks lovely and ticks all the boxes. Don’t think I need to look any further. I’ll go bench mounted, that’ll be perfect. I think my main enjoyment will still come from the table saw and chop saw, but turning is a skill I’d like to learn in my new found retirement 😛

[@tomt9543]

It’s funny that you mentioned the belts. I’m recently retired, but used to do a lot of steel fabrication. For years I always changed the belts on my drill press to the recommended speed for the bit size I was using. Then one day I just set it to the 3/8” speed, which was a happy medium of the sizes I typically drilled, and stopped changing speeds unless I was drilling 5/8 - 3/4”! It worked swimmingly well, and saved some time also!

[@rexb6478]

Great video with great details. I have the 460 and love it. Have been thinking about getting a larger one. Have you done one on criteria for the larger ones? Again thank you for educating us on woodturning.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Not sure if there would be enough interest in that but will think about it. Maybe if combined with buying a used lathe?

[@carolriley569]

Good info on buying a lathe...I could have used this video about 1 1/2 years ago!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Hope you are happy with the lathe you got. Or are you planning an upgrade?

[@carolriley569]

As soon as I knew I was hooked on turning, I started planning on a new lathe. In March my husband bought me a 2 HP Laguna 1836 and I am so happy with it!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Nice! I turned on one in Feb at an AAW event at the local Rockler store. I liked it. They did not have the Laguna midi then but that might have predisposed me to Laguna when I first saw their midi a couple of months ago at Woodcraft.

[@spwoodart]

Great video! I would have love this info when I first started, but there wasn’t many videos then and KZbin wasn’t very big. Lol

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Back during the days of snail mail. I gathered a lot of info on woodturning forums when I started before YT was big.

[@haroldhaines8730]

Some time give a rundown on the coasts of the lathes, hardware, cutting tools, sharpening grinder, grinding wheels......

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

What? And scare folks off from woodturning!

[@haroldhaines8730]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning No but honest information would be helpful to many beginners.......

[@geraldmoore3686]

I have a 14 - 42 Jet that I have had for 15 plus years. I wanted a larger lathe, but at my age I felt I couldn't justify the investment. I made 2" riser blocks and an intermediate shaft that I mounted in my motor position. I moved my motor down on the frame. I was never happy with low end speed (my lathe has a Reeves drive) so I used step pulleys, I now can get down to 201 RPM's. This worked for me and I now have an 18" lathe with a small investment.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Sounds like you found an effective solution. Hope you get another 15 years from it.!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

This video is getting more thumbs downs than usual. I would appreciate any comments on why if you did not like this video.

[@bd3952]

Mike Peace Woodturning I personally found your content very helpful, and gave you a thumbs up. I do not know if upload/download (?) speed is on KZbin end or my end, but it took over 5 minutes of waiting before the video started and the commercials came up on this video. I always assume this type of issue is either on my end or on KZbins end, and that the content provider should not get “dinged” for this type of issue. If others had upload/download issues they may have thumbs down without even watching the video. Just an fyi and guess... I just bought my first lathe. Laguna Revo 1836, and a Vicmarc 120 chuck. I know I “overbought,” but figure this is a lifetime tool, and I can turn small projects on a big lathe, but can’t turn big projects on small lathe.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@bd3952 Thanks, I suspect it is more content related since everyone has different internet speed issues unrelated to content. If you can afford it, getting equipment for the long haul is great. You get to enjoy the benefits the entire time. Safe turning my friend.

[@diydarkmatter]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning mike if i had to guess i would say it was the comment about cheap lathes . i know you dint mean to knock no ones lathes and i use a cheap harbor freight lathe . but you could tell me im a hack want to be turner and i would not get mad lol . i am i just started turning this year and the lathe was a gift . my tools i ether hagled for in trade or were gifts . turning is expensive as a hobby but in time you get there . dont sweat it brother do you know that a thumbs down is as equal as a thumbs up to the youtube algorithm . it only knows there was a response of emotion from the people watching it dont know good from bad and will in return push your video up in the search engine . were all human just most people have really thin skin now days . i can offend a person at least once a day just by talking to them its sad . the times changed and i dint now im confused on how to communicate with most people . my generation would have ate this new soft dont hurt my feelings generation alive . funny how things change . god bless ya brother

[@frank_texas7400]

People dislikes dog videos so you are good

[@whitelfner4582]

Great video, I wish I had seen it before going out shopping. It might be a slight dislike because people who shop used won't find all these features in lathes from more than 20 years ago. I know I didn't, but was happy to move from my tiny 3/8x24 drive micro lathe from the 50's (fine for pens using a drill chuck and rings $20), to a Craftsman 3/4x16 drive MT1 H&T 1hp lathe from around 1990. It has plenty of power and the MT1 is serviceable for learning/exploring bowls ($50). I actually have my Nova 3000 from searching for a chuck for that lathe, a fine VM100 w/3sets of jaws and the Nova 3000 thrown in without the motor (The DVR was moved to his next Nova lathe or sold, I got it from his dad $110) Perhaps I don't know what a great lathe is, but it might make me a better turner to have learned on less than perfect equipment. Certainly the Craftsman/Duramax lathe taught me the importance of alignment, but once I got it bolted down in good alignment it was fun, I think the Nova3000 will be a big step forward. Not sure if I'll just put on a 1-1.5 AC motor (it came with the motor mount and 8speed pulley), or if I will scrounge around and put on a 1.5hp 3ph and a VFD. Keep up the good work! I like that you do a little 'helping spin' when starting the motor in other videos. Shows some knowledge of how things work and wear out.

[@pa.fishpreacher6166]

You actually responded to another video I watched, Thank you, I am considering the Jet 12 21 vs. Any concerns or issues with this lathe you are aware of ?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I think it is good choice. Especially with the current 15% off sale. That is what my local Woodcraft uses for classes.

[@douglasperry1226]

Thanks glad I ran across this video! Great information Mike!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad it was helpful!

[@shayanderson4935]

I appreciate the good content

[@garymac121]

Thanks for your advice. I'm trying to get myself to the point of starting woodturning and all the extra things needed besides the lathe is a lot. Can you comment on your approach to sharpening for woodturning?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have been thinking about that a while.

[@garymac121]

I'm saving up for a laguna 1216

[@mpart_woodlathe-stuff]

Gary - I replied to exact topic to your question on Gary Kibler's post. Didn't know if copying it here too is appropriate; I'm sure you can find it.

[@timgwaltney5770]

Helpful video…. Thank you

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

So nice of you

[@mrbodawg]

Great video, I'm very pleased with my Laguna 1216.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Me too. My review video will be out next week.

[@milesbrett7002]

My dad bought me a lathe for $20 when I was 12 years old. That included a set of seven lathe chisels. I am now 70 years old and have long since got rid if the lathe and replaced it with a Rockwell Beaver in the 80’s. I still have the chisels and the lathe but am looking to replace it with possibly the Laguna. Since I have retired I have gotten into segmented bowl turning and my old lathe just doesn’t meet my needs even though it has served me well for many years. Just wondering if you have any recommendations on a good quality chuck?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Perhaps this video will help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5e9dH2Pga50nNk I think you will be happy with the Record Power SC4 or Supernova2. You may want to buy a large set of jaws to go with it.

[@jonathanlokey286]

Mike, I am really enjoying your videos. As a relatively new turner, wands, boxes, bowls etc. I am looking to upgrade my lathe. I looking at the Laguna 12/16 and the smallest Powermatic. Any advice?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Powermatic is a better lathe. If you are upgrading from a mini/midi lathe you will see more of a difference with the PM.

[@jjisella]

Nice video thank you

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Welcome 😊

[@tomspallone1868]

Really great and informative video as I try to determine which lathe to jump in with. Trying to avoid my usual temptation of “going cheap and good enough”. Looks like I’m trying to just “cry once”! Thanks. Do you have a video on how to sharpen turning tools?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Go for it! I have a video planned dealing with that One time lathe purchase. Check out this playlist kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3nEmmeflpyIjpI

[@djb9184]

Nice video Mike, thanks. When you were researching the purchase and the Rikon 220VSR, did you also look at the smaller center-to-center capacity Rikon 70-150VSR? It's a 12/16 like your Laguna, with available extensions for both sides, and seems to have the same 1 HP motor as the 220VSR. How important in the left side extension?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Not important if you are ok with bowls less than 12" which is still a good size bowl.

[@lesgallivan4159]

You mentioned horse power , I bought a 1 hp vs lathe and was eagerly anticipating a great increase over my old 1/4 hp . It is better but imagine my surprise when I found out I could stall it with my hand on the spindle, I know other 1 hp motors I have develop much more torque. Are lathes measured differently, or vs motors a lower torque motor, what the heck is up?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Variable speed AC motors do lose torque at lower speeds. That is why most VS lathes still have pulleys. Some VS lathes like the Laguna 1216 use a DC motort that is pulse modulated that maintains torque if we are to be lieve the manufacutruer. I am no motor expert.

[@richardhawkins2647]

Hi Mike, thanks for the advice. You've played with the Record Power Herald, but didn't consider it on your list of 4. Here's my conundrum. I really liked the look of the Herald until I saw the build quality of the Laguna. I specifically want a small lathe with outboard turning for bowls. The Herald would slot straight into my workshop where my current lathe is. But the Laguna effectively needs access from front, back and end for bowl turning. So, I would need some pretty major reorganising to make it work. Having played with both, would you say the Herald is a good build quality? Has it stood the test of time in your club? (I appreciate with the lockdown it probably hasn't actually been used as much). Looking at the Laguna it looks like a small industrial lathe, whereas by comparison, the Herald doesn't. Would you suggest get the laguna and refit the workshop, of it doesn't really matter which, they're both good? I have seen someone do a spindle runout test on the Laguna and it was less than 1 thou out. Someone else did a spindle runout test on the Herald but using a brand new live centre, and it was 4 thou out. I don't know whether that is still counted as good, or whether the live centre caused some error. Certainly, the Laguna looks to be made to a higher standard both in terms of precision and robustness. But I haven't touched either.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I am not sure the Record Power lathe is even available in the US so I did not consider it in my picking a lathe video.. We have had no problems with it but it has had only limited use. The only real complaint is it does not have a self extracting tailstock. If you plan to do bowls larger than 12" regularly, I would want a larger lathe instead of doing them on a midi lathe. If you have never turned a bowl larger then 12" try doing a couple and get it out of your system on someone elses lathe and you may find the Laguna without the outboard setup might suit you just fine.

[@richardhawkins2647]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning Thanks Mike, that's really helpful.

[@huguettemoisan4119]

best of the best infos.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Glad you think so!

[@pastoruke4322]

Great advice Mike! I have the Jet 1221 and really like it. One factor I had to consider was shop space. I'm a furniture/cabinetmaker also doing restoration. My shop is fairly small, plus the midi fits my turning needs.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Space was a major factor on my recent Laguna purchase. Video next week.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Space is a big factor to consider for sure. The local WC uses Jet 1221s for their workshops.

[@pastoruke4322]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning When I bought my Jet, I researched the Delta and the Jet (about 3 years ago). I had not seen the Laguna. Even though I'm a former "shop" teacher and always had a lot of Delta machines in my school shop and have a few Delta machines in my home shop, I felt the Jet was a superior lathe. Although, from your recent videos, I like the Laguna very much and wish I would have done a bit more research on midi lathes. I don't regret purchasing the Jet as it is great, but I realize I didn't research the lathes enough!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@pastoruke4322 I think buying the Jet 1221 3 years ago was probably a good safe choice. The Laguna midi has only been out less than a year and I believe the Rikon 70-220 is fairly new also. It is tough to invest big bucks in a hobby that you are just starting and may lose interest in. Few folks start with a Robust, Oneway or Powermatic as a first lathe.

[@Earth-bornGraffics]

I started turning a year ago and acquired a used delta midi, no variable speed. I quickly outgrew it because the constant speed changing drives me nuts. The problem is that most midis I’ve looked at still require belt changes to go from cutting to sanding which, in my opinion, negates the reason for the variable speed feature. The one that seemed to have the best speed bundling was the Jet. Not sure I’ve looked at a Laguna yet, though. What speed range do you recommend for cutting spindle stock and for sanding? Since I can’t afford a new lathe right now, I’m going to get a variable speed kit from Penn State. I’m not fond of the speed bundles, but I did used to cut at 2800 and sand at 1250, which is what their middle belt is, and it worked ok. I melt sandpaper quicker on that speed, though. I recently switched to cutting at 3700 and sanding at 800, but I won’t get anything like that on one belt until I upgrade to a new lathe. Also, what brand of chuck do you recommend for midis? I have the SuperNova2, I think, and I’m not fond of them. There seems to be wiggle room in the pin jaws I usually use, which knocks my piece of out round when I take the tail stock off. The tail stock, itself, also has wiggle room and I have to be careful of how I set it into the piece or it won’t match up again if I move it out of the way briefly.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I sand around 500 on spindles and 200 on bowls. For spindles of less than 3" I tend to cut at about 1800. Small spindles of less than 1" perhaps 2500. Watch my video on sanding with lubricant for tips about sanding cooler. Try centering the live center before tightening your chuck. Otherwise chucking can leave your center mark slightly off center. I am happy with SN2 but prefer the RP SC4. Sounds like your issue is more with the lightweight pin jaws that only use 1 screw per jaw. Depending how small your blanks are, you might look at the RP 35mm jaws. They are my go jaws for smaller work than my standard jaws. See me video on Jaws 101.

[@codygillespie8893]

Video is great but why chose the laguna revo 1216 over the jet 1221vs I’m asking because I’m stuck with liking both of those but don’t want to buy either one without fully thinking it threw lol I like the jet because of the little larger bed I also like the warranty I like the Laguna because of the outboard even though I’d probably never use it I also like how it looks and feels but wished the bed was 20in between centers even tho I only turn pens and small bowls and little stuff so 16 would probably be ok I don’t own my own lathe yet I turn on a friend’s hf lathe mostly

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Jet sells a lot of 1221s and I like their warranty better also. Not sure why Laguna went with less then everyone else but feel like any major problems will likely appear in the first couple of years. See my Laguna 1216 review video. If you turn a lot, it is likely you will add a bed extension for longer projects. You would need it to turn outboard. They are coming out with a 20". I guess they got feedback that their 10" was not big enough.

[@robw95]

Great video! Liked and subscribed!

[@pa.fishpreacher6166]

One other question, where do you source your hard wood for turning?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Woodturning club raffles, my yard, a neighbor's yard when a chain saw is going.

[@RickTurnsWoodturning]

Good video, Mike!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks, Rick!

[@vincesparacia28]

GOOD INFO!!

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Thanks!

[@jimstricker9084]

I love the timing of this I'm about to buy a grizzly g0766 it is about $500 cheaper than the laguana and 3 horsepower vs 2 horsepower but you did not mention grizzly? Is it worth buying the smaller more expensive lathes are are they comparable? I meant to say Grizzly versus Lagana

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I did not mention Grizzly since I was focusing on Midi lathes. Their midii lathes tend to have smaller motors with too high a low speed. Their lathes used to be crap but I understand they have gotten better with both the 733 and 766 getting excellent reviews on the forums. I have never turned on a Grizzly. Unless you have a need for the extra capacity in swing and BC distance, I would not get hung up on bigger is better. I turned on a Laguna 1836 and it felt like a good lathe. Is it better than the 766? I can't say. MY PM has a 2 HP motor. Unless you do a lot of bowl coring, not sure if a 3 hp is any better for you. Hope this helps.

[@jimstricker9084]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning sounds like the Luguana might be a better choice?no turning clubs close to me or I would ask them

[@LewisKauffman]

Thanks Mike!! Wish I knew some of this before I bought my first lathe.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Being in a club probably helped me with my purchases.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Few turners stop with their first lathe!

[@ToolMetrix]

Great video, Mike.

[@Blah-blah-sure]

I’m watching the video now. But as someone who’s interested in Lathes my interest is in making legs in size for tables down to bedside tables. What lathe might you suggest? My interest was sparked when I stopped by Harbor Freight. But I know their items run bottom of the barrel

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

You might also watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/f33Lc6CVobRoe7M I would join a club. You will get more bang for the buck with a larger used lathe. But you could also use a midi with a bed extension.

[@darrellklein733]

Mike what do you think of the Nova Orion 18/44 ? I like the swivel head as left handed may be better choice

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have no knowledge or experience with any of the Nova lathes. Sorry.

[@stephanie09.11]

I am trying to figure out what lathe to purchase as a beginner. Want to turn smaller things, like pens, small bowls, ornaments, etc., but not be too limited in case I find I want to do something bigger. There are so many choices. Overwhelming to say the least.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

You will likely be happy with the 4 main ones I mention. Most offer sales at certain times like Presidents Day. Join a club and ask around, get the inside scoop on a used machine or see how folks like their midi.

[@johnjohnsonjr5324]

Every time I am thing about doing something you have a video. Do you know everything about Grizzly lathes?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Never turned on one but read a lot of forum posts on them.

[@jayshockey5461]

Great stuff Mike! I am thinking of a new hobby and have always been fascinated with wood turning! Can I ever contact you with questions?

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Sure. You may want to Check out my playlist on Basic Woodturning for Beginners. kzbin.info/aero/PLG3S-gdoXeXX3faIUNQC8OJiJ5h0Tx0tN

[@roninkhan8297]

I'm looking at a 1981 rockwell delta 46-450 vs the 3 you have links to.Any thoughts would be helpful.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Buy the best you can afford. Modern electronic variable are better tan just belt changes or a reeves drive. You want a low speed of no more than 500.

[@roninkhan8297]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning Thank you sir.

[@mitchellmanning7887]

Thanks for sharing,,👍

[@davidjackson8787]

I have two lathes now. Both have the same issue with the tail stock quill which I find interesting. The Rikon VSR 220 and a fox 1447 each one after using it to drill even though I am not applying much pressure to turn in the drill start having issues retracting the quill. I’ve already replaced the 220 quill twice for the same issue. I’m not a young man and I don’t have a lot of strength so to me I should note able to cause a piece of steel to expand or whatever is happening to the quill. I can’t see anything wrong with them but neither of them will slide easily back into the tail stock without a lot of stress on my wrists. I wonder how big a lathe I need to buy to get away from that issue.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Maybe this video will help you understand and resolve your issue kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpempod4aJeFh5o

[@davidjackson8787]

@@MikePeaceWoodturning Thanks Mike I have already watched the video you mentioned and that did help on my mini. The Rikon is another story altogether and it isn’t a good one. Once the problem starts with the Rikon you can’t install the quill anymore. The new one (warranty replacement) slides in easy a silk and that one didn’t last the first 10 minutes I had it. I installed a 25mm bit and drilled into wet wood slowly and drilled in about 3 inches. No smoke, no steam no issues until I went to return the quill and I found it was very hard to turn the handle. They replaced that one as well. I cannot see any difference in them but trying to install them shows you immediately which ones are defective. They will not slide into the tail stock without an extreme amount of pressure. I no longer use the lathe to drill and I keep the pressure down when using it to turn anything. I feel I wasted a grand between the lathe and legs so if asked pass this experience on. Take care and keep turning.

[@Shawwoodturning]

mike since you brought laguna lathe what do you think about it before i get one

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I still like it but it is not getting a lot of use.

[@lmallard3788]

Maybe you have guidance on a chuck for laguna 1216??

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Record Power SC4 or the similar Nova SN2. Nova is usually on sale but the RP is better. Both excellent chucks. I have a video review on the SC4 and have a video on buying a chuck.

[@TheRealKirkHammett]

Please tell me where you got your light on the lathe.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have a magnet mounted led that sits on the headstock

[@jeffoldham3466]

mike i started out with a rikon 70-100 mini lathe and jumped to the jet 1642,,now im looking to sell the rikon and get a new mini lathe,,i guess the reverse feature on the jet spoiled me,,,what do you think a good mini lathe with reverse on it would be

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Seems like most of them have reverse now. Have you considered a midsize 14" like Laguna or Powermatic or Coronet Herald from RP? Rikon 12" gets good reviews as does the Laguna 1216 like I have and did a review on.

[@adamp3663]

What are your thoughts on the grizzly g0766. I know it’s Chinese made but I have a grizzly table saw that I really like. The table saw isn’t perfect but pretty close and much cheaper than a better name brand. I’m not looking for perfection. I just want solid performance and reliability.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I have never seen one much less turned on one. Check out the YT reviews.